Right. Back home and on the desktop

Which question ?

@Boris_yo uhm, what is a good heatsink? Efficient? Or silent?

An efficient one causes lots of turbulence which cools better and makes more noise

I just removed more than 12,000 language parts and pieces from windows. almost a gig of crap (including updates and driver language pieces). Just to prove that the MVP at microsoft answers was wrong again :-) it was significant . Now the hard part is it still 100% functional.

@Hennes Oops, I confused thermal paste with heatsink. I think I need thermal paste for laptop to apply under heatsink.

I used artic silver. Worked better then the stuff I had before and I got a small amount with my Nehelems cooler.

@Psycogeek Is it still 100% functional? Which Windows was that? And how come you are smarter than MVP?

@Hennes What do you think of this? dx.com/p/…

@Boris_yo Not smarter than MVP, just ticked off at them justifying some aspects of pig programming. They have language packs, but keep including more and more language parts and pieces strrewn about the system. win7 64.

@Psycogeek You just debunked them and everybody saw it?

and of course it isnt not just MS. all the pig drivers and pig software, known for loading up the registry and disk spaces, also Asks what language you are, then proceeds to install All of them :-) (some people need 2 , so they give me like 30)

@Boris_yo I could debunk them, if i could do the same thing to 1MILLION operating computers and have them all work 100% :-) but see that cant happen, because most of them computers will already have problems.

@Psycogeek Why not just make languages downloadable or come on additional media?

@Boris_yo Well i am all for being fair to others, so i understand the Global aspect of it, I just want them to spend as much time cleaning up as they do loading in.

Did you hear about the new update that DOES (happy day) clean up lapped updates of updates, solving one aspect of the thing growing uncontrolably and for no real usefull reason.

@Hennes People say thermal paste is very liquid. Is that alright?

Nah. Both were, well, paste. (at least at room temperature)

Just remember not to add too much.

@Psycogeek Windows Update? No I didn't. But I know how to clean Windows Updates and their junk that is no longer used so to free space.

One or two rice grain sized parts should do. It needs to form a very thin layer

The goal is to let the heatsink transfer the heat. Not the paste.

The paste is just there to fill the small holes in the polished heatsinks surface.

@Boris_yo By removing the installers, after they have done thier job? I do not think i have done that yet. Also I know that manifests in WinSXS is bad to remove. but what is the "Backup" folder in there , what is its intended purpose?

@Psycogeek I remember entering some command in command prompt that removed unused files and free me 5GBs of space... I think WinSXS and Windows Updates are different?

@Boris_yo yes different. so you did the automated SP1 service pack update removal thing?

@Psycogeek Something along this...

that pops the one SP1 update package out and makes SP1 permenent. Because i always delay purchacing till bugs are fixed, I use a win7 SP1 dvd install to begin with.

Now they basically have the same thing, in one of the "recommended" updates where it scavenges updates that have been on for long and superceeded or whatever. adding more aspects to thier scavenging.

Course scavenging is a bad word for it :-) because Hoarders can be scavengers. This is more like the Trash Guy

blogs.technet.com/b/joscon/archive/2011/02/15/…

@Hennes I think thermal compund comes in 3 substances: silver, grease and silicone. I wonder which is better or better depending in certain aspects.

Plenty of reviews on that.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermal-paste-performance-benchmark,3616.html

Review of 39 of them (2013 version)

@Boris_yo the problem with the reviews is they dont test it for 5+ years first. so I have still been sticking with the AS5. also after seeing very little diff in anything else anyways.

Aye. Not much you can do about that though.

@Psycogeek What bad could happen after 5 years?

Everytime i peel back the AS5 stuff it looks pretty much like it did the day it was put on, just squished down more.

Hey guys... As a continuation of a discussion I was having here yesterday, does anyone here know how I can try out the metro mode in the dev builds of Chrome?

@Boris_yo Well at first it was the white stuff from radioshack, then better versions of that, and in about 1 year it was a dried out mess under there. Then they came out with special stuff like diamond dust (where you going to get it from) and it does a bit of grinding the whole time. Now they have pure metals, and it dies completly in a year. So i trudge back to the old school again. The thicker AS5 paste junk with lotsa silver, that has years of use and zero change

focalprice.com/CX0172S/HY710_Thermal_Grease_1_gpack_Silver.html

@Boris_yo get the wrong stuff and you might as well go to radioshack and put the old white solicon crap on :-) (they say) that many of the cheap thermal goop , and clones and all are just painted silver. which is weird because silver paint is more conductive than AS5 :-)

@Psycogeek ebay.com/sch/Fans-Heatsinks-Cooling-/42000/…

So you would be better off getting stuff from a shop, or a friend that comes with a cooler package or something. Even 2 of the high branded therml goops were complete fraud, had zero metals in them.

And how much metal is important if you have not done it before. so a ceramic or diamonds one, wont ever cause a problem from slop. Wheras AS5 is not totally conductive, but it is capacitive, and given the right conditions it could be very bad to have it land in the wrong place. I still put on more than i should :-) and i know better by now.

@Psycogeek Branded were fraud? How brands can afford this to themselves?

@Boris_yo They retracted thier claim agreed with the assessment (blaming the people they bought it from) and pulled the product. I have some respect for thier handling of the situation, as opposed to saying the review and the lab tests were wrong.

"As of October 21, 2013 Amazon's minimum order size for free shipping has changed to $35."

I think i know how to test it though, if that helps. If you take a blow torch to one that is supposed to have metal solids in it, instead of All of it smoking off, it starts turning all red , it was like a glowing amber. After the test it was a dusty stuff, i thought i would clump together in a ugly ingot ..

This one looks good...

amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Performance-Thermal-Paste/dp/…

Notice list price and current price

I have tested the CM that comes with thier coolers, it also passed the metals test. but it is thinner, and i do not think it lasts as long, which is weird, because some of thier sinks have the gaps that need fill, so they could use thickness.

Remember how terribly thick the "stock" intel sinks goop is, it is almost like a "pad" it only moves under very high heat, and stays "too thick" i dont like it much. the CM is the opposite being too thin, but should still work.

@Psycogeek More important does it dry out soon? Or maintains itself for long term?

LLYtech has a very good rating for an amzon seller.

@Boris_yo well that is what i been saying (to much) I still rely on AS5 only beccause i aint taking this stuff apart again if i dont have to.

so if it is 2 degrees different in the tests (ever) and It always as good as years later, then that is what i want. People who change thier gear more often, or have water coolers that require maintance might have different needs.

@Psycogeek People who change often can use cheap chinese?

@Boris_yo That to for sure, you never know what your getting even from the most reliable places. because a distributer of the product could rip the store off. critical enough and going to the source themselves is a guarentee.

@Psycogeek How could distributor rip store off? By offering fake? What would he do with original? Isn't this a crime?

@Boris_yo they could do it to get rich :-) some of this stuff costs $40 like the metal stuff, and is only a few grams of metals. All they have to do is blame someone else :-)

go get some jewlers diamond dust from a diamond shaper , which is trash, and slop it into some brake greace , put it in a tiny container , and charge $20 a wack .

@Psycogeek Distributors blame somebody else?

we sure know when it goes dry though. even when Most of the connection is supposed to be metal to metal, or metal to chip, if you dont use it your temps can be terrible.

@Boris_yo Hands in the pot, everybody looking for a deal, so they can make a good profit.

<--- just got abducted out of the chat room by aliens

wow

metacritic.com/game/pc/dota-2/…

stupid ppl

fuck yeah -- I won out in Hearthstone Arena =D

In the arena, you create a deck of 30 cards, by selecting one card each from 30 rounds of three randomly selected cards from the entire game. Then you get to continue play with that deck until you either win 9 games or lose 3 games, whichever comes first.

I earned enough gold from my winnings to fund another arena deck, and then some :D

and if my next deck does as well as the first one, it should be possible for me to keep the gold going for one more deck before I have to play ranked matches for gold

!! no

@Gowtham i.stack.imgur.com/M0Ngk.png

wtf perl

apparently $| controls autoflush of... the last opened file handle?

 Examples

No, really, don't use it. This element is deprecated. It is not implemented anymore.

no clue

in other news, my 20 MB FF session file was randomly replaced with 20 MB of nul characters

@Bob Means data is lost?

@Bob I've seen that issue a lot

Never figured out the cause

@Bob its probably the browser screaming out in pain

What's up with 2000BC and 1940AC?

@JourneymanGeek perhaps :P

restored a backup from two days ag... which had 400 more tabs

just spent an hour closing them all again

lol

Bummer, if they replace motherboard with new one I will have to buy new Windows license? Here goes money for part replacement + another Windows license.

@OliverSalzburg it was the second consecutive crash of FF

for some reason my computer locked up twice today. hrm.

@Boris_yo not unless it's an OEM licence, and even then you have some leeway if you call them

@Bob But motherboard will be same as original. It is not upgrade. Still OEM will refuse to work?

> and even then you have some leeway if you call them

@Bob Do you think their online chat assist me or I have to phone country where my laptop was purchased?

@Boris_yo: usually no

if its similar enough hardware and its the same HDD, it quite often just ignores the change

Found answer by referring link:

If motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reason's other than defect - what would be other motive to replace motherboard if not upgrading or replacing defective?

Replacing for fun?

@Boris_yo: off warranty failures

for example if your cat pissed on your system and the motherboard shorted out due to that

@JourneymanGeek And is not covered by warranty? Well, you are right! Without warranty I will not be able to negotiate with laptop manufacturer for same motherboard?

not for free, no

Seriously, can customer of laptop's manufacturer order replacement parts through him if out of warranty?

thats an extreme case but its a perfectly good example

@Boris_yo normally they don't care where you purchased it, for the purpose of activation

in many cases, yeah

BUT I've swapped HDDs between identical systems with no real issues

@Boris_yo depends on the manuf

HP sells spare parts, often through third parties, but they're bloody expensive

@JourneymanGeek Not really good because Bob said it does not matter whether replacement motherboard is purchased from manufacturer. I guess this disqualifies reason you offered @JourneymanGeek

I've found identical parts from cheap Chinese suppliers off alibaba and similar for half the price... dunno if they're as 'good', though

what?

I never mentioned anything about it "mattering" where a replacement mobo came form

check which comment I replied to (hover over the comment or click the little arrow) - I said Microsoft doesn't normally care which country you purchased it in

ffs

@JourneymanGeek yay a set of batteries arrived with one of the torches

on the other hand, they're dodgy ultrafire ones :S

@Bob I thought you were talking about origin of purchase of replacement part which did not matter for purpose of license activation but you talked about purchase lcoation of Windows for license activation.

and same charger you have, which is honestly dodgy as all fuck

@Boris_yo that's why you look at which comment I'm replying to

click the arrow on the left of the reply!

@JourneymanGeek no idea when the good one will get here, if ever :(

chose a very bad time to order it, what with the lithium batt crackdown and all

@Bob Do I look like n00b? I know but some people do not mark their reply to comment. Surprisingly some just @ you and when you hover your mouse, you see upper dialogs get grayed out.

@Boris_yo Well, you didn't check mine, when I quite clearly did do a message-reply.

@Bob If they don't care, I can either call USA customer service or where I live?

@Bob I think only russia allows air shipping of lithium batteries.

@Bob The best 18650 are located inside new laptop's battery.

@Boris_yo "unless replacement is for defect"

@Braiam That's the point. If you replace defective motherboard, replacement part must be from identical series so OS will see that motherboard was not upgraded and it is same computer because OS license is tied to that motherboard.

the problem is that you want to see a problem where there isn't, it says unless, so everything said before hand doesn't apply if X condition is present

@Braiam Then explain why identical series motherboard required if you buy new license?

the first statement becomes invalid, just that. You are doing a replacement because a defect that gives you a blank check to buy any mobo

they can't force you to get the same mobo if, for example, the part isn't available

@Braiam With laptop mobo it is not the case. I want replacement for original working mobo.

@Boris_yo dunno, but I don't think they check

@Boris_yo eh, also far more expensive, and I'm having a ltitle more trouble sourcing a good charger than the batteries

@Boris_yo there's nothing in the EULA that says that, nor anything that really quantified what's considered the same computer

basically, call them and explain

@Bob You checked online discussion about recommended charger?

unless that one key has had a ridiculous number of activations on it, they usually don't care and just activate it if you give a reasonably good explanation

@Boris_yo knowing which are good is one thing. getting one in my hands is a different matter entirely

@Bob google.co.il/…

That's link to PDF I took screenshot from.

I cannot paste full link because Google does not show full URL. If I click link, I get PDF download.

@Bob Out of stock?

out of stock? ha! no local suppliers at all. there's no out of stock, there's no stock in the first bloody place

the only proper place to find non-OEM EULAs => microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/UseTerms/…

OEM EULAs are best foound from the manufacturer, as in what specifically came with the machine - because they can have slightly different terms

@Bob Why you are buying locally?

@Boris_yo when I said that you can't get the same mobo?

@Boris_yo I'm not.

Overseas postage takes ages, costs a ton, and is currently completely fucked concerning batteries.

I said I'm having trouble sourcing one, not that I need to go and find another one.

@bob basically you are all screwed over, without hope

@Bob I thought you wanted charger? Overseas postage from china websites costs a ton?

@Boris_yo no idea where you found that, but that is not legal language and there is no mention of a motherboard in the default OEM EULA.

Whether your OEM has different terms is up to you to find out.

> This document is for informational purposes only. Microsoft makes no warranties express or implied in this document. If there is any conflict between this document and Microsoft license terms, the license terms govern. © 2011 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

@Bob Found it using keywords "windows license if laptop motherboard replace"

See, they even say that.

In any case, this is all a moot point - you're replacing for defect, not upgrading.

And, again, if you just call them and tell them you replaced a broken mobo, they will help you activate it.

@Bob they say that id there is any misinformation presented in their document, then Microsoft license terms override?

I like how everyone makes disclaimer serving to protect them from liabilities.

Eh, litigious society.

Just what surgeon doctors need!

@Bob That's because everybody doesn't know anything and is affraid of words.

Like buying money making ebook that has same disclaimer. That's probably why they are called scam.

What is default CPU cycles on Dosbox? I seem to changed it intentionally and want it back. Can auto-CPU cycles be set?

@Boris_yo haven't seen "software 3D" (on the CPU?!?!?!) in a long time :) DSound3D Software Emulation is basically emulation of the "3D" sound effect API of DirectSound, which is basically positional audio (meaning that even if you have headphones, they can modify sounds to make it sound like a bee is buzzing around your head)... don't worry your CPU can handle it :P

o.O

@JourneymanGeek lowendbox.com/blog/…

two IPv4 addresses for $15/year on a 512MB box?

thats... unusual

also, 2TB bandwidth and 50GB of disk space. there's... something weird going on

@Bob Hetzner wants $1 per month per IP address, so that's not bad value

you're almost getting the box free and just paying for the IPs

@allquixotic yea, that's a pretty standard price

yeah that is

> Recently, they have acquired some IP space directly from ARIN and have their own AS (AS62639).

I guess that sorta explains it.

1 dollar per month per ip address is normal too

ok, who starred @JourneymanGeek's comment about my browser? D:

they're kinda new though

@JourneymanGeek yep, only a few months

@Bob the CPUs aren't all that impressive, though -- fairly low throughput, low-power Nehalems

those boxes are absolutely loaded with RAM, which tells me that they're trying to fit maybe 16 or 32 VMs to a box

@allquixotic wouldn't expect much on the CPU side from a VPS

I can see that being profitable if they're grabbing some of those damn $50/month L5520 servers

I tend to prefer hosts that have been around for 2-3 years ;p

yea. I'm dropping bandwagon after that year's up

@allquixotic: or buying them

$10/month for 512 was good, but I'm getting weird connection issues :\

$6/month for the 2GB box is quite nice, and the disks are in "RAID 10" (is that hardware RAID 10? idk)

even weirder, it works fine if I proxy through another VPS, or if I access port 80 (webserver) from the same machine - so, probably not their fault

still, it's too hard for me to use :P

@allquixotic $6/month for 2GB could be considered high for a "low end" VPS, especially with such a new provider

@allquixotic There is DSound3D Hardware Emulation yes? This means it is for dedicated sound card that will take a load away from CPU?

@Bob from my perspective, that's a great value -- but I'd probably end up going for something closer to $10/month if it would ensure that I get a larger I/O and CPU allocation, even if it means that I'm allowed to actually use the resources I buy, instead of these LEBs that are like, "if you do anything at all, we'll cut you off"

@Boris_yo If sound is causing excessive CPU load, you need a new CPU.

@Boris_yo if you have a hardware sound card that does DirectSound3D, then it's not Emulation

@allquixotic Looking at comments, they (used to?) restrict I/O quite severely.

@Bob that's what I mean :P

And, again, new hosts typically are cheaper because you have no guarantee they'll always be around.

A relatively (compared to the wider world) cheap VPS can be had from RamNode or Prometeus, and they're nice mature hosts.

the other extreme of VPSes is Linode, which is $40/month for a 2 GB VPS, but you literally can absolutely peg every resource you're given (bandwidth, CPU and I/O, even all at the same time) and not only will you get those resources, but they won't complain

@allquixotic Oy right. And I am sure such card will be capable of more due to additional features?

But 2GB RAM from RamNode? $30/month for an OVZ server.

Heck, may as well get a dedi at that point.

@Bob that's better -- and they don't overload them?

@allquixotic Probably not.

Again, RamNode is considered very established and one of the best "low end" suppliers.

@Boris_yo no -- generally, cards supporting DirectSound3D are very old, like, early 2000s PCI cards... the only true hardware sound cards these days are for professional audio, and they do things like hardware routing, 192 KHz @ 32-bit sampling, exotic protocols and connectors, etc

the exact same features that the old DSound3D hardware used to support can be run on your CPU with no problem these days

> Client agrees not to run any processes on his or her VPS which create a CPU load above .9 on the VPS for an extended period of time or which cause a high CPU load on the host node for an extended period of time. In other words, client agrees not to use the equivalent of a full core for him or herself for an extended period of time. Disruptive CPU usage may result in a reboot, shutdown, and/or suspension of the VPS regardless of the time lapse involved.

Apart from that:

COMMONLY QUESTIONED USES

The following are acceptable uses provided they comply with the rest of this AUP:

    IRC
    Source games
    Minecraft servers
    VPN
    Adult material
    Torrents (Only allowed in US locations; must be limited to 20Mbps total)

STRICTLY FORBIDDEN USES

The following are strictly forbidden uses and will result in immediate termination if discovered on your account:

    TOR Exit Nodes
    CamFrog Video Hosting
    Virtual Currency (*coin) Mining
    HentaiAtHome

the whole "we need sound cards with hardware on them because sound is CPU expensive!" comes from the days before the SIMD instruction sets were introduced on modern processors

so, still more restricted than Linode, but far more lenient than most (and probably oversold) VPS providers

SIMD instructions like SSE/SSE2/SSE3/SSE4/etc. have absolutely eliminated any need for sound hardware, unless you're talking, like, insane bitrates and sample rates

most disallow game servers at all

at 44.1 KHz or 48 KHz, 16-bit or 24-bit, it's absolutely okay to run it on the CPU

@Bob wtf is HentaiAtHome? O.o

@allquixotic Don't know, don't want to know...

@Bob wtf @ HentaiAtHome

@OliverSalzburg is that like Folding@Home? :D

@allquixotic I just googled it and it raised more WTFs

@allquixotic damn it, I just searched -_-

> Hath (for Hentai at Home) is one of E-Hentai currencies. It is considered the most valuable one.

maybe they're trying to create Hentai by randomly generating video from RNGs in a distributed computing grid

wat

> Running the Hentai@Home client. The amount of Hath that a client gets depends on its actual speed and 24-hour average hit rate.

@allquixotic Apparently, yes! o.O

@Bob rofl.

why am I at work today? ? Gahauh O_O

@JimmyHoffa you're going to need four TITAN-era Tesla GPGPUs.

Do you have $20000 laying around?

O.O

From what I understand it's a distributed network for downloading stuff from hentai galleries :D

I don't... wat.

Oh

@allquixotic I could, have you got $20000 laying around, and what's your address?

@JimmyHoffa I said YOU. Pay no attention to the thousands of dollars of cash just laying on my bedroom floor.

...brb clearing browser history

@Bob be nice if a mod came by and wiped out all the Hen ...bad messages too

it's pretty funny that that host had to mention that specific product as if people will try to run it

lol, well, that's distributed image... server (?), I would like to see the day internets like that

@allquixotic oh they will...

@allquixotic ya, I wonder how that came about

@Braiam that actually sounds semi-useful for certain things but not for that particular use case

I mean useful, yes, but no ordinary people would want to run that :P

and why they had to mention that specifically rather than just the whole distributed computing/hosting class as a general

they don't even mention SETI@Home

@Bob that's particularly odd that they don't mention SETI@home or Folding@home or BOINC, because those programs chew through all kinds of resources

@Scorpion Welcome to Root Access chat for Super Users! I am this channel's helpful chat bot. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help. For bot commands, type !!listcommands

because "SETI@Home" means CPU loads while the other thing means upload bandwidth

if they're going to start listing programs, they can't just stop at Bittorrent and, ah, some weirdo thing

@allquixotic Except... they allow BT (with restrictions)

@Bob O.o

@allquixotic So if I want to enjoy 7.1 sound, I don't need to invest in any sound card these days but into good speakers? I remember early people told you had to invest in both to get quality sound.

lol, that's completely insane then! "We allow adult material!" "We allow bittorrent!" "You are NOT allowed to transmit adult material using a protocol that is very similar to, but not identical to bittorrent!"

also, that other one (the 2GB for $6/month one):

> Customer's programs and services may not use more than 90% of one CPU core per process thread for more than 15 minutes. Customer's programs and services will be limited to 90% of 1 CPU core if found to be using more than 90% of one CPU core per process thread.

I... don't understand why they have to make it so complicated.

Why not just limit the whole thing to 90% at all times and be done with it?

And:

> Subscriber's programs and services may not use more than 200% of two CPU cores for more than 2 minutes.

How the...

@Boris_yo right -- the CPU does a fine job of processing the audio, and the DAC on your motherboard is probably very good also

@allquixotic Presumably lots of people hitting it at once (num of connections)?

But... BT does that.

:S

@Bob so basically, tar xvzf phpbb-whatever.tar.gz will get you disconnected

CSB

this is why I run a damn dedicated server

THIS right here

lol

VPS bullshit T&C's

the trick is finding one that doesn't have a bullshit AUP -_-

hey guys, i'm trying to install a fresh windows 7 onto a new SSD, and I get a blinking underscore after i insert my usb stick

@Bob the ones that don't, like Linode and EC2, are insanely expensive -- more than a dedi

and I'm pretty much just using them for low-CPU hosting

Anyone know how to solve this?

still trying to get a dedi for the CPU-intensive stuff

@Scorpion how did you create the USB stick?

copy paste iso @allquixotic

@Scorpion umm..........

@allquixotic as I said earlier, there's a bunch that have far more lenient restrictions

you're saying you have a USB stick with the .iso file just on the filesystem?

well actually i had an iso and extracted files, so both @allquixotic

@allquixotic yes, "umm......." is about the right reaction

@allquixotic So I just need to have software emulation these days and good speakers? What if I want EAX? Can software emulate this?

that won't work.

nono the iso and the extracted files

i just left the iso there though @allquixotic