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> @bub

I somehow thought that was @Bob

Its a much better place to ask it, and its got a few eyes on it already it, since I threw it in a chatroom a lot of folk there hang out in

@allquicatic ;p

@allquicatic o.O

2:02 PM

@allquicatic dyslexia , poor eyesight or both?

Why don't you invert the quantum capacitor matrix and remodulate the temporal graviton coupling while you're at it too

I thought JMG was on his phone typoing

>_>

I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK!

@Burgi Facepalm

damn my paws

2:02 PM

At least you understood it which I didn't

@allquicatic Me too, till I looked at the picture

@PotatoCat no no. You need to encapsulate the retroencombulator first

@PotatoCat i am making the assumption that they don't operate a restrictive whitelist only firewall

!! s/com/ca/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquicatic @PotatoCat no no. You need to encapsulate the retroencabulator first (source)

no no. Different widget. This has a different polarity of neutrino-positorn emissions.

2:06 PM

You need to bypass the dorsal supersonic density manipulator before you do that or you risk irreparably damaging the antigravity vacuum conduit if you ever balance the microprism tachyon chamber.

Make sure you do it with Javascript though

there we go, that's 6 years worth of bank statements downloaded o.O

> If we don't calibrate the rubidium shock data core, the soylent warp shaft could explode.

<3 DTA

@Bob That's what you were doing this entire time? o_0

I should do that

> I'm detecting an antimatter particle trace in the torsional charm emitter.

@PotatoCat yea I just noticed Amex only keeps the last 6 months so decided to go and download all statements for all my cards and accounts

2:07 PM

scifiideas.com/technobabble-generator

I should go.

my bank only keeps 7 years apparently

@Bob Oh

I've got a weird mix... one of my banks shows a year, the other shows everything since I opened the account in '06, the other shows 6 years

@PotatoCat reddit.com/r/vxjunkies

IIRC they have to keep 6 years for legal purposes anyway, so I could DPA it

Bank statement for: The only cat that's ever had a penny to its name
Balance: Poundsymbolthingy-awwhatthehell #-176.83
Address: Roaming the streets, UK

2

2:08 PM

Cause otherwise my accounts are incomplete. But then, I have no job or home so having a 100% accurate record of trivial 6-year-old transactions shouldn't really be my priority

> Can someone here explain how Monads in Haskell work?

LOL

@allquicatic Aww :-P

(the theme of the sub is made-up incomprehensible technobabble, so... monads in haskell :D)

@Bob awesome

wtf is vxjunkies

2:10 PM

also, I'm a member of the Department of Redundancy Department apparently

> VXJunkies

Looking for a double-helix transistor to magnify your oblidisk? Want to discuss ballooning algorithms or Dormison's Paradox? Ever wondered about Swedish teutonic logic commands, the Hans-Rodenheim Law of Vectoral Momentum, Fankel readings, Mornington axions, the Armistan Codex, Envels, or the newest breakthroughs in ion insulate module technology?
Come here for all your VX needs, whether it be tech updates, fixes, or conventions!

Yeah that doesn't really explain much

Turbo Encabulator - Rockwell

►

Dammit OVH where is my server

120 seconds my arse

"Turbo Encabulator" the Original

@PotatoCat are they responding to tickets?

Oh, better one

►

@Bob No idea

2:13 PM

@PotatoCat have you tried filing a ticket?

@Bob No >_>

@PotatoCat ...might help

@Bob Might alert them to the fact I hacked the website to place an order I shouldn't have been able to >_>

-_-

@PotatoCat what exactly did you do? :P

>_>

2:15 PM

thought it was just trying to target a specific DC

which might also explain why it's borked

nothing

@Bob Pretty much

Last time I hacked it I did a better job, and managed to see the hidden per-DC availability, but this time I was dumber and impatient

-_-

@PotatoCat couldn't you have just asked them for a server in a specific DC?

I'm assuming you just want to be in the same DC as other servers you have...

@Bob No, SYS doesn't allow it

ah

Debugging/hacking web pages on a 12" 720p screen is a bitch >_<

2:21 PM

@PotatoCat then don't do that! ;)

heh, the default apparent res on a Macbook Pro Retina is 1280x800, but you can bump it up to 1:1 pixel ratio (no supersampling) if you want... it's just slower

I have it running at 1440x900... nice compromise

even Apple programs like Logic Pro are unusable at 1280x800

@allquicatic I'm not taking a crappy server in Strasbourg again -_- their interconnects there are shite

._.

I'm getting one of these Monday www3.lenovo.com/au/en/tablets/windows-tablets/…

2160x1440 in 12" sounds like fun

in the not-so-nice way :P

Niice

But, hey, 1080x720 at 200% scaling anyone? same size as Cat's one then :P

2:28 PM

@Bob IMO you need a balance between good PPI and lots of workspace, for anything you intend to do serious work on

https://ws.ovh.com/dedicated/r2/ws.dispatcher/getAvailabilityAndOptionsFromRefe‌rence?callback=angular.callbacks._1&params={"sessionId":"classic/anonymous-c23a63‌eb86ce2e3c3b7194c1b4c1d5e7","reference":"161sys4"}

1280x800 supersampled up to the native res of the MBP Retina display looks amazing, everything is big and beautiful, but it's terrible for actual productivity

but running it at the native res of the monitor makes text impossible to read

It was an impulse/accidental purchase ($600) cause the Cube tablet's charging port is basically not working now and I've been waiting for over two weeks for the USB-PD charger I don't even know will work.

@allquicatic What is the native res anyway?

@allquicatic Eh, I prefer DPI-aware scaling over supersampling.

@Bob 2800x1800

Vector scaling of fonts, etc., is great.

@allquicatic In what physical size?

2:30 PM

@Bob 13"

Supersampling at anything other than a multiple of 2 is... not so great.

> angular.callbacks._1({"answer":[{"__class":"dedicatedType:dedicatedAvailabilityAndOptionsFromReferenceList","displayMetazones":0,"comment":"","reference":"161sys4","metaZones":
[{"__class":"dedicatedType:dedicatedAvailabilityAndOptionsFromReferenceZoneStruct","availability":"unknown","zone":"centralEurope"},
{"__class":"dedicatedType:dedicatedAvailabilityAndOptionsFromReferenceZoneStruct","availability":"1H-high","zone":"fr"},
{"__class":"dedicatedType:dedicatedAvailabilityAndOptionsFromReferenceZoneStruct","availability":"unknown","zone":"northAmerica"},

Well that explains it

@Bob I think "Retina" somehow does a mix of supersampling and DPI-aware font scaling, because the fonts are sharper and clearer on my MBP than any other device I use

and booting into Windows Bootcamp at any resolution/scaling looks horrible by comparison

@allquicatic Ah. I have a 3600x1800 laptop in 13.3" :P

there's definitely some (good) font mojo in OS X

2:32 PM

And, yea, at 100% scaling - it's basically unusable.

I picked a datacentre the server is unavailable in. Stupid me

@allquicatic Eh. Depends. It's more that some Windows applications don't do fonts right.

*looks at Chrome*

Seriously, Chrome's font rendering is absolutely atrocious.

Firefox manages to do it right. IE and Edge too (obviously).

@PotatoCat urk. refund?

Well I'm an idiot

@allquicatic An interesting thing is that Windows tends to prefer subpixel rendering but greyscale/full-pixel antialiasing might work better on really high DPI.

But that can be calibrated in Windows anyway.

@Bob the cheapie?

Oh

My brother bought a nice colour caliberation probe

I'm borrowing it tommorrow <3

2:40 PM

@JourneymanGeek ?

@Bob Well I was going to cancel and re-order but there seems to be no cancel button. Hopefully they can just reallocate it but maybe I'll have to re-order after they manually issue a refund

Their ordering systems are retardedly inflexible

bub

@JourneymanGeek Thank you so much! Will do

@Bob the cube

@JourneymanGeek ah, yea

it's one of those thin barrel plugs that breaks if you look at it funny

Last time I ordered a server, prepaid one year, and about six IP blocks, and it was put in a crappy DC, I asked for it to be moved and they couldn't, they'd rather refund the setup fee, 1 year's rental, and un-register all the IP blocks because they couldn't just shift it onto an identical box in a different DC

2:42 PM

and the cable was short enough that use in bed tended to tug on it

is the charger broken or the connector?

@Bob I'd spend the time to do ClearType tuning.

maybe it's just that Apple ships their products with the fonts pre-tuned to the hardware whereas I'm used to default ClearType (non-tuned) sucking on the rest of my devices

@JourneymanGeek Display calibration or what? I stil have my ColorMunki Display.

That's funny, OVH's website shows availability as '120 sec' when their availability API says '1H' or '24H'

2:43 PM

never actually tuned ClearType on Windows before

As in, it was all a lie all along

@PotatoCat FALSE ADVERTISING

Sue

@bwDraco Not actually sure which one

@Bob Why?????

Remember that Windows lets you tune ClearType to optimize font rendering for each display.

2:44 PM

yeah, display caliberator

Sue them for the right to live in the basement of a DC and plug your own networking hardware into an unrestricted, uncapped, unfiltered symmetrical 40 Gbps ethernet cable

one of em probe things

@bwDraco Not necessarily. The correct choice might be to turn off ClearType so it falls back to greyscale rendering (cc @allquicatic)

I'm deliberately looking for laptops with lower resolution since all the higher resolution does on a small screen is make the battery drain faster (a lot faster in some cases)

Yet a lot of the options (e.g. OLED, 120Hz, IPS, touch) are often only available with the ridiculously high-DPI "top end" option

@Bob I meant in theoretical computer science terms.

2:45 PM

@PotatoCat was a mistake at the time :P

I'd just perfer 1080p for a laptop.

@PotatoCat If they made a stream with a better display...

That Brazilian Guy

Trump says Brazilian immigrants are Latino pigs Oink oink?

OK, the other Canadian girl is back, annoying guy is gone, now I'm gonna prepare to leave

@HassanAlthaf Eh, I deal with practical stuff. And I don't think "loader" is particularly well defined outside of a particular implementation anyway.

2:45 PM

@allquicatic No no. Plain CS theory.

@ThatBrazilianGuy he's going to make you build a wall

A "loader" could just as easily have nothing to do with the kernel.

@Bob Unfortunately, my curriculum includes it without any proper explanation.

@Burgi Hahaha

java is a "loader" for Java programs.

2:46 PM

@Bob It's easily defined! It's a thing that loads

@HassanAlthaf I don't think there is a theoretical necessary design of any particular dynamic linker/loader or library, without any sort of reference to existing de facto OS implementations, like Solaris, or Linux, or Windows, or OS X

Anything that loads something is a loader!

Oh DLL loader

nvm

sounds right. Most curricula are.

@Bob I see. Half of my syllabus doesn't make sense. I find contradictory statements for everything in the internet.

2:47 PM

@HassanAlthaf Welcome to being an undergrad :P

@HassanAlthaf Your professor, learning materials and course are doing it wrong, then, and you need to tell them that if they're going to teach specifics about an operating system, then they need to say WHICH operating system; otherwise, if they're trying to tell you what a "best practice" is, they need to explicitly state that they are claiming it's a best practice to do X, and explain why that is

@HassanAlthaf the secret is to give the lecturer exactly what he expects ;)

Surrounded by too many canadian girls

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi I'll build Trump a wall any time if he change his name to Fortunato.

Two of which are rather dumb, and one of which is moving in here

Argh

Runawayyyyyyyy

2:48 PM

@allquicatic We're not going into that depth. Just the functions of the "loader." I found that their features are pretty much similar to that of the Kernel. Hence, it confuses me if they are the same or if the loader is a subset of the Kernel.

@ThatBrazilianGuy FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MONTRESOR!

@PotatoCat I'm sorry but I read that in JMG's voice

@Bob I'm not an undergrad. I'm schooling.

@allquicatic >_>

@HassanAlthaf undergrads school. Allegedly

@allquicatic woof wooof arrooo woof?

2:49 PM

so do fish

I really need a sense of humor.

@allquicatic Unfortunately, they find it quite offensive if I ask them to define a more clear context.

@HassanAlthaf that's what tutorials are for

@JourneymanGeek That's what I have been doing lately.

@HassanAlthaf within GNU/Linux, the dynamic loader is a shared object just like any other, which gets linked into most executables to provide a wrapper around Linux's userland ABI to enable the dynamic resolution of library symbols at runtime

2:49 PM

@JourneymanGeek I did go through some, but didn't find anything related to my content.

and it isn't a "part of" the kernel at all

@Burgi for context... when we play SCL, "Follow the hobbit!" and "RUN AWAAAYYYY" gets said a lot

@HassanAlthaf The ELF loader in Linux is part of the kernel. Likewise for the PE loader in Windows. The ELF loader in OS161 is too.

@HassanAlthaf tutorials are actual face to face class time

@Bob we're already getting confused because his course doesn't specify what kind of loader :S

2:50 PM

@allquicatic That too :P

dynamic loader = 100% userland, though a lot of the guts that make it work are the back-end of the kernel syscalls it uses

I'm talking program loader. You're talking dynamic library loader.

@JourneymanGeek From someone who has to study the content before teaching us?

@JourneymanGeek sword coasts legend?

@Burgi yup

2:50 PM

@allquicatic And that's only for Linux. I believe the Windows one does step into the kernel.

We had a game going on at one point

I'm sick of Computer Science at School.

Luckily, Wikipedia is of great help.

On 64-bit Ubuntu 16.04, the dynamic loader is at /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2

@HassanAlthaf Sorry - while we're perfectly happy to have a discussion on the various meanings, you need to keep in mind that (a) what we say might not necessarily be right, and (b) what we say probably won't match your lecturer/grader's expectations.

@HassanAlthaf school is massively annoying ;p

2:52 PM

@allquicatic Chill, we don't go to that depth. Just theoretical loader. On the surface, we define what it is and what its functions are.

@JourneymanGeek You stole my words. Day by day, you learn you've been learning crap before.

*shrug*

@HassanAlthaf I might have dropped out of uni once or twice

@HassanAlthaf The "theoretical loader" doesn't do anything... there's no well-defined set of functions for the term "loader".

most computer science education is horrid

You (or your course) are basically making up your own definition for "loader"

2:53 PM

like, worldwide

@Bob We have to memorize the IEEE. Nothing can be worser than that.

@HassanAlthaf LOL

all of the IEEE?

"memorize the IEEE"

There's a summarized IEEE version

2:53 PM

(isn't that an organisation?)

With some 8 points or something

there are like, thousands of standards and groups and sub-groups and disciplines associated with the IEEE

Nah, just the programmer part

I don't understand how that is computer science

..... that doesn't even come close to narrowing it down in any way

Specially, for a school student.

-_-

I cannot seem to find it on the internet.

2:55 PM

I implemented an ELF loader for OS/161 (part of an OS course in uni), so I know (the parts I remember, anyway) what that loader does. But that really doesn't tell me anything about how, say, the Windows PE loader works...

But it is like 8 points long.

@HassanAlthaf Uh. programmer part?

@HassanAlthaf cynically speaking, school's a place where you convince people you know stuff, and learn little.

;)

@Bob Something related to programmers

Course, I'm the one with a wierd degree

2:55 PM

I mean... the IEEE really has... little to do with programming.

@JourneymanGeek At the end of the day, University of Cambridge is going to mark my final exam papers. I need to be sure that my school is teaching the right thing as wlel.

wait

A/O levels?

Advanced.

@JourneymanGeek Really depends on the lecturer, IMO.

OH

2:56 PM

Full of bullshit.

@HassanAlthaf there's pretty much always a 'standard' syllabus

just check up on that

Yes.

It has just the topics we need.

to learn

yup yup

@HassanAlthaf Waiiiiiit. Is this some high/secondary school thing?

and old exam papers

2:57 PM

Depth is not mentioned.

@Bob Last exam level.

@Bob Yeah!

er

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

between high school and uni

@JourneymanGeek This subject is new. It used to be Computer Studies. New syllabus for us.

erf

2:57 PM

We're officially fucked to the core.

Yea, "computer science" courses at that level often teach out-of-date crap from the 90s, and you just have to learn the course to BS your way through :P

prolly explains why the teaching is a bit naff

JMG's "yuck" is "erf"; Bob's 's "urk"; I need one

...ack? can a cat/fwog say that?

ack

@allquicatic erf has more nuance than that.

I agree. Apparently, compilers are fed with BNF instructions to define syntax