English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

MετάEd

3:00 PM

@JasonBourne Thank you.

RegDwighт

Wow, an update for IE6 just hit the shelves.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт Thankfully, I no longer need to care about IE6, so I won't be installing it.

RegDwighт

I'm just saying.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well, last year I would have cared.

MετάEd

@RegDwighт Wait. How would you know, unless … ?

We need to drag you into the 21st century.

user19161

3:01 PM

@RegDwighт Use IE10 on Windows 8 already!

RegDwighт

Just when you thought the thing has been deader than all doornails for several years...

@MετάEd this is how.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne Nobody likes Windows 8.

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I like its logo.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne But do you like it's trainwreck of an interface? I posted a screenshot a few minutes ago...

19 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I say this mostly because I can't imagine 99 % of kids would care about shades of grey. It's an adult thing, I should hope.

Bai!

RegDwighт

3:03 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I saw a related image on Reddit the other day, but I can't find it for the life of me.

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I haven't seen the details, but it looks like GNOME 3, so not a big problem for me.

MετάEd

As “kiosk researcher” he sits bloggend full unhealthy enthusiasm apart with magazines.

RegDwighт

Reddit is unsearchable. Even more unsearchable than ELU.

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 lol

MετάEd

Gotta love the Google Translate.

RegDwighт

3:04 PM

1

Q: Does the letter i serve as a consonant in words like onion and view?

Some more words: union, behavior, Daniel. And the second i in opinion, familiar, brilliant, California. I am especially concerned with American English.

Onion? Consonant? Wut?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Kids have opinions. I bet if I built two identical models, in new grey and old grey, my kids would like the new one better.

user19161

I am downloading Fedora 18 now. The image is 1.5 times the size of Fedora 17. Maybe they decided to include the office suite this time.

user19161

If there is no office suite, I would be wondering why it is so huge.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт It's a dupe of my question of "when is Y a vowel". People are not taught that there are more than just consonants and vowels.

@Kosmonaut! Good morning

Kosmonaut

Hi

user19161

3:08 PM

The Kosmonaut is here.

Kosmonaut

Has anyone else tried Duolingo?

RegDwighт

OMG OVER 9000 Lawlers.

0

Q: How to describe the students who don't study hard.

I want to describe a situation here: The students who study hard usually get better grade, but in contrast the students who didn't study hard usually get poor grade. However, I don't want to use "the students who didn't study hard " to depict the other students.(Because lots of vocabularies...

sentence

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I got as far as signing up.

RegDwighт

@Kosmonaut I did! Just three days ago or so.

Saw it on the Grammar subreddit.

Registered and tried out German and French.

Kosmonaut

I am starting to find it very frustrating.

RegDwighт

3:09 PM

I just used the keyhole icon to skip most of the stuff.

No idea how useful it can be for actually learning an unknown language from scratch.

Probably not at all.

MετάEd

@RegDwighт Probably more like 0.9 ll.

Kosmonaut

No, not really.

KitFox

gasps, hides behind refrigerator

Kosmonaut

Translating is not a great way to acquire a language in general, and the random nature of the sentences doesn't help either.

But there is something more annoying about it.

I wanted to refresh my German, and so I was going through and testing out of all the early stages.

RegDwighт

I started with topic 1, lesson 1 on German.

Kosmonaut

3:11 PM

But now I find myself failing sentences at least a third of the time, when my translation is 100% correct.

RegDwighт

It drove everybody in the office crazy because the woman would read everything aloud. And as you say, the sentences are mostly completely random (and the voice is computer-generated).

Kosmonaut

So I keep reporting them but I end up just going through trying to remember the exact translations that are allowed.

RegDwighт

@Kosmonaut I used the "my suggestion should be accepted" link at least once.

But for the most part I just shrugged and moved on.

@Kosmonaut it's even worse if you don't do the lessons in order, but skip a couple and miss the introduction of certain vocabulary.

Though I must say at times I was really surprised at the variety of alternatives accepted.

Kosmonaut

Sometimes I am as well, and in the early lessons I almost never had a problem.

But in the later stages, it is madness.

RegDwighт

Completely unrelated ways of explaining the same thought with barely a word in common.

@Kosmonaut only natural. Most people have done the easy lessons, so they will have plenty of suggestions to work with.

But only two-odd people will have done lesson 5192.

Kosmonaut

3:16 PM

@RegDwighт Yes, that makes sense.

KitFox

> This proposal has reached 100% commitment. We are preparing for its launch and expect to create it soon.

Kosmonaut

But, in any case, it's not working!

RegDwighт

I completely forgot all about it.

Must give it another try.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So the onion question. Is the i a vowel, or a semi-vowel?

RegDwighт

I wanted to try Spanish and Portuguese as well.

KitFox

3:17 PM

'grats, @Reg.

RegDwighт

Though both were marked beta.

Kosmonaut

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's a /j/

RegDwighт

@KitFox thanks.

@Kosmonaut for me the I in onion is an /i/.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kosmonaut That's what I thought, but I found this: /ˈʌn yən/ online

RegDwighт

God that's like a German trying to speak with a French accent.

Kosmonaut

3:18 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's fine... some people use /y/ for /j/ but it's not strictly correct.

RegDwighт

And it looks like Turkish.

Kosmonaut

But /j/ is what was meant.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kosmonaut It was dictionary.com :)

@Kosmonaut so /ˈʌn jən/, then

user19161

Why did someone have to downvote my vice versa answer? Am I supposed to include its 9000 variants? Is four insufficient?

Kosmonaut

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Often dictionaries will choose some sort of variant of IPA (or something completely different), although shame on dictionary.com for actually calling it IPA

If you look up something obvious like "use" you can see they use /y/ consistently.

user19161

3:21 PM

@kosmo How's your kid?

Kosmonaut

@JasonBourne He's, like, awesome.

user19161

@Kosmonaut Wow, you use like like girls do.

Kosmonaut

He's speaking a lot and using signs

RegDwighт

@JasonBourne translation: "he's awesome, if you will".

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kosmonaut Time for a second one, then?

Kosmonaut

3:23 PM

@JasonBourne Only people 40+ would (almost) never use "like" that way.

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Time for my 0th one.

Kosmonaut

Do I need to refer to you my own answer about the use of "like"?

user19161

@Kosmonaut It is my impression that it is very common among young American women. But that is just my intuition.

user19161

@Kosmonaut I think I saw it before.

Kosmonaut

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Maybe not too far off... but not yet!

KitFox

3:25 PM

How old is your little one? About a year?

Kosmonaut

@JasonBourne I would say back in the 70s and maybe early 80s it was something that was more girls only.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kosmonaut Well, fair warning: two is more than twice the work. You have to want it, or else you'll be miserable.

KitFox

Two is less than twice the work!

user19161

It is more and less, so the same.

user19161

Let me explain.

Kosmonaut

3:26 PM

Of course, it has a bit of a stigma attached to it in some people's minds, so they tend to avoid it in writing more — but people say it ALL the time.

KitFox

As Gramma D says, "One already takes all your time, so two can't take any more."

user19161

More because they fight. Less because it is the same set of things you do.

user19161

I sound like a pro don't I? =)

KitFox

Of course, if you have three, then you're outnumbered.

Kosmonaut

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I have no doubts about whether I want to have a second kid, it's just that we are waiting till I have a non-grad-student job (soon)

user19161

3:27 PM

@Kosmonaut So you have more or less retired from this site?

Kosmonaut

@JasonBourne Pretty much.

KitFox

Kids just get more and more fun.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox When you have one, you can get that kid out the door in 45 minutes. By the time you have the second one, you've optimized and that kid is out the door in 10 minutes. But the new kid takes 45 minutes. And by that time the first has taken her shoes off and is running around the house again.

RegDwighт

@JasonBourne what rock have you been living under?

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ah, see. You're doing it wrong then.

;-D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:29 PM

@KitFox As usual :)

user19161

@RegDwighт Well, he could be hiding behind the curtain and downvoting all our answers...

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You have to start with the slow one, you see.

Kosmonaut

My passion for the site was sort of scooped out of my soul. But I like visiting here every so often. And also I look to see how my reputation is doing, for some very primal reason that I can't explain.

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 lesson learned: start optimizing with your last child.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

To be honest, in my case sometimes two is LESS work than one, because my daughter practically babysits her brother.

KitFox

3:30 PM

See? They entertain each other. Like cats.

One is always up in your grill asking questions and needing things.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Yes, yes, don't read too much into my hypothetical example.

Kosmonaut

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I guess it can really depend on the personalities of the two kids.

user19161

@Kosmonaut Well, it's over 30k now. I intend to retire after 30k as well.

KitFox

If there are two, the younger will ignore you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kosmonaut yes, and their age difference.

Kosmonaut

3:30 PM

@JasonBourne Yeah, I think I have enough reputation to retire in Florida now.

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I was teasing.

Kosmonaut

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, we are trying to avoid having too great of an age difference.

KitFox

Good plan.

My eldest doesn't remember being an only child.

And that's how we wanted it.

user19161

@KitFox I remember what they both look like since I saw them 9000 times.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox I know. And I was overgeneralizing. But there are enough cases of "two is more than twice the work" that I think it's a fair warning. Confirmation bias makes it seem like it's always like that even if it's not.

KitFox

3:32 PM

Tru dat. I just tend to think about how well they play together, so I actually can cook dinner now, which was impossible for a long time.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kosmonaut If you ask me, the closer the better, but ymmv.

user19161

The wonders of wget. It allows a partial download to resume...

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My own rule would be plus minus five for two kids.

KitFox

Plus, it is really cute when they tell each other stories and the elder explains things like physics to the younger.

Kosmonaut

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, so if I had already moved on to a job by now, we'd be going for it right now. Instead we'll wait another six months max probably.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:33 PM

@KitFox yeah. that's true. Some days my kids go off together and I don't see them ALL DAY. I hear them though.

Mahnax

Hello folks. Nice to see you around, @Kosmo.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne 5 is a long time. Personally I might not bother if it was going to end up with a 5 year difference. Who knows.

KitFox

He was just saying to the little one yesterday "Mommy thinks that black holes are quantum singularities, but that theory is disputed."

RegDwighт

900 reviews! Home straight for me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kosmonaut haha, I read that as "... we'd be doing it right now" and I was like "Whoa! TMI!"

KitFox

3:35 PM

@RegDwighт Stretch, I think.

RegDwighт

Not in BE.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox haha, really?

KitFox

@RegDwighт OK.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It was pretty close to that.

RegDwighт

I do wonder how long it will take them to lower the requirements for Steward. Probably the day I get my fifth they will lower it from 1000 to 10.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox awesome :)

RegDwighт

3:36 PM

@KitFox idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+home+straight

KitFox

@RegDwighт I was willing to take you at your word.

RegDwighт

But I wasn't.

Live with it.

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The littlest one knows all the planets and dwarf planets and some of the major moons.

Kosmonaut

I think I am just going to give up on Duolingo. I feel like I should be getting paid for the work I am doing adding answers to these questions.

RegDwighт

Also why should I pass on the opportunity to point out that Brits are weirdos.

Matt Эллен

3:37 PM

We're not weirdos. Americans are weirdos

Also Beavers

RegDwighт

And just where do you think Americans come from? Wink wink, nudge nudge?

KitFox

He also says "Kuiper belt objects!" very enthusiastically. It's adorable.

user19161

@MattЭллен You are going to get flagged now.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox wow, my littlest doesn't even know the seven dwarfs. Or 13 dwarves. But he knows all the Thomas tank engines.

Kosmonaut

@RegDwighт Well, when one American loves another American very much...

KitFox

3:37 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's pretty critical.

RegDwighт

@Kosmonaut they invade Iraq?

KitFox

Little ones memorize like crazy. It's a good time to teach things that need memorization.

Kosmonaut

@RegDwighт I've never heard that euphemism...

KitFox

Like the table of elements.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox I kinda wish people (mostly other people, not us) hadn't introduced him to Thomas the Tank Engine. Those damned toys are like $15-$25 for a single engine made of wood and plastic.

KitFox

3:39 PM

Wow. We have a ton of inherited ones.

I had no idea they were so expensive.

RegDwighт

@KitFox you mean 2204.62 pounds?

user19161

@KitFox I remember the first few by joining their abbreviations to form a word.

KitFox

@RegDwighт No, I mean 2,500 pounds.

MετάEd

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We can thank the public relations industry.

user19161

libebcnofne namgalsipsclar

Matt Эллен

3:40 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 me and my brother loved Thomas the Tank Engine when we were little, but we didn't have the toys. just buy all the books!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox The track is easy to come by, because it's part of a standard of interlocking parts and you can buy any brand if you want. But the engines/cars are all different, and some of them even connect differently. So I had wanted to keep to the cheap trains but people keep buying him Thomas trains. Well, it's their money they're spending, but geez.

RegDwighт

@KitFox that must be in Fahrenheit.

KitFox

The little one got this cool book for Christmas:

amazon.com/13-Planets-Latest-National-Geographic/dp/1426307705

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен Yeah, we have books too. He loves the books. And the divvy-dees that he watches on the tivvy. (as he puts it).

KitFox

It has gorgeous pictures.

user19161

3:41 PM

@KitFox What? 13? Time to relearn for me!

KitFox

@JasonBourne 8 planets plus 5 dwarf planets.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox cool

user19161

@KitFox As gorgeous as you. =)

KitFox

And now I finally know how to pronounce Haumea.

Dumb Cow

@KitFox 13 is a cool number. 8-)

user19161

3:42 PM

13 is a prime, and also the first number that ends with -een, fascinating.

KitFox

I also like that the planets are proportioned better in the picture.

Dumb Cow

@JasonBourne It is also my age. :-D

user19161

@DumbCow This is a sign...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I should buy the kids some science books.

KitFox

Often the four gas giants are pictured as approximately the same size, which is not anywhere near true.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I put some really good apps on the iPad, and that has sparked their interest.

Star charts, and Exoplanet and the Soho feed.

There's Solar Walk, which I highly recommend for everyone.

And there are a couple of interesting atomic/element/molecule apps.

We checked out a bunch of library books over the course of several weeks, but they were really outdated and it was difficult to explain how the information was not accurate.

The eldest was really interested in the formation of the moon. We watched this clip on YouTube probably a dozen times.

user19161

3:47 PM

I wasted too much money on books I don't really read. It's good to borrow from the library.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox don't forget to teach them about astrology!

user19161

@MattЭллен Or numerology.

Matt Эллен

or phrenology

user19161

I should aim for 27k by Jan, 28k by Feb, 29k by Mar and 30k by Apr. Then I can go for my reservist training in May.

KitFox

I need to find a way to explain physics to the eldest. He's really interested in how certain discoveries are made.

Mahnax

3:50 PM

@JasonBourne Oh, are you going to do that sort of training?

Matt Эллен

@JasonBourne is it compulsory?

user19161

@Mahnax Well, I won't be doing much though.

user19161

@MattЭллен Yes. I will be overseas for three weeks. I haven't called to ask where yet...

Matt Эллен

somewhere nice?

or you really don't have any clue?

user19161

Usually it's Taiwan.

Matt Эллен

3:51 PM

I have friends in Taiwan

KitFox

looks surprised

user19161

I should go for the Taiwanese girls there then, LOL.

KitFox

You have friends?

Damn. Tweened.

user19161

Does Matt like Taiwanese girls?

KitFox

I don't know.

Matt Эллен

3:52 PM

I don't know that many

user19161

I heard they are very sexy.

KitFox

The ones I know are all crazy.

Short tempers.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox Yes, do you understand how platonic relationships work?

KitFox

Fiesty, some might say.

@MattЭллен No. That was my next question. What's it like?

Matt Эллен

@KitFox Well, they all live far away from me, so it's fine :D

it's like having family, really

KitFox

3:54 PM

Oh. I like my family.

Most of them.

Matt Эллен

I should tell the tester the software's ready to test...

KitFox

Do you have a cute tester?

user19161

@MattЭллен My hands live near me, LOL.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox I was about to refute your statement but then I realized that I don't know any Taiwanese girls. Only HK, PRC, or CBC girls.

oh, and one ABC.

Shog9

How do you test "cute"?

Matt Эллен

3:55 PM

@KitFox no.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Shog9 post a picture in this chat room, and people will comment.

Mahnax

@Shog9 Direct comparison to a kitten playing with a breadstick.

KitFox

@Shog9 Well, you start with some orange slices.

Oh.

I guess I've been doing it wrong.

Matt Эллен

> As you are aware, you are currently a non member of the Private Medical Insurance provided by [the people I work for].

a non-member?

Shog9

Now I'm hungry for breadsticks.

KitFox

3:56 PM

Oh. It's lunchtime. bbl.

Matt Эллен

that's like a type of member?

I'd rather just not be a member

KitFox

@MattЭллен I think they are insulting your manhood.

Matt Эллен

WHAT?

I will have to hunt them down

Mahnax

@Shog9 Good. Little Caesars is always open.

user19161

And then from Jun to Dec, I will work on my math account. There, I have the entire year planned for SE.

user19161

4:00 PM

Brasero is very bad at burning my ISO images. I should use another burner.

user19161

Ladies and gentlemen, ELL now has 200 committers.

user19161

200

English Language Learners

Proposed Q&A site for people learning English, whose questions are too basic for the English Language and Usage site.

Currently in commitment.

user19161

Prepare for Betal!

Dumb Cow

@JasonBourne Yay!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Is there going to be a migration path from ELU to ELL?

Matt Эллен

4:13 PM

straight down

Mahnax

Haha.

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Probably not.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox hm. wouldn't that be a useful thing?

Also migrating the other way

Matt Эллен

it won't be setup until later in the beta

KitFox

No. The community is not reliable.

Matt Эллен

4:16 PM

maybe not even until launch

KitFox

We'd end up with ELUers sending all the shit questions to ELL, which is something we want to avoid.

Matt Эллен

we might or it might work

user19161

Guys there is no disc burner on centos other than brasero, and brasero doesn't burn my fedora ISO.

user19161

I am screwed, LOL.

Matt Эллен

does dd burn discs?

or you could use a usb stick and create a bootable usb stick

KitFox

4:19 PM

Wow! My post was used as a "related articles" post!

Matt Эллен

@JasonBourne ccp14.ac.uk/ccp14admin/linux-server/iso_images_to_dvdram

user19161

@KitFox Amazing! All because they knew you are Sportsman.

RegDwighт

@KitFox related as in related or as in "here's another question that also has the word what in the title"?

KitFox

@RegDwighт Erotica.

But it has never happened to me before.

RegDwighт

17

Q: What is a good way to refer to stories that are meant for adults?

There are stories for children and for adults. But when I say "adult stories" people tend to think they are erotica/porn stories. What is a good way to refer to adult stories? Example of adult stories: Lovecraft's, Poe's, Kafka's, etc.

word-choice

KitFox

4:22 PM

So I was excited.

0

Q: what is the difference between "to be verb+ing" and "to verb"

What is the difference between this two sentences. You're too old to be playing with toys. You're too old to play with toys.

meaning grammar differences

Get it @Reg!

RegDwighт

Get what? Shorty?

KitFox

My hands are full of sandwich.

Dupe! Dupe!

RegDwighт

My hands are full of LEGO helicopter.

I am typing with my ear.

2

Matt Эллен

I found the dupe

I have voted to close

KitFox

Go Matt!

Matt Эллен

4:26 PM

now let the community decide!

user19161

@RegDwighт See, this kind of shit gets a star.

user19161

Now you know why I don't get stars.

KitFox

@MattЭллен Uh, no.

RegDwighт

@JasonBourne sorry, only your starred stuff is shit. My starred shit is stuff.

Matt Эллен

oh

mods are part of the community too!

I still win

KitFox

4:27 PM

I can click, I just couldn't search.

effectively

user19161

@MattЭллен I will download k3b instead, LOL.

KitFox

Now I am thirsty. But damn that sandwich was delicious.

Mahnax

@KitFox I shall (e-)mail you a glass of water.

user19161

@Mahnax You can email me one too.

Mahnax

@JasonBourne I'm sorry, it was my last. I'll have to fetch more next time I'm out.

Matt Эллен

4:31 PM

in Taiwan everyone uses water purifiers. So don't drink the tap water

user19161

@MattЭллен Here, tap water is drinkable.

Matt Эллен

@JasonBourne good, good.

Mahnax

@DumbCow chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1

You can test things to your heart's content there.

Dumb Cow

@Mahnax Sorry, I wanted it fast. :-P

KitFox

@Mahnax Thank you.

Mahnax

4:32 PM

@KitFox Any time.

user19161

Hey @JSBձոգչ long time no see!

user19161

4:50 PM

I got three downvotes in my last nine answers. Tough these days. Perhaps I have also made an enemy like Robusto.

Matt Эллен

time to ride!

KitFox

Damn it. I can't figure out how to install the snapins I need on production.

Robusto

5:07 PM

@JasonBourne I am not your enemy. And in any case, I seldom downvote.

Noah

Did anybody downvote my answer?

They should avoid doing that. I will call 911.

if they do that.

Cerberus

Can somebody come and fix this snow thing?

Thanks.

It's so gooey and slippery.

David Wallace

Cerberus, hi! I thought you were permanently asleep.

Noah

@DavidWallace No, he was hibernating.

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Oh? Why? I wish...

David Wallace

5:19 PM

Has our three-headed dog become a three-headed bear?

Cerberus

I roar only when confronted with incorrect grammar.

Noah

@Cerberus I like that. But I dont like to slip over it.

@Cerberus stop doing that or your will be permentally suspneded.

Cerberus

@Noah If you come it, come and take your stuff with you.

@Noah Stop doing that or you will be roared at!

Noah

@DavidWallace Now we have a shade of red.

Shog9

This room is starting to look like one of those cards in a paint store

Cerberus

5:35 PM

@Shog9 I.e. like Windows 8.

Or Windows Phone.

In other words, square Disney.

Shog9

Why are you running Windows 8?

Cerberus

Because I am running XP.

Why are you running, Shog 9?

Or, rather, why 9?

user19161

6:13 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I am on Fedora 18 as I type. The installation was OK, but I had to do it twice to get it right. The partitioning step was a little confusing. Be warned.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne Thanks for the warning. I will probably do it in March.

Robusto

7:25 PM

@Shog9 You came here to tell us that? And what's your problem with Pantone swatches anyway?

RegDwighт

Pantone swatches.

Shog9

@Robusto Good point. Someone needs Emerald.

simchona

We should just pick the most pretentiously named swatches, so whenever someone simply says "why is your picture just tan" we can say "no, you plebe, it's ecru"

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Robusto

7:58 PM

Pantone

Pantone Inc. is a corporation headquartered in Carlstadt, New Jersey. The company is best known for its Pantone Matching System (PMS), a proprietary color space used in a variety of industries, primarily printing, though sometimes in the manufacture of colored paint, fabric, and plastics. In October 2007, X-Rite Inc, a supplier of color measurement instruments and software, purchased Pantone Inc. for $180 million. Overview Pantone began as a commercial printing company in the 1950s. In 1956, they hired recent Hofstra University graduate Lawrence Herbert as a part-time employee. Herbert ...

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