The Comms Room

Holocryptic

4:00 PM

Was it ever gone?

Shads0

@Holocryptic it was broken all weekend

voretaq7

@Iain yay - maybe I can get the "USed up all your damn votes" badge

Iain

@Shads0 praise $deity for small mercies

Shads0

You call it mercy, I call it fun

tombull89

turn off then on goddam it HP.

Shads0

4:05 PM

lolwut?

voretaq7

@tombull89 well

they probably got a phone call from someone who turned it off, but never back on.

And they can't use "restart" because someone restarted their presentation from the beginning but the screen was still blank

and... well... lowest common denominator is zero!

Holocryptic

xkcd.com/980/huge/#x=-6624&y=-3984&z=2 According to this I'm in upper middle income. If that's true, why do I feel so poor? Relativity?

tombull89

(This was photo from a display of a HP6040 Printer)

and this is a picture of the (rather crispy) paper I pulled out of the fuser unit earlier.

voretaq7

@Holocryptic cost of living

Depending on where you live 6 figures doesn't buy you much

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 Well, I don't make 6 figures either

Bart Silverstrim

4:16 PM

I don't make anywhere near six figures. :-(

voretaq7

neither do I, but I know some guys in NYC who do, and they're no better off than I am because of their cost of living

MarkM

The Philly 'burbs aren't the best bang for your buck either.

Then again, neither is living in philly.

voretaq7

But if you make 100k plus you're doing substantially better for each dollar over the line, what with our COMPLETELY FUCKED tax structure

/me grumbles something about unsociable insecurity and "wouldn't it be better if the old folks could actually afford to buy some of the shit these companies are selling", then crawls back under his rock

Also, @tombull89: "Fire pretty, spreadsheet bad."

MarkM

You know what sucks? Realizing that you don't type correctly after 26 years and trying to retrain your hands.

Holocryptic

I say we raze it all to the ground and start over.

@MarkM Are you a poke typer?

MarkM

4:29 PM

@Holocryptic Not really

I do home row correctly with my left hand and do a bastardized 3-finger weird thing with my right hand. The worst part is, I never even noticed.

voretaq7

while true; do
sleep 300
randomize_keymap
done

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 You better focus on questions.

voretaq7

@ScottPack I have been, but I have high standards for upvotes and downvotes

I am standing on a principled refusal to simply spam votes for a bronze badge.
Now if it were silver....

MarkM

@voretaq7 If you're going for reviewer, you're a dick if you don't spend all of your votes at least once.

There's just so much on /review.

Just go to first questions, filter for month, and read through. Upvote the people that read the faq, downvote the ones that didn't. Boom.

Bart Silverstrim

What are you guys talking about?

Iain

4:36 PM

and while your at it edit any to remove TIA etc and fix the formatting

Bart Silverstrim

Just using you vote quota for a day?

voretaq7

@MarkM higher standards man - this isn't StackOverflow :-)

I upvote the interesting questions and the good answers same as I would if I weren't using /review

@Iain that's how 'ah gots me mah' editin' badge!

MarkM

@voretaq7 I thought that votes on questions weren't supposed to be about whether or not you find a questions extraordinarily interesting, but whether or not they're on-topic, well formed, properly researched, useful to the community, and clearly asked.

Scott Pack

@Iain I can't tell you how many posts I've come across where someone has already edited it, but left in spelling mistakes, salutations, etc.

MarkM

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A: Why should I upvote a question?

The mouseover explains question up arrow mouseover This question is useful and clear question down arrow mouseover This question is unclear or not useful

Iain

4:40 PM

@ScottPack You'll probably find me in that list too

Scott Pack

@Iain I wasn't going to mention anyone by name. ಠ_ಠ

voretaq7

@MarkM I consider useful == interesting

Bart Silverstrim

Stop redefining the language to mean what you want. We get enough of that from users.

MarkM

@Iain that WSUS post you just edited was already correct :) We spell it "behavior" on this side of the pond.

voretaq7

(as opposed to "Hey you guyses! How do I configure an IP on my Ubuntu box")

Iain

4:42 PM

@MarkM my British dictionary says otherwise :)

voretaq7

@MarkM dude don't start a war with the brits, just ship them all your unused Us

MarkM

@voretaq7 I was just pointing out that if the only thing you're changing in an edit is adding a 'u' to behavior, it's probably not a necessary edit

Bart Silverstrim

New feature for SF: auto spelling fixer for US vs. British IP's.

They think they're so great because they invented the language or something.

Scott Pack

That reminds me, I need to go get Ben's autoedit scripts.

MarkM

@ScottPack Goddamn cheaters.

Bart Silverstrim

4:45 PM

Then the British get all snobby about how Americans have no history compared to them. That's like getting snobby because you maintain a Cobol application on a mainframe.

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Scott Pack

@MarkM This isn't Counterstrike, or whatever.

Iain

@MarkM if you use safari then this is the best editing tool there is for sx stackapps.com/questions/2209/se-editor-toolkit

Bart Silverstrim

At least make fun of us for a valid reason, like our profound interest in letting religion pervade political issues. Not because we have little history as a country compared to yours...the native Americans are still quite touchy about that, seeing as they did have nations over here before we were officially even a colony.

Iain

@BartSilverstrim of course you do, you have all our history too

Shads0

@BartSilverstrim See, we lose any argument because the British have tophats

Which everyone knows is the only kind of hat that matters

Bart Silverstrim

4:48 PM

That's true. Cool hats do trump us in many arguments, although I would think the accent is a bigger trump card. Women love the accent.

voretaq7

@MarkM it bloody well is if you're British! :-)

Iain

@Shads0 I'll see you Top Hat and raise you a Panama

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim We have LOTS of history -- "You know what I haven't forgotten? That we kicked your ass in 1776."

Holocryptic

Scott Pack

@BartSilverstrim That depends. Ever heard of something called "Cockney"?

Holocryptic

4:49 PM

Top Cat?

Bart Silverstrim

A group of malcontents did that. I think most didn't really care about the revolution.

@ScottPack: That's true, guv'nor.

However, it does have a word in it that makes it inherently amusing.

So they still get a bonus point for it.

Shads0

@Iain I'll see your panama, and raise you H A T C E P T I O N

voretaq7

Also we lose all fights with the british because seriously, have you seen Parliament? Compare that to our boring congressional proceedings. When's the last time we had a good old-fashioned floor fight with ACTUAL FIGHTING?

Shads0

@voretaq7 CSPAN?

voretaq7

@Shads0 The national cure for insomnia.

Bart Silverstrim

4:51 PM

Congress...how unique is it that laws are passed when most of our representatives don't even bother to show up?

Shads0

@voretaq7 That's CSPAN2, CSPAN3 is slowly causing the zombie apocalypse

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 No doubt. Any governmental procedures that have placement rules based on sword length has my vote.

Bart Silverstrim

Every time I see it it's like a camera pointed at a church with most of the pews empty and some people milling around.

voretaq7

seriously though, the MoPs turn purple and yell. I've even seen them throw shit. What do we do over here? Closeups of Nancy Pelosi looking like Skeletor.

Bart Silverstrim

It's pathetic.

If she acted like Skeletor I'd watch.

MarkM

4:52 PM

@voretaq7 I thiink you mean

"Also we lose all fights with the British except the one that actually mattered, you know, the Revolutionary Freaking War."

Iain

@voretaq7 Parliament is like a children's playground with opposing gangs shouting at each other

voretaq7

I wanna be a congresscritter!
Seriously, how the fuck can I get paid to NOT SHOW UP TO DO MY DAMN JOB???

@Iain Congress is like daycare where they drugged all the little monsters to keep 'em quiet.

Bart Silverstrim

I've wondered what it would take to get there. I'd have to be liked by people, though. I think.

voretaq7

(when they actually SHOW THE FUCK UP)

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Right. Like daycare.

Bart Silverstrim

4:53 PM

And what I didn't know is that they were exempt from certain insider trading laws.

voretaq7

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Like THAT daycare anyway.

Bart Silverstrim

Congressional members got inside information from companies that wasn't public, then could act on it. No problem.

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim Congress is exempt from a lot of shit. And -- AND! they can vote themselves a goddamn raise!

Seriously, that should have to go to a popular referendum.

Bart Silverstrim

There was a guy who went in worth something like $100K, two years later, multimillionaire.

He just happened to buy land where a new highway was put in a few years later...

I'm not sure what it would take for me to run and get that kind of dough, though.

I figured I'd have to cater to a lot of people and get all greasy-slimy with dealings. I'd have trouble doing that.

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim they make like $100k a year or better, and lobbyists will feed you and fly you everywhere.

you just have to be able to eat their food, drink their booze, and then vote against them.
It's the last part that's usually the problem.

Bart Silverstrim

4:59 PM

Don't I have to convince people to vote me there first?

voretaq7

@BartSilverstrim no. Just bring your own SD card to the polls :-)

"A mister @BartSilverstrim won the election by 7.2 million votes -- An odd occurrence because there are only about 500,000 people in the district, but the electronic voting machines are highly secure and could never be tampered with."

Bart Silverstrim

Ha ha...It would be nice, make your own hours, do what you want, get funded by lobbyists...

Appear on the Bill Maher show.

Shads0

'Cept you can't fuck a thing without it being plastered everywhere

Bart Silverstrim

I'm married...I supposed I'd have to ask permission anyway first.

Shads0

No, its a form you have to fill out

Bart Silverstrim

5:15 PM

Wait, you mean actual f%$ing, or as in screwing with legislation and getting criticized for it?

Chopper3

5:26 PM

I'm more than willing to admit that given the opportunity I'd be as corrupt as all hell

hobodave

mornin'

Aaron

morning hoseheads

Bart Silverstrim

Is it corruption if you're playing by the same rules as your peers?

When did you become mod on oncooking, @hobodave?

hobodave

@BartSilverstrim since forever

have been since beta

Bart Silverstrim

Hmm. Hadn't noticed.

Kind of scary to have a hobo giving cooking advice.

But might be handy in this economy.

hobodave

5:31 PM

lol

so speaking of crazy electricity (last week), a power line transformer or something went apeshit in the alley behind my home this weekend

it was shooting sparks and humming loudly for a while before it went out with a bang

Bart Silverstrim

Cool!

hobodave

it's nowhere near as amazing as the giant tesla coil like reactions we saw, but I still got it on video

DJ-Pon3

finally i can put my feet up a bit

Bart Silverstrim

Upload to the youtubes.

Holocryptic

@hobodave And you didn't try to cook a turkey in it? Lame.

hobodave

5:39 PM

youtube is slow

my video is "being processed"

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DJ-Pon3

that's pretty damn "apeshit"

hobodave

I was hoping it would catch that car dealership on fire

DJ-Pon3

not a fan of theirs?

hobodave

I hate t hem with a passion

DJ-Pon3

why for?

hobodave

5:43 PM

they blare mexican music all day during the summers

DJ-Pon3

tossers

hobodave

it sucks ass

latino music, whatever you want to call it

DJ-Pon3

doesn't matter what you call it, blaring all day is the bad bit ah reckon

hobodave

I call the cops on them, so does my girlfriend.

DJ-Pon3

don't blame you. That's not neighbourly

Shads0

5:45 PM

@hobodave sure it wasn't a streetlight?

hobodave

@Shads0 I'm positive. There are no streetlights in alleys, and that was an electric/telephone pole

Bart Silverstrim

Why would a streetlight play latino music?

Chopper3

0

Q: Data storage solutions for rapidly running out of space

I have 2 web servers (1 live and other backup), the issue I have is our storage is rapidly running out. All the data on the server is used by our customers and new documents are uploaded to the server daily. So nothing can be deleted as it's always in use. We use a flat file structure with no d...

wow

Shads0

Was a joke, as that was bright as fuck

hobodave

@Shads0 fail at joke delivery :)

DJ-Pon3

5:47 PM

omg

hobodave

that's how we noticed it, there was all this bright flashing outside

Shads0

I blame the interwebs

If I wasn't determined to get Marshal, I'd get my FW to 666 and leave it there

Iain

@Shads0 easy, get Marshal, then get 9 declined then you're only 16 helpful away from it

Shads0

Don't you get a nice talking to if you get too many declined in a row?

Iain

no idea, you have to get 9 declined to drop you below 666 so you could probably intersperse them wit some helpful flags too

Shads0

5:58 PM

nah, knowing my luck, as soon as I do that for the lulz, they implement platinum badges that require 1k FW

MarkM

@Shads0 it's not fair that you can get Marshal. You can't vote to close so you can just flag stuff that's OT.

<---- sour

You don't even have to look hard for flaggable stuff.

Shads0

/cry

I do agree, though, that you should have at least some mod-like voting privileges before you can cross, say, 500 FW.

Iain

@Shads0 I shudder to think how many flags would be required to go from 750 to 1000. 740 to 750 is 92.

@MarkM someone is having a good go at the DUPs

Shads0

That way, you get the initial incentive to flag, then when you reach that 'cap' it gives you more incentive to get rep to get that higher cap.

Iain

@Shads0 what cap ?

Shads0

6:03 PM

@Iain OVER 9000 (obligatory)

I'm saying as far as me (having only 500 rep) being able to get a high FW without any type of close-votes as in 10k users n such

Iain

@Shads0 you should answer more questions

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Shads0

I should, 'cept the ones I'm 100% sure of, already have decent answers that I feel I can't improve on, and I don't like looking like a fool repeating the same thing as someone else>.>

voretaq7

@Iain or ask some good ones.

MarkM

I've been racking my brain all day trying to come up with a "My Auditor is an idiot" question that will whore upvotes for all of eternity.

Unfortunately, I can't.

Shads0

"My boss is an idiot" ?

Holocryptic

6:11 PM

@Shads0 too localized

Shads0

You mean too broad

DJ-Pon3

"help my pony has been hacked"

Holocryptic

I'd answer more questions, but I'm pretty much an idiot.

MarkM

Who is @DJPon3?

Holocryptic

@MarkM It's a secret

MarkM

6:13 PM

I thought it was @MikeyB at first, but he's in the room

Holocryptic

Or is he?

DJ-Pon3

who is DJ Pon3?

Shads0

Can't use 2 browsers?

DJ-Pon3

wait a moment.. I'm DJ Pon3... when did that happen?

MarkM

@Shads0 Not with 13k rep and have it all be there

Holocryptic

6:14 PM

@MarkM I'll give you a hint. Look at his profile

MarkM

MikeyB has more rep than that anyway. It was just my initial thought

Is it TomO?

Who the fuck is 40 and from England

Chris S

@Markm That would be Sir Robert.

Holocryptic

@MarkM You're clearly not looking hard enough

MarkM

Ahh, thanks @ChrisS

Holocryptic

@MarkM There's also a link to his website...

DJ-Pon3

6:16 PM

I don't think Tom would be overjoyed to be described as 40

hell, I'm not that happy about that myself ;-)

when did being 40 happen, etc...

Shads0

oh, didn't realize there was rep on the account, initially thought it was a throwaway :)

MarkM

@DJPon3 Ya, but he's from England. I just figured you guys had some weird metric time or something dumb.

Shads0

10 sec = 1 min; 10 min = 1 hour; 10 hour = 1 day; 10 days = 1 month; 10 month = 1 yr?

Holocryptic

"I'm only 40 metric years old dammit!"

MarkM

Something like that

DJ-Pon3

6:17 PM

:-)

MarkM

Dell came back and quoted me vsphere prices that are like 50% of list. Are discounts that big normal?

I'm only buying 12 sockets

DJ-Pon3

The metric system is the tool of the devil. My hooves get 40 rods to the hogs head, and thats the way I likes it

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MarkM

hahahaha

Shads0

I always felt that Dell does the classic 'huge mark up so our discounts look rediculous'

DJ-Pon3

They knocked a bunch off for us when we ordered but that was a while ago. God knows what special offers are on deck right now giving vmware's pricing debacle

MarkM

6:18 PM

@Shads0 Let me rephrase that. Dell is quoting me 50% of what a different vendor has as list.

DJ-Pon3

uh licensing debacle

MarkM

Dell doesn't actually include list price on their quotes.

DJ-Pon3

mmm chicken breast wrapped in parma ham... so nice

Got to admit that I might not have done the name change if I knew I was gonna be stuck with it for a while. I think you can only change them once a month or something

MarkM

@DJPon3 hahahaha

DJ-Pon3

might keep the avatar though

tombull89

6:23 PM

That's OK, I'll change my name to DJ-Pon4 and really let the WTF's roll.

DJ-Pon3

heheh :-)

Holocryptic

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Q: Can I get a one-time break on the name-change-every-thirty-days rule?

I had no idea -- perhaps there was no warning, or perhaps I didn't read it -- that if I changed my name it would be stuck for 30 days. I just want to go back to the name I've been using for months. Can I get a one-time pass?

feature-request usernames rate-limiting

Seems you can copy your profile back over or something

DJ-Pon3

That's good to know

Iain

@DJPon3 your network profile is still Robert Moir

DJ-Pon3

yup

I can copy it back :-D ty guys

Iain

6:26 PM

and mSO is Rob Moir

tombull89

0

A: Data storage solutions for rapidly running out of space

If all you need is disk space, add more disks.

Well, no sh*t.

MarkM

Quick, someone get Jeff to make them all DJ Pon3

DJ-Pon3

I just changed the mSO one to Rob Moir then copied to all

I'd prefer Jeff to fix all the SF regs to have a DJ-Pon3 avatar ;-)

tombull89

There is actually a DJ Pony...make of that what you will. WARNING: CONTAINS CHISELED FEATURES.

DJ-Pon3

I have not the words

Holocryptic

6:30 PM

@tombull89 Warn a brother before he's confronted with GQ chiseled features, please.

tombull89

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awww I need 3 more rep to have 8,888 network-wide rep.

MarkM

@tombull89 Ask a good question

When it gets 1 upvote, I'll immediately downvote it

Iain

I have no close votes left for the day - can you guys close this serverfault.com/questions/333319/… please

Shads0

@RobMoir Well this is gonna be an interesting month for you

Rob Moir

how do you figure?

Stack Exchange

6:37 PM

The Nubby SysAdmin: Password Protecting Existing RSA or DSA Private Keys

posted on November 21, 2011 by Wesley David

This one goes out to Michael @Voretaq7 Graziano. He’s been sharpening his collection of wiggle blade daggers ever since he discovered that I access one server of mine using a password-less RSA keypair. I finally got around to rectifying that situation the other evening. Obviously I didn’t want to recreate keypairs on my host machine [...]

Aaron

100km as well as 100000km

I wonder what kind of launch you would need for a 100000km unamped segment

Shads0

@RobMoir Just read the rest of chat, was talking about your name being stuck for 30 days

MarkM

@DJPon3 Your SF profile says Rob Moir, but your chat name still says @DJPon3!

Rob Moir

ah... turns out you can change it. Gonna keep the avatar though

MarkM

DJ PON3 IN THE HOUSE

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Holocryptic

6:40 PM

@MarkM shift + F5

Rob Moir

if you refresh the room, i'm back to plain old rob

MarkM

@Holocryptic Not interested in that black magic

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Iain

@Aaron isn't that something like -20000db - what's the typical signal strength that a radio telescope receives ?

Holocryptic

@MarkM That's racist

MarkM

I refresh my browser as often as I reboot my servers.

Once per kernel version.

Or, once per whenever Windows fucks up.

(Sucks being cross platform)

Holocryptic

6:42 PM

@MarkM Sooooo, once a day?

Aaron

@Iain, you could fix the problem 2 ways, either launch at +50000 db, or make a really sensitive receiver at -50000db

I think the launch at +50000 is easier, and also, it has the advantage of shooting right through the jacket if someone moves the fiber

Rob Moir

MarkM

This question needs to be moved to SU. My close vote "wore off" it seems.

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Q: Server 2008 R2 Hyper-V: 'hypervisor' driver not instaled

I have a dual-boot system, Windows 7 on my C: drive and Server 2008 R2 on my K: drive. Two separate hard drives. I set up Hyper-V and everything was running great, building VMs left and right and loving life. My Win7 drive became corrupt and i blew it away and reinstalled windows 7. In my Ser...

windows-server-2008-r2 hyper-v

tombull89

7:01 PM

Well, that's christmas sorted.

Shads0

@Iain Flagging that got me a declined flag...

Iain

bummer - it's such a crappy question

tombull89

@Shads0 What did you flag it as? I did as "low quality" and it got marked as "helpful".

Troll mod is trolling.

Shads0

not a real question – 29 mins ago declined - a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it

Iain

it has 4 NARQ votes too

Shads0

7:07 PM

mods just hate me QQ

Holocryptic

@tombull89 Just think, you can get that AND the Grass Mowing Simulator for £15!!

voretaq7

@Holocryptic You need to get Microsoft Lawn first

so maybe you'll want to get woodcutter, lawn, grass mower and golf

Holocryptic

The holy quadumverate of Sunday activities.

Chopper3

how about "Boring Simulator Simulator 2011"

MarkM

7:25 PM

WTF is up with this guy's edits?

serverfault.com/posts/305722/revisions

I just posted about him on MSF

Bart De Vos

@MarkM Gamification backlash probably

Holocryptic

I was reading this trying not to start laughing hysterically at work rockpapershotgun.com/2011/11/21/skyrim-lydia-death

Blog.SF

7:41 PM

Server Fault Blog: System Administration and the Art of Being Nosey

posted on November 21, 2011 by Kyle Brandt

In order for system administrators to do their job well, particularly in a tech company, they need to know a lot of what is going on. This is because just about everything is done on the systems we control. Lets look at some of examples of things system administrators probably need to know, and why [...]

Zoredache

@Holocryptic, he killed Lydia!

Shads0

Uh-ohhh, @BartSilverstrim, we just lost the chat link again

Holocryptic

@Zoredache Allegedly

voretaq7

@Shads0 I think @KyleBrandt is intentionally posting a new blog entry whenever the chat link comes back...

Zoredache

@Holocryptic, he can blame it on Volsung if he wants, but she wouldn't have died, if he had made a different choice.

Holocryptic

7:46 PM

@Zoredache Also, see this

@Zoredache I got owned in the face yesterday when my shout tagged a horse while fighting a dragon in the stable. I was overburdened and didn't want to drop my loot, so I tried to jump on the horse to keep it from kicking me to death. Then the guards started attacking me, while the dragon was breathing fire on me.

Good times

voretaq7

@Holocryptic Dude - tough day at the office!

wfaulk

The door video is hysterical

the best part is just when you think it's over, she gets trapped on the other side

Shads0

@wfaulk SPLAT...[get up...o what does this button do]...**SPLAT**

@Holocryptic I just picked up the game yesterday and learned the hard way to not try to take on 2 giants while level 7 with a dual fire/spark combo...

Holocryptic

@Shads0 I recommend not taking on giants unless you have a bridge to hide under. They pwn dragons like nobody's business.

Shads0

I've noticed after getting one shotted by one of them while draining all my mana shooting them, followed by all my stamina trying to run from them

Holocryptic

7:56 PM

@Shads0 It's even worse if the mammoths are around. Then it's a race between the mammoths and the giants to see who gets to make you their bitch.

Shads0

oh yay

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 The best part was, they were levying fines on me the whole time. And when I tried to surrender, all action stops (Except for the dragon trying to eat you while the guards are haggling your fees with you. Mind boggling)

Shads0

@Holocryptic My introduction to the game was me killing a chicken, getting a 45G bounty on my head, then immediately disappearing because I killed the chicken, then some random town lady attacking me, me killing her with fire, looting her, and not getting a bounty because she attacked me >:)

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