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8:00 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Absolutely not.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My boys had access to both. They were not interested in nuturing play.
 
Children who are young enough not to know that they're "supposed to" prefer cars or prefer dolls will still, MOST of the time, follow the expected preference.
 
@KitFox whereas my boy is. So generalizing based on a few data points is meaningless.
 
@KitFox Let me go out on a limb and label your boys as exceptional.
 
@DavidWallace I don't believe that.
 
8:01 PM
I'm just saying it's not necessarily a learned behavior.
My boys like to play dress-up.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, it's MY experience, from the children that I have observed.
 
But they wear superhero costumes.
 
@DavidWallace Ha! shut up! everyone's kids are exceptional. Some just don't live up to potential.
 
My son's dolls are called "action figures", for some reason.
 
They engage in cooperative play, but in a different way than my niece does.
 
8:02 PM
Anyway, even if that is the case. wouldn't it be beneficial to teach boys nurturing? It's pretty important. Teaching them cooperation instead of combat? etc.
 
but they'll never win in fights if they try to cooperate.
 
So do we want our children, when they play with toys, to have fun, or to learn their parents' values?
 
They look out for each other, but the nurturing that they like is different than caring for a doll baby.
 
@DavidWallace Both.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Good luck with that.
 
8:03 PM
And I don't want to bog down my brain with being worried that I might be teaching my boys stereotypical gender roles by accident.
 
@DavidWallace are you serious? when my kids play I am constantly teaching values to them.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm delighted to hear that. But don't expect the toys to help you.
 
@KitFox well, you are, everyone is, there's no way to raise a gender-free child.
 
@KitFox assuming there's something wrong with stereotypical gender roles.
 
@DavidWallace Why shouldn't I expect the toys to help me?
 
8:04 PM
The child will play with whichever toys they find the most fun.
 
The toys are products that I buy. If a toy doesn't promote the values I care about, I won't let my children have it. That's called parenting.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What about gay boys and gay girls? Do they like “the other” kind of toys, or doesn’t it work that way at all?
 
Well, my boys like the toys I tell them to like.
 
"boy toy" now sounds almost OK.
 
passes @Mitch a boy toy for his delectation
 
8:05 PM
@tchrist I don't know. I don't know any children whose sexuality has been confirmed one way or another.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What happens when they get birthday presents from people?
 
@tchrist Thanks, but no, I just had a snack.
 
@DavidWallace If I don't think the toy is appropriate they don't get to keep it.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The gayest kid I know still plays with boy toys.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I know...that happens at confirmation.
 
8:06 PM
@Mitch Don’t worry, this one tastes like chicken.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha, you're obviously not married to my ex-wife.
 
@KitFox All the kids I know are 5 and under. I haven't a clue if any of them are gay or not.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They probably haven’t, either.
 
We knew this kid was gay really early on.
It's been good for his dad.
 
Good how so?
Knowing?
Or simply having a son?
 
8:07 PM
To get used to the idea and also to realize that there's no way he can change it.
 
Ah.
 
@DavidWallace no, but seriously. isn't one of my duties as a parent to ensure that my values get passed on to my child? especially if I perceive that society's values aren't in line with my own, and I disapprove of society in this regard? And if a toy undermines that, shouldn't I withhold it?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Please don’t give children toy guns.
That kind of thing?
 
My boys have lots of toy guns.
 
@tchrist They only toy guns in the house are the kinds that minifigs have.
When the kids are older, they might have water guns.
 
8:09 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 There's a difference between undermining values and just not teaching any.
 
We use them when negotiations fail.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Teach them to fill balloons with water to make water grenades.
 
@KitFox You are NOT serious!
 
Speaking of which, in the car a couple of days ago, my almost 3-year-old son says "Mommy, when I'm big enough to be a pirate, I'm gonna kill all these cars with my sword."
 
@DavidWallace Well, I can be flexible. If a toy only undermines my values a little, or whatever, then maybe I just discuss it with my children. But they don't just get unfettered access to every toy ever made.
 
8:10 PM
I said, "Why would you do that, honey?"
He says, "Well, because they wouldn't listen to me."
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Don't you think the freedom to make their own choices is also important?
 
I said, "I think there are more constructive ways to resolve your differences."
 
@Cerberus they aren't informed enough to make their own choices.
 
He was quiet awhile, then he said. "Yeah, I guess they could think about it for awhile."
 
@KitFox my three-year-old is always going on about shooting stuff. He gets it from his friends at day-care. It bugs me.
 
8:12 PM
@KitFox I know! They should pull over and let us through!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If you tell them what to play with all the time, don't you think that teaches them that freedom and being an individual are not important?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I understand that, and it would bug me too; but it has little or no bearing on what he will be like as an adult.
 
It's true though, we have a lot of guns. Gramma likes to get them dart guns. I asked her to please stop with the projectile weapons.
 
@Cerberus Are you kidding? "tell them what to play with all the time"? It's not like that at all. They have lots of toys. all kinds of play possibilities. But certain toys they don't have, and won't.
 
Like which?
 
@KitFox and they could do that if they pulled over. Learn what they're doing wrong by being in my way. It'd be the right thing to do.
 
8:13 PM
@Cerberus well, like guns for instance.
 
like Cerberus Dolls
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Really?
 
Cerberus is a doll now?
 
@MattЭллен !
 
Yeah, too much hades
 
8:13 PM
what? It's not a doll?
 
thinks they’ll all toying with the pup
 
@Cerberus yes, really. What do they need guns for? I want to discourage violence.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We had tons of toy guns in all sizes and shapes. Didn't make us murderous terrorists.
 
OFFS
 
8:14 PM
@MattЭллен Awww I like!
 
@Cerberus It isn't about making you into murderous terrorists. It's about teaching problem solving through non-violence.
 
We also have a selection of light sabers.
 
Although I'd prefer to be in the company of some classica.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And do you really think having toy guns or not has any influence on that?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, that. It's important.
 
8:15 PM
Surely you talk to them about this?
 
@Cerberus It is part of the message.
 
It's why I wish I had been more careful with the littlest.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Don't you think you're confusing symbols and play with the real thing? Like Whorfianism?
 
@Cerberus But it's not just a matter of lecturing them one time. It is about setting up a culture.
 
@Cerberus All sizes and shapes? Probably did permanent damage.
 
8:16 PM
Having toy guns means play involving toy guns, which means imaginative play involving using violence.
 
@tchrist Only to the house.
 
found Cerb’s toy gun
 
my dad banned toy swords, but only so we couldn't hit him with them
 
That's punishment enough.
 
Get nerf.
 
8:16 PM
@tchrist lol
 
@MattЭллен I taught my boys some blade basics.
 
@Cerberus I am not confusing play with the real thing. Children can actually be violent, you know. And I can't monitor them all the time: they do play "shoot the bad guy", etc. The point is that not allowing toy guns is a message from me to them, about my values.
 
well, that was a loooong time ago. I don't think nerf was around then.
 
If you take their swords, they will pick up sticks.
 
@KitFox I read a study once that said that it's good for children to play with taboo things and situation, to fully explore those concepts, and that it results in their being more able to judge these issues.
 
8:17 PM
@tchrist what the heck is that
 
@tchrist Then you play baseball.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The Punisher.
What did you think?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But you already tell them not to be violent.
 
@Cerberus Yeah, you can do whatever you want with your own kids.
 
@Cerberus you have to tell kids stuff over and over before they hear it. You need to match your actions to your words. etc.
 
Playing with a toy gun is not the same as using a real gun, nor is it the same as being encouraged to actually use violence.
 
8:19 PM
You can't just say "don't be violent". They are 3 and 5 years old. They need constant guidance.
 
@Cerberus You don't understand.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Did I tell you about the things we did with Playmobil?
I suppose it depends on the age of the child what is appropriate.
 
@Cerberus No. But what does that have to do with my kids?
@Cerberus yes. indeed it does.
And certain kinds of violent play might be appropriate while others are not.
 
Well, we broke every taboo their was in our play, and it only taught us what they're like and how to deal with them.
 
The eldest never saw superheroes until he was three or maybe older.
The youngest grew up with them
 
8:20 PM
@Cerberus Every taboo? Really? Name seven.
 
Like, shooting monsters in Doom is one kind of violent. Beating up children in Bully is a different kind. Guess which kind will be allowed here (when they are older) and which will be banned?
 
I wish, really wish, I had been stricter about keeping that away from him until he was older.
The difference in their behaviors is striking.
 
Cute choice of words.
 
Well, literally and figuratively.
 
@tchrist Child labour. Slavery. Torture. Snobbery. Theft. Inequality. Racism.
 
8:21 PM
And look where it got you, eh?
 
@KitFox it could be their nature.
 
now you're a three headed dog guarding souls
 
How do you break the taboo against child labor? Unplanned pregnancy?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Maybe, but the littlest is notably more violent and less focused.
 
Interestingly, we never ever did things or played stories that had to do with sex. Sex was absolutely taboo with Playmobil.
 
8:22 PM
is that what your parents dreamt for you?
 
@KitFox mine is too.
 
I think it's my fault.
 
@KitFox too much alcohol in his blood-surrogate before he was decanted?
 
I think that's the same for second children. my brother was much the same
 
@tchrist We made leaflets recommending fun child camps, and on the flip side we described the real camps, which were child labour camps. We were 10 or so.
 
8:23 PM
Anyway, I have to go pick them up. We're hatching our Vampire fish tonight!
 
Did any of you play stories or situations that had anything to do with sexuality?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I should have spent more time with him in his earlier years.
Now he's all set in stone.
 
@Cerberus No.
 
Maybe that's normal?
 
8:24 PM
@KitFox yeah. Us too. second child syndrome. What can you do? your resources are strained.
 
@tchrist Did you play stories that violated other taboos?
 
It's not fair.
 
@Cerberus I would have to be aware of them, and I don’t think I Was.
 
I think he won't love me as much when he's grown.
 
In the small fishing village where I grew up, we had no idea what a taboo even was.
 
8:25 PM
@KitFox awww bless. yes he will
 
@tchrist Surely you know it was inappropriate to, say, sell drugs or torture slaves?
 
Didn’t know about drugs.
 
Steal things? Be an extreme snob?
 
@MattЭллен I guess as long as he's happy and well-adjusted, it doesn't matter.
 
Being an extreme snob was not a taboo.
Obviously.
 
8:26 PM
Later!
 
@KitFox sure he will.
 
I mean taboo in the sociological sense: something that you know is bad behaviour.
 
@Cerberus you're just trolling him with that one, aren't you
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ? No?
 
@KitFox CU
 
8:27 PM
@Cerberus lol
I have to get going, cya later
 
I'm talking about extreme snobbery.
Bye.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 bye
 
As in, my Playmobil character really liked cooking, but she was ashamed to admit it, so she dressed up as a servant while cooking, so nobody would know.
 
We just talked about burning the neighbors’ garbage bins.
 
My brother's character liked weaving.
 
8:28 PM
Not sure anybody ever really did it.
 
It's funny how the debate went. I was surprised to see Mr Shiny take the position he took. I was less surprised to see Kit take hers, but it's not typical, either.
 
I missed most of the debate.
 
@Cerberus You played a girl? Really? We never played girls.
 
I also had a wizard.
 
That’s different.
 
8:29 PM
Merlin.
His daughter, Yelline, was the extreme snob.
But everyone did all the other bad things.
 
I don’t think guys ever considered playing girls. You might get cooties.
 
Hah.
We all played boys and girls.
 
Yunguns.
 
And we still refer to our girl characters with fond memories.
My brother was Féa.
 
Anyway. I will say just this. LEGO is one of very few, if not the only, company, that actually makes it laughably easy to teach your kid whatever you want. Don't like the killer ninja robot? Part it out to build a fluffy bunny. Don't like fluffy bunnies? Use the bricks to build a fully functional handgun.
 
8:31 PM
I’m kinda surprised @Kit recognized the Punisher.
 
Don't like the beauty salon? Buy the oil rig. And swap the male heads with female ones if you want to. Don't care for the stupid car in pink? Build it in 20+ other colors, or buy any of the 100+ other car sets readily available at any given moment.
 
My friend's brother was Mathilda. He's still in my contact list as Mathilda.
 
@Cerberus Yes, but in his contact list you’re probably Louise.
 
@RegDwighт Yeah, that;s pretty cool.
 
It's not LEGO's job to teach my kids whatever values I deem necessary. It's mine.
 
8:31 PM
@tchrist Yelline, rather.
 
Why are all the LEGO characters grim now?
 
My brother and I played both girls and boys with Lego, but usually knights.
 
Just like every time some teenager screws up, the parents are so quick to blame the teachers or the media or his friends or whatever.
 
Lego is more about building than stories anyway.
@RegDwighт Agreed.
 
8:34 PM
Yeah, we've heard the news.
 
@tchrist pardon me?
 
@RegDwighт The citation given just below.
 
I know.
 
Those aren’t Barbies, are they?
 
I've seen that on Reddit, and Rob posted it last week, too.
 
8:36 PM
 
@RegDwighт OMG That's horrible.
 
My point is, people bitch about Friends being girly and people bitch about minifigs being ferocious, and often these are the exact same people.
 
@tchrist Haha wtf.
 
@Cerberus yeah I just built my very first one, Olivia, twelve minutes ago.
 
"Build."
 
8:37 PM
Well it does consist of four parts.
 
9:08 PM
Oh, so we're sharing beautiful pictures...
I have one...
 
Unpretty.
And gosh, don’t they look unhappy!
 
That's the beauty of it.
This picture is beautiful in so many ways.
You can't stage this shit.
 
Cross faces, crossed fingers.
@Reg Did you vote?
 
Where? When?
 
For that guy up there.
 
9:12 PM
You serious?
 
No, it’s a setup.
 
Ah. Hold on.
Yes! I voted for Putin!
 
Yeah, and I voted for Obama. And look what good it got us.
 
@RegDwighт Lovely.
They both deserve to be sacked.
 
I don’t think either of our nations does that.
 
9:14 PM
@tchrist it did get us one beautiful picture. Seldom have two votes achieved more.
 
And prosecuted for corruption.
 
You mean for being politicians? How can you separate that out?
 
@Cerberus Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.
Joseph-Marie, comte de Maistre ( 1 April 1753 – 26 February 1821) was a Savoyard philosopher, writer, lawyer, and diplomat. He defended hierarchical societies and a monarchical State in the period immediately following the French Revolution. De Maistre was a subject of the King of Piedmont-Sardinia, whom he served as member of the Savoy Senate (1787–1792), ambassador to Russia (1803–1817), and minister of state to the court in Turin (1817–1821). Maistre, a key figure of the Counter-Enlightenment, saw monarchy both as a divinely sanctioned institution and as the only stable form of gover...
 
Sackcloth (Hebrew שַׂק saḳ) is a term originally denoting a coarsely woven fabric, usually made of goat's hair. It later came to mean also a garment made from such cloth, which was chiefly worn as a token of mourning by the Israelites. It was furthermore a sign of submission (I Kings xx. 30 et seq.), and was occasionally worn by the Prophets. The Jewish Encyclopedia says the Old Testament gives no exact description of the garment, so its shape must be a matter of conjecture. According to Adolf Kamphausen, the saḳ was like a corn-bag with an opening for the head, and another for each a...
Look, Obama’s been sacked!
 
@RegDwighт Oui, je connais cette expression.
@tchrist Not all politicians accept money and industry jobs.
 
9:16 PM
Yeah, there are more politicians than good-paying jobs.
 
Not all politicians accept money? I thought Nederland only had soft drugs.
 
@tchrist a wise man once told me to never trust a people who put a mention of God on their money.
 
“In God we trust: all others pay cash.”
 
mene
mene
shekel
upharsin
The Romans put the divine Caesars on their money.
Why does Tristan always make me sad?
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A: Difference between "artifact" and "artefact"

Tristan However, the couple of online sources I checked suggested that the difference was merely spelling, and that both were usable for both definitions. That is the case. The artifact spelling (which shows up with a red line under it, on this computer) is American while the artefact spelling i...

I bet he’d do better if he changed his name from Tristan to Felix.
At least he’d be happier.
 
9:22 PM
@tchrist We have the revolving doors problem (thought it's somewhat less bad), but politicians don't get money from lobbyists here.
 
Whom do they get money from then?
 
Oh my. He looks so old in those proof pictures.
 
@tchrist The government.
And parties can get (very) modest donations.
But individuals aren't allowed at accept money, I believe.
 
@RegDwighт Sweet!
> TheBryanCranston: Did your brother finally start watching the show or does he still have a vagina?
 
@Robusto You can rent those, you know.
 
9:31 PM
> If you could do a whole new season for either Breaking Bad (a season 6) or Malcolm in the Middle (a season 8), which would you chose, and why?
 
@tchrist Better to have the use of one than to have one, is how I like to put it.
@RegDwighт Ah, Reddit.
 
Some funny shit on there, though.
Better than I expected.
And OMG I get the references.
 
Dutch political parties get 50 % of their money from (fixed) contributions from party members.
They also get substantial sums from the (government-paid) salaries of MPs.
 
Perhaps if one’s country were the size of New York City, that might work out.
 
The larger the country, the more members you will have.
 
9:35 PM
@tchrist Yeah. And didn't have a Bible Belt.
 
@Robusto It’s good to have a Bible Belt: shows exactly where to cut.
 
One party got € 15,000 through fundraising. The rest get less or nothing that way.
Parties also get money from donations, but the total is not very large. Any donation over € 4500 must be made public.
The government also subsidised parties, but most of that is indirectly, by giving them free advertising time on television and by financing youth organisations or party research institutes.
Election campaigns are or used to among the cheapest in the world.
But since 1998, parties are allowed to buy advertising time on national television, and campaigns have become more expensive since then.
Total government subsidies for all parties combined are about 16 million yearly.
Still less than the monarchy.
 
Wow, those researchers are so smart.
What will they research next? That people can use legs to walk?
 
At least their precisions a few mm.
(In a room with a very simple shape; but still.)
 
@RegDwighт Batty.
 
9:54 PM
I'm off for today. Good night!
 
10:32 PM
@Cerberus Right. That's pretty amazing.
@Cerberus Simple as in convex. Which is fairly simple, yes.
 
@MετάEd Also simple as in a smooth surface with no corners, probably.
 
They mapped "a university lecture room and a cathedral alcove".
Odds are they contended with corners.
 
Contended?
> The problem is that the company doesn't get into many specifics over how they achieve any of this, leaving it to internet forums like StackExchange and their users to try and figure it out.
> Of course, this previously little-heard-of forum and the questions it posed have now been splashed all over Reddit, Slashdot, Hacker News, and now here. All over a meritless DMCA notice for a forum half a year old.
Odd.
@Shog9 Why did Stack Exchange comply with this DMCA request?
You removed that content.
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CodesInChaosI could not find any evidence pointing towards homomorphic encryption. What I could find were different combinations of deterministic and format preserving encryption. There is probably also a variant that preserves order, but I couldn't find any material depicting it. This post is based on mate...

> The EFF has already weighed in, stating that it's clear that use of the marketing material fell under Fair Use and that the defamation claim is laughably without merit. — techdirt.com/articles/20130424/10205222823/…
Techdirt (above) explains how the request is without merit.
 
10:51 PM
@tchrist really? After all the talk about Marvel superheroes and how DC is barely even allowed in my house?
 
11:03 PM
Hey, has anybody looked at our badges page lately?
 
11:28 PM
I just looked. Is there something different? Did it get new glasses?
 
@tchrist I haven't.
I don't remember it being this well organized.
 
Neither have I.
 

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