jimchristie

@Willeke I'm not a racer either. Touring is my thing. I used to be a full-time commuter, but my wife and I moved to the country about 8 years ago and it's 40 miles (64 km) to the grocery store, half of which is on the interstate, so that's not happening anymore.

@Willeke How do you see yourself at odds with the general attitudes on the site?

This discussion has become very adversarial. Everyone, please try to keep the conversation cordial.

I had to look that term up, btw

@AndyP Criggie's not the one you have to worry about. I'm the "glow in the dark." :D

My gut says to reopen it, but I'm reluctant to overturn 5 users without a better understanding of what the community thinks is wrong with the question.

I was just looking at that Meta question and I have to admit, I'm a little unclear on why the question was initially closed

@freiheit Yay

@Mσᶎ You may not have seen it, but Gary.Ray left a comment suggesting this post regarding why we shouldn't edit out spam links: meta.superuser.com/questions/3574/…

@Mσᶎ It was actually automatically deleted. Questions are auto-deleted if they are marked as spam six times.

@nhinkle That's really cool!

@nhinkle Omg. So shiny!

@nhinkle I saw a couple of posts from you that indicated that. :) Thank you!

@nhinkle Thanks! I'd offer my condolences, but something tells me you're not exactly broken up. :)

Per the help center: Comments should not be used for “...secondary discussion or debating a controversial point; please use chat instead.”

Per the help center: Comments should not be used for “...secondary discussion or debating a controversial point; please use chat instead.”

When you say "highest possible gear," do you mean big ring on the front and small ring on the back (like the second picture), or big ring on the front and big ring on the back (like the last two pictures)?

@Ӎσᶎ @freiheit had to tell me about that little trick. And we've had a conversation or two in comments where there is no reply button.

@Ӎσᶎ I actually have to cut and paste your name anytime I want to mention you in a post. :)

Thank you!

@freiheit Awesome!

@freiheit Yeah... I use Linux...

@freiheit So when and how do we find out the results? The suspense is killing me!

Too bad we don't have exit polls. :)

@freiheit No telling!

If I were to be elected as a mod, of course.

@freiheit I didn't think that you were just mindlessly leaving anything open if it wasn't 110% cut and dry that it should be closed. But given some of the stuff that I see stay open for a relatively long time when I know you've been on the site, I think you're a bit less aggressive about closing things than I'd be inclined to be.

@Ӎσᶎ Wake up in a sweat... "Must moderate... Can't... access... internet... Oh, the horror!"

@Ӎσᶎ I'll have mine implanted directly into my brain. I'll literally dream Bicycles SE.

@Ӎσᶎ I'm not saying that mods should just jump in and close any question that they don't like. Shopping questions have been discussed on Meta several times and the general consensus there is that at best they're a pain, and at worst should be made explicitly off topic. Either way, people don't love them. So if a mod sees one that he/she thinks should be closed and it already has two votes on it, that's far from a made-up new rule. That feels to me like enforcing community consensus.

@Ӎσᶎ I'm sure he will. He's on here so much that I don't think he eats, sleeps, or works.

In my opinion, anyway.

In the sense that moderators are "human exception handlers," mods should feel free to act on the indication of community consent on a site that's too small/slow to live up to the close standards of Stack Overflow.

@Ӎσᶎ You may be right. But if that's really the issue and a mod was looking at a question that had received two close votes, I would think it would be ok for the mod to go ahead and cast the third close vote. Provided of course that the mod agreed with those close votes.

@freiheit I don't love identify my bike posts, I just can't think of a valid reason that they're off topic. As I mentioned in the comments, the biggest problem I have with them is that they're not searchable in a way that's useful for future visitors.

bicycles.stackexchange.com/help/badges/80?page=1

As a side note, I'm stoked to see such great voter turnout.

I too would like to see shopping questions go away. I'm guessing @freiheit has access to the number of "leave open" votes that get cast on these questions, which would seem to indicate that at least some part of the community wants them open. But it's clear that a significant part of the community would like to be rid of them. This might present an example where it's time for moderators to step in and make a decision.

@freiheit Is voting to close inconsistent on other questions, or is it just on shopping questions?

And there was another Meta post about explicitly banning product rec questions on the vote-to-close page that didn't receive the same overwhelming support, but also didn't receive any opposition. meta.bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/828/…

Sorry, paste error. This is the post I meant. meta.bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/828/…

@freiheit @freiheit How do you figure that it's not clear that the community thinks shoppign questions should go? Your Meta post on shopping questions received strong support. meta.bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/828/…

@freiheit The monitor I have at work (don't tell my boss I'm doing this right now) kind of sucks and the post you replied to was off the screen.

@freiheit What are the "those" that you're referring to?

What?!!? You guys skip days!?!?!? AND take vacations!?!?! Unacceptable. ;)

Perceived problems, I should say.

I didn't think the problems that @Ӎσᶎ is referring to are a part of Bicycles SE, so much as they're problems with the SE system at large. Have I misunderstood?

There's also certainly no doubt that some stuff can be better documented. But SE is a large and quickly growing organism. I'm willing to cut the team a bit of slack and assume that they're doing the best they can just to keep up.

And I think it's equally good that every once in a while, the higher ups, like Jeff, make a decision on a contentious issue that the public sphere has been able to solve. Sometimes decisive action is needed.

It sounds to me like the things that you're seeing as problems, I see as strengths. I think it's a good thing that the community doesn't receive a lot of guidance on certain issues, like shopping questions. This gives individual SE communities the ability to determine what's important to them.