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10:00 AM
Hi folks
 
Hi
 
@awllower Offhand, I can't think of a situation when it would be correct to end a sentence with the words "... for otherwise"
but "... for otherwise ..." in mid-sentence could be possible.
 
Oh, it is not an end, but I forgot what follows.
Ok, thanks. Because I am pretty sure that Weil wrote something like this(I even took a picture), but had not enough time to find the assistant and tell him this. Even though he probably woud reject it as well...
 
Just a thought: was Weil writing in English, or was it translated by soemone else from a different labguage?
 
@OldJohn GLORY GLORY MANUNITED
 
10:06 AM
@BenjaLim yep - should be an unassailable lead, but nobody near here is saying anything - in case the same as last season happens :)
 
@OldJohn I'm worried about real madrid
Their squad looks a lot more talented than manutd
 
The book is "The foundations of algebraic geometry". I suppose this is English originally?
 
Yeah - they couold be tough
 
vakil's book? or some other one?
 
@Riem What do you refer to?
 
10:07 AM
oh from a quick wiki you probably mean weil's
 
Yes, I mean the book by Weil. Sorry for the misunderstanding caused.
 
which is used pretty often in AG courses
 
@OldJohn Hmmm not sure how much I will have
 
What does one call "algebra" in Anglish (words with pure English originations).
 
Nice. Thanks.
 
10:09 AM
@OldJohn Maybe it was a bad idea to apply to be the tutor for algebra2....
 
@BenjaLim I have found that teaching people something is a perfect way to see if I really understand it fully myself :)
I think it could be an excellent thing for you to do
 
@OldJohn I agree completely. I often find myself fumbling to explain a certain concept I thought I understood :D
@OldJohn The thing is I have this AG this happening. Plus classes in measure theory and DG
 
Ι ψ·ννοτ ·γεε όρε
 
@OldJohn I will come to you for measure theory!
 
Wrong type mode...
I cannot agree more.
 
10:11 AM
@OldJohn Maybe I was not as pro as when I took the class in computing Galois groups
but I certainly have more experience now.
 
@BenjaLim you are going to be busy"
 
What does DG stand for? Dihedral groups?
 
@OldJohn Probably.
@awllower Differential geometry.
 
Oh, thanks.
 
@BenjaLim I can still remember some (but not all) the measure theory I used to know :)
 
10:12 AM
So you are going to have a course on DG?
Is it going to end with Gauss-Bonnet? Or somewhere else?
 
@OldJohn I THOUGHT YOU WERE AN ANALYSIS GOD???????????????? :D :D :D :D
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@awllower Hahahaha I don't even know apparently it's very hectic and ends with Riemannian geometry
 
@BenjaLim Good grief NO - whatever gave anyone that impression????
 
Very interesting then.
 
@OldJohn I thought you mainly concentrated on analysis :D
 
@BenjaLim yeah - dabbled is about right :)
 
10:14 AM
@OldJohn The word "dabbled" has negative connotations.
 
@BenjaLim narh - I have dabbled in lots of things throughout my life - never really mastered anything, but certainly enjoyed my dabbling :)
 
@OldJohn I remember reading the first few pages of Stein and Shakarchi. I was not impressed with the results of measure theory
 
@BenjaLim I found measure theory to be a useful tool for getting to other results, rather than a subject I wanted to study for its own sake
Hmm - this guy seems to be asking question which get no votes, no answers, no comments - he could be a "tumbleweed expert"
 
Hmm. It reminds me of one saying of Grothdieck:
I have been reading Chevalley's new book on class-field theory; I am not really doing research, just trying to cultivate myself. 1956
 
Must go - time for the gym - later folks
 
10:26 AM
L8er
 
10:47 AM
@OldJohn have a good workout.
 
11:33 AM
to have dinner now, later everyone.
 
11:53 AM
quite a lot of maintenance these days
 
Hi all
Long time I didn't enter here. :)
 
Hi @Chris'ssister
 
@Theorem: hi
 
Chris and chris's sister , are u both the same @Chris'ssister
i used to know someone called Chris
 
Actually, there are 3 persons under this username (I (sister) + Chris + Chris's friend)
 
12:07 PM
oh
quite complicated :P
 
Yeah, as the life is. :D
 
well said
 
@Theorem: I just updated the username.
 
oh great :D
 
@Theorem: @Chris's sister and pals
:D
 
12:14 PM
so u and many of ur friends use the same account
 
@Theorem:well, just sometimes.
 
are u an undergrad student ?
and where ?
@Chris'ssister
 
user19161
3 more days to Valentine's Day.
 
@JacobBlack : mathematicians do not celebrate V - Day
 
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@Theorem Haha, really? Then they are not true mathematicians.
 
12:20 PM
@JacobBlack : i don't know . we need to ask some great mathematicians
 
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@Theorem Such as Theorem.
 
@Theorem: I'm in the penultimate year in high school and my borther is a prospective accountant.
 
@JacobBlack : ya i think i won't .
 
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@Chris'ssister Are you going to study math in uni?
 
@Chris'ssister : good . i like ur questions .
 
user19161
12:22 PM
By the way, can one reverse engineer the email from the default gravatar?
 
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Not that I am stalking anyone.
 
@Chris'ssister: I don't know. I and my bro have never liked the school. :-) We prefer a different way to learn things.
 
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@Theorem You should watch the movie Valentine's Day.
 
@JacobBlack Doesn't seem like it.
 
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@JonasTeuwen Bro, you need to use the right arrow so people know what you are replying to.
 
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12:25 PM
@Chris'ssister Yeah, classes were mostly a waste of time for me. I learn everything I know by myself.
 
user19161
@Chris'ssister Did you just ping yourself?
 
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The number of this room is 36, a perfect square, very good.
 
@JacobBlack: no. Just a mistyping.
 
@JacobBlack : no time for love movies .
 
@JacobBlack Jonas doesn't use arrows.
 
12:31 PM
individual.utoronto.ca/sck/vday.html people have a look at this
 
Let the real number sequences $(x_{n})_{n\ge1}$, $(y_{n})_{n\ge1}$ that both converge to $0$. Compute $\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{x_n^2y_n}{3x_n^2-2x_ny_n+y_n^2}$
What would you do here? (it's from a local math contest)
 
@Chris'ssister : let $y_n/ x_n =z$
or something appropriate
 
@Theorem: yeah. This should work.
 
@Chris'ssister, do yo know complexanalysis (not related to your question)
 
@user58512: my bro only.
 
12:53 PM
I don't know complex analysis properly :(
 
@user58512 : have u done a course on comp analysis ?
 
yes
 
how many ?
 
one
 
when are u doing next ??
 
12:55 PM
?
 
i will be doing comp analysis 2 , but haven't done comp analysis 1 .
i am quite worried if i can catch up without doing comp ana 1 .
 
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@Theorem Why are you doing 2 without 1?
 
because i don't have time to take 1 .
 
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Then why do you have time to take 2?
 
@JacobBlack : if i do comp ana 2 then i think i will know what 1 has to give me .
:D
 
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1:06 PM
@Theorem Wrong.
 
@JacobBlack : why do u think so ?
 
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Then you might as well not take anything and just read on your own.
 
but i do need credit also @JacobBlack :(
u know what i mean @JacobBlack
 
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@Theorem The college allows you to take 2 without 1? That is very weird.
 
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1:08 PM
What is the world coming to?
 
@JacobBlack : german system is like that .
 
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@Theorem You transferred there?
 
@JacobBlack : in german system u can do whatever u want , but u need to have certain number of credits .
what do u mean ? @theorem ?
oops @JacobBlack
 
user19161
I thought you switch uni halfway.
 
no not really
 
user19161
1:10 PM
OK. Well, still strange system to me.
 
user19161
Then again, the Cambridge system is strange too.
 
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Some courses have 24 lectures, some 12, some 16.
 
user19161
Exams mix up all topics and are on paper 1, 2,3.
 
u are in cambridge ?
@JacobBlack
 
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I am not, I just happen to know.
 
1:12 PM
then where ? @JacobBlack
 
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@Theorem Well, I finished undergrad long ago. I am not in school now.
 
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That is a secret.
 
oh , @JacobBlack sorry . thats good . :)
are u doing phd ?
 
user19161
@Theorem Oh, I am not in any school now, if that is what you mean. No, not doing any course now.
 
what plans then
@JacobBlack
 
user19161
1:18 PM
@Theorem I may apply to grad school in future, I don't know.
 
ok see ya
bye
get to start slogging
 
I guess I shouldn't do math becauseim not really smart
 
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@user58512 Well, no need to be a genius, as long as you have some ability, you can try to do it.
 
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1:39 PM
@user58512 You just need some talent and lots of hard work.
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i just feel bad because i feel like I am failing
 
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You have to decide for yourself if you want to carry on.
 
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You can listen to others' opinions, but at the end, make your own decision.
 
I have to try my best to the end because I already wasted so much of my parents money to come here
 
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OK, hang in there. There can be miracles when you believe.
 
2:02 PM
if I pretend I have a chance to pass I can stay working
 
@JacobBlack None here. I have a feeling that something bad is about to happen to me.
 
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@Novice Like what? Are you sick?
 
@JacobBlack Yes, I am sick in its colloquial sense, but in the literal sense I'm okay.
 
I am always sick compard with such masters A.Weil: He must say: what? You must be sick so that you cannot understand CFT well. What? You must be severely sick that you cannot even understand my "basic number theory"...
such masters as A.Weil
 
"basic number theory" lol
 
2:11 PM
Haha
 
why did he call it that?
 
Because he referred to it as very easy indeed...
 
another good one is Serre "A course in arithmetic"
sounds easy..
 
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Yeah 1+1=2.
 
Hmm, he once said, in a preface to his Russian edition of BNT: the role of CFT is as essential as Galois theory
And indeed every mathematician ought to know the two very well...
He said, not me...
 
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2:14 PM
CFT is just FTC permuted, hahaha.
 
@awllower, I study zeta functions and it is very difficult - I think I have to drop my class :(
 
@skullpatrol @Charlie listen to this
 
What is FTC? Federal Trade Commision?
 
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@awllower Try again.
 
first Technology Challenge??
 
2:15 PM
@JacobBlack What do you think about the Mustafa store?
 
Oh, it must be Fundamental Theorem of Calsulus.
 
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Yes.
 
Thanks.
 
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@Novice Well, almost nobody goes there except Indians. I go there though.
 
@user58512 What have you learned about zêta-functions now?
 
2:17 PM
@JacobBlack Yes, I have seen that the store is overcrowded with Indians. But the store is nice.
 
@awllower, counting zeros, zero free region and seigel zeros and the formula psi in terms of zeros
 
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@Novice I actually get a little scared when I go there, because I am the only Chinese walking around.
 
I think that, except for genius, one must think of mathematics as very hard, otherwise it could not be so interesting. But, there are very many mathematicians aside from genius of course.
 
and how much do I understand: zero. Just kidding
 
Haha
 
2:18 PM
@JacobBlack Where do the Chinese usually go?
 
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@Novice Everywhere.
 
@JacobBlack OK. Have you been to the Sky Park?
 
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@Novice Which one? I am not sure how many there are...
 
Hmm, it looks like that I know even less than zero.
 
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@user58512 Have you studied Rieman Mapping Theorem?
 
2:20 PM
My knowledge is negative.(crying)
 
@JacobBlack Well, the one on the top of Marina Bay Sands.
 
@awllower, did you not study such things? like prime number theorem - I assume you knew these even though it's not algebraic
 
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@Novice Ah, you mean at the top of the hotel itself?
 
@JacobBlack, I think so when I studied fractals I learned this
 
Yes I knew them--my high school library has nothing else in the field of number-theory.
 
2:21 PM
@JacobBlack Yes.
The ship.
 
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@Novice Yes, nothing special.
 
I was once determined to do analytic number theory, at least when I went into the college.
 
@JacobBlack Mhm, the meal was a little out of my reach.
 
But, one day, when I was readong some books on the subject, I thought to myself: where is the number-theory at all?
 
hehe
I know what you mean
 
2:22 PM
And I saw none, so I turned instead to algebraic number theory thus...
I saw nothing but functions, zeroes, and some similar stuff.
Oh, I have to mention that the knowledge of some analytic number theory does meke me more familiar with the proof of Eisenstein of quadratic reciprocity law.
What a shame I did not know Eisenstein...
 
Eisenstein is amazing
 
Indeed: I still wonder how one accomplishes so many calculations at all.
 
where did you read his proof?
oh, you know french
 
Let me recall
 
I need english
so nevermind
 
2:26 PM
This book contains many proofs, and is in English
 
oh! thanks
 
By the way, where can I find French articles of Eisenstein?
It would be most apprepriated if I can get my hands on it.
appreciated
 
Thanks very much!!
BTW, I have a slight question: How can one put some pictures on the internet, and give it an ID?
 
i dont know what you mean
a URL?
 
2:33 PM
yes
 
you can use imgur.com
 
Hmm, let me try.
 
you don't need an account
just find "Upload images"
 
Is this working?
http://imgur.com/KYP3xOe
 
yes
 
2:36 PM
Oh this is better
http://i.imgur.com/KYP3xOe.png?1
 
Thanks.^^
A little busy now: If one wants to call me, please mark, to remind me of it. Thanks.
 
bye
 
@skull there?
 
2:55 PM
@Novice interesting
 
3:22 PM
@michael how are you?
 
@Charlie good, and you?
 
@MichaelCorleone good too
 
good :)
 
:)
 
3:50 PM
Hello, help me please, is it possible to represent integral $$ \int\limits_{ \frac{x_1^2}{a^2}+\frac{x_2^2}{b^2}=1} e^{i \xi x} dS(x) $$ via some well-known functions?
 
4:19 PM
@Nimza Post on main, Leshe4ka, maybe you get some answers...
 
@Charlie hehe, thank you Ma, I've found a way via coarea formula :)
 
@Nimza Great!
 
4:54 PM
good day anon
 
5:10 PM
I think someone is trying to insult me by calling me an "EKSI", but what on earth is that? Google is no help; Urban Dictionary suggests it is a Tamil expletive...
 
@HenningMakholm weird...
 
Yo
 
hey, John!
 
@HenningMakholm Pretty feeble way to insult someone - use a term that nobody understands!
I reckon I could insult people more effectively :)
Hi @Charlie
 
@OldJohn How are you?
 
5:17 PM
Fine thanks - tired of the weather, and looking forward to next holiday :)
How are things with you?
 
@OldJohn Good, the day is sunny, it's holiday here, I'm making a Kawasaki rose :)
 
@OldJohn There's the benefit that it's hard for me to defend myself by arguing that I'm not one.
 
@Charlie origami?
 
@OldJohn yes
 
@HenningMakholm Quite true
 
5:19 PM
@HenningMakholm It is a way to express being surprised. Like, "Why the heat, mate? ;-)" Not really an insult, more of an appreciation of your sarcasm.
 
@Charlie I used to be black belt in origami - not done any for many years
 
@OldJohn I love it!!!
 
Ahh, the hallowed corridors of good motor skills.
 
@Charlie A few years ago we had a wedding anniversary with paper being the "theme" - my wife and I both bought each other origami books - totally independently :)
 
@OldJohn Cool!
 
5:25 PM
@Charlie ...
 
@OrangeHarvester what?
 
@Charlie nothing..
 
this is what I enjoyed the most
 
@Charlie cool
 
@OrangeHarvester and it's really nice to do!
 
5:29 PM
@Charlie I once did something like this - but my favourite used to be a parrot that I can't find an image for
 
@OldJohn nice! I need proper paper, otherwise it becomes hard to fold and give the effect or you can rip the paper
 
@OldJohn Do people first draw the folds and then fold it, or do they start from the middle and then move on to details little by little?
 
@Charlie Yep - I bought my wife some special paper too
 
@OldJohn that's awesome!
 
@OrangeHarvester I'm not sure either of those describe the process :)
I certainly never drew any folds first
mostly just followed examples other people had discovered
 
5:33 PM
@OldJohn Hahaha. I must read about it then.... The closest I could come to origami was making paper boats (if that is allowed), even that was not very successful, I would regularly tear everything. Right now, I have settled on making planes and then introducing various tweaks to influence their flight.
 
@OrangeHarvester Start here
 
@OrangeHarvester Yeah - there is a lot of skill in making a paper plane that flies well
 
Did you guys see that Pope resigned?
 
I am ultra bad at math, how do I do $x^2 + 3x - 5x -15(x-2)$
I wrote that wrong
 
@Jordan, what do you want to do to it?
 
5:47 PM
I think is should all have parentheses
find a poly given the roots
 
if roots are a,b,c then k(x-a)(x-b)(x-c) has those roots
 
so for example (x-5)(x+3)(x-2)
I am such an idiot, this is like third grade math
I mean I foil the first set
so is it then $(x^3 + 3x - 5x - 15)(x-2)$?
I know that is a wrong answer
 
what are you trying to do
 
find a poly given the roots
 
what roots
 
5:50 PM
5, -3 and 2
 
ok
 
but I am a fucking idiot and I can't multiply
 
k(x-5)(x--3)(x-2) is one for any nonzero k
you can multiply just do it one step at a time
 
I get $(x^2 - 3x-5x-15)(x-2)$
 
(x-5)(x+3) = x(x+3)-5(x+3) = x^2+3x-5(x+3) = x^2+3x-5x-15 = x^2-2x-15
 
5:52 PM
@Charlie Just read an article about it now. I did not know it was such a big deal. I mean an Italian MP is commenting on it!!! Holy smoke. Italian MP, German Chancellor etc ! Now even David Cameron!
 
(x-5)(x+3)(x-2) = (x^2-2x-15)(x-2) = (x^2-2x-15)x-(x^2-2x-15)2 = x^3-2x^2-15x - 2x^2-4x-30 = x^3 - 4x^2 -19x - 30
 
user19161
Is it the same @jordan I talked to?
 
possibly
 
@OrangeHarvester yes, it is!
 
user19161
Your avatar changed @jordan.
 
5:53 PM
Not sure why
 
@Jordan, see how I did it
 
no
 
what is the first step you don't understand
 
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@user58512 If you are short of time, I also suggest you spend less time on the internet, that will help you focus.
 
you pulled out an x-2?
 
5:54 PM
what does that even mean
 
(x^2-2x-15)x-(x^2-2x-15)2
I don't know where those numbers came from
 
user19161
He is just expanding to show that the factorising holds.
 
do you know that k(x-2) = kx-k2?
 
no
 
or
A(B+C) = AB+AC
how about this
 
5:55 PM
yeah
 
that's what I did
 
but that isnt anywhere in the problem, everything is 2 terms together
 
what
 
things like (x-2)(x+3) instead of A(4-x)
 
(x^2-2x-15)(x-2) = (x^2-2x-15)x-(x^2-2x-15)2
is using A(B-C) = AB-AC
 
5:58 PM
I have trouble seeing that
 
A = x^2-2x-15
B = x, C = 2
 
to me is should look like (x-2)(x^2) - (x-2)(2x) -15(x-2)
 
write out A(B-C) = AB-AC
replacing A,B,C with A = x^2-2x-15, B = x, C = 2
 
I am not seeing why you split the x - 2 like that
or what that is valid
 

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