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9:00 PM
ooh, mmm... GW2 is fixed :3
 
does it strike anyone else as funny that it's cheaper to run Linux on Windows Azure than to run Windows?
they should at least give people a free pass on running Windows on Azure if you're going to rent their infrastructure
otherwise they're saying "use Linux, it's cheaper!"
 
Now I'm back to being CPU bottlenecked :3
I totally want to overclock but it's a pain and time consuming
 
@BenRichards is GW2 as much of a treadmill as GW1?
 
Treadmill?
 
linear progression... ding every X number of hours etc and then nothing to do once you're maxed
 
9:03 PM
Oh. Not as much. It plays different than other MMORPGs though. You just have to get used to the play style, otherwise you will feel bored.
I got a good several hundred hours out of Guild Wars 1 though, so I never really had an issue :P
So long as you have a good guild, it remains fun.
 
@BenRichards I got a lot out of GW1 too, but if GW2 is just GW1 with better graphics, I'm not interested
 
Oh hell no :P
It's much much better, IMO.
And you can actually jump! ;)
 
lol
 
No dumb /jump emote :P
They have free trial periods you can take advantage of. Also, it's not that expensive at this point to get into. I think it's about $30 or something?
Still no monthly fee
 
I'll probably be playing Hearthstone, Planetside 2 and Galactic Civilizations III until Star Citizen starts to ramp up towards being playable, and then I'll drop everything and play Star Citizen for a long time( starting around Q4 2014)
 
9:07 PM
Oh cool :P
I have Planetside 2 but haven't played it very much
 
I'm in a pretty good outfit in Planetside 2... TR on Mattherson server
 
It's fun, but just hasn't gotten me hooked yet
Ah. I totally forgot what server I'm on, and what faction :P
 
I'm hooked because of the potential positive results of good squad/platoon tactics, voice comms, etc
and it's very skill based game
 
True. I kinda have to join random squads because most of my friends are into console gaming :P
 
occasionally I do some pretty neat things all by myself, though
 
9:09 PM
Yeah
If you can get out of the spawn/killed/spawn/killed spiral :P
 
one time I was defending a capture point in a small room in an outpost, and a long stream of six NC came in like lemmings, one, two, three, four, and I kept popping them and healing up and surviving
 
Nice
 
I got taken out by a MAX finally but that's not fair because I didn't have my decimator out lol
 
I like the certification process in PS2 a lot -- you can either specialize in one thing or spread your certs out across many things
 
9:10 PM
Yeah
I got things to do today so I'll be going
 
right now I'm a pretty badass heavy assault with most of the certs maxed, and several good guns with attachments for various ranges, and I'm working on getting a stealthy AMS sunderer (the one that deploys and lets people spawn at it)
kk o/
 
Thanks for the pointers, @Psycogeek. It led me to where I needed to go
See ya @allquixotic
:)
 
@BenRichards let me know what server and faction you are lol
 
@allquixotic I'll check now :P
Then I'll go
Oh, are you on steam?
 
yeah
 
9:12 PM
I have it installed through there. You on my friends list?
 
I don't think so
 
Let's fix that! :P
 
i can add you on my phone lol
 
ok :P
106 MB update to PS2 :P
 
fast internet?
 
9:13 PM
Yeah
Better than other updates I had :P
I actually did launch it not that long ago
Yes
 
i have a good memory lol
 
And you can delete that :P
lol
 
hey it used to be your display name on SE
 
I know :P
Thanks ;)
Mattherson and char name is Leonidas
 
same server, hmm, what faction?
it's really simple: red, blue, or purple?
red = TR, blue = NC, purple = VS
VS goes pew pew with energy weapons; NC uses big honkin' guns that fire slow; and TR just fires a ton of weak bullets in a hail of destruction >:)
 
9:18 PM
@sammy I remember 25 ports being the default for oth serial and paralel ports. Andf then the PC showing up with a cripled printer port (sort of paralel, but most pins as output only) and two serial ports, one using 25 pins, one using 9 pins.
And LPT headers are nice for simple external devices.
Or as a soundcard.
The Covox Speech Thing (also known as Covox plug) was an external audio device attached to the computer to output digital sound. It was composed of the most primitive 8-bit DAC using a resistor ladder and an analogue signal output, and plugged into the printer port of the PC. The circuit was marketed around 1986 by Covox, Inc of Eugene, Oregon, for about 70 USD (79.95 USD as of 1989), but as its parts were much cheaper than the complete plug, and as its design was fairly simple, people soon started to build their own variants. The plug was used long into the 1990s, as sound cards were sti...
paralel port sound cards. Usually home made.
 
The VTech Socrates was an educational video game console released in 1988 by VTech. The console featured a robot character Socrates, named after the philosopher. The character is visually similar to Johnny Five from the Short Circuit movies. The system featured standard wireless controllers that communicated via infrared reception. In Germany, the system was sold by "Yeno" under the name "Prof. Weiss-Alles" [sic]. Games Many games cartridges were available for the Socrates including: Facts 'N Fractions, State to State, Memory Mania, Around the World, Hodge Podge, Game Wizard and Amazi...
a keyboard with an ABCD layout. lol
i remember Socrates from when i was a little kid
 
@allquixotic VS
The augment guys
 
@BenRichards argh >_<
 
Yeah but I can make another character :P
He's still in the single digits w/ level :P
 
you! you are the cause of the ZOE MAX problem! .... damn VS... figures... mumble
 
9:22 PM
lol
Add me on steam
I'll accept eventually :P gotta go
 
i will, when i get home, my phone is being an idiot
 
Ok cool :) See ya
 
si er, your old SE display name for steam, and Leon of Greece for your VS traitor
 
:P
Yup, see ya
 
bye
...traitor
 
9:34 PM
Not sure if to take PS resembling gamepad with dual shock and 2 sticks or without... Maybe sticks will interfere with gameplay. What they are for anyway?
 
@boris_yo Yes and no. With less PCI-e lanes you loose bandwidt to the card. But not raw GPU speed. Thus bitmining or password cracking on a GPU would still work at the expect high speeds. But if you are loading a lot of image data then yes, that will be slower.
And it is not just 'laptops vs desktop'
But many desktops have one or more PCI-e x16 slots (e.g. mine has 3 x16 slots, a x4 and a x1). And many laptops have one cardbus, and possible a mini PCI-e or two.
This also depends a lot on the model used.
Many modern CPU have a PCI-e controller on the CPU die, but that is still space limited and often only has room for 16 or 20 lanes
While older chipsets supported much more (e.g. 40 lanes in my Intell 5000 chipset on a Dell Poweredge R300), and 42 on the Intel X58 chipset. (i920 CPU with no lanes. All PCI-e lanes from the northbridge and a few from the soundbridge)
 
@Hennes Bandwidth is transfer rate while GPU speed is processing of that transferred data? So if GPU will be faster than bandwidth, where GPU will hold processed data that transfer must yet transfer away?
 
@Boris_yo Just like all IO operations, it will block while waiting for previous transfer to finish effectively slowing the amount of work it can accomplish as though it were running at lower clock
 
@Hennes What amount of lanes is good for optimal performance of mid-to-high graphics card today?
 
@Boris_yo 32 lanes is ideal if you can't find one of the modern 64 lane slots
 
9:41 PM
@JimmyHoffa Oh so it's adjustment to achieve balance?
 
if you SLI two 24 lane cards though you'll be alright
 
@Boris_yo nods
4 should suffice.
There are a lot of benchmarks and for games (on high settings) performance drops by 4% to 10% if they reduced bandwidth from 16 lanes down to 8 or eveb down to 4
 
@JimmyHoffa You mean there are PCIe x32 and PCIe x64?
 
@Boris_yo and x128! x256 is coming out in a couple months, as a part of PCIe v6.0
 
9:44 PM
@Hennes PCIe x1 causes noticeable drop in performance though.
 
More lanes means more physical traces
So they usually avoid that
 
Is 352 Mbit/s a decent throughput for Gigabit Ethernet with Cat 5e cable?
 
PCI-e v1 was 2.5GHz signalling.
PCI-e v2 was 5.0GHz signalling. Doubling the speed but not the hardware
 
@Boris_yo Still looking at the numbers, for a laptop, that enclosure thing with a quality card on PCIe x1 would be pretty kickass.
 
PCI-e v3 was is 8.0GHz signalling with more efficient encoding
 
9:46 PM
@Boris_yo Notice the drop is noticeable, but it's a drop to something that's still way better than what most laptop discrete cards ever manage to pull off
 
Aye
It will use a lot of power though.
 
This is on die? I wanted to know what bus it uses.
Magic School Bus anyone?
 
No, intel HD3000/4000 is often shared RAM.
 
@Hennes That's why the enclosure needs a PSU. I have a high quality 380w one if anyone wants to buy it for their laptop enclosure :D it would actually be perfect to run any GPU, dual fan modular with all the hookups you need for a graphics card
 
So main laptop memory
 
9:49 PM
@Hennes External power ATX on circuit on that adapter.
 
@Hennes I haven't even tried my built-in iGPU since upgrading my machine... I should see how it does, it is Haswell it might do surprisingly OK...
 
For non games it will be fine
 
@Hennes It does not use system bus? I mean There's AGP x2 x4 x8 and there's PCI. All these are buses, correct?
 
@Boris_yo AGP isn't a bus, it's a deformity that some motherboards grew in the early part of the last decade.
 
PCI uses a bus with multiple devices on it. If one device is busy then the rest of the bus has to wait.
AGP is a sort of dedicated PCI bus
PCI-e is point to point link
 
9:53 PM
@JimmyHoffa Why deformity? It's a high-speed point-to-point channel superseded by PCI express. They all must use some kind of physical paths? Bus is what those physical paths.
@Hennes It also waits if one device is busy? Or it shares lanes among devices and works like "router"?
 
i am playing avi in KMPLAYER but see no picture
it's avi
probably some codec that i am missing?
i installed all in 1 codec...
so there should be installed all codecs that are needed
it is possible to play the file in VLC
 
You like KMPLAYER better than VLC?
 
yes
i am in love with KMPLAYER
;o)
of course i can play the video in other players
but it is strange
i think it's a problem of new version of KMPLAYER
i should probably install the old version
 
@Boris_yo PCI-e does not have to wait on other devices. There are dedicated link (the lanes) between the two endpoints on the link.
 
@Hennes Also, PCI-e is web scale.
 
10:04 PM
@Hennes That's better than PCI! But wait, previously could you plug 2 PCI devices to 2 PCI slots (audio board and video card) and enjoy stable music and picture at the same time?
 
Yes, but both devices use less than full bandwidth
PCI usually comes in the 32 bit, 33MHz flavour.
 
not even old version helped
still no picture
 
That means that one 1Gbit NIC can fill all of the PCI bus
twp 1GB NICs on a PCI bus -> both at around half speed
 
@EinsteinsGrandson I did not like it much because it shows advertisements and uses above 30MB of RAM. It also has browsing tabs that open webpages in them. Annoying!
 
yes
the old version means no adds
 
10:06 PM
@Hennes So waiting time between 2 devices is not critical?
 
@Hennes you totally didn't catch the joke... mongodb-is-web-scale.com good funny.
 
Mongodb, what is that?
 
i hate window media player
it's worse than Internet Explorer
Microsoft knows how to make bad products
;o)
 
@Hennes 1Gbit (128MB) vs. 133MB PCI bus? Right.
@JimmyHoffa Ah they used ready templates for animations and text-to-speech robotic voiceover.
 
@Boris_yo The animation isn't what makes it funny
 
10:11 PM
 
PS1 to USB for $2.39
 
december 2008 version works flawlessly
without ads
haha
 
@JimmyHoffa It doesn't but I just recognized the methods this video was created. I didn't read or hear the idea.
@EinsteinsGrandson How you disable ads in new version of KMPLayer?
@Hennes What is the purpose of bus bridge?
 
10:27 PM
@Boris_yo and it works?
 
@Braiam Yes it does according to comments on some websites I read. You can connect PS1 & 2 gamepads, steering wheel and dance pad. This adapter has fragile plastic though.
 
To connect two different busses.
One one side it has the FSB which connects to the CPU, on the other the PCI bus
 
what kind of sadistic pervert wants me to decipher this captcha??
I'm almost sure the hidden number is a 4... but they took the non-seen number into consideration?
OMG, they did!
 
@Hennes It's like controller?
@Braiam 613 space italongr
 
no, 6134 italongr...
 
10:32 PM
In the picture it would be part of the northbridge.
 
@Braiam Skip invisible number, I think it will let you pass. I think algorithm requires at least specific % to be entered correctly to pass.
 
I didn't and I passed...
 
@Hennes And one that is next to ISA slots is south bridge?
@Braiam Told ya!
 
@Boris_yo err... when I said "OMG, they did!" was because I already typed the correct answer: "6134 italongr"
 
No, I think that that was a seperate bus in the time that boards still came with ISA slots.
 
10:35 PM
@Braiam Next time ignore hard number provided you see similar captcha form.
@Hennes Did you know that trolls live under these bridges? Next time you clean your motherboard you might find one.
 
This was an awesome $60 well spent so long as "open box" doesn't mean "doesn't work" which it didn't! Woot! newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236523R
 
That is a more modern schematic
 
I didn't even notice until it arrived that it was a notebook size drive
 
@JimmyHoffa It says $143
 
10:44 PM
@Boris_yo and I got it for $60. 10k says "Enterprise class storage" right on it, sata III 600gb for $60 :D Getting a deal like that makes me feel like such a winner.
Not sure why it was $60 the other day at newegg when I got it and isn't now, musta been one of there one-day sales
 
@Hennes Don't know how I will wrap my head around this...
@JimmyHoffa 10k? 10,000 RPM?
 
@Boris_yo Yep
 
The memory controller has moved from the northbridge to CPU (Intel since i7, AMD since the first opterons). So the memory channels moved and the ancient FSB got replaced by DMI (which is a sort-of-PCIe link)
 
@JimmyHoffa Did you check SMART stats?
 
@Boris_yo Zah?
 
10:48 PM
@JimmyHoffa Uh?
 
@Boris_yo Hoo?
 
@JimmyHoffa Are you alright?
@Hennes Since northbridge has been freed from memory controller, motherboard now has space for additional hardware?
 
@Boris_yo depends
 
Motherboard space never was the issue.
 
@Braiam You seem to know him personally...
 
10:51 PM
CPU space used to be quite limited
 
@Hennes So it is better to move components on CPU or at least as close as possible?
 
The motherboard used to have a lot of components and was expensive.
Until things got concentrated in chips (3 of them)
Chips could keep ever more transistors
 
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So we moved up to 2 chips and the CPU. We callled the chip for high speed transactions the northbridge and moved all the slower stuff to a chip called the southbridge.
Northbridge used to do 1) Memory access 2) Data to and from the CPU. 3) Link to the south bridge. 4) Sometimes PCI/lanes
 
And now it seems we try to move everything on CPU die.
 
10:56 PM
nods.
We seem to get leftover CPU space.
And not enough older fabs for chipsets
So it makes economic sense to move a few items from NB to CPU
 
How does final picture look like for you? @Hennes Do you see future without motherboards?
 
AMD did that long ago with the memory controller nd it was great.
Intel followed a few years ago.
Next were some PCIe lanes moving to the CPU and sometimes limited graphics
What would we do without motherboard?
Were to plug in power? or SAS? Or expansion lanes?
So no, not in the next few decades.
 
@Hennes That's interesting because I thought CPU dies get smaller...
 
The etching gets smaller.
So the same stuff fits on less size.
Image not found ;-)
 
Do you think I should worry about temperatures? dropbox.com/s/m5vkpd6s6ufogpp/2013-10-30%2020.41.23.jpg
This was after CPU and memory testing in BIOS-like environment. It's a laptop.
 
11:06 PM
70C seems quite normal
 
@Hennes It says High.
 
Which CPU?
 
@Hennes i5-2540M
 
Should keep working up to 100C
One sec. Batt. empty
 
@Hennes Battery health is 46% so it's on half of its life.
@Hennes Would you recommend a good place and a good quality of heatsink?
 
11:40 PM
whoot
got a bounty
 
11:55 PM
that Q really attracted lot of attention :O
 

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