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Burgi

10:00 AM

because its the right thing to do

user226528

Bumping a five-years-old question to the top would be the right thing to do? I was chastised for doing that.

Bob

@Burgi Technically, if you recreate them, you are the original source of the (new) images.

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand I'm already a mod (I signed the mod agreement). Waiting for my swag :)

user226528

@DavidPostill \o./

Gypsy Spellweaver

@DavidPostill You already got the bling.

Everything you've ever done has a pretty diamond next to it now. :D

Bob

10:03 AM

There miiiiiiiiiiiight be an argument that the new ones are a derivative, but with a common source like this... it'd be like arguing that MS owns the copyright of the images. Which they won't bother with.

Burgi

@Bob you give up the copyright when you post on SE, its creative commons iirc

Bob

@Burgi Nope.

You license it under CC-wiki.

user226528

@Burgi Bob's right. See this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Non-free_Microsoft_screenshot

Bob

You do not "give up" or "transfer" copyright ownership.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob If I made new ones it would be from doing my own install, and downgrade.

Burgi

10:04 AM

semantics

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver Ya, but the law around 'derivative works' is rather murky, at least unless it gets into an actual court case.

user226528

@GypsySpellweaver Forget what I said. You can upload them Imgur per this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Non-free_Microsoft_screenshot

Bob

@Burgi Very important semantics.

user226528

It is a little embarrassing though. I created that template.

user226528

7 years ago.

Burgi

10:06 AM

@FleetCommand on wiki?

user226528

@Burgi: On a very specific wiki called Wikipedia.

Bob

@FleetCommand Hard to say, actually.

Burgi

when i said "wiki" i meant wikipedia

user226528

@Bob What is hard to say?

Bob

The screenshot can be considered a derivative of the OS. So you'd actually need permission from both MS and the screenshot author.

user226528

10:07 AM

@Bob It'd be derivative if you changed it yourself.

user226528

As long as it is just a screenshot, it is not a derivative.

Burgi

regardless they will be on imgur by the day is out.... ;)

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob Have permission from MS, per the Wikipedia post.

Bob

@FleetCommand Could it not be argued that the specific positioning of windows etc. and the settings changed is somewhat transformative?

@GypsySpellweaver yea, I already said I don't think there's a problem with you taking your own screenshots - but uploading the existing ones direct might be a bit of an issue

user226528

@Bob It could, only and only if it passes the threshold of originality.

Bob

10:09 AM

@FleetCommand Which is nice and subjective :P

user226528

@Bob And ... the change of position must be an integral part of the screenshot.

Bob

> Google’s use of thumbnails is highly transformative. In Kelly we concluded that Arriba’s use of thumbnails was transformative because “Arriba’s use of the images served a different function than Kelly’s use — improving access to information on the Internet versus artistic expression."

^ Ninth Circuit Court opinion

user226528

Basically, between Microsoft license, fair-use, ToO and de minimis, we are safe.

Bob

Which sounds similar-ish

user226528

Amazing how I am remembering all this from 7 years ago. Good thing they didn't strip my FileMover privilege yet.

Gypsy Spellweaver

10:11 AM

Ok, it's fixed. I can replace the screenshots with ones of my own creation if the pair of you work reach a decisive opinion. It won't be fast, cause I'll have to spin up a VM to install 7 Ult on, then down grade to Pro, but can if necessary.

Bob

@FleetCommand If we're going by 'serving a different function' - the original (the windows in Windows lets you ... configure the OS, the screenshots document the process)... then they're transformative, no?

Burgi

i've lost interest now the convo has moved into the semantics of copyright law

Bob

<== not a lawyer, just interested :P

@GypsySpellweaver eh, probably isn't/won't be a problem

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Burgi I like ping-pong :D

user226528

@Bob No! "Function" has a clear meaning. It's commercial and non-commercial here.

Bob

10:13 AM

@FleetCommand Hm?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Just for GP I credited the source above and below. It is a long piece. All linked and pretty, so to speak.

Boris_yo

How do you clean trackball?

In a mouse there's ball for scrolling.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Boris_yo Q-tip®

Boris_yo

@GypsySpellweaver It leaves lint that gets stuck inside...

Bob

Going back to the thumbnail example...

> Just as a “parody has an obvious claim to transformative value” because “it can provide social benefit, by shedding light on an earlier work, and, in the process, creating a new one,” a search engine provides social benefit by incorporating an original work into a new work, namely, an electronic reference tool.

> We conclude that the significantly transformative nature of Google’s search engine, particularly in light of its public benefit, outweighs Google’s superseding and commercial uses of the thumbnails in this case.

Which all sounds very similar :P

Boris_yo

10:17 AM

Things/little balls that hold trackball...

Bob

Documenting the process => reference... public benefit is there too.

Boris_yo

I wonder if window cleaning solution will damage trackball...

user226528

@Bob You can't. The thumbnail example only had the fair-use law to support it. Microsoft screenshot have a Microsoft licensing grant.

Bob

Might even be stronger than the thumbnail case. Or maybe not, idk. But it does hover around there.

Boris_yo

I have cologne.

Bob

10:18 AM

@FleetCommand Wait, what are we talking about again?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Use VCR head cleaner on the Q-tip® and keep close eye on the lint.

Boris_yo

@GypsySpellweaver I am non-US... I can't easily buy VCR head cleaner.

Bob

I'm saying the screenshot might be considered a derivative of Windows. Which means you, as the screenshot-taker, would need permission from the original owner (Microsoft) to distribute it.

Boris_yo

Because I doubt we have these things here...

Bob

The Microsoft licensing grant gives you that permission...

user226528

10:19 AM

@Bob I am talking about Microsoft screenshots in "Downgrade from Windows 7 Ultimate to Professional without reinstall?" I dont know about you. Actually, I was. I think I've said all I had to say and don't want to repeat myself.

Boris_yo

I have LCD screen cleaning solution. Should I dip trackball in it?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Boris_yo Probably not.

The material the wheels are made of could be damaged chemically by LCD and window cleaners. If nothing else, use the C/DVD cleaner solution.

Bob

@FleetCommand Eh, AFAICT when I said it might be a derivative you just said it isn't. I'm guessing you're saying that it's just a copy instead. Which would mean that permission from MS is enough, and you don't need permission from the screenshot-taker.

Boris_yo

@GypsySpellweaver Any type of alcohol that would be safe?

Gypsy Spellweaver

If not VCR head cleaner, how about cassette tape, or 8-track tape cleaner, all the same stuff.

Bob

10:23 AM

Basically, it's the difference between being able to freely (under MS licence) use any screenshot of Windows, vs having to take your own.

Boris_yo

I have glasses optical wipes soaked in alcohol of some type...

Bob

@FleetCommand It's ... not really that important. But I just wanted to figure out which one was technically/legally right :(

Gypsy Spellweaver

Alcohol, medical, not drinking, might be ok.

user226528

@Burgi Now, if in your terminology, Wikipedia is the only wiki, then what happens to Wikia and SE Community Wiki?

Boris_yo

@GypsySpellweaver Should I make sure there is no ingredient that could damage the coating of trackball?

I am not aware of any ingredient that would do that though...

Gypsy Spellweaver

10:25 AM

The track ball isn't the problem, it should all be gone before you put the ball back in.

Or is it the ball itself you want to clean?

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver LCD/window cleaners are usually something like 70-90% isoprop... will be on the bottle somewhere

Huh. Quora's been around a while.

Boris_yo

@GypsySpellweaver Yes. The ball itself. Before I clean it I think I should wipe my hands with alcohol wipe as well due to natural oil?

DavidPostill

@GypsySpellweaver Yeah. Downside is people might think you were a mod for all those old event. Fortunately I don't think I've done anything to be ashamed of :)

Bob

@Annaduh ...name change again?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Boris_yo Alcohol can damage, dry out, the plastics, and the oil in your hand are natural for the track ball itself.

Bob

10:32 AM

Just wash it in water -_-

Gypsy Spellweaver

For cleaning the ball itself, just use denim, old jeans.

Bob

Use a bit of mild (dishwashing) detergent if you must

Burgi

@FleetCommand if its a SE community wiki i'd specify that

Bob

That's safe for just about everything.

Boris_yo

@GypsySpellweaver The issue with oil is that trackball becomes too fast due to less friction.

Burgi

10:33 AM

i never used wikia

DavidPostill

@Boris_yo On mine I can pop the ball out (essential to clean fluff from the sensors underneath and to degrease the ball).

user226528

DavidPostill

I just use one of those microfibre cloths to clean it.

Bob

@FleetCommand when'd wiki (hehe) get a mascot? o.O

Gypsy Spellweaver

s/mascot/champion/

Boris_yo

10:36 AM

@DavidPostill How do you clean the ball?

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver ...is there a difference?

Burgi

this is your fish:
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this is the fish I am trying to fry:
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DavidPostill

3 mins ago, by DavidPostill

I just use one of those microfibre cloths to clean it.

user226528

@Burgi Then use a skillet that looks like this:
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Gypsy Spellweaver

@FleetCommand lol

@Bob mascot ➯ emblem/representative/etc. champion➯defender/spokesperson

Bob

10:40 AM

@FleetCommand that's still too small!

@GypsySpellweaver eh, both then? :P

Burgi

@FleetCommand heh

Bob

@allquixotic You still use LastPass right?

There's a RCE vuln in LastPass right now, exploitable by any website...

Boris_yo

@DavidPostill @GypsySpellweaver Can you use this not to clean but to ensure permanent smooth scrolling?

amazon.com/American-grease-stick-graphite-lubricant/dp/…

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Boris_yo NO

Boris_yo

Lol look at number beside my username.

It's 1999!

Do you know what will happen once it turns 2000?

2K!

Gypsy Spellweaver

10:53 AM

@Boris_yo I see 2004 already

Boris_yo

I mean Y2K

DavidPostill

@Boris_yo I wouldn't.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Boris_yo because..

Boris_yo

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Boris_yo Now you can see vote break downs

Oliver Salzburg

10:55 AM

@Boris_yo shouldiblamecaching.com

Boris_yo

Hmmm

@OliverSalzburg It's all your fault!

Gypsy Spellweaver

DavidPostill

@Boris_yo How to Clean a Logitech Trackball Mouse

Oliver Salzburg

DavidPostill

>

6. Wash the trackball with warm, soapy water to remove dirt, oil and germs. Allow the trackball to dry before reinserting it.

7. Blow into the trackball housing to dislodge dust and loose particles. For stubborn dust, use a can of compressed air.

8. Dampen another cotton swab with rubbing alcohol and clean the rollers inside of the trackball housing. Let the rollers dry.

Oliver Salzburg

10:58 AM

2004 here too

jokerdino

@Bob He doesn't use LastPass I think. Either Keepass or one of its variants.

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg You make me look like crazy now. Don't even think about locking me in a nuthouse!

Because...

jokerdino

allq uses Enpass apparently.

Boris_yo

@DavidPostill +1

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver it'd be an interesting experiment :P

@DavidPostill When compressed-airing make sure you don't turn the can upside down.

That blows liquid butane over the internals. That kills the internals.

DavidPostill

11:07 AM

@Bob Yeah, I know :)

Burgi

WOOHOO!!!!

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob Not much of an experiment. Ever seen what that stuff does when mixed with oil?

Burgi

i have working phoneline

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Burgi Do you have a working phone?

Burgi

thats how i know i have a working phoneline

Gypsy Spellweaver

11:09 AM

@Burgi \o/

jokerdino

@Burgi Can you ring me?

Burgi

no i don't have a call package

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver Thankfully, no!

jokerdino

SAD!

Gypsy Spellweaver

I use MagicJack, anywhere I have Internet, I have phone.

@Bob It turns into a rock! Best way to kill a lock, add that powder, then someone trying to be helpful adds WD-40. Buy a new lock!

Boris_yo

11:11 AM

@GypsySpellweaver This guy sometimes experienced intermittent delays when moving trackball and usually cleaning solved it but not for long. He decided to dip ball in some lubricant (not sure what it is exactly but looks like powder) and the result was soft and smooth operation no longer requiring frequent cleansing.

Сухая смазка ФОРУМ® & Logitech M570

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One of newest comments asked how is it and how long did effect last him to which he said "For long"

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver Well, the first mistake was adding WD-40 to a lock. *shudder*

I used graphite powder once. Apply a bit to a key, insert into cylinder a few times. Worked a charm.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob That's exactly what it's made for.

Bob

At some point I need to figure out what a good lubricant for a sliding door rail would be...

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob Used that way it "coats" the metal, reducing friction.

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver I actually heard a fair bit of conflicting advice before. e.g. use white lithium

Though I think that was for the bulkier moving parts and not inside the cylinder itself.

Gypsy Spellweaver

11:16 AM

@Bob Replace the Teflon® tips if it has them. And keeping the track clear should help a lot.

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver Tips? o.O

It's an old balcony door. Pretty sure the wheels are busted :(

I'm currently just spraying some silicone lubricant every time to get it open, but that disappears after a couple days.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I've had some good advice too. Had a computer shop tell me to use axle grease instead of thermal paste on my CPU.

Boris_yo

Here's description of dry lubricant:

"TECHNOLOGY

Russian Academy of Sciences was the first time in the world have developed a unique method of processing polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE), entered in the Guinness Book of Records as the most slippery material in existence.

Using this unique method of thermal gas processing PTFE dry lubricant was created Forum - a new material with properties having no analogues in the world. Extremely small particles of dry lubricant Forum can readily bind to any solid surface to form a durable coating. Neither Teflon or PTFE or any other type of PTFE does n…

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver Now that one sounds like not such a great idea :P

Gypsy Spellweaver

I didn't think so either.

Bob

11:19 AM

@GypsySpellweaver Brief bit of research... apparently some people use it to be cheap or cause it's what they have available.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I could just picture the grease getting liquid and dripping onto everything else below the CPU.

Bob

But when a tube of proper paste costs like $5-$10... IMO it's not worth it :\

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob It does have a high thermal breakdown. But...

Bob

Save, what, $5 and risk a $150+ CPU+mobo set? urk.

@GypsySpellweaver I'd accept that it would work as a substitute at least in the short term (heck, toothpaste works!), but I doubt it works better than proper paste long-term.

Eh, who knows. It's not the worst idea I've heard :P

Gypsy Spellweaver

4 RadioShacks, 2 BestBuys and scattered other stores in my town, no reason to be desperate for thermal paste

Maybe in Afghanistan I'd be more understanding.

Bob

11:24 AM

@GypsySpellweaver funnily enough all the nearby shops here were out when I built mine :S

luckily my cooler came with a tube

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob If the door wheels still turn, but need lube, the white lithium would work there.

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver I'll have to check. Unfortunately, I kinda lied when I said balcony... it's this funny window-pretending-to-be-a-door with a 'balcony' extending maybe 5cm and a slanted rail. So you basically need a ladder to access the outside.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob I did have to take a 2½ hr bus trip to get the paste. Still, better than trusting the other option. Besides, I knew I needed maximum thermal transfer as well as not wanting it to drip.

Bob

We're actually planning to replace the door entirely. The logistics of that, though, are still being planned.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob It should still be removable from inside. Maybe by lifting it straight up when opened all the way.

Bob

11:27 AM

The whole replacing a heavy glass door and large frame while on ladders bit...

@GypsySpellweaver Nah, the moving half is on the outside. The stationary half is on the inside.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Sounds like a task for ThumbTack®

Bob

Might be a way to remove the stationary half first, actually... probably a couple screws.

@GypsySpellweaver We've had a lot of issues with sliding doors in general... fragile things they are :(

Heavy glass on tiny plastic wheels isn't great for the wheels

And metal wheels just dent the rail after a few years

Now, repairing the rail... NOPE

@GypsySpellweaver now that I think about it, it'd actually be harder for me to get axle grease than thermal paste... probably

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob Walmart™ has it where I live.

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver Ha, the only truly giant sell-everything store here might be Costco and that's over an hour away. Most supermarkets here are pretty limited in non-grocery items :P

Kmart might have a bit actually, but their range is shrinking pretty quick

Waiiiiiit. When did Lidcombe get a Costco? O_O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ... Coconut oil is oddly good as a outdoor lube.

Bob

11:35 AM

Speaking of which, I've never actually been to one :(

@JourneymanGeek ... ... ... I've heard about it being used for other things :P

But yea most wet lubricants just pick up dust. Ugh.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob That's one of the nice things about the white grease, somehow it keeps the particulates from collecting. Causes em to migrate to the free surface instead of the contact areas.

DavidPostill

@Bob That's a Juliette Balcony AKA Balconet.

Balconet

A balconet or balconette is an architectural term to describe a false balcony, or railing at the outer plane of a window-opening reaching to the floor, and having, when the window is open, the appearance of a balcony. They are common in France, Portugal, Spain, and Italy. They are often referred to as Juliet balconies after the scene from Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet. A prominent example of a balconette is on the Palazzo Labia in Venice. == Balconette brassieres == The term has also been applied to a style of brassiere featuring low-cut cups and wide set straps that give the appearance of...

Gypsy Spellweaver

@DavidPostill Goes good with coconut oil, i guess...

satibel

> The term has also been applied to a style of brassiere featuring low-cut cups

hon hon hon

DavidPostill

@satibel I was wondering if anyone would notice that ;)

Bob

11:41 AM

@DavidPostill huh, good to know. didn't realise it had a name

Gypsy Spellweaver

@DavidPostill What did ya' think the coconut oil was for? ;P

DavidPostill

@Bob I watch lots of DIY and house building programs :)

Burgi

FLAGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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satibel

@Burgi 4chan stole the flag... again.

Burgi

!!flagged

DavidPostill

11:44 AM

@Burgi Clearly 4chan killed the bot as well

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver high self-adhesion? sounds like

Burgi

:(

Bob

there's probably a word for that too

Gypsy Spellweaver

Used to use that on lead screws in semiconductor equipment. Thin coating would last nearly forever.

satibel

@Bob mayonnaise is one of the best... for around a day at normal temps.

hardwaresecrets.com/does-mayonnaise-last-as-a-thermal-compound/…

Bob

11:56 AM

@satibel not surprising... more liquid makes it more conductive, at least until it dries out

the whole point of specialised thermal paste is to work when dry (or take a really long time to dry)

I'm suddenly tempted to try soldering a heatsink on

the hard part is getting a heatsink up to soldering temperatures...

satibel

@Bob try melting a silver heatsink on it.

though if you want, gallium is better, but not if you use aluminum

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob To bad you don't have access to eutectic bonding systems.

That would be perfect for joining CPU to cooler permanently.

djsmiley2k

@Bob overclock the cpu?

i guess it's gotta get hot enough, to allow the solder to bind properly?

/me imagines cpu's heating upt to 210c just to bind to their heatsinks

:O

Gypsy Spellweaver

@djsmiley2k That's the whole point of eutectics, lower temperatures. Used in the manufacture of CPUs all the time.

satibel

Gallium Induced Structural Failure of an Aluminum Sheet

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djsmiley2k

12:09 PM

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Q: How can I connect two TP-LINKS routers using WAN-WAN?

I'm trying to set up an Internet emulation using 2 TP-LINK routers and 2 computers. The first computer-router is in LAN: 192.168.0.0 The second computer-router is in LAN: 192.168.1.0 The connection between the two routers is in WAN-WAN and it's: 10.0.0.1-10.0.0.2 I'm not very confortable usin...

what

!!wat

Gypsy Spellweaver

@djsmiley2k That tiny piece of silicon has to be soldered to the package its in.

djsmiley2k

yah

nice

Gypsy Spellweaver

TP-Link is on the low-end of things, so probably not, but some home routers can have routing tables in them, and without going outside the given parameters it could be made to work. Sorta..

Burgi

the new moto G is looking good

djsmiley2k

12:24 PM

@GypsySpellweaver could 'easily' do it with a 3rd router :D

Burgi

arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/02/moto-g5-plus-hands-on-review

Gypsy Spellweaver

@djsmiley2k That would make more sense too. Simulate the Internet, is the project. Most connections have a router already. The 3rd router would be the "simulated" Internet.

Burgi

is anyone going to get a nokia 3310?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Burgi Don't know what that is, so probably not anytime soon. :|

Burgi

how old are you @GypsySpellweaver?

Oliver Salzburg

12:32 PM

@Burgi Nope. Might actually go back to OnePlus next

Burgi

@GypsySpellweaver arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/02/nokia-3310-hands-on

Oliver Salzburg

A friend had good things to say about that 3. The only thing he couldn't tell me was how well it can "handle phone calls"

Rahul2001

Right, so I finally got the post file thing to work. Ended up using curl.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Burgi I guess that's supposed to be a nice phone. I'm sort of not into the phone thing. Simple, cheap, disposable phone here.

Burgi

49€ is pretty disposable

Gypsy Spellweaver

12:35 PM

Last "fancy" phone was Blackberry in '05/'06 range.

Mine is abt 13€

Burgi

we used to give our engineers basic feature phones like: carphonewarehouse.com/nokia/…

the incidents of theft and breakages vanished overnight when we swapped to them from iphones and blackberries

Oliver Salzburg

Is it this one?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Burgi Here's a few hints: First local storage device PTP (Baudot code), first computer game: ADVENTURE (PLUGH anyone?) or Lunar Lander, not sure which. Original modem speed: 110bps.

Burgi

Punter (protocol)

Punter is a protocol for file transfer developed in the 1980s by Steve Punter. There are various types of Punter such as PET Transfer Protocol (PTP), C1 and C2. == PET Transfer Protocol == The PET Transfer Protocol (PTP), also known as Punter or Old Punter, was developed ca. 1980 by Steve Punter for use with his PETBBS and BBS64 bulletin board system (BBS) software. The "PET" in the name comes from the Commodore PET computer. Compared to other contemporary protocols, PTP is slower than YMODEM and ZMODEM but faster and more reliable than XMODEM. The earliest version of Punter supports only 7-bit...

is that the PTP you are talking about?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Burgi Too new. Paper Tape Punch

Burgi

12:47 PM

ah

still newer than slate or stone tablets... ;)

Gypsy Spellweaver

Slightly

Burgi

what is the one technological advance during your lifetime that has surprised you the most?

Gypsy Spellweaver