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@Mokubai or history
 
@halilpazarlama Merhabalar Halil, try removing the license file and create a new file online with uppercase name of LICENSE and it should ask you to pick a template
 
You'd typically not have software run on the last generation of processors. Now? c2ds are still oddly viable boxen if you're willing to make small upgrades
 
actually wait - just pressing edit on the license shows the template combobox too. @halilpazarlama
 
12:30 AM
Jul 8 at 2:13, by bwDraco
@Bob Why not "even" in "...repair shop [even] if they told me..."?
Think I have the answer:
"even" is omitted from "...vote for Clinton if you..." (and is technically redundant in this context) because it is implied by the strong condition "if you paid me". — bwDraco 7 mins ago
This is not a regional difference.
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Q: 'if', meaning 'even if'. Why would ommision occur in some cases?

Kinzle BFrom Michael Swan's Practical English Usage 261.10: If, meaning 'even if' We can use 'if' to mean 'even if'. I'll finish this job if it takes all night. I wouldn't marry you if you were the last man in the world. I wonder if we can omit 'even' in any other 'even if'...

 
 
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1:49 AM
!!/tumbleweed
 
2:01 AM
!!biird
 
At the dog park :p
 
 
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5:09 AM
@allquicatic @Bob we up to anything today? @Bob mentioned he might have to pop out for a bit but wasn't sure of the time, and my sunday morning dog run duties have concluded satisfactorily ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek i'm here
 
Oh look Azure being a pain in the ass
 
My school admin installed 32-bit Windows on PCs with 64-bit processors and he says he can't be bothered to be change it :/
 
Change it yourself
I installed 7 on my pc, when everything else had xp :D
 
 
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10:00 AM
> N- series Vms are still not available in general and if you have registered for the N series Vms as well as got an approval email from the N-series Team then you need to contact the N –series team for any deployment issues.
cc @bob
 
Bob
@HackToHell oh.
where does it say that?
 
I emailed em :D
 
Bob
:\
 
I replied asking them if they could add me to the preview
 
Bob
That was in the standard Azure update email
 
10:06 AM
Yeah you can't create from the portal even though it's there i.stack.imgur.com/exOOr.png
I guess you need special cores thingy access
 
Man, it feels so good to be doing robotics again...
 
Bob
10:36 AM
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11:01 AM
 
lol
 
@Bob I quite literally had no idea what I was talking about ;p
 
!! s/talk/woof/
 
@DavidPostill @Bob I quite literally had no idea what I was woofing about ;p (source)
 
11:40 AM
lol
 
Bob
12:36 PM
@JourneymanGeek poke, sr?
 
Out at the moment
Will poke when I get home?
 
Bob
sure
@JourneymanGeek I was thinking sr4 cause we're pretty much done with 3
 
12:53 PM
Yeah.
 
Dog
CAAAAAT!
 
KHAAAAAAAAN!
 
Dog
3
Q: NUC playing Intel jingle while boxed, should I be worried?

Pekka 웃I bought an Intel NUC (D34010WYK, to be exact) used, as an Amazon Warehouse Deal. It's supposed to come with a 128GB SSD and 4 GB of RAM already installed. It still resides in its original packaging, so I haven't connected it to anything yet (not even mains). Yet bizarrely, it keeps playing th...

Is this for real?
 
Dog
1:04 PM
@Bob Holy crap
Guess I'll go eat my hairball nw
Totally thought it was a troll
 
that's good marketing
made me check prices of NUC
I might consider it haha
 
@Bob I do believe you wanted to pick @arda's Brain.
@arda Nuc class machines are awesome basic machines/servers.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Oh, managed without. Eventually figured out it was an embedded vid and could follow along without knowing the language :P
Microsoft only has a Turkish version of that KB article.
And TIL Turkish MS does instructional videos.
 
@Bob turkish ms is head of MEA
 
Bob
@arda I don't think any other MS branch does
 
1:10 PM
turkish ms does a lot of stuff
 
And their voiceover artist sounds like an airline announcer...
 
@JourneymanGeek ahaha exactly
 
Bob
oh, I don't know if co-op will work @JourneymanGeek
cause my SR4 version is different from yours
iirc that used to be a problem with L4D2
 
@JourneymanGeek I need a new machine. I wasn't building one as I want to move abroad and carrying a pc abroad is hell, but NUC is pretty small. I will probably get one.
@Bob sr4 coop is rather relaxed about mods and versions afaik, but you have to try it
 
Bob
@arda mods, yea - I had a mod enabled on sr3 no probs
 
Dog
1:14 PM
NUCs are great as HTPCs too
 
Bob
But versions... can sometimes stop the game working entirely
 
Dog
Some third parties make gaming NUCs
 
Bob
especially cause I think in this case my SR4 is missing a whole cutscene
cause apparently sniffing drugs out of a smashed lightbulb is too much for Australian censors
 
@Dog I prefer pis as htpc
 
@Bob different how?
 
Bob
1:16 PM
58 secs ago, by Bob
cause apparently sniffing drugs out of a smashed lightbulb is too much for Australian censors
 
Dog
@arda I don't think Pis can stream steam
 
video game censors are stupid imo
 
That might get annoying.
 
Dog
Oh good old australian censors
Didn't they ban GTA V or something
 
Bob
1:17 PM
oh, nevermind
@allquicatic helped me buy sr4, I remember now :P
so I have the US version
think I specifically did that to avoid the censored version :P
@Dog not sure about GTA, but they did ban Mortal Kombat iirc
whichever version was released ~2012
 
@Dog steam not really but limelight works
 
Bob
oh, GTA V got an R18 rating
which is also brand new, btw
 
that uses Nvidia Gamestream
 
Bob
lots of arguments over the last half decade
bloody Christian Lobby
The Australian Christian Lobby (ACL) is a political organisation based in Canberra, which works in six different states and territories inside the country. The ACL is politically active in Australia as a Christian lobbying organisation. == History == The Australian Christian Coalition (ACC) was founded in 1995 by John Gagliardi, a lay leader of a large Pentecostal church in Brisbane. Gagliardi had held journalistic positions as editor of the Townsville Bulletin and as a presenter for Channel 10 news. Co-founders include John McNicoll, a retired Baptist minister turned lobbyist in Canberra, and...
 
worst video game censors are on japan, australia and germany
in reverse order
 
Bob
1:20 PM
^ social conservatives
@arda Oh yea, germany loves to censor violence too
Japan... don't know much about their censorship
 
@Bob theirs is rather tame, they just block slightest sexual stuff
 
Bob
> The ACL constantly lobbied against efforts to introduce an R18+ classification for video games.[141] They wanted the video game Sniper Elite V2 banned in Australia, describing the game as "sick".[142]
 
the "purple" bat in SR3 and 4 looks a bit different in japan version
 
Bob
> Jim Wallace, of the Australian Christian Lobby, said the context of the violence was "rubbish" and the game should have been refused classification.
 
I wonder if the next version of the game has an option to shoot certain people in Australia.
 
Bob
1:22 PM
"game set in WW2" not enough context for violence?!
> The government announced in June 2012 that an R18+ category for video games would be introduced on 1 January 2013, "bringing Australia into line with the rest of the world".[147] The ACL subsequently lobbied for the new R18+ classification to allow no more sex and violence than the MA15+ classification,[147] though they were unsuccessful.[146]
 
Dog
@Bob Ah
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek apparently the entire mission was removed from the AU version
 
Dog
@arda Oh nice
@arda Not very effectively though!
 
@Bob ow.
 
Bob
no idea how that would have worked in co-op, and we don't be finding out ;)
 
1:25 PM
@Dog yeah
 
Dog
@Bob Yay for a secular constitution?
 
Bob
@Dog I have no clue what those weird blocky colours could possibly be.
@Dog I blame Murdoch.
He can also go die in a fire. Him and his News Corp.
 
@Bob while you are free to post whatever you want to say, I'd recommend not doing so as this is a publicly accessible and google-indexed room.
 
Bob
The Cat Empire are an Australian ska and jazz band formed in 1999. Core members are Felix Riebl (percussion and vocals), Harry James Angus (trumpet and vocals), Will Hull-Brown (drums), Jamshid "Jumps" Khadiwhala (decks, percussion), Ollie McGill (keyboard and backing vocals), and Ryan Monro (bass and backing vocals). They are often supplemented by The Empire Horns, a brass duo composed of Ross Irwin (trumpet) and Kieran Conrau (trombone), among others. Their sound is a fusion of jazz, ska, funk and rock with heavy Latin influences. == Beginnings == The Cat Empire's origins are traced back to Jazz...
@arda Eh... I say that largely in jest. "die in a fire" has apparently become my catchphrase for things I dislike.
 
Dog
Hopefully this'll be the last night in a row I stay up till 3am...
 
Bob
1:28 PM
Pretty sure many people have publicly said much worse things about him too.
 
Dog
@Bob CLIPPY!
 
Bob
@Dog No, I like clippy :)
 
Dog
May 29 '13 at 10:36, by Bob
no, clippy, go die in a fire
 
Bob
shhhhhhh
 
Dog
!!s/s/a/
 
1:29 PM
@Dog That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@Dog ahhhhhhh (source)
 
Dog
@Bob Probably because there's no Android API for it so it relies on proprietary and/or intimate knowledge of the modem RIL
 
Bob
@Dog Apparently 0011 is standard-ish unless the manuf disables it? idk
 
Dog
There was a $750 app once that had its own implementation of the Qualcomm RIL and could pull more data from it than ServiceMode
@Bob No, 0011 is a samsung proprietary service mode shortcut
 
Bob
Don't have a Nexus phone unfortunately
@Dog ah
 
Dog
4636 is the standard Android one (unless some manufacturers coughsamsungcough disable it)
 
Bob
1:32 PM
ah
 
Dog
I suspect the Qualcomm RIL docs may be NDA'd
I've been meaning to try and debug/strace servicemode to try and replicate its functionality
However my Android-fu is fairly weak
 
Bob
@Dog I did manage to get the EARFCN, but I have no idea how that works for subcarriers.
 
Dog
@varfirstName Woof
@Bob Ooh how
2
 
Dog
The debug info on that basically shows everything Android's APIs are willing to provide
 
1:35 PM
@Bob good to go, though I might need to take a quick break for wauzer herding
 
Bob
needed root
turns out KingRoot works well, but loads a whole bunch of other crap on there
good thing I don't really care about that phone :P
 
Dog
@Bob Hmm, I had that installed once
Along with another app around the same time, seemed to just guess at band/earfcn info based on DB lookup
@Bob Seems to show band info, I can't see anything mentioning EARFCN
 
Bob
@Dog root? apparently the one I used sent commands directly to /dev/smd11
@Dog "Enable Modem Commands"
 
Dog
@Bob Ah nice
@Bob Ah nice
 
Bob
> Experimental feature to query the onboard modem to display advanced signal data, such as LTE frequency and EARFCN values; may not work on all devices, and may increase battery usage This feature does not yet control LTE band identification [Requires root access]
"Modem Device Interface"
> Interface to direct modem commands to; varies by device, common values are radio, smd0, smd7, smd8, and smd11
 
Dog
1:41 PM
Nice!
 
Bob
> Enter device interface, without /dev/ prefix (smd11 is default)
 
Dog
Maybe I don't need to figure this out myself after all
 
Bob
doesn't work on the S7 though :\
And I still have no idea if it even works for SCs
I tried all their suggested modem devices on the S7, nope.
Maybe something else. Didn't see anything obvious via root explorer.
away for SR4 now :P (sorry @JourneymanGeek)
@Dog There was another one that didn't work for me :\ play.google.com/store/apps/…
 
Dog
@Bob Ah that's the one that just guessed/did a DB lookup
Dev's been ignoring me too
 
Bob
@Dog It has a root mode too, though. idk
 
Dog
1:45 PM
Root mode still just uses bleh guesses
 
Bob
urk
dunno if SignalCheck Pro does that too
 
Dog
If it has a direct modem interface then I guess not
In the UK at least it's relatively trivial to guess band information from just the cell ID on LTE
By relatively I mean completely
All the networks have completely obvious and clear numbering schemes: 0,1,2 for B3, 7,8,9 for B7, 13,14,15 for B20 for example (ones in between are used for the very rare 3+ sector sites)
Network 2: 110, 120,130, for B20, 114,124,134 for B3, etc.
You can even guess the vague direction and orientation based on the CID, since they're always numbered clockwise from north
 
!! s/take a look at the rest of the electronics market/get rid of the Brazil cost/
 
2:22 PM
roar
 
@bwDraco Katy Perry, is that you?
 
lol
 
2:44 PM
Damnit, automatic YouTube subtitles...
 
I can't even see half the words :/
 
> There's only one teeny-tiny problem with this magical future world of computers we control with our voices.
It doesn't work
I love jeff's blog posts lol
(both in coding horror and old posts from se/so blog)
 
Okay, don't watch that
the translations seriously ruin it
Also, it appears to be promotional
 
3:00 PM
is there a good CLI mysql client out there?
the default one can't even do autocomplete
 
3:36 PM
hi
 
hi
 
hi
 
hi
 
3:44 PM
8 Hi, 10 places on the star wall.....
 
We need more!!!
 
hi
 
Can john cavil say Hi ?
 
no, no repeats!
eh, damnit
hi
two more to go!
 
hi
 
3:46 PM
To bad I cannot star clippy
 
HI
 
LOW
 
YES! WE HAVE DONE IT!
 
!!say hi
 
3:48 PM
This moment is forever bookmarked: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/118/conversation/hi
 
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2016/08/26/princeton-25-core-cpu/1
 
!!/learn hi <>https://i.stack.imgur.com/88hbC.png
 
@Rahul2001 Command hi learned
 
Bob's gonna be maaaad.... ;-)
 
3:49 PM
!!hi
 
lol, @allquicatic got left out
 
lol but I started it?!
pinned
!!forget hi
 
@allquicatic Command hi forgotten.
 
!!learn hi <>http://i.imgur.com/uWvKYKU.png
 
3:51 PM
@allquicatic Command hi learned
 
!!hi
 
better
 
Do we really want Asus-z170 tags?
 
I don't
 
3:58 PM
@Hennes No. You want to remove them?
 
Yeah. I like tags, but this seems a very stupid tag
 
I hate tags
 
Bob
@allquicatic ?
 
Oooh. Seem like @JourneymanGeek burned it.
 
Bob
4:00 PM
No, it caught fire on its own.
 
must have flipped.
 
I like tags. I can see the use for a [z170] or [chipset-z170] tag. Esp. if that was a known buggy chipset (Nvidia chipset anyone?). But this was a tad extreme.
Right, back to drinking pink elephants with polka dots.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek XD
references!
"Tag, what tag?"
 
Cache tag! :)
 
Bob
4:05 PM
What tag?
 
"And what's that flaming wreckage doing there?"
 
@Bob we filled your star wall with hi
@DavidPostill I did
 
Bob
@allquicatic :(
@JourneymanGeek "And why did it crush the person post we were supposed to save?"
:P
 
@allquicatic No you didn't. You are an imposter!
 
> CCE helps in improving student’s performance by identifying his/her learning difficulties at regular time intervals right from the beginning of the academic session and employing suitable remedial measures for enhancing their learning performance.
Yeah, right... poems and skits definitely help me learn the magnetic effects of electric current better...
 
4:15 PM
@Bob I saved her it by killing her it!
 
@DavidPostill I meant that I burnt the hi stars
 
lol
An emoji is a graphical representation, an emoticon is a textual representation.
TIL...
 
@allquicatic Ahh. Apologies for impostering you :)
@Rahul2001 lol
@Rahul2001 It probably helps those who are not at your level of genius IQ to learn and remember such stuff...
 
4:30 PM
@DavidPostill No it doesn't
because they don't even make sense
It's just compulsory under CCE guidelines
We also have to make presentations, and charts, and graphics, and all sorts of other rubbish
@DavidPostill I have a turncoat tomorrow, and the topic is this system... I plan on killing it ;)
 
@Rahul2001 Those are good skills for later ...
 
@DavidPostill I agree, but they take away valuable teaching time
I have my examinations in less than three weeks and the teacher hasn't even completed half the syllabus...
She's going to rush now, and we will understand nothing
This has a particularly bad effect on those planning to take up science next year, because we need to get an A grade in order to do that
 
4:58 PM
:/
 
Now that PowerShell runs on Linux, can I answer Bash questions with it? :p
 
@BenN lol, I don't think so
 
One of the things I don't like about my phone is that charging is temperature-limited. If the phone is warm (especially if the screen is on), it'll charge very slowly even when the device is mostly idle and the source can supply enough power to charge fast.
 
I don't understand why you guys keep on complaining about your phone's charging issues...
Buy a moto and get over with it, it charges in like 30 minutes
 
Jul 21 at 15:26, by bwDraco
I usually use 1.5A or 2A chargers; the phone's software is smart enough to only pull as much power as it can safely draw.
If the charger is USB-PD capable, it'll charge at up to 3A; it'll get from empty to 60% in about 30 minutes.
Otherwise (as long as you have a standards-compliant USB Type-C cable) the phone will sense the amount of power it can safely draw from the source and charge at that rate.
Unless, as mentioned earlier, the screen is on and the device is warm.
 
5:08 PM
@BenN lol. I'm happy you aren't stalking me on Stack Overflow adding PowerShell answers when I answer questions ;p
@BenN I'm also now answering some questions with PowerShell answers. I'm always happy for improvement hints if you spot any ... :)
 
5:29 PM
@bwDraco Motorola turbo charging uses 9V and 12V instead of the conventional 5V...
The weirdest url ever: www.dord.horse
 
So does Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0. 3.0 uses variable voltage up to 20V negotiated between the charger and device.
 
Cloud data crossing? Heard of this one? productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/HKU-2mGmnCk
I just happened to see email in Chrome auto-fill function that I do not recognize.
I was logging in to Facebook. This email was never shown before. Thread mentiones previous owner by I bought laptop back in 2012 or so.
Is it synchronized somehow? I don't remember if I had Chrome back then too.
 
@Boris_yo 1) Did you format pc when you bought it? 2) Why didn't you? 3) Any other devices on your account? maybe a friend logged in to their facebook with your phone etc. 4) try contacting google
 
@arda Will try get a hold of Sergei Brin.
 
@Boris_yo *Sergey
 
5:43 PM
@arda I don't like "gey" part...
 
@Boris_yo Don't bother. It's the NSA you need to contact - oh wait a minute that already know! ;)
 
Since my friend complained I always spell it with "i" at the end...
@DavidPostill Do you have their public relations and complaints number?
 
Just dial any number and talk into the phone, they'll hear you
Actually, don't even bother dialing
 
Snowden didn't like it there due to stress as he left public relations department.
 
@Boris_yo They have a Public Relations twitter account. You can complain there twitter.com/nsa_pr :)
 
5:45 PM
@BenN How are they able to listen to numerous calls at the same time?
 
It was a joke :)
 
@BenN I am sure they employ bots with algorithms to listen to calls. They would not have a budget to employ humans.
 
@DavidPostill I didn't know they are into t-shirts selling. It's really a burning trend now.
 
email: nsapao@nsa.gov
Contact Us

National Security Agency
9800 Savage Rd., Suite 6272
Ft. George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000
301-688-6524
 
5:49 PM
@DavidPostill Thanks. The design on Twitter sucks. I have designed something better which I intended to sell but will instead offer them reprint rights.
 
@Boris_yo I'd normally talk about how there is a good diversity of people on StackExchange (inc. Joel Spolsky) and that some might be offended by that statement, but I have to work on my game.
 
"I'm the CEO, co-founder, and inventor of Stack Overflow, I'm gay, American, and married, and have taken a lot of crap over the years for all three of those things..." - which three have you taken crap for? :P — daveaglick Jun 26 '15 at 17:49
 
@arda My friend was offended when I showed him how it is spelled in English.
 
@Boris_yo You need new friends then :/
 
Joel's post has a great paragraph: "On Stack Overflow we don't care if you're black, white, brown, or purple, as long as you know the answer to a programming question, you'll get the upvote. We don't care if you're straight, gay, bi, trans, queer, asexual, intersexual, questioning, poly, or a sandwich, we only care if you're right. That's a fundamental, core value of Stack Overflow. Whoever you are, you are equal in our eyes."
 
5:59 PM
...and guess what: this touchscreen failure is not merely a rumor.
Cause: BGA underfill failure below the touchscreen controller chip. The material used to fill the space between the BGA solder balls can be damaged due to device bending, causing the touchscreen controller to detach from the PCB.
This is the same issue that caused the infamous NVIDIA G84/G86 GPU failures affecting select GeForce 8000 and 9000 series parts.
hmm. So it turns out there's no underfill at all below the touchscreen controller.
That, of course, makes the BGA soldering job that much more fragile.
From the repair shop reporting the issue: mendonipadrehab.com/entries/general/…
 
6:21 PM
@bwDraco been watching both Louis and Jessa report on it for weeks
 
Reading material for anyone in 183.83.0.0/16 (located in network area of Telangana and Kashmir region of India):
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/50607/malware/linux-pnscan-return.html
 
#bendgate
 
#gategate
 
This is what happens when someone like Apple refuses to formally address a hardware defect in a widely-used electronic product. You get storms of failure reports and you're left in a position where you have to
1) face it directly and admit wrongdoing, satisfying disgruntled customers but risking a loss of sales to bad publicity and/or crippling legal action; or
2) try to hide it and hope the issue goes away, and potentially lose the subset of customers who experienced the problem and are dissatisfied.
brb.
 
there is actually a third options
3) demonize the outgroup as cause for spreading rumors about the flaws
 
6:34 PM
Hi guys!
I have an issue with my GPU Cooler.
It's not working, however it IS plugged in.
 
Which GPU and what specific card model? Might it be in some type of "silent mode"?
 
@arda #christinaapplegate
 
It's ATI Radeon 6500 HD Series. @tereško
With an odd fan that side-cools.
 
@Mokubai @billgates
 
6:53 PM
Most graphics card fans are connected to a fan header on the board. Is the fan connected?
(on cellular data right now)
(never mind, noticed that you said it's plugged in)
If you have a multimeter, does the header output a nonzero voltage?
Are you able to connect the fan to another 12V source to test it?
Got an errand to run, may need some time to respond.
 
7:29 PM
@John sounds a bit old. Maybe the fan(s) have just died
 
 
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8:58 PM
@arda wow that's awesome! teşekkürler:)
 
9:16 PM
@halilpazarlama ne demek, her zaman :)
(for the non-turkish: not even worth mentioning, anytime)
 
 
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10:46 PM
 
What are those. Voltage regulator boot?
I grok Voltage regulator. I understand boot. But no the combination.
 
Its safe to say that connecting those two headers together would be a very bad idea, my EE knowledge, is limited.
Some guy has a PC which wont turn on
I suspect his motherboard is fried personally
Took me awhile to determine what VRM stood for :$
 
Voltage regulator which you plug in as a module next to your pentium-pro CPU's :)
At least, if you are as old as me.
Ditto on some more recent server board
Always fun when someone made two dual socket, 1 CPU installed servers into a single dual CPU system.
People always got the CPUs, memory and disks. But rarely the VRMs
Edit summary:
1'"()&%<acx><ScRiPt >I85t(9179)</ScRiPt>
Whut?
 
Attempt at XSS
 
Ah.
 
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