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Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
1:00 PM
@FleetCommand ADVENTURE The Colossal Caves. Mainframe computer game. Text-only
 
Burgi
Burgi
@GypsySpellweaver not really for the masses though
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@Burgi It was in its day. There were no full screen 120fps computer games back then.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Amateur radio (Ham) is the masses, and tend to be in the front of lots of technology.
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
Ah. I thought he was referring to CC :)
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Packet radio, 2m band, is the father of most of the internet's communications.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
1:02 PM
@Bob Oven. Also, liquid metal thermal pastes do it at room temperature. Also, high end CPUs and AMD Zen's have heatspreaders soldered on
 
user226528
@GypsySpellweaver I remember typing XYZZY Enter Shift activated a cheat mode in Minesweeper.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
In any case, when you get this... did you ever upgrade to Android 7 on your S7 and is yours still encrypted?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@FleetCommand Maybe I'll try that. Minesweeper, as in the Windows included game?
 
user226528
@GypsySpellweaver Windows 95 only. Removed from later games.
 
user226528
Besides, your screen resolution should be so low as to see the change in the pixel of the top left corner of the screen.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
1:05 PM
@Bob Hiding from my nemesis. How did you find me? :-o
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@FleetCommand OK. I'll try it later.
@FleetCommand In ADVENTURE the magic work XYZZY would teleport you between a room of debris and inside the well house at the starting point. The other magic work, PLUGH would teleport from a room called Y2 to and the inside of the well house.
 
user226528
 
user226528
Looks like I was wrong. It's for Windows 3.x.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@FleetCommand That I'll have to install to try then.
 
user226528
You know, it has been long time since I have become 21 but I never played a game that is rated 21+. I don't know why.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
1:14 PM
@FleetCommand Me too, me neither.
 
user226528
Eh... Guess we'll never know. Probably they are not good games anyway.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
PS games are FinalFantasy series, finished none, and similar (Chrono Cross, etc), and GranTourismo 2. Did some NSES and N64 back when. Now it's almost all computer work. The "game" is to solve the next puzzle, or trace the next logic error.
 
user226528
I finished both Final Fantasy 7 and 8. :)
 
user226528
On PC of course. Not PS.
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
@GypsySpellweaver only puzzle games
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:19 PM
@Annaduh hi TOWMN
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@FleetCommand I foolishly bought FF-XI, couple months later got around to wanting to play it, and found out I needed the net to play it. Didn't have net then, so never installed it.
 
user226528
I never ever touch a MMORPG or MMO of any kind.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@djsmiley2k At least turn-based. I ain't got the hand-eye thing for "live action". Gran Tourismo 2 was a fluke.
 
user226528
How about turn-based strategy? I played Shining Force when I was a kid.
 
user226528
And Shining Force 2
 
user226528
1:22 PM
And Shining Force CD.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@FleetCommand I've done the real RPG's but not the MMORPGs
 
user226528
@GypsySpellweaver Like, what? Syberia? Diablo? That kind?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@FleetCommand Tunnels & Trolls, Dungeons & Dragons. Books and paper, not keys and mice. People in the flesh sitting at a table.
 
user226528
@GypsySpellweaver So, basically, every episode of The Big Bang Theory.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@FleetCommand Doh. Had to look that up, should've know what that was.
Wife's watched a few episodes
 
user226528
1:26 PM
Basically, they are band of geeks who love doing a lot of stuff; among those stuff is playing Dungeons and Dragons.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@FleetCommand Kind of. Except in my case I was the only geek, and that was the only contact I had with the rest of them outside school. (High school that is).
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh I am now...
 
user226528
Bye!
 
Bob
Bob
@GypsySpellweaver It's supposed to be a revival of an old phone :P
@GypsySpellweaver '06, huh. The original 3310 was released in 2001 :P
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@Bob Makes sense. Looks sort of like one I remember from '04
 
Bob
Bob
1:30 PM
@Burgi Wrong target market, and it'd basically be a Snake-playing brick. 2G turning off in AU means no mobile connectivity.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Step dau, was into "latest" phones.
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh I... kinda saw you enter the room. Also, name reuse :P
@Annaduh No, I haven't updated it since sometime last year. Don't really want to break/fix anything :\
Maybe when I have some free time again (like, at least a day or two uninterrupted on weekend just in case) so I can fix it if it breaks.
@GypsySpellweaver Depends on how you use it, of course, but I find my phone spends most of the time as a portable web browser :P
Some people like gaming. Others use it for music (I do that too).
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
 
Bob
Bob
And of course chat/sms/phone.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@Bob My phone gets about 30 min/month of use. two/three short calls/week, half-dozen texts. done.
 
Bob
Bob
1:33 PM
@Rahul2001 Uhm. You realise that PHP script is unsafe in just about every way? -_-
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
90% of calls are to check card balance :)
 
Bob
Bob
The first and most glaring is if someone specifies a file name of ../ they can break out of your target directory
@GypsySpellweaver Heh, I might use the actual phone functionality less than you
text/chat is so much more convenient when it's not urgent
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
I would carry a second phone if it would make my voice call life easier :P
 
XKCD
XKCD
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I use my iPod touch kind of like a smart phone. play music and patience. Look up bus schedules, Dr. appointments. that's about it.
s/patience/solitare/
 
Bob
Bob
1:37 PM
@GypsySpellweaver Yea, I suppose that's what most of us use our phones for, only with just one device (convenient!)
Also, phone (data connection) => real-time timetables ;)
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
iPod + wifi = internet, ditto
 
Bob
Bob
@GypsySpellweaver Oh, public wifi? Or just at home?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
busses are wifi, and I get it lots of places courtesy of TWC (my home internet provider)
 
Bob
Bob
public wifi is only just becoming a thing here around now
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob How so?
 
Bob
Bob
1:39 PM
I don't like it much tbh... often slow, generally insecure
5 mins ago, by Bob
The first and most glaring is if someone specifies a file name of ../ they can break out of your target directory
Obviously no authentication to speak of
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
If they see what bus I'm going to catch I won't worry too much.
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
Eh, it's for internal use by me
But okay, I'll add a warning
 
Bob
Bob
File extension filtering is often ineffective - e.g. if I rename a PHP script with .jpg the PHP interpreter will happily execute it
@Rahul2001 That's what you think, but if the machine is connected (say, to your school network) then technically it's in use by everyone on that network
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Rahul2001 With a publicly accessible URL that you posted on your blog ;)
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@OliverSalzburg Oh shit, I forgot to remove it :P
 
Bob
Bob
1:41 PM
lol. whoops?
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
The .exe I just uploaded was just for kicks
 
Bob
Bob
LOL
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@OliverSalzburg \o/
 
Bob
Bob
actually, one sec. @Rahul2001 mind if I try to break it? :P
I promise to avoid breaking the rest of the server
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob Sure, go ahead
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
1:42 PM
Dude, @Rahul2001 O____O
Shut down your web server bro :D
The stuff you can find with only the slightest bit of digging...
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@OliverSalzburg Hm... :P
@OliverSalzburg hm. what did you find?
the tiscontrol directory doesn't have anything that will be useful to you
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Rahul2001 Phone number and email address is like right there :D
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@OliverSalzburg oh shit. shit.
Right, okay, removed
sigh
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
Good ;)
 
Bob
Bob
@Rahul2001 Ok, at least your PHP interprefer doesn't parse everything
the phpinfo didn't execute :P
still, poor form to have these vulns
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
1:45 PM
@Bob lol
 
Bob
Bob
IIRC there's a way around it
This is a very common vuln in poorly-written PHP scripts -_-
but I can't remember what that way was
so you're safe for now :P
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
:P
 
Bob
Bob
but yea
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@Rahul2001 @OliverSalzburg @Bob This is entertaining, and I hate to leave in the middle, but I got other duties. Have fun.
 
Bob
Bob
take that script off please
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
1:46 PM
@GypsySpellweaver This happens here often
@Bob Yep, will do
 
Bob
Bob
and don't host it anywhere publicly accessible... or even locally-accessible if there's literally anyone other than you on the network
@GypsySpellweaver cya
@Rahul2001 I'm gonna try one more thing
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
@Rahul2001 this is why you can't have nice things
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob have removed from blog post
 
Bob
Bob
Actually never mind, the extension restriction is kinda protecting you from the worst of it for now :P
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob lmao, okay
 
Bob
Bob
1:49 PM
I can still probably replace any image on your site, but replacing the core pages is harder
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Rahul2001 With scripts like that, try to have minimal protection with HTTP Basic Auth or checking for the existence of a specific HTTP header/cookie. This is not only a security feature in regard to keeping people out. It's also a security feature against accidents caused from other errors
 
Bob
Bob
@Rahul2001 you really should remove the script altogether, not just the blog post...
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob ugh, okay.
@OliverSalzburg okay, thanks!
 
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg To add to this, it's better if you (a) host it on a separate webserver from your main site, and (b) restrict it to certain IP addresses
But these are all just attempts at hiding a rather broken script :S
@Rahul2001 you should read this owasp.org/index.php/Unrestricted_File_Upload
> Upload .rar file to be scanned by antivirus - command executed on a server running the vulnerable antivirus software
lol
that one's actually pretty funny
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob I'll just find a decent script, and password protect it
 
Bob
Bob
1:53 PM
@Rahul2001 in your case of just uploading files, consider WebDAV
Personally, I like ownCloud and its WebDAV implementation is decent
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob Oh, I have ownCloud on my server
But I've never used WebDAV
EW. My eyes! webdav.org
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
@Bob Sure. I just find that adding a simple if to check for a constant is very little effort for what it provides. It's a good start if you have nothing else
 
Bob
Bob
@Rahul2001 You... use hashes? wat
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob for... passwords? intead of plaintext?
 
Bob
Bob
@Rahul2001 Yea, it's better than nothing. Except the false sense of security. So it's good to keep in mind that it's pretty much a terrible cheap hack fix :P
 
GFSE
GFSE
1:55 PM
GemsFromStackExchange: Photo
posted on March 29, 2017

 
Bob
Bob
@Rahul2001 Uh. That doesn't help you, FYI
Hashing passwords at rest protects your users from password reuse issues
But it does nothing to protect you from even passive interception
 
Burgi
Burgi
@GFSE that sounds like a punk/death metal band
 
Bob
Bob
You basically need HTTPS for that.
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob I have HTTPS :P
 
Bob
Bob
HTTP Digest authentication is kinda halfway there, but HTTPS is bettererer.
@Rahul2001 Not enforced! And your sample curl command doesn't use it!
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
1:58 PM
@Bob Not yet
 
Bob
Bob
Having it isn't enough. You actually need to use it :P
eww, lukewarm tea
 
Rahul2001
Rahul2001
@Bob I de-enforced it because the busybox version of wget doesn't support https
But I switched to curl anyway
 
Braiam
Braiam
Is there a better meta q about seemly valid but off topic questions posted with the express purpose of allowing a "valid" but spam answer, like this one meta.superuser.com/q/10715/235569
 
Bob
Bob
@Braiam Ask @JourneymanGeek, I think he generally just deletes poor known-suspicious questions (PST-repair is popular) and protects decent suspicious ones.
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
How do I do a * in a question?
just escape with \?
 
Braiam
Braiam
2:03 PM
yep
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob ah. Pretty much same here, except I just gave in case I was sure I remembered someone I know who had an S7 saying they updated and everything was fine.
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh The rooted part makes it harder. And the whole not-updated-in-ages bit.
@Annaduh Did your update go alright?
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Now I've updated there seem to be unresolvable issues with root + encryption. Everything else is basically flawless.
 
Bob
Bob
Also I'm kinda scared cause my first update caused a full wipe... really CBF setting that up again.
@Annaduh Issues?
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Root + no encryption seems fine
@Bob bootloop/no boot at all.
 
Bob
Bob
2:09 PM
@Annaduh Ow. Fack.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob I'm getting really pissed off with all these update guides that just randomly slot in a wipe your device for no reason step and don't point it out.
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh Oh that reminds me the autoroot had something about encryption on it... Something to do iwth either disabling it or using a custom recovery. can't remember more
@Annaduh was more that I stuffed something up and had to do a full flash
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob it seems any modification to the bootloader, recovery, or system partition results in a hang if your data partition is encrypted.
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh Wait, how do I check encryption status again?
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
settings -> storage
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
2:11 PM
@Bob same. You seeing me entering the room earlier was probably me looking up our chat history to see what it was I/we did wrong last time to accidently wipe our phones.
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh lol. lemme know if you figure it out :P
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Basically I was looking for this
 
Bob
Bob
@djsmiley2k just tells me usage
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Nov 6 '16 at 16:27, by Bob
> 3. If you want to install another country firmware, or wipe your phone, then use

BL
AP
CP
CSC

CAUTION: This CSC contains a PIT file that will wipe your existing data and return your phone to 'out of the box' or will install another country/network firmware
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
:/
 
Bob
Bob
2:12 PM
@Annaduh ohhhhhhhhhhhh that brings me back
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
But err yeah, now I'm weighing up the options, either going without encryption or downgrading to Android 6 again
 
Bob
Bob
yea I think I had a failed flash cause old Odin wouldn't complete on the old HOME_CSC
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
This time I had a backup. Unfortunately I forgot to backup my data. Fortunately I didn't accidentally wipe anything.
 
Bob
Bob
The failed flash stuffed thigns up. I tried ot manually fix the CSC but broke it more.
Then gave up and did a CSC flash
but new Odin should work fine with HOME_CSC... I hope
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Surprisingly setting the phone to 720p display isn't actually that terrible. Barely noticeable fuzziness if I pay attention but that's it
@Bob it does
 
Bob
Bob
2:14 PM
@Annaduh battery savings?
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Didn't you wipe/decrypt your phone when you first rooted it anyway, cause you thought it was required?
@Bob that's the idea, yeah
Not sure how else my Z3C gets 3x the battery life out of a smaller battery...
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh Smaller screen, only cat4 LTE...
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Android 7 has quite a few nice improvements on the S7 so I'm not super keen to go back.
 
Bob
Bob
I think LCD uses less power than OLED too, especially if on white pages
@Annaduh such as?
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob well my S4 I was comparing against has only Cat 3 lte
@Bob Blue Light filter? New emoji? :-P
 
Bob
Bob
2:17 PM
o.O
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Braiam I do more or less what bob said
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Nah, mostly minor things. Facebook messenger is now unable to hide itself from power saving features, also LTE MCS is displayed on the main debug screen
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
though that is a particularly obvious example.
In most cases you can find something to close as dupe
and there's a few companies in my (mental) list of not good people.
 
Bob
Bob
I can't tell if encryption is enabled -_-
think it's disabled by root
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Still need to root to figure out if I can get any more advanced LTE features working though. Also I broke 3G on my phone last night so flashing it was mostly me trying to remedy that.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:20 PM
@Braiam for most part its "common sense" rules I guess.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob hmm. That's what I thought
I recall someone I know saying they unencrypted their S7 to root it and the only other person I know with an S7 on A7 hasn't rooted it
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh that was probably me :P
 
Burgi
Burgi
apparently comic relief caused controversy last week by calling a jaffa cake a biscuit
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Oh my god.
 
Burgi
Burgi
its a damn cake
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
2:21 PM
:O
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
SACRILEGE
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
If you're unencrypted I'd recommend updating. It's nice. I'm yet to find any drawbacks so far except the root + encryption problem.
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE TAX BENEFITS?
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh CF Auto-Root disables encryption IIRC
@Annaduh ... if it breaks I'm blaming you :P
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Changing screen resolution on the fly is very nice.
@Bob it didn't for me!
 
Bob
Bob
2:22 PM
uh. 10% battery no good for updating yea?
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
If you follow some of the guides that tell you to flash some dm-verity-no-crypt.zip or something at the same time as cf-auto-root, which most guides seem to tell you to do, then that disables encryption and wipes your phone without warning
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh Did you update from like an April 2016 ROM?
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob its powered off USB while updating anyway...
@Bob nah, from whatever I was running last autumn when you told me how to update without wiping just after I'd accidentally wiped my phone
Nov 6 '16 at 16:27, by Bob
> 3. If you want to install another country firmware, or wipe your phone, then use

BL
AP
CP
CSC

CAUTION: This CSC contains a PIT file that will wipe your existing data and return your phone to 'out of the box' or will install another country/network firmware
^^ that's basically the actual day I did the update
Oh that was on the way to my Skyscanner interview too I think
 
Bob
Bob
TiB'ing 407 apps + data
hm where's my sammobile account
> Device model not found
wat
 
djsmiley2k
djsmiley2k
:O
 
Bob
Bob
2:27 PM
I'm on... G935FXXU1APDN
damn my membership expired
@Annaduh Remind me, did you just flash AP?
or the whole lot?
sammobile download page says AP only :S
 
Braiam
Braiam
@JourneymanGeek But no examples on meta :(
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob 457 for me lol
 
Bob
Bob
just re-bought sammobile prem for that sweet 1.3MB/s download :P
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob the whole lot (ap/cp/bl/home_csc)
:36361455
 
Bob
Bob
backup is 44% complete
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
2:39 PM
:-o
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Braiam If its a dupe, close as dupe. If an answer is spam, flag it. We'll typically deal with the rest.
 
Bob
Bob
tomorrow I'll either have Android 7 or be taking a day off work cause my phone's borked...
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
I never had premium, I just download them to my server at some crappy speed then 4G it into my phone on my unlimited 4G plan then MicroSD card it onto my laptop
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
If you want to post a community-faq-proposed - go ahead
but it's felt redundant so far.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob lol -_- it'll only take 5 minutes to restore in a worst case scenario...
 
Bob
Bob
2:40 PM
@Annaduh well it's kinda 1:30 AM and at their 'regular' speed I'd be doing the install at 3:30 AM
@Annaduh tbh I have no idea how I'd restore
I don't think I have a full image abckup and I can't remember how to make one
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob that's fine, I already blamed you for not telling me you knew how to avoid accidentally wiping until after I had accidentally wiped.
 
Braiam
Braiam
@JourneymanGeek I was thinking about spam enabling questions where the question was nucked as spam
 
satibel
satibel
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Braiam notice - the question was nuked after the answer
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh how do you restore?
just flash the old AP and hope for the best?
ah crap I'll have to redo changes I can't remember to the system partition
at a minimum gsam root needs to be reinstalled
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
2:42 PM
@Bob flashing old firmware always works fine. It's nigh on impossible to brick them Samsung's
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh oh, not worried about a hard brick. just the data loss :P
 
Braiam
Braiam
@JourneymanGeek I guess. I'm only looking for the examples of such questions.
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh one of the reasons I went back to samsung for this phone. bootloader is effectively always unlocked, and you'd have to really stuff it up to brick it
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob oh right. Just don't flash csc without home and pray you're not encrypted
 
Bob
Bob
IIRC it even has a JTAG mode via the USB port
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:43 PM
@Braiam I nuked so much spam before smokey... I don't remember most of em.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob yup
 
Bob
Bob
or used to anyway
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Data loss... Do you have TWRP? just make a nandroid image?
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh ...I can't remember -_-
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
(TWRP breaks encrypted Nougat too)
 
Bob
Bob
2:44 PM
55% backed up
at this rate I'll finish the download before the backup
also fast charging + backup = hot
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
I think I might just go without encryption since going without root is painful
@Bob oh I should see if fast charging works with the screen on yet
 
Braiam
Braiam
@JourneymanGeek is:q deleted:1 locked:1 score:..-1 ;)
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh ha, hopefully. it didn't on the S4 either
and with the note7 debacle I doubt Samsung wants to touch the battery code just in case -_-
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob ooh now you mention it my S4+ was just delivered
@Bob lol that's getting a bit paranoid
Then again Sony's update on the Z3C defaults the battery to reduced capacity mode now
To "extend handset life" because yknow, glued internal batteries and what not
Need to download updated firmware for my S4+ now too
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh well, I'm not saying they shouldn't. I'm just saying they might decide to play on the safe side and not do it.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
2:52 PM
@Bob I hope they don't play it too safe with the S8
 
Bob
Bob
ya. I want a big battery.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Oh hey it's being released today
 
Bob
Bob
And by now, they (a) know what the problem was and (b) they're actively checking for it in new devices.
Which is probably more than any other manufacturer did anyway.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
c) S8s catch fire.
;p
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh you going for an S8?
huh, funny screen ratio
ugh, 3000 mAh battery on the 5.8" one
and 3500 mAh battery on the 6.2" one
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
2:54 PM
@Bob probably not. I hear they ditched the home button and had to panic update the fingerprint reader onto the back because the under screen fingerprint reader wasn't ready in time
@Bob that's not really unexpected... Basically same as the S7/S7E
Except a tiny bit lower on the Edge that had 3600 before
 
Bob
Bob
so. the S8+ 0.4mm thicker (yay), 1mm wider and 10mm longer than the S7E. And has a slightly smaller battery.
:(
@Annaduh urk
oh, they ditched the front buttons? :(
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
@Bob oh, I thought they were keeping them the same size :-(
 
Bob
Bob
at least the longer screen makes up for it
I hated sacrificing screen space on the G4 for the onscreen buttons
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
Arf
I can barely reach the HR sensor on the back as it is
 
Bob
Bob
@Annaduh no TWRP.
 
Anna duh
Anna duh
2:57 PM
Definitely don't want to have to reach up there every time to unlock my phone
 
Bob
Bob
dm-verity verification failed I suppose that's good :P
@Annaduh well I didn't like reaching for the front button anyway so I used smartwatch unlock
I actually really like the fingerprint sensor on the Xperia
it's in the perfect position (side, on power button) and it's much more reliable detection too
proably because the button has a nice indented curve
 
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