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2:00 PM
@BartDeVos Also it's inappropriate of you to assume I didn't check the backlog before acting (hint: I did)
 
What ever happend to 'Ignore and move on" :) SOMEONE POST SOME FUZZY KITTENS!
 
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Sometimes you have to stop the chaos in order to fix the problem.
 
I'd rather that people who actually frequent the room or are affiliated with SF take action, not random freaking people from from other SE sites
 
Chat works like this, get over it
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2:01 PM
@Holocryptic Indeed. There is no way @badp knew what is going on
 
@badp Uh, the room wasn't degenerating fast.
 
I need a 'cute kitten + meme' button
 
@badp There is no way you read all the transcripts from up until 5h ago that fast.
 
@Holocryptic I'm happy to take responsibility for what I did - complain if you want to or try and convince me I was wrong
 
At any rate, some of you threw up a flag for moderator action and moderator action was taken. I certainly don't want to get involved into whatever argument you've been having for 5 hours
 
2:02 PM
Except we haven't been having an argument for 5 hours
 
@Holocryptic Either way, a chat flag goes up, can't depend only on that site's mods. We were already complaining that some of our mods were inactive and if Chopper is no here, someone's gotta sort through the crap. That's also why we all need to calm the eff down. Let the past be the past and move on.
 
This is my only issue with chat. With the greatest respect, mods on other sites don't know what is "normal" in sf.chat.
 
Frankly, this is getting worked out on our Meta, so this extra mod action and attention is unwarranted and unneeded
 
@Holocryptic I just took what Bart said in my reply to Bart.
 
Where there's a corpse, the vultures will gather.
 
2:04 PM
 
@tombull89 And people don't know what is "normal" in the gaming chat and yet people get suspended all the time.
 
NOW EVERYONE FEEL FUZZY =D
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dammit I'm gonna have to re-write that meta question.
 
The idea is that chat is an instant medium requiring fast and quick moderation. If it's offensive, it's offensive now, not five hours in the future.
 
@badp I don't know what you're talking about. What reply
 
2:05 PM
@Holocryptic The one you're replying to
 
Now I'll take the first step in ensuring things don't escalate. Later
 
Oh my gawd
 
Indeed...
 
I feel like I've been date raped. Maybe it's the percocet talking
 
2:06 PM
Everybody is acting so tense lately. Must be Christmas coming up. All the stress with the shopping and the trees.
 
I hate it when some random 10k user comes in and starts doing crap
 
@syneticondj I tend to agree
@BartDeVos I agree there too, but read my reply to @Holocryptic. I agree with @Badp, it gets flagged, it needs to be handled now, as chat is a live medium. Moreso than the site. That's just design and we just have to deal with it.
 
@BartDeVos Pssst, I'm not a 10k user, I'm a moderator on chat
 
lulz, hit and run xD
 
indeed
 
2:10 PM
@Shads0 Respectfully, wrong. The rooms need more "owners" with the ability to ban and or moderate the room. Outside of that, it should be policed by people affiliated with the main site
Wow. Classy.
 
@Holocryptic Also a valid point. To m.SO?!?
 
@tombull89 whoever flagged the post might though
 
Right. I don't have time for this crap.
@Shads0 already been done
let me get the link
 
Whatever, I don't care. Sure, mod all you want. But freezing the room.. I don't know
some valid point where being made
(except for the jew-argument I guess)
 
Then there is nothing more to do, but to enjoy the warm fuzzies of KITTENS!
 
2:11 PM
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Q: Regarding Stack Exchange-wide chat moderation

Thomas WardThere seems to be a lack of policies from what I can tell regarding how moderators moderate the chat system. I was recently flagged (and subsequently suspended) for certain language, which another chat moderator reversed. The meta regarding this is here: AutoSuspension from Chat for "Inappr...

 
While I'm sure Badp is acting in good faith as best they can, this does seem to remind me of this m.SO discussion
 
@Shads0 are you in any way fixated on kittens' fuzzies?
 
@RobMoir He started to, and then he ....
whatever
 
@RobMoir Sure he is, no question about it. But indeed.. the M.SO question
 
@syneticondj Trying to calm the mood <3
 
2:12 PM
I'm done with this
 
(the one holocryptic posted)
 
I'm confused scrolling up, can someone fill me in on what has been going on?
 
@Holocryptic I know. I don't even know what's going on anymore. Everything about this chat room appears to have turned to... uh... something bad.
 
a clusterfuck, to put it in the right words.. I've been gone all day and suddenly all hell breaks loose
 
@pauska that's what you get for ever leaving SF
 
2:14 PM
Frankly I'm ceasing to care about what's going on any more. I love talking to you guys about stuff, both work related and not, and I love SF but frankly I'm fed up with un-needed drama.
 
@KyleBrandt An argument broke out between someone and a mod, a post was posted on meta about modding the chat better. Another argument broke out between aforementioned user and another user. Things got flagged.
 
@KyleBrandt @syneticondj complains about @chopper3? @CHopper3 doesn't like it (I can understand). Then there is a discussion about the need for more moderations
 
@Shads0: What ... in .. the
 
flags being thrown
 
@KyleBrandt: Just focus on the important bit.. contact Phil and get him to come back
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2:14 PM
@KyleBrandt Pretty much
 
other mods come in
freeze the room
That's about it
 
a special user in here picked the wrong guy to argue with today
 
I love teh snowman notifications =D
 
Okay' dokey
 
Chopper has gotten way too much shit lately, he must think the site hates him
 
2:15 PM
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
 
I don't think Phil is going to leave the site as far as I know, he just doesn't want to be a mod -- which I understand
 
I did not complain about chopper. Please note the wording how I specifically noted that I am not the one to complain. It might have slipped everybody's attention how I explicitly stated not to complain.
 
we love @chopper3 !!
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pfo
+1
 
@KyleBrandt someone flagged post 2721797 - I ok'd the flag
 
2:16 PM
someone read something out of context and banned our regular users
is what happened
cross-site mod on chat is the worst idea ever
 
What @pauska said
 
Yeah, every chat is a different community, how can someone with a diamond somewhere else that hasn't even shown his face in this room once freeze the whole room? That's just stupid.
 
let us handle this room on our own. It's ok to argue/discuss.
 
@syneticondj - I've avoided commenting on this before but... I'm sure you made what you felt was a valid point but with respect, you pushed it too far when it was clearly not the right time to do so. I'd suggest that knowing when to stop is a valuable skill for all of us to learn at times.
 
@RobMoir And sadly, not something easy to sense when chatting on the internet. Who here hasnt gotten into a huge argument on IRC/MSN/whatever before?
 
2:18 PM
This is true @pauska
 
@KyleBrandt and I'm pretty sure it was the right thing to do even though I don't think for one moment the user was intentionally offensive - he just chose the wrong words in the heat of the moment IMO
 
Which is probably our dear to be lost moderator flaw.. he can come on strong to others, but we all know that he's just sarcastic. Sarcasm sadly doesn't work on the internet.
 
@pauska THe problem is that sarcasm doesn't translate into text. We all need little reaction pictures instead of gravatars!
 
@syneticondj chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2720859#2720859 was pretty full on if you ask me.
 
@JackDouglas Have you ever been in this room before for more than 60 seconds?
 
2:20 PM
@MarkM I've met you before :-)
 
1) I don't think Chopper is leaving the site as far as I know, he just doesn't want to me a mod anymore which I understand. Its like being a policeman , you have to see the stupid side of people all day long, and they don't get smack people even though they probably really want to.
2) I will make sure we look into the possibility of another moderator election with the community team
3) Give me a little bit of time to figure out the chat issue
4) Lets solve this short term clusterfuck like windows admins for the time being and just fucking reboot
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He asked for an opinion. And an online community is surely not the right place to come to when you're thin-skinned - everybody knows that. It is not like I was insulting or pushing.
 
@KyleBrandt BSOD
 
We're all strong willed and argue all the time. Approving flags in rooms where you don't know the community should only be done when it's an extreme case as far as I'm concerned.
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Someone needs to teach me how to make a new line in the same chat message.
 
2:21 PM
@MarkM it did get kinda extreme, though, I missed some of the deleted items. It got pretty...bad
 
@pauska shift enter
 
@KyleBrandt Be careful with the F bomb. Someone might flag you and someone that's never been in chat might suspend you.
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and guys - on top of this - power went out here today and one of our UPS'es blew up. This is the greatest day ever...
 
@MarkM Not enough stars to give
 
@KyleBrandt So who's going to rebuild the box when we can't get a printer to install?
 
2:22 PM
@MarkM: They can't I haz teh iptablez
 
@pauska First a layer of concrete, now no power? You're having an excellent month!
 
@MarkM I wish that quote could stay on the top of the star list forever
@Shads0 Trust me on this - I'm deeply considering renting colo space....
 
@MarkM ok, but that is your opinion, not the system. I'm doing what I think I'm supposed to be doing as a mod - change the system by all means.
 
pfo
@pauska that's what a DR site is really for :)
 
@KyleBrandt You know what you might want to really look into: Why only half of my chat snowman renders on IE9
 
2:23 PM
@JackDouglas It's not just his opinion, you can trust me on that - but we understand that you're doing what you're assigned to do
 
@pauska good stuff - and yes I know he's not alone
 
@pfo Yeah, we were halfway in the DR implementation when things went to hell.. oops, I sweared - when things went bazonkas here
 
@pauska Indeed. The system needs to change. This is getting redonkulous.
 
I refer you to this question on meta @jackdouglas

http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/112691/regarding-stack-exchange-wide-chat-moderation

I've moderated forums and chats before. I appreciate its a hard thankless task that gets you nothing but complaints, but the way the system here encourages actioning flags for rooms one is not a regular in and therefore doesn't understand the culture of is not helping.
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@MarkM It's simple, you're using IE9
 
2:25 PM
To be honest, if this ends in us all talking like Flanders then I'm out..
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pfo
@KyleBrandt you should also really try calming phil and getting him to keep his diamond - he is the right guy for a diamond 99,9% of the time.
 
If the chats are supposed to have a standard, it should be enforced consistently.
 
@pfo Indeed.. he's like the one mod we didn't want to loose (no offense Kyle, but you're a employee)
 
@pauska I can't go 10 minutes without throwing some goddamned bad language
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And why the fuck is it that whenever I want parts, its the time that Newegg doesn't have them on sale?!
 
This room needs some new cute. I think I know the right guy.
 
2:27 PM
I'm more of a cat person
 
@tombull89 MOAR
 
@tombull89 NO
Kittens ONLY
 
I like his ears
 
Actually
in the spirit of the season
ya know what
 
2:27 PM
 
I'll compromise!
 
A lot better :)
Now, let's get back to @pauska
 
@pauska: This is has come up a couple times now, when it comes down to it modding makes Chopper unhappy. He is a great member of the community even not as a mod, and being a mod seems to burn him out
 
@pauska That is, without question, one of the most adorable things I think I have ever seen.
 
@RobMoir I'm not disagreeing, and I've read your post which IMO is very sensible if it is workable. OTOH in this case it seems to me an example of the system working - and it's nothing to do with bad language. If I'd made that post I'd be glad if someone deleted it and kicked me out before I said something worse.
 
pfo
2:29 PM
maybe he should keep his diamond and delegate more ...
 
That, my friend, is cuter than a bucket full of kittens.
 
 
@KyleBrandt I understand - and I agree. Just make him promise that he won't leave us here (especially in the chat) :)
 
^ iPhone pillow
 
@MarkM If I was more for posting my face around the internet, I'd post my wake up call every moring, a la, my cat thinking my face is a pillow.
 
2:30 PM
@JackDouglas That comment makes it crystal clear that you don't understand the dynamic of the people here.
 
@MarkM: Looking at the legs it appears that cat is not wearing pants. This is your first warning
 
@ScottPack No, this is.
 
@pfo how to delegate exception handling?
 
And btw - this one should have come on a few hours ago..
 
This had best not be a sock, @pauska
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2:31 PM
@KyleBrandt I'd take you more seriously if my entire notification snowman rendered...
 
Ok good
 
@MarkM: I'd take you seriously if you were using Chrome of Firefox ;-) rimshot
 
@KyleBrandt Amen
 
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Q: Sync iCloud bookmarks with Firefox in Windows 7

MarkMI have four devices that I want to sync my bookmarks across: a Mac Mini, a Macbook Air, an iPad2, and a Windows 7 PC. I use Safari on the three Apple products and Firefox 8 on the Windows 7 PC. I use iCloud to sync my bookmarks with the three Apple devices, but this obviously leaves my Windows P...

:(
 
2:32 PM
@MarkM Opera!
it syncs
(its trooo)
 
@MarkM I'm sure I don't. This is a public forum though - sometimes what outsiders think is important to consider too. I think you should accept that there has to be a line drawn somewhere.
 
@pauska For iPad?
the iPad is my main concern
 
Yes - everywhere afaik
 
I want to bring it into my circle of love
^ THAT WAS REFERRING TO AN IPAD, DONT BAN ME
 
@MarkM: If you post a SS on Meta it might get fixed :-P
 
2:32 PM
One of my ESX servers are being funny after the power outage
I can ping it 1 time after I restart the management agent
after that it just falls out of the network
 
@MarkM Circle jerk?
 
the vm's can communicate fine, but the management network just disappears
 
@pauska Physical damage to the NIC?
 
what the.. feck
but my vm's are working on the same nic
(this is just dual-homed to a stacked 3750, nothing fancy)
 
@pauska My reply came thrue a bit late, sorry :)
 
2:34 PM
Well that was a scary, and totally unnecessary 30 minutes
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@JackDouglas I disagree with that line being drawn to preemptively "Keep someone from saying something worse"
There's moderation and there's being the thought police
 
I got suspended for being jewish.
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@TomOConnor Good to have you back. Now scroll up and melt inside of the cute pictures. We're done debating for now
 
@TomOConnor I refer you to the fuzzies
 
I'm less bothered about where the line should be (though I do have opinions obviously) and about the fact that its not drawn consistently. Maybe if it was consistent then we would have a lot less problems right now.
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2:35 PM
@MarkM that's a matter of perspective and while I'm not saying your judgement doesn't matter or even that you are wrong, it's our job to make that call.
 
Like a chat room with absolutely no swearing and no nsfw pictures?.. It makes me think of the fun of implementing ITIL...
 
Right. I'm headed into a meeting. Don't fuck things up while I'm gone.
 
@pauska maybe we should have rating for rooms? All, PG, NSFW, NSFL?
 
How about a rating of "why bloody bother"
 
@RobMoir Tsk tsk. Language, dear. That's ban worthy, apparently.
 
2:38 PM
@tombull89 I'd rather the seperate room (Maybe name it "The Water Cooler" :)) than trying to censor things
 
I understand that some might take offence to swearing (like certain religious beliefs) but honestly - if you can't see past that then it's time to leave the internet.. or stop using the chat room.
It's not like we're totally ignorant here.. I've never linked directly to a NSFW picture
 
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU my case isn't on sale anymore /sob
 
@JackDouglas I'm a 10k user on two sites. (Well, 1.5 sites. One of those is SU). I see chat moderation flags as well. There's no way in hell I would have approved the flag that @TomOConnor was suspended for if I had never been in that room before. (or at all, for that matter but that's not my point at this time)
@pauska AFAIK, no one has
Although, NSFW varies from place to place
 
I think we're all forgetting the point
 
I'm talking nudity, gore, etc.
 
2:40 PM
We're arguing on the internet xD
 
@MarkM Chopper did link off to that field of kittens ready for defurring....
 
@ScottPack That was on meta, not chat though.
 
@MarkM The bucket was in chat.
 
I suppose I missed that
But for the amount of dumb pictures that we post, one out of all of them is a pretty damn good ratio
 
What was he suspended for?
 
2:42 PM
@MarkM Where's that I M A G E C E P T I O N pic you have?
 
I don't want to one-box it or else I'll get banned for linking to a mod's post.
 
I think we found our new chat meme
 
Oh please say it is cat pictures, I LOVE KITTIES
 
@KyleBrandt I believe it's deleted
 
@KyleBrandt Something about jews
 
2:43 PM
@MarkM sure I understand your POV.
 
along the lines of (Oh, now I'm the jew)...
 
Eh, don't go there -- no way that is going end well
 
He's jewish and was commenting on himself, afaik
 
@KyleBrandt YAY!
 
Someone said something about Nazis before... It all gets dark pretty quickly
 
2:45 PM
More cat picture therapy please
 
Who the hell just flagged something that @ChrisS posted in VTC?
 
@Shads0 That cat fucking hates you.
 
Everyone's going to be a dick head with the flag button in chat now. I hope you're all happy.
 
VTC?
 
2:46 PM
Luckily, he's my mother's, not mine
 
Vote To Close
Someone flagged him oneboxing a question there that should be closed
 
uhm..
 
its a cat. it hates everything thats not going to feed it... in which case it merely tolerates your presence, even if you're unworthy
 
@MarkM Great, now we need a 'this flag was abusive' response?
 
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Q: Installed over 4G RAM on 32-bit OS?

kaiI know that for 32-bit OS, the addressable memory space for each process is "4G" (maybe just 3G in user space...). If I have a 8G RAM, is it correct that all of the processes can still utilize (shared) these 8G memory but each of them are limited to a maximum 4G? Or the whole system only can see ...

 
2:48 PM
@JourneymanGeek: Exactly, don't you just love them
 
^ That was flagged as offensive. Just the onebox.
 
@MikeyB Flagception
 
I can only offer cats
 
2:48 PM
@markm he is the only active user - can you flag anonymously?
 
i lost track of how many times that was asked on SU
 
@syneticondj do people become active if they flag?
 
I have no idea - I tend not to flag
 
The B&W one is mine
 
I wish chopper was here, he'd tell you all about how he'd love to kill your cat
 
2:50 PM
@pauska That would be the first time I'd ever flag a chat message ;)
 
@syneticondj Yes
Anyone can
Even if they're not logged into chat
Any random 10k users across ALL chats get to vote on it
 
chopper is gone from the mod list :( oh well, I hope he comes back to chit chat
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pfo
@KyleBrandt did you get anything from phil yet?
 
Which is why we got so pissed at TomO's ban in the first place
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Q: My snowman doesn't have a head

MarkMChat notifications are snowmen now. Well, most are, I should say. In x86 IE9 on Windows 7 x64, mine is headless. Can someone please fix this egregious error? It's gruesome to look at a headless corpse of a snowman every time I get pinged in chat.

 
@pauska He couldn't: my cat would intercept and transparently proxy his internet packets, thus thwarting his frantic google searches for 'how to kill cats'
 
2:52 PM
I read "My snowman doesn't get head"
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@pfo: He was removed at his request
 
I think it's time to go home
 
@pauska Or get some
 
@MarkM Stating the obvious here... But what did you expect.. IE9...
 
2:52 PM
@MarkM Watch out for pumpkins, I hear the Headless Snowman likes 'em.
 
@KyleBrandt What a dark day for SF.
 
@markm the paintbrushed head is great
 
What's going on? Chopper is stepping down?
 
He already has
 
@BartSilverstrim Did.
 
2:53 PM
@BartSilverstrim Everything's fucked. Read Iain's post on Meta and then read the last hour or two
 
Oh stop being drama queens
 
Holy @#%
 
I updated the title
 
...kyle's fault?
 
Wow. The amount of crap on SF is going to go up.
 
2:53 PM
IT'S KYLE'S FAULT
 
Yep, blame Kyle. It's easier that way.
 
@BartSilverstrim YES, THE STEALER OF OUR CHAT LINK1
 
He told Chopper that he's fat and ugly.. or something like that
 
@kyle being drama queens is what chat is about, or so I always thought
 
@KyleBrandt In case you didn't notice on meta, Phil, sysadmin, and Mark H are the only three mods that we're thoroughly happy with
 
2:54 PM
Fine. Fine. YOU WANT THE TRUTH WE BROKE UP OKAY. HE SAID I DIDN'T MAKE HIM FEEL PRETTY
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hahah
 
Oh dear. Really it is a shame...Chopper's been a consistent help on the site.
He's donated a lot of time.
 
@MarkM His name is Phil you say....
 
Kyle's making him promise not to leave the site/chat
 
@Shads0 Where the hell have you been?
 
2:55 PM
For a couple days it was Paddington.
:-/
 
@MarkM I'M NEW REMEMBER /cry /flag
 
@@Chopper3 - COME BACK!
 
@BartSilverstrim: Yup, nobody disagrees there. It makes him unhappy though and that is what is important IMO
 
(Does two @s work for non-mods?)
 
afaik they have to have visited the chat room once.. or something like that
 
2:56 PM
@kylebrandt: you're right, if this is really what he wants. In the short term the site will suffer for it though. The mods are pretty overworked.
 
@BartSilverstrim Or are they?
I'm starting to doubt my own question on meta regarding that..
 
@Pauska: well, not if they go batshit insane. Then I doubt it's a huge burden anymore.
 
I'm thinking that Chopper just spent way more time on the site/modding than any other of our mods
@KyleBrandt: Could you perhaps write an answer to my meta question so that I can close it? The stuff you said earlier about community vote
Since chopper left the staff etc
 
Well, I think all of us are going to run in the next election (or should). If we don't participate in the process then we can't bitch when we get modhammered and don't like it
 
@MarkM all?
 
2:59 PM
SHADS0 FOR KING MOD!
 
That's not entirely correct @MarkM - some can't have a browser up all day at work
 
@tombull89 EVERY ONE OF US
 
SX is trying to put in more considerations for mods as I recall.
Participation on meta and such.
 
I'm being moved into open landscape.. I wonder how it will effect my participation here
 
@markm should the ones with dysfunctional browsers get a vote too?
 
2:59 PM
:(
I'm headed to a meetingf
 
@syneticondj No!
 

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