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1:59 AM
Good evening, everyone.
 
 
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@DanielBeck there's yearling
 
 
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Q: Windows 7 search results can't be moved (cut option in pop-up menu disabled) - why? and how to enable it? (Was in XP!)

RobI want to move a selection of files from a Windows 7 search to another folder but the right-click pop-up menu option for cut is disabled, why? Only copy is possible and I don't wish to make more than one copy of the files. This cut facility from search results was available in Windows XP.

Vote to close: Because we don't know what the devs were thinking.
 
hi @Sathya
 
hi @IvoFlipse
what's your TZ @IvoFlipse GMT+2.30 ?
 
naah +1 I think, the Amsterdam/Paris zone
GF has an early shift, hoeray!
 
@IvoFlipse ah. you're up early, so was wondering why
Happy V'day btw :P
 
thank you, I love you all as well ;P
 
5:41 AM
:P
 
6:02 AM
were you allowing edits @Sathya? :P
 
@IvoFlipse ?
 
oh wait others an accept them as well
I was going through the mod flags and edits and one disappeared right under me :P
 
@IvoFlipse oh.. no don't have SU open (yet)
 
keep it that way, for productivities sake :P
 
:P
hard to do so though :(
 
6:13 AM
tell me about it :P
 
 
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7:33 AM
@Jacob that was me, in response to a flag...I wasn't sure about it myself, but since another user felt it might be okay for SF and I felt that way too, we migrated it...it is really vague and low-quality....sorry about that!
 
 
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11:24 AM
@studiohack Thanks
 
okay, let me know when it is deleted, and I'll/another mod will clean it up here and make it presentable again @Jacob
 
@studiohack Thanks
 
no problem :)
 
Honestly he'll get Windows XP isn't a server go get a server OS :)
 
thank you / SF for your patience, @Jacob
yeah lol
 
11:51 AM
hi all..i'm new to super user. is it okay to sanity check a question here in chat, or should i just post it and risk looking like a total idiot?
 
@djeikyb Go bold man :)
 
howdy all
 
i moved my local private key to id_rsa.bkp, and then successfully ssh'd into a remote server sans passwor. i was expecting an authentication error. is this an silly misunderstanding or a decent question?
 
aloha :)
 
Super User is for computer enthusiasts and power users, your question is about computer software and is not listed under "not about" thus it lies within the borders defined by the FAQ and is allowed on our site.
 
11:58 AM
explain that to the haters on area51 who claim Vim and Emacs require their own sites
 
lol
 
you misunderstood @TomWij, Emacs isn't a computer program but a programming environment o.O
> @Ivo: You shouldn't compare Emacs to just any other programming tool, because Emacs is different. Most users of Eclipse for example rarely customize/extend their tool, because it's simply too complicated and time consuming. Emacs users on the other hand customize/extend their tool frequently. –
> @Ivo: It's clear to me that you're not an Emacs user and in fact don't get the whole Emacs culture at all: Emacs is a working environment and many users like to tweak their environment to a high degree. A question on how to achieve X within Emacs may result in a very simple answer like: "Use menu Tools > Spell Checking ..." and as such be suitable for SU.
> However, often these simple questions result in answers by expert Emacs wizards showing you some Lisp code that solves your problem... So how would you know in advance on which site to ask?
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Q: Please re-open Emacs proposal - Not a duplicate

Modern HackerProposal: Emacs As already discussed on Meta, there is no one site to discuss Emacs. Emacs questions on SO get closed and moved to SU, and vice versa. Emacs is a seamless blend of application and programming platform, so neither site fits. Speaking for myself, I don't want to follow tags on two ...

one day I will torch area51 :P
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How can I misunderstand by just those two tags? :D
Seriously...
Clippy... ARGHHHH!!!
Yay! Valentine SPAM...
@IvoFlipse: What I read:
> Vim is often called a "programmer's editor," and so useful for programming that many consider it an entire IDE
> GNU Emacs is an extensible, customizable text editor—and more.
They both can be text editors, they both can be IDEs, end of story.
 
@TomWij This sir is amazing
 
12:11 PM
they're both on-topic on SU :P
 
it is amazing @Jacob :P
Clippy is pretty stupid at times...it is our chat easter egg
 
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Q: Fullscreen (distraction free) PHP editor

I'd like to know if there is an editor that has PHP code completion and has a fullscreen (not the way komodo edit or notepad++ have) like gedit. I've been searching for some but couldn't find any.

 
9 more upvotes for a bronze in [google-chrome]
 
You guys don't consider that subjective?
 
go for it @Sathya :)
 
12:14 PM
@Jacob pretty much
 
it is a [software-rec] question, @Jacob
 
I IZ DISAPPOINT.
there is no Notepad listed there :P
 
awww why @Sathya??
haha
 
it is distraction free you know. Open and get a blank screen
 
@Sathya PHP.net FTWWWWWW :)
 
12:16 PM
yeah, that is nice @Sathya - even though I don't code
 
no stupid-FTP features, no code-folding, no syntax highlighting, no spell-check, no regex search, no status bars, no line gutter. REEAAAAAALLY DISTRACTION FREE!
and there's just one row of toolbar icons. DISTRACTION FREE!!!!
ok, I'll shut up now -.-
 
okay @Sathya
:P
 
@studiohack aww you didn't get the wink, wink nudge, nudge :P
:P
 
what?! @Sathya
you're confusing me
 
(check in reply to @studiohack)
btw @nhinkle @TomWij the HP CPU assassin WMI question crossed 1k views
 
12:20 PM
@Sathya: Nice. :-)
 
are you talking to the serial voter @Sathya?
 
@studiohack :)
 
@Sathya - what does this mean?
> Has sent 2 invites
on your Chat profile in red?
 
@studiohack invites to join chat
 
how do you do that?
@Sathya I'm out of votes for 11 hours
 
12:22 PM
@studiohack click on my/another user's name :) you'll see the option
Actions
invite this user…
 
ahh! okay
what is kick this user?
can I test it on you? or is it dangerous, @Sathya? lol
 
you can't kick me :P
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hahahahaahahahaaha!
 
feel free to kick @TomWij though :P
 
?!?!?!
 
12:24 PM
okay, @TomWij
 
so, who else wants to line up to kick @TomWij :P
 
ready?
you're out of the room @TomWij
can you get back in?
 
:D
 
okay. good, now I've tested it.
 
yep.. he should be able to
 
12:25 PM
You basically send me back to chat.stackexchange.com :D
 
welcome back @TomWij :) you were the guinea pig for the SU chat room
 
@studiohack is all like oooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what does this button do ? :P
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And now there is a "has been kicked on ..." on my clean record :-(
 
@TomWij is awarded the Guinea Pig Badge for SU
where is that @TomWij?
maybe I can scrub it as mod?
 
can't find it @TomWij
 
12:27 PM
Dunno if such things are logged, just kidding... :D
 
@Sathya - be nice. be nice. Or I'll kick you out
 
try it :P @studiohack
 
whewwwww @TomWij - I sure don't want to ruin your spotless record :)
[removed yelling] @Sathya
 
na-nyah-you-can't-kick-me-you-can't-kick-me-you-can't-kick-me @studiohack
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I guess the moderators are frustrated because of yet another sad Valentine's Day.
 
12:28 PM
wonders if this hyperactivity is the result of me having Tea
 
feels like being nice to @Sathya for once because of vday
 
6 hours ago, by Ivo Flipse
thank you, I love you all as well ;P
:P
 
lol :D
 
lol haha
I saw that.
 
I was worth repeating :P
 
12:31 PM
@studiohack yep :( especally while having Flu :(
 
1:06 PM
oh that is no fun @Jacob
 
@studiohack nope
 
did someone kick me out? @Sathya @TomWij
 
nope @studiohack
 
Don't know, I don't get messages for that.
 
lol thought you might get revenge haha @Sathya :P
 
1:09 PM
@studiohack :))
 
1:23 PM
@IvoFlipse:
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A: Please re-open Emacs proposal - Not a duplicate

TomWijLet's say we've opened an Emacs community, will the questions at SO, SU and Prog.SE disappear? No. Why? Because the FAQ still allows them and people will still land there! Can this be solved? No. Why? Because there is no reason to migrate them nor list every single Editor/IDE in the FAQ. Tim...

 
thank you, but I'll just go back to ignore them :P
 
Yeah, it's simply "emacs doesn't work because of to the guidelines and you can't do this for every single editor/ide; thus you might be interested in forming a IDE Experts community instead"
It's reasonable for Super User to allow text editing and just disallow IDE Expert questions by stating that in the site list in the FAQ, same counts for SO/Prog.SE as far as I know. I've also proposed (Copy) Editors (the people, not the software) but that will most likely don't work anyway. :P
 
hrmm I have a very strange problem with my box.. all the sudden the screen just says no signal, after turning it on.. I have a Gigabyte GTX 470 connected to a samsung screen via hdmi
I have no idea what could be wrong
 
1:38 PM
hmm
after turning what on? and in what state was the computer?
or a better question: when did it broke?
 
not sure
just found out some days ago
 
you most likely want to check the connections, check if the card is fit fine and check if you have the power cable attached.
 
turned on and of like two times and it worked again
yeah should be, at least the lights are green
with lights I mean the leds on the card
 
if you have another device that outputs hdmi you can check if it's the monitor itself
(or attack another monitor to the computer to verify that it's not the computer)
 
that seems to be ok
at least I attached my mb via display port to vga
 
1:41 PM
I'm not a hardware guy, but it usually comes down to trying to locate the issue
 
anyways.. my gigabyte card has a lot of green leds on it
well they are light green, what are they good for?
 
how many lights are on?
 
didn't count, just like in the vide at the beginning
what is the purpose of having like 10 leds on a graphics card?!
 
All the lights are on?
> The green lights shows the voltage load of the card. As the GTX 470 SOC uses more power the green LED lights make their way across the back of the card. For some reason in Windows 7 all the green lights are always on despite the voltage load. With XP it works fine.
 
yes
 
1:45 PM
Well, I first thought temperature, but apparently they are for the voltage load.
But it's a bit silly that Windows 7 causes them all lights to be green...
 
It's supposed to just work
 
Dunno if that's good or bad.
 
windows xp is like 10 years old
 
What OS are you using?
 
windows 7
and ubuntu
 
1:46 PM
The lights might be just normal.
 
yes but the no signal thing not..
 
Does your power supply provide enough power for the graphics card?
 
sure
850W
 
Hmm, when does it say no signal, from the moment you power on or only in Windows?
It might as well be drivers.
 
when I power it on
no it's not
can incorrect bios settings cause that?
 
1:50 PM
k
I don't think so, they should show on the first screen it can find.
But you might have a BIOS where you have to choose between VGA/PCI-E so you might want to check if you can change it.
Because turning it off/on in Windows might indeed trigger Windows to detect it and show something on it, while turning it off/on during Boot has no effect.
If BIOS doesn't help, I would just suggest you to figure out whether it's monitor or card first, then try to reseat it (perhaps in another PCI-E slot) and check the connections.
 
how can I do that if I don't see anything on the screen?
 
you said something about mb --> displayport --> vga or doesn't that work either?
 
don't forget to simply try a different PCI-E slot
 
that works
 
Anyhow, I can't help you further that than, maybe @Wil or someone else can, or else you can try to ask it on Super User...
 
Wil
1:57 PM
whatwhat...
 
It's always handy if you have another computer, monitor or hardware components to test with. Try family, friends and in the worst case you'll need to ask a local computer store...
If I accidentally see you as the knows-more-about-hardware-guy, punish me. ^^
 
The strange thing is I have two graphic cards, both Gigabyte gtx 470
now I exchanged them, but still no signal
is there a keyboard combination which resets the bios or something?!
 
just to be sure, simply disconnect one
 
why?
 
if one is faulty or makes the mobo short-circuit we can exclude that
and I would disconnect everything except for the RAM, GPU + CPU if you can't get anything on your screen then, well then we know none of the other things could be the cause ;)
 
2:03 PM
@Nils: wikihow.com/Reset-Your-BIOS (Don't go for any alternative options, they are really not necessary for a PC)
 
hrmm
 
@IvoFlipse ah, good point, something else that is incompatible/broke could cause it as well
 
@Sathya made the front page on /.
 
but again, @nils, just try excluding things to know where the issue lies
 
Wil
my diagnosis... If nothing has changed at all, it is one of three things (I wrote about this recently) - PSU, MOBO, or graphics card. Most common is in this order - if you have had a few weird problems (e.g. crashes) it could be the PSU doing wrong voltages. If everything was working, most likely the graphics are busted - after that, mobo blown is usuallyrare
(sorry, quite busy...), slow responses etc.
 
2:04 PM
BTW, hello everyone
 
I didn't have any crashes
 
Wil
easiest way to tell, if you have internal graphics or a spare card, try using that, or alternatively, your card on a different machine
 
Woah @Kyle
 
Wil
well, I would say 50% chance graphics, 25 mobo, 25 psu... but without seeing, hard to rule it out.
 
hrmm what is the shortcut to enter bios?
for gigabyte mainboards?
 
2:06 PM
F2, Delete or F10 most of the time
 
@IvoFlipse F12 too
 
@Sathya nice question, I'm sure it's going to get alot of views today.
 
what do the leds on the mainboard mean?
 
the views are at 2,718 now,
 
@Kyle Oh, that's great. :D
 
2:11 PM
@TomWij I was thinking @nhinkle solved a problem like this last week...
 
tweeted it with a tip to @JeffAtwood :P
 
resetting the bios seemed to help
however now I had to attach the screen to the second card, where can I tell it which card to use for graphics?
 
@Nils: No clue, just skim through all the options (there aren't that much), BIOSes differ.
 
2:26 PM
so I just reset the bios and it works again
anybody had a similar problem before?
 
@Nils nope
 
humm
dumb pcs
by the way do graphic cards have their own bioses?
 
Yes, the graphics card has it's own BIOS, typically it tells the graphics card how to start up and controls the fans speeds before software takes over
It's why with some graphics card you hear a "whoosh" as your machine starts up then it settles down. The card defaults to high fan speed on boot in order to prevent damage, then it settles down as the BIOS (and subsequently the drivers) take over fan speed
 
3:11 PM
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Q: What do update versions really mean?

KronoSA lot of software updates follow the scheme of v0.1 to v0.2 to v2.6.5.6. What do these "updates" to software really mean? Is there an industry standard always followed or do programmers pretty much keep raising the update # or adding more decimals?

wow this has gotten a bit of attention
 
3:29 PM
what's with @SLott's hostility ?
 
@Sathya I have no idea....
 
"Is there an industry standard". No. Who writes "industry standards"? ANSI? ISO? ECMA? Please don't write a meaningless phrase like "industry standard". Please name a specific standards-writing organization.
seriously ? sheesh, edit, move on.
> Programmer for well over 30 years,
 
> @KronoS: "I welcome criticism ... I'm leaving it alone." Got it. It's welcome, but won't be acted on. – S.Lott
 
meh.
 
Wow, and I thought the horrific abuses of technology had started to cease...
 
3:39 PM
yeah...
 
Someone has just taken a screenshot, pasted it into Word, printed it off, highlighted a couple of bits and then scanned it back in so that they can email the highlighted version to people. All this instead of learning how to use Paint.
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leaving work, laters folks
 
Later @Sathya
 
I hate your life @Mokubai ;)
see you when you get home @Sathya
 
Cheers @IvoFlipse :)
 
3:41 PM
see ya @Sathya :)
kicks @Sathya ;)
 
> “ Some questions are logically nonsensical because the querent thinks they know more than they do. A lot of these have the form ‘How do I use X to accomplish Y?’ There's nothing wrong with this, except that sometimes X is a chocolate-covered banana and Y is the integration of European currency systems.”
@Mokubai I love those links on your profile
 
I have been tempted to remove that one, I thought it might be considered a bit harsh....
 
no it's not
"Nobody in their right mind would ever do that" should be a vote-to-close reason on #StackExchange
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@IvoFlipse That is Awesome! I want that!
 
same here
but I would delete, not close those questions :P
 
3:44 PM
lol
 
guess I'm the harsh one here
if they would let me loose on WebApps with that, I'd close half the site
where are questions there like: how do I do X in Gmail? where the answer is just changing some setting, rather than hacking together some chrome extension...
 
a lot of our migrations go to WebApps
 
I would have it auto email the asker with an "Are you insane?!?! Yes/No (please delete as appropriate and reply)"
 
No @Clippy I don't want to do X in Gmail, ffs!
 
@IvoFlipse lol
I've so far managed to avoid Clippy, though I have seen his handiwork... :)
He is to be worshipped
 
3:47 PM
guess you never question things in life ;P
other than other users motives for asking silly questions
 
I usually end up questioning peoples sanity
I tend not to ask questions here, this is like one of those nice sanctuary of calm type places, where sane people go to get some peace and quiet. Kindof like the scary devil monastery...
I just noticed, why do you want to torch area51 @IvoFlipse ?
 
because the people on the discussion part there are insane as well
 
Apart from the Emacs site proposal... which seems a bit redundant to me, like having an SE site for toasters...
"How do I make my toaster browse the internet? Well, for starters you install a 1.21 jiggerhertz optical carrier lightning bottle..."
 
@IvoFlipse how do I print variables and text in python...
 
print(variable)
 
3:53 PM
print " var i, 'text'"
 
print variablename
 
but I want them on the same line
 
you don't need brackets if it's only one variable
 
Brackets are optional but preferred in 3.0
 
else, use @Mokubai's version for bundling them
 
3:54 PM
@Mokubai I'm runnin 2.6
 
print(Var + var)
 
@Mokubai the CS Theory guys and Physics are a pain too
 
wait... how do I both a variable and text on the same line?
 
or print(var + "delimiter" + str(integer or other weird value) )
 
ah...
 
3:55 PM
you end up using str a lot to concantenate variables together
@IvoFlipse I can imagine, I try to avoid theoretical problems as a rule because they tend to assume things that are either unprovable or just plain wrong. I like engineers because they tend to work with real world things that are solid and provable.
 
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