Please stop being evil

ok

Because falling shouldn't be run the XGE way, and also 'we jump off and cast featherfall should probably just work without readying, and also creatures fall as a group all the time anyways (e.g. pit traps, AOE spells, group teleportation)

the sorcerer can feather fall or not, fall, then the party jumps.

the sorcerer jumps

So, the party readies for after the sorcerer jumps

Because there's no point at which more than one creature is falling that the sorcerer can target.

No, because feather fall is an exception to the general rule in that it allows you to interrupt falling. It's also clear that feather fall is supposed to resolve before its trigger (the fall) so there's no problem there either.

with the falling rules the sorcerer fall the whole distance immediately before any other creature can step off the cliff (reactions happen after their triggers). Thus the party is out of range when they step off (assuming they do that all at once). You'd need to have the sorcerer also ready an action for this to work without falling being the PHB (or some other non-XGE) version, but then you can't cast featherfall

I suppose you could use the fall rules but not the reactions-after-triggers rules (and, obviously, not the simultaneity rules) , though. That would work.

Note also that this requires you to not be using the XGE rules for falling or simultaneous action-- if you use either this plan won't work. There's no problem if you are using the PHB rules, though.

@GcL You're gonna have that anyways. You could just say 'no arbitrary or infinite loops' or you could say 'at the moderate optimization level' or 'with this actually reasonable distribution of magical items'.

I don't have a problem with optimization questions but these max damage questions often, like in this case, have really overly-weird premises. Why no magic items? Why is that "average" damage? Why all saves are made and all attacks hit? What is an 'official' rule? Any level? Like, level 20/20/20/20/20/20/20 multiclasses are okay? What is 'consistent'? You unlock the whole Epic Boons section without limit on how many you can have, but only if you also get the one you buy from Abberent Dragonmark? Why? Summoned creatures aren't outside help? etc.

@Anagkai I tried to back up my answer with examples and a little bit of personal experience at the end. Would you like it to be supported with more concrete examples, like citations to and explanations of old D&D classics like Keep on the Borderlands or were you hoping for a more academic sort of support (e.g. IJRPG citations)? I can probably do the former but the latter is a bit out of reach for my currently available amount of effort, unfortunately ^^;

That's my 2 cents anyways.

But in the current form, being like "what are some examples of game systems that do X, but, like, earlyish I guess" is totally closeworthy.

Regardless, it's not a reason to close the question-- I just don't think it shows research effort or is interesting/useful. That's very different than closeworthy.

And advice like "If this pregen dude dies, just swap the name and use it again", but I'll need a module for that, it's true.

It is if there's a pregen, no?

But, yeah, if that's what they want that's fine.

Ok. Well, if they edit it to that, I'd vote to reopen. With their new definition of fluff, though, I imagine the first game that officially lets you pick your character's name will work. I don't have a full OD&D set right now, but I'm guessing Supplement I Greyhawk will handle it prolly.

What's an example of X game is game-rec and a problem for that reason. "What's the earliest RPG to do X" would be okay, but I don't think that's what the OP wants

I think the pluralization there is important.

oh, there it goes

dang formatting

Examples. Systems. I

@HellSaint No, this is exactly the sort of open-ended list that is a problem and also why game-recs were banned, separately. Not sure why it got reopened.

@HellSaint No, this is exactly the sort of open-ended list that is a problem and also why game-recs were banned, separately. Not sure why it got reopened.

I’m voting to close this question because it's a request for an open-ended list, not a question of any sort, and if edited into the nearest question would be a shopping question

That also means that the weird difference between the Wizard and Battle Host bonded object isn't a thing, because the Wizard class feature didn't need to say 'not made of special materials', which is relevant for a build I have. Woops.

*makes sense

But I think the idea that it's not actually iron steel or wood, like, in the same way as Special Materials have properties, but instead only sometimes an actual thing and usually just a lack of material properties in the same way a weapon usually lacks magic, modifications, or other optional additional subsystems

Hence the confusion on account of, for me, material not being something added to a weapon but something weapons always have to have, just it's usually iron, steel, or wood.

That seems textually supported by the materialless weapon hp and hardness table stuff, but I've always thought those were just helpful references combining object size with 'probably made of iron' v.s. 'probably made of wood'

I think I figured it out! I also clicked move to chat before post so now I have to retype this comment. Basically Special Materials are not just less common they're actually different for you, which is why a bone club and a +1 club seem like the same thing here, because for you 'bone' and '+1' are both additions to club, rather than something that has to be there

@HeyICanChan You can't get a ranged weapon with shadow weapon, the point is it's made of skymetal in the default description (unhelpfully doesn't specify which, but I think Adamantine is said to be the default there somewhere). But if the (implied) restriction to only mundane, non-modded, ?iron or wood? weapons is not based off of those being (most of) the default versions for weapons in the weapon tables, then there isn't a problem; you just couldn't pick a weapon that was skymetal by default or if you do it's iron instead or something.

Also there are a couple of weapons with innate magical effects or which you would probably say have default special materials e.g. the Null Blade and, though not a melee weapon, the Id Rifle, both from the technology guide. Presumably you can pick those since even e.g. a default Null Blade has said properties and Null Blade is an entry on the weapon list in an equipment section and not, e.g., a magic item section.

Under the second reading, since the spell doesn't say you get to choose what size the weapon is, is it some sort of 'default size'? Like, if you are an Ogre Mage and you cast shadow weapon you get an (inappropriately sized) Small or Medium weapon I guess?

Given your explanation re: Dragon Compendium, did you mean to indicate that all licensed content is allowed?

wellp. At least I figured out what game I was thinking of

....and the itch version is gone because now it is on steam XD

sorry about that XD;

It is called Iris and the Giant

Haha! I have found it

Wellp, it's not tagged roguelike. Time to try card game

There were benefits unlocked across runs that let you, e.g., start with different cards at the beginning.

There was a boss which was a giant mimic which, once you defeated it, you jumped inside in order to continue progressing.

and then level 2 always had whatever level 2 had. The minotaur was the first or second boss and the other one was a giant skeleton. In between the two was the cave where the lanes dropped down to 2 for a level and had less in general.

so level 1 always had, iirc, 5 lanes two of which did nothing.

While the levels were procedurally generated the number of lanes per level was set

Most of them had 4-6, I would guess