@allquixotic Oh yea there was that new German-only release that had 4 12V rails

Vengeance? can't remember

Oh hey it is Vengeance

also apparently mine does "vitual" multi-rail, whatever that's supposed to be...

lol

> NEW: Next Gen NVIDIA® GeForce® 940MX graphics

!!facepalm

morning

@William the best policy with backups is to accept all storage is transient, given a suitable amount of time

One is None

so the best backups is the ones that test themselves to make sure they work, let you test them, and are backed up to more than one place and/or rotated

One is sexy

There's a term for that

2 can be as bad as one , if the other one is none

ugh, I'm so sick of people trying to run modern software like the latest release of PhantomJS on ancient Linux distros like CentOS 6, or even 5

lol

@Psycogeek that was actually amusing ;p

people beg for binaries and have no idea that the compiler is so fucking old that you can't even build the software with the default compiler, so you'd have to use a custom compiler anyway, and are better off just pulling /usr/lib from a modern Linux distro, in which case you're basically in-place upgrading to a modern distro anyway

0_0

@allquixotic tbh, that almost sounds like one of the situations where "I only distribute this app as docker containers" almost makes sense.

CentOS 5 was new at some point during my lifetime! Heck even during my I.T. career

@Dog yeah, but technology ages much faster than humans, especially software, and especially open source software

CentOS 5 is as old as a 1970 car

hey my car works fine still :-)

and for a newish build there's little reason to go for oldstabiity

people are just lazy when it comes down to it

iirc our file server at work still runs Server 2003

I think I figured out the battery drain problem on my Galaxy S4. It wasn't the baseband but some stupid app constantly doing invisible wireless scans in the background.

Because on Android 5+ turning off WiFi doesn't actually turn off WiFi

@Dog O_o

"I can't! I have a Lollipop device!"

"base stations" wut?

@Dog @allquixotic well, it does kinda say right in the wifi page...

> To improve location accuracy, apps and services may scan for Wi-Fi networks while Wi-Fi is turned off. You can disable this in scanning settings.

yes, the last bit is actually a link

@allquixotic famous last words from computer maker genius , put your computer away :-)

oppenheimer said the same thing after his invention too, put the nukes away.

ORLY

It's there on Android 6+ but not 5. Also besides the point, when location services are off and WiFi is off and there are no non-google services running there should be nothing scanning.

@Dog hm, think I saw it on 5 on LG. def there on 6 with Samsung.

and yea it does scan even with loc off

^ Samsung, 6

also it doesn't get counted under battery usage or app location usage or cpu usage or wake usage

It basically doesn't show up anywhere

so when do we get President Trump?

under 24 hours now, yea?

!! Trump

pretty much

Do foxes sleep like cats then? Curled up in a cute fluffy ball?

@Bob Countdown to Trump

google image search suggests this is likely

hmm

hardware rec?

@JourneymanGeek Not a shopping question.

Could just as easily be a programming question ("where can I enable my code that uses rdrand")

Also works just fine as a SU question ("where can I use rdrand from X program?")

Its essentially asking for specific processor recs tho

and that would change with time

@JourneymanGeek I think this really is a special case

this is one of those things that doesn't really change

maybe if x86 dies in 10, 20 years

but that's ... yea...

I'm wondering it would better if it was "how do I find a AMD processor with RDRAND?"

@JourneymanGeek that's not how I'm interpreting the question, though :\

I don't think the OP's trying to find a specific processor

but more wants to know what the generational cut off point is

eh, I'll let it be ;p

*shrug*

I really wasn't sure here, enough to use my closehammer ;p

@JourneymanGeek oh wait, that comment on the answer... so he was looking to buy -_-

the question certainly doesn't read that way

Its kinda on the edge IMO

hm

that's interesting

the r60 allegedly does 1024x768 ... at 78hz

ugh

Agency I was dealing with called me up offering me a job at much lower than what I'm willing to accept, and said my salary expectations were unrealistic.

They're offering about 200 dollars less for a tech support role than my vocationally trained, greenhorn and entirely clueless co-worker was, and their sysop role's completely outside what I want to do.

Job's a job, but these folk seem exploitative and only seem to exist cause too many big government agencies and banks don't want to do their own IT since it's a cost centre

and at this point there's two levels of contracting going on so I have no clue how they actually save money.

@JourneymanGeek if it only saves them $5k, that's 5k in bonuses that the CEO can take, they'll take it

I suppose ><

ah heh. I suspect the places I bitch about arn't that unlike where @allquixotic works ;p

@allquixotic lol

Welp, applied for a paid internship in the cultural arts industry.

have fun ;)

Full-time 35 hours. It'll be somewhere in the city and will begin in the summer. I do not know when I'm getting an interview; I suppose it'll be early March.

@JourneymanGeek -_-

how hard is it to go, if(phoneToAdvertise.equals(currentPhone))?

(context: personalized email from Verizon Wireless advertising a "new phone" - the one I already have)

lol

is it at least a different colour?

@allquixotic I thought it was Amazon at first :P

@allquixotic Dumb marketing system.

not sure there's smart ones

I see this happen all the time. I buy a product, and I get ads for the same product. Problem is that they can't quite tell if you've actually bought the product or not through the advertising system.

lol

"I already own this product"

one simple change to these ads means

1) they get more information

2) they can target ads better

This would require a bit of extra server-side work to fix (tracking ID = "user with these interests + has purchased these items). Ideally, a targeted ad system should suggest accessories and other items to go with the recent purchase. It would also need to not do this with consumable items (like ink cartridges or candy).

Well, you might not want ads for ink cartridges...

or squid ink flavoured kitkat

(which is something I just made up, and probably exists.)

Of course, if the user opted out of targeted advertising, this would not be useful or necessary. Such information would be ignored for such users.

Which might be handy

or letting users watch for price drops on items and letting them know when that is

If you're looking to opt out, see networkadvertising.org/choices. I do tend to find relevant ads useful so I haven't opted out, but I do have Do Not Track enabled on my browser (which not many ad networks recognize or honor anyway).

Effective ads for me should be more "psst kid" than carnival busker

lol

So, I currently have my eyes on a DJI Mavic Pro. Would it be more effective to send me ads for phones or "hey, we have this in stock, and we have it currently at X price."

Yup.

If anyone's feeling too happy right now, try this thread: Which fictional character's death is the saddest?

awwwwww, sad times, good thing no actors were hurt in the making of :-)

PETA would be on them about that

butch and sundance , thelma & louise . while basically both suicide by thier own actions, still climactic

everytime they kill a zombie without a proper trial or public defender on The Walking Dead :-) You dont just toss out the constituion, anytime you feel like it.

Your honor my client may look dead, may act a little dead, may have eaten some flesh, but that does not give anyone the right to pass judgement on him without justice.

I'm not, so I'll pass ;)

Dija ever feel for a security guard or body guard? Wholesale slaughter of people who probably had kids and a life and obviously a job. but in the movies and series they are just action fodder.

to top it off , the real bad guy who caused and paid for all the problems, has to be alive and captured , but the minions they dont even count

How do you get IT folk to exercise?

Set up the IP Phones they need to test conferencing on in multiple rooms.

It's funny how we dev in a completely Windows environment, but I'm still running into CRLF/LF mixups with SVN.

Doggammit.

create a wifi access point using thier name , but then hide the hardware

SSID Name: Password written on whiteboard at reception

mandate the capture of 18 poke-e-mahn as a term building exercise

lol

man. learning to code is tiring.

and I learnt most of this before

(working through a book I picked up at a humble sale. Though, I'm using a spare PC with a pretty crappy screen so its less distracting)

What language?

python

Its not 'unhappy' tiring

I'm probably just using different parts of my brain

Tell IT the boss finnaly got them an upgraded computer build, and he wanted them to install it, but your not sure where in the building it is found

right, back to the next chapter ;)

@JourneymanGeek python is an interesting language :P

it requires different thinking from many others

I've used it for quick scripts, but for anything remotely complex... it really does feel like a chore

@Bob its also the one that feels like it makes the most sense to me ;)

lol

I have an eventual project in mind

@JourneymanGeek well, you won't know until you try others, would you? :P

(pssst, @BenN, here's our chance to get @JourneymanGeek into PS)

@Bob true

lol

PS is vaguely different tho

ya

personally, I'm not a fan of PS syntax either

in the sense of it being primarily a scripting language

I'm not sure if anyone particularly likes the syntax :P

same goes for bash, etc

with stuff like bash and even batch, I tend to work off a bunch of known snippets

@JourneymanGeek eh... python is very much a scripting language too

@JourneymanGeek ...how exactly do you think this normally goes? :P

it has a rediculously clean syntax tho

@Bob errrr

right, the secret of programmers. Everything's already been written? ;p

lol

left-pad!

other-left-pad

@JourneymanGeek beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that - python is clean in some ways, and hideous in others

especially their insistence on underscoring_all_the_damn_things

(though that's more a pain to type)

eh, some people like underscores :P

at least it's more consistent than PHP

@Bob I thought real programmers hated the use of whitespace over braces?

@JourneymanGeek heh... the whitespace thing is largely abstracted away by the IDE

and I indent properly anyway so it usually makes little difference

lol

yeah

I'm missing ST, but I need to look up setting it up for python3

and the pc I am using is literally unusable for anything else ;p

@JourneymanGeek vscode. seriously :P

lol

I really like sublime

for like... everything

slow computers require tight efficient code , if you can optomise it there, you can run it anywhere :-)

sublime is a text editor

vscode is a lightweight IDE

@Bob that does syntax highlighting, and you can, to some extent get IDE like features out of it.

seriously, though, having a proper debugger (breakpoints, variable watches/inspection) is invaluable

@JourneymanGeek there's no sublime plugin for python debugging, afaict

ah

and ugh. I know it sounds dumb

there's very limited follow-alone if you use PDBSublimeTextSupport but all commands still go through the gui

but I'll probably end up spending too much time trying to get vscode to how I like it ;p

PyScripter is also pretty good

but it's a rather different feel, and distinctly heavier

which is why I'm running geany (which is what the book suggests)

also feels like a UI from last decade :P

@JourneymanGeek Geany is ... bleh.

yup

but fundamentals first?

It kinda does what it says on the tin. Buuuuut.

Its... white on black

@JourneymanGeek Heh. I'm well past that stage, but whenever I try to fiddle with a new language, I always set up the environment first.

Because coding blind sucks

yeah, this syntax highlights

It's really nice to be able to run your code easily (see: debugger), view results easily (see: debugger) and view error output (see: debugger)

and in another 5 minutes I'm going to turn off the boing, and try to do another 20-30 minutes of this ;p

@JourneymanGeek syntax highlighting is very very basic... I'm talking catching errors like trying to compare an int and a string incorrectly

@Bob ah

I mean, they'll still throw exceptions

it's just faster and easier when your editor points you to the right line rather than having to hop between a console and the editor :P

but its simpler when you do bigger projects ya?

@JourneymanGeek Bigger projects, I use Visual Studio. Or NetBeans. The big IDEs :P

VSCode is very much small scripts and snippets

and do it in c#? ;p

(eh... it's basically an actively developed version of sublime with good debugger/language support)

@JourneymanGeek then I'd be in LINQPad, at least for the quick prototyping

and, I'm going to turn off the boing now

because vscode is good, but linqpad is still better for real quick scripts :P

See all y'all in a bit ;p

heh

@JourneymanGeek of course all your choice, but I'd still really suggest trying vscode and/or atom at some point. they're both pretty good lightweight IDEs. pretty sure they also come with sublime keymappings if that's your thing

vscode: python, sublime bindings

atom: python, sublime bindings (?)

sublime: python (??)

I remember jumping around between NP++, some old C++ IDE (Dev-C++? so old...) and Code::Blocks... oh, and vim. They all worked in a pinch but were slow and annoying for various reasons, even the auto-indenters being buggy and fighting me. Only really 'got into' programming with a good IDE... and of course now without some form of autocomplete (proper contextual complete, not the joke of regex matching NP++ uses) writing anything becomes a real pain.

lol.

@JourneymanGeek Your prime minister uses Dev-C++! :P arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/…

oooh, I almost forgot about KDevelop

actually that one was pretty good

haven't used it since I more or less dropped Kubuntu, but ... no bad memories :P

lol

> I remember jumping around between NP++, some old C++ IDE (Dev-C++? so old...) and Code::Blocks... oh, and vim.

This is what I'm trying to avoid at this point

@JourneymanGeek It was less really "jumping" and more trying to use one until it hurt too much

tbh, my big problem is maintaining my concentration ;p

That's why I suggested trying to find a good experience rather than sticking with a, frankly, subpar one :P

oh, now I remember where I heard of Geany

it used to be recommended. like... 5-10 years ago.

basically before any python IDEs really existed

*shrug* it looks to be on par with NP++ :P

@JourneymanGeek eh... that's where I can't help :P

goes with the whole needing something to do with it

oooh, have you tried those coding games?

they give you an actual challenge to beat at each step, sooo... :D

oh yea. python comes with a mini-IDE (IDLE) too. it's not bad, but some keyboard shortcuts are bleh.

lol

oh yea

@JourneymanGeek If you want python, I found the NCSS Python challenge really good. Straight from never-coded-before beginner to a fairly advanced one. IIRC it was a 5 week thing with 5 'challenges' per week (e.g. first week was ... write a string out, etc.)

ah the junior sysadmin job's a bust

but it looks like it's now a paid thing :(

@JourneymanGeek ...urk :(

@JourneymanGeek was that the recruiter one?

@Bob I find that to be 100% true. Desire to do something with it that functions , that outputs , that acts to your will. write the code demos in the book, then change the demo to output something different. book read yourself out to anywhere you would say "hmm i can make this thing with it" or "could it do this" then try.

Reading endless texts of the book without application, was like the time i tried to read microsofts 500+ page referance manuel , numb the mind, put me to sleep, or act on it. I could not see how anyone can attempt to memorise that quantity of data, without using or applying it.

@Bob kinda

there were 2 recruitment companies and a training place involved

that 39 though

gosh bob is on friday already. were still on thursday.

Bob knows the future

It's Friday here too

what are fridays lottery numbers? I'll split it with you :-)

@JourneymanGeek did you end up getting anywhere or did I sidetrack you too much? :P

Eh. Worked through most of the chapter on lists.

Then had to deal with emails.

Doing another 20 min after walkies

ah

my dogs ears just perked up

its that word , walkies , dont say it if you dont mean it :-)

Lol. On walkies now

> With transfer rates of 480 Gbps (Giga bits per second) you can be sure your phone and tablet will charge fast.

Amazon. pls.

@Dog looks like power consumption has calmed down to ~100 W. I haven't changed anything!

@JourneymanGeek I'm gonna give comGateway another shot :P

Try not to buy anything remotely power bank like

@JourneymanGeek uhm. uh oh?

my entire cart is USB-related :(

Lol

morning

'lo

lol why you want all those?

also morning yall

Can I enable copy/pasting to a vbox vm some how

was sure I could but can't see hte option now

@djsmiley2k yes, you can

echo "<input type=\"hidden\" value\"".$file_name . "\" name=\"file_name\">";

ah so much escaping

but I don't have vbox on this machine so *shrug*

@Bob ah ty :D

knowiung the option exists and I didn't imagine it, helps

it was either under VM settings or one of the menus

ah found it

clipboard -> bidirectional

<form action=\"process.php\" method=\"post\">
    <input type=\"hidden\" value=\"". $file_name . "\" name=\"file_name\">
    <input type=\"submit\" value=\"Process Now\" name=\"submit\">";

I'm sure there's a cleaner way to echo this out

Oh, single '

How could I forget?

@djsmiley2k the cleaner way is to use a templating engine

technically, PHP itself is a (poor) templating engine :P

this is a 10minute hack job / proof of concept

It's not even part of 'my job' as such

i.e. rather than echo you'd, say, write it as HTML and then stick a <?php only where you need to access vars

ah yeah

that is cleaner, but i'm terribad

@djsmiley2k you'd also need the addon tools package on the guest

hm

trying to remember if there was something else I was meant to buy

would be rather awkward to realise after

@JourneymanGeek also debating sending cgw a preemptive email telling them this has no batteries :P

lol

oh yea I need more SATA power cables

@JourneymanGeek yup, already installed that one

the ones included with the PSU are awkwardly spaced just too closely together for me to use two adjacent plugs on two adjacent SSDs

funnily enough both case and PSU are Corsair

I just created my first virus (just for fun, I swear)... And no anivirus software detects it...

This is pretty pathetic

what does the virus do?

does it self-replicate?

Yes, it does

and what does it do?

Other details will not be disclosed until I finish working on this, I think I've struck gold xD

Then it shall make for a brilliant blog post

._.

How does it propergate D:

akitaonrails.com/2017/01/17/optimizing-linux-for-slow-computers

> A "slow" computer is not necessarily sporting old CPUs. I am doing my tests on a very old Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 71z tower desktop. It has an old 2nd generation Intel Core 2.4Ghz 4 cores SandyBridge CPU.

runs linux with no mods on a 8 year old core 2 duo....

> This extension alone can save you a couple of GIGABYTES of RAM, which is no small thing if you have 8GB or less.

512mb. byotch pleeze

lol

plz see raspi

I ran *(and compiled parts of) gentoo on a raspi

ionice is your friend

Dude. That's cause its TRUE

yup

in every legend, there is a kernel of truth

KDE is designed for the newest systems, and them only

And by kernel, you mean

but people hear the 'linux will run on anything' and expect the newest best kde, on everything

@JourneymanGeek lol not sure what you mean here?

the truth is out there?

@djsmiley2k the truth with set you free roll over you like a bolder.

And it's huge and going to flatten you?

That's indy!

:D right

Awww cute

php's move_uploaded_file doesn't write out any error message when it fails

it just silently fails \o/

And now the fun part, import the xls file, change it to csv and simply display it for now

problems like this are the worst, as there's so many changes to libs over time

so what was right 6 months ago is hugely out of date now

does it not return a 0 if it fails?

which you can test for

@Burgi maybe

it didn't write out anything to the error log

which is bad times

concidering debug is enabled

w3schools.com/php/func_filesystem_move_uploaded_file.asp

yus that

> This function returns TRUE on success, or FALSE on failure.

you load it against a variable then test in your code if the move has worked

yup

everything else writes out to the error log on failure

this doesn't

that's derp D:

Anyway, excel to csv... ?