Macron will give a hard time to England

@Burgi you reckon Europe V2 will exist shortly? (10 years or so)?

@djsmiley2k lol yeah

will start, UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, maybe Denmark

history will repeat itself

DJSmiley ...erhhh ... I doubt other countries will leave

@AndyK we'll see eh? ;)

@AndyK i was 100% sure the UK would vote to stay...

I have friends who voted for the exit

@Burgi I thought we would, but was never sure

I was surprised how close it was tho.

I don't want to be the one who is giving bad omens but I swear that mistake will be very very costly for England and every countries associated, far or close, to England...

I hoped we would.

@AndyK s/England/the UK/

(potential future events potentially affecting composition of the UK notwithstanding)

speaking of scotland, where is the tartan wearing pseudo-cat TOWMN?

No idea, seems to have vanished again after the last incident

I was talking about the Channel Islands.... not really :P

(they're actually Crown Deps, right? not formally part of UK?)

correct

one of my mate votes for UKIP

we had a tough argument over that

Why?

he is for brexit

Ok.

and I'm against

clearly a lot of people are

your friend is an idiot

52% of the voters, infact

they are all idiots

@Burgi or misinformed.

:)

i wish i could sue nigel farage for lying to the country

that guy is a real populist

same as Le Pen

wealthy as f***

raised in the best school

he claimed we would save £350m per week by leaving then immediately after brexit was confirmed he turned around and said "yeah that was made up"

and pretending to be a chap like anyone else

It was probably "could save up to £350M / week" or something equally meaningless

@Burgi This ithe idea behind my voting system

'Poor' Nigel Farage finds it hard to get by on £109,000 a year plus expenses

each person who makes a claim has to back it with a financial incentive

Or we could pay them, based on how many promises they actually deliver

it'd stop them lying through their teeth

T&Cs apply, subject to availability, standard disclaimers apply, no purchase necessary, known to cause cancer in the state of California

isn't everything?

> Farage’s total net worth is estimatedly about $3 million as of 2016.

and doesn't forgive

lol

Trump especially

Hah

Just like the CoD dedicated servers thing

did you see the piracy on the thames when bob geldoff attacked him?

While I agree with you that he's one... lets keep our dislike of politicians to... more polite things? ;p

Namecalling is a bit undignified

@JourneymanGeek sorry, I don't think anyone can disagree tho.

@djsmiley2k Warning: Do not look that up on the urban dict :)

Oh, I'd say it to his face.

@DavidPostill LOL

On leaving school in 1982, he decided not to go to university, but to work in the City, trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange.[16] Initially, he joined the American commodity operation of brokerage firm Drexel Burnham Lambert,[18] transferring to Crédit Lyonnais Rouse in 1986.[18] He joined Refco in 1994, and Natexis Metals in 2003.[18]

@djsmiley2k oh, more the general decorum of the room + people who think its funny to flag months old posts ;p

@JourneymanGeek I have a word for them, too

why mods even bother looking at posts older than maybe week tho, confuses me

@djsmiley2k Contrafibularities?

@djsmiley2k shrug its happened

if someone flags something I said in 201...

Not really mods ;p

Who then?

@djsmiley2k @Bob got affected by it

@djsmiley2k general troublemaking sorts I suppose.

people do all sorts of dumb things to do with flags

@JourneymanGeek and stars

@JourneymanGeek yes

@djsmiley2k I've removed your post just to safe :)

stars are harmless fun

but if someones gonna respond to them...

@DavidPostill haha thanks

then the blame half lies with them/the system

@djsmiley2k could be a mod, could be a 10k user with a toothache after Tim Post lost his keys

@DavidPostill @djsmiley2k was he the more phallic of the wombles clan?

my last response stands @JourneymanGeek

If I can't flag a post after <specified time period> for certain reasons, why is chat different?

@djsmiley2k no idea

@Burgi He was the grandest chicken of all.

@djsmiley2k There is no time limit on flagging posts AFAIK.

@DavidPostill hah...

@djsmiley2k someone flagged a few hundred posts for profanity a few weeks back...

@DavidPostill hmmm I'm sure I've seen posts where certain flag options are... gone.

@JourneymanGeek and no one slapped them because?

@djsmiley2k I was complaining about it here...

yah but that didn't fix it :(

essentially the rules on SE are "No Profanity whatsoever"

so he was right

it wastes peoples times.

but I prefer a common sense approach to moderation

As do I

and you're getting in to the murky realms of 'what is profanity?'

Yup

the term you used is unusual and very british

haha yus

"assume makes a donkey out of u and me" doesn't quite have the same ring to it

but does it make it any better if I used a hokkien swearword?

To be fair, nearly anything said with the right inflection can be profane :P

I mean, there's people who deserve that term...

;p

@bertieb You VERY NICE CHAP YOU

@bertieb indeed

@JourneymanGeek Exactly! :P

I mean, I completely agree with the sentiment about mr farange...

though I extend it to a good chunk of major world politicians

In some parts of the world, using 'pal' denotes friendship; in others, it means violence is imminent...

Better stop talking about git in here then ...

@DavidPostill Linus has a lot to answer for

Er yea, and that graphic software... something along the lines of "image manipulation program"....

lol

Unrelatedly, is there an "I did a bad thing with php" sin jar?

because clink I have to confess

lol

I'm not sure there's anything else you can do with PHP....

I thought php was a swear word around here :)

@DavidPostill My girlfriend sometimes me that when she's irritated or annoyed. And then we have a debate over the pronunciation ;P

ugh.... what is the point in jeremy corbyn?

lol @ both of those :P

sotto voce I am my own email inbox for the purposes of demo, hardcoded everything up to and including password, and copy+pasted liberally

@DavidPostill P*****S****

@Rahul2001 not sure how else to pronunce it?

@Burgi To give the rest of the Labour Party Tories something to laugh at

In my defence, father, it's a one-shot thing which won't be seen again after the 1 minute it'll be used for tomorrow

@Burgi You could say that about any party leader :P

s/party leader/goverment/

@Burgi Quite a lot

Corbyn is oldschool labour. So vaguely communist

'vaguely communist' probably plays well with anti-establishment types

since post blair... well, its been a mess for labour.

yup

:D

Are you kidding me? They got the definition from Urban Dictionary?

@Bob that's literally what I typed to you in Steam

wtf

lost the clipboard content due to closing the rdp session I copied it from?!

@allquixotic yup. but it was a combination of that and the ro

@allquixotic also, it's all done and working. kexec is awesome :D github.com/BobVul/Custom-Kernel-Launcher-for-Scaleway

@Bob awesome

now I just need to figure out why ubunut isn't updating

root@scw-feb646:~# do-release-upgrade -c -d
Checking for a new Ubuntu release
No new release found
root@scw-feb646:~# lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
Release:        16.04
Codename:       xenial

:S

apt-get update

@djsmiley2k tried that

or does the -c -d do that automatically?

@Bob I wonder if its trying to update to the next LTS

:/

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.

yeah it'll stick on lts I think

@JourneymanGeek nah the -d is meant to choose the next 'dev version'...

or is that lts dev version?

bah. canonical documentation is useless as always

yup

hint - choose gentoo!

choose life

lol

seems there's a config option

as it's shown in the software manager screen

you choose lts or non-lts

@djsmiley2k its a server/cli install

you tried with just -c and just -d ?

@JourneymanGeek ok, trying to narrow down where the option for lts only is enabled

@djsmiley2k yup, lemme just open up software manager over ssh :P

@djsmiley2k of course

Using vi:
$ sudo vi /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
Find the line that reads:
Prompt=LTS
Change it to say:
Prompt=normal

Boom, got it :)

blog.zloether.com/2010/02/…

old blog, so file location may of moved or whatever... but the answer is the same

ah. urk. that's actually a separate option?

(I hope)

Now, can you ask it on superuser so I can reap the rep? :D

@djsmiley2k one sec, checking for dupes :P

:P

Also check it works :P

thing about ubuntu is, I actually did search... and got a hundred irrelevant results

and I'm usually good at searching -_-

hmmmmmm

iffy... no SU-dupe but I did finally find a couple of AU dupes

...which makes me feel dumb

lol

You wouldn't think of looking on AU

@JourneymanGeek no, but I should've found them via google

;p

"lts to non-lts", of course

I was looking for 16.04 updates, which got me a ton of 14.04 to 16.04.01

and of course trying to figure out the damn -d option

which is apparently bloody useless

which you know a lot about ;p

@djsmiley2k how about I just chuck you a bounty somewhere else -_-

you need more awesome answers! :P

@Bob vim /etc/apt/sources.list then :%s/xenial/aardvark-or-whatever/g

@Bob it isn't a cross site dupe. Just... ask here, give him the bounty, everyone's happy ;p

@allquixotic apparently do-release-upgrade is still recommended because it handles some things outside of the normal upgrade stream

My first question in half a year, and it's so mundane :(

Actually, my first non-self-answered in three years O_O

lol

Wait no I self-answered that one too...

lol

Nov 2012. Wow.

of my last 5, 2 started here, 2 were self answered

lol

18 questions in 2012

4 since then

3 of them self-answered

122 questions ;p

@JourneymanGeek wow man! for an answerer you have an unusually high number of questions

@allquixotic I use the site a lot

some of it it self documentation tho

@JourneymanGeek I don't :P

also, I'm a HV on stackoverflow now

lol

"plz bro"

@allquixotic in a sense, I use SU as a way to document "the weird <donkey> <post consumer food> I come across"

@djsmiley2k still expecting your answer :P

Okay, I have a doubt. Today in class the computer science teacher said "UNIX is a multi-user OS, whereas Windows is not... At a time, only one use can be logged-in and using the computer." When I pointed out that you could use the "switch user" option and leave tasks running in the background, she just shook her head. Who was wrong?

The teacher is incorrect

With Terminal Services multiple people can be using desktops on the same machine

And besides, processes can be running under all sorts of different user accounts at the same time

Hm, I though so. Thanks. But eh, I'm still expected to write what she says in the exams, and although I could go back and make a case tomorrow, I feel that it won't be very well received.

If you felt strongly about doing a demo, you could spin up a Windows Server VM and remote into it from two different machines under two different users

One could make the case that non-Server editions of Windows aren't intended to allow multiple interactive users at once, in the teacher's defense

(you can totally make that happen if you're willing to patch one of the OS DLLs, though)

@Rahul2001 Back in the days, Windows was single user.

@BenN I'll point both out in class tomorrow :)

@allquixotic bro plsssss

@jokerdino Yeah, this teacher appears to be particularly reluctant to keep up with the times...

yeah, about 25 years or so

NT was the first to have actual security, right?

@MichaelFrank If your script isn't running on the machine that defines those local SIDs, I'm not sure anything can be done :/

@jokerdino "back in the days" being 20 years ago

even then NT was multiuser

"single-user" Windows was DOS/9x era

yeah, I think the teacher is using outdated materials.

@BenN depends what you mean by interactive, it's perfectly happy with a dozen console sessions :P

@jokerdino s/using//

@BenN even in the non server versions, you can do some things while not active on the desktop, such as playing music.

@Bob D:

@Bob Just seen this :D

was busy fixing things

@Bob answered :D

Tried to make it a good solid answer too

lol

@Bob Heh, I meant a connected interactive GUI desktop

even on Windows 10 Home there's Session 0 isolation, isn't there? you can run services on the session 0 desktop with GUI

Yep

Though it's not particularly happy about that

I guess they keep the concept of multiple desktops pretty locked down because they want those sweet, sweet CAL licenses

the IIS CAL license policy is pretty draconian last I checked, and it seems it's the honor system because literally nobody complies with it

to have someone hit your IIS HTTP server, you have to (1) get a server CAL for the user, and (2) get an IIS CAL for the user

That's pretty wild

Apparently you're supposed to have a CAL for every user or device served by a Windows Server DHCP server

@allquixotic it's gotten better

Fortunately my place of work can comply with that because we don't let random devices on our network, but I'm not sure what you're supposed to do if you're a school or something

with the CAL restrictiveness it's no wonder Linux is so popular (as well as disregarding / violating MSFT license terms)

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