The Nineteenth Byte

hyper-neutrino

17:00

my cs240e midterm marks came out

tfw the class average was 74.6%

mathcat

17:13

Ah forgot about this

Ladies and gentlemen

Neil

@RadvylfPrograms ITYM querySelectorAll

mathcat

I'm about to present

Unrelated String

lmao

mathcat

The results of the Most Epic Poll™

Is Ginger a time traveler?

Answer: YES

3 people votes yes

and 1 person won't get candy

@GingerIndustries democracy says you're a time traveler

PyGamer0

17:27

@mathcat did you complete my quiz?

mathcat

I am Stuck

Radvylf Programs

> In 2014, it was reported that the Los Angeles Unified School District and the San Diego Unified School District acquired MRAPs for the school police

Why. The. Frick. Does a school need a mine-resistant ambush vehicle

pxeger

Cause the army was reselling them for cheap?

PyGamer0

lmao

Radvylf Programs

Nope, they're distributed free of charge

But still, there is zero reason a school district should have military weaponry

What next, mounting machine gun turrets on elementary schools?

Usually drug enforcement is used to justify acquiring these, but I don't think much drug enforcement in schools requires resistance to improvised explosives

> The Los Angeles School Police Department has also received excess military equipment, including 61 assault rifles, three grenade launchers, and an MRAP vehicle.

Grenade launchers?!

What kind of situation involving schools could be properly handled using grenade launchers?

SegFaultPlus4

18:08

i am trying to type all the even roman numerals from 2 to 100 in one miinute

i have gotten to XCVI twice

pain

@mathcat i say we vote to throw the whole poll out and start again

mathcat

okay

SegFaultPlus4

strawpoll.com/polls/XmZRjkLzLZd

here

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms yeetely-deetus, children deletus

mathcat

New poll

SegFaultPlus4

i got XCVIII now

@mathcat i pick unfunny

Ginger Industries

18:16

since when have I been known as Catman™

and who trademarked that

oh wait, I did

mathcat

I wanted it to sound professional

Ginger Industries

well thanks for using your time machine to shoot me in the foot past Ginger /s

mathcat

o.0

*takes a screenshot*

Ginger Industries

do you see

do you see the sarcasm closing tag

Bgil Midol

@GingerIndustries I thought it meant "Gingers"

mathcat

18:18

oh syt

I thought I had proof

@allxy o/, btw every vote is important to us

SegFaultPlus4

finally beat this

in 55 seconds

@mathcat 2-2

mathcat

yeah :(

SegFaultPlus4

18:39

@mathcat no dupes

mathcat

no

there's in ip-adress dupe check or something like that

yeah! it's 3:2 now

SegFaultPlus4

do not underestimate me

@lyxal @RadvylfPrograms we need your assistance

you have forced my hand

Radvylf Programs

With what

emanresu A

Wordle 263 3/6

⬛🟩🟩⬛⬛
⬛⬛🟨⬛⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

SegFaultPlus4

vote no on this

mathcat

18:53

wait what

no

don't

SegFaultPlus4

we need your help destroying the enemy

mathcat

I'll

give you

err

SegFaultPlus4

they'll do nothing

vote np

*no

mathcat

@mathcat 50 brownie points

SegFaultPlus4

i'll give you 51

if you vote no

mathcat

18:54

and I'll *deep breath* @lyxal sorry I have to do this

emanresu A

@user Internet explorer is a programmer's worst enemy

mathcat

Reduce the taxes by 0.01 percent

SegFaultPlus4

@emanresuA true

@mathcat i will reduce them by 0.011%

mathcat

you can't

SegFaultPlus4

anything you can do, i can do better

mathcat

18:55

you aren't in the govermet™

SegFaultPlus4

WHY IS IT 4-2

mathcat

wooh thanks anom.

SegFaultPlus4

alright i'm going to win this by force

haha

counter this

4-3

mathcat

wat

how

was that you???

but there is a IP-dupe-check

Seggan

@SegFaultPlus4 first time trying i got to XXXVIII

was so close to XL

SegFaultPlus4

19:01

i dare you to do a sub 13:30 run of this

@Seggan think i got LXish on my first go

@mathcat I have outsourced the work

Enjoy

emanresu A

@SegFaultPlus4 I've discovered a way to waste my time.

Seggan

jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/139806/…

i missed greenland somehow 😂

Ginger Industries

heyyyy

deploy worked

emanresu A

o/

mathcat

@GingerIndustries nice

Ginger Industries

19:14

@emanresuA o/

mathcat

\o

wait bye/hi?

Ginger Industries

one sec

There seems to be some confusion about how and when to use o/ and \o. Therefore, I've decided to make it more clear.
\o: Goodbye (when you're leaving)
o/: Goodbye (when someone else is leaving) or hello (when either you or someone else has joined)

3

@mathcat there you go

mathcat

nice

SegFaultPlus4

@mathcat do you think you are funny

mathcat

no

why?

SegFaultPlus4

19:19

do you think that your VPN tricks are funny

mathcat

I don't use a VPN

SegFaultPlus4

this means war

mathcat

I am owner of the poll

look at that!

voting is closed!

results:

strawpoll.com/polls/e6Z2eb7PwgN/results

SegFaultPlus4

I see how this goes

if you want to play, then let's play

I'll be back, and next time I'm making the poll

Ginger Industries

hm sus amugus

...wait

this gives me an idea

hold please

SegFaultPlus4

19:25

strawpoll.com/polls/NoZrL1DR3n3

here's a poll

go vote on it

It appears the consensus is unianimous

Bgil Midol

@SegFaultPlus4 i didn't vote

Ginger Industries

SegFaultPlus4

looks like we're starting from scratch

mathcat

@GingerIndustries lol

SegFaultPlus4

@BgilMidol there is no abstain, it is either yes, or no

Bgil Midol

19:34

@SegFaultPlus4 both are yes

@GingerIndustries lol

SegFaultPlus4

@BgilMidol wdym

Bgil Midol

???

Radvylf Programs

I think we need to kind of calm down on the off-topic nonsense, okay?

Ginger Industries

sorry mr radvylf

Radvylf Programs

I don't think there's been conversation here relevant to CGCC all day

People's requests for sandbox feedback and discussion of CMCs are being buried by irrelevant stuff

Ginger Industries

19:37

@RadvylfPrograms speaking of which

1

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ Thanks to emanresu A for suggesting this. The challenge is simple: Given a number \$n\ge 1\$ , output that generation of ಠ_ಠ faces, where each generation is two of the previous one joined by an underscore. Examples: In: 1 Out: ಠ_ಠ In: 2 Out: ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ In: 5 Out: ಠ_ಠ_...

SegFaultPlus4

@BgilMidol fake

Radvylf Programs

This isn't just a discord server with Code Golf in the name. A little off topic fun is fine, but it can get over the top pretty easily.

13

SegFaultPlus4

ok fair enough

Radvylf Programs

And I know I'm partially responsible for that, but this room's primary purpose is for the discussion of CGCC, and we need to be careful not to let other stuff get too much in the way.

SegFaultPlus4

let's all just agree @GingerIndustries is not a time traveler and get back on topic

Ginger Industries

19:39

2 mins ago, by Ginger Industries

1

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ Thanks to emanresu A for suggesting this. The challenge is simple: Given a number \$n\ge 1\$ , output that generation of ಠ_ಠ faces, where each generation is two of the previous one joined by an underscore. Examples: In: 1 Out: ಠ_ಠ In: 2 Out: ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ In: 5 Out: ಠ_ಠ_...

mathcat

so now

mathcat

19:58

Let's talk about golfing

CMC: Swap 0 with 1 and 1 with 0

DLosc

Pip, 2 bytes: !a

Bgil Midol

Python, 19 bytes, exit([1,0][input()])

(I counted that by hand)

DLosc

BitCycle, 5 bytes:

 !
?~

@BgilMidol Why not 1-input()?

Bgil Midol

oh right

DLosc

(Also that only works for Python 2)

Bgil Midol

20:01

(I know.)

mathcat

(nice)

wrong chatroom I think :P

Bgil Midol

oops

DLosc

Python, 12 bytes: lambda x:1-x

mathcat

\o

DLosc

o/

Bgil Midol

20:03

o/

JavaScript, 6 bytes: x=>1-x

Vyxal, 2 bytes: 1-

DLosc

tinylisp, 12 bytes: (q((N)(s 1 N

Retina, 1 byte: 0

Bgil Midol

@DLosc how does that even work?

DLosc

"Count the number of 0s in the input" :D

Acc!!, 10 bytes: Write 97-N

///, 13 bytes: /_0/1//_1/0/_

mathcat

@DLosc nice

wait why am I still here

Bgil Midol

@mathcat wat

Noxan, 3 bytes: -1Ŋ

(Basically 1 - int(input()))

DLosc

20:30

HBL, 1.5 bytes: -1. or '?.

or 10.

(respectively "subtract argument from 1," "argument is zero," and "0 to the power of argument")

Bgil Midol

Noxan, 3 bytes: ⁱ0Ŋ

0**int(input())

Fmbalbuena

A lot of blue and yellow...

DLosc

Risky, 1.5 bytes: 1-? or 0:? or 02? (same explanations as the HBL solutions); also 1{? "compare 1 with input" and 11? "distance between 1 and input"

Ginger Industries

@mathcat Etch, 22 bytes: :out:abs:int:get;;-1;;

DLosc

Unpublished version of Exceptionally, 5 bytes: GIDFP (get input, convert to int, decrement, flip sign, print; execution loops back to the beginning but instantly errors because there isn't a second line of input)

allxy

20:59

@BgilMidol ⌐ nerd

Ginger Industries

@allxy don't shoot nerds!

Fmbalbuena

Any feedback? (Final)

Hmmmm...

There is no dupes.

allxy

Actually ¬ works as well

New Posts

21:15

0

Q: Reveal all clues of Black Box

Black Box is a board game, Your task is to reveal all clues. What is black box Black box is a board game with hidden atoms, Your task is given input, All atoms, reveal all clues. I/O Input The atoms can be any 1-char that is not newline (Used for separator) Like this. O.... ...O. ..O.. ..... .......

caird coinheringaahing

@RadvylfPrograms Pinned this, cause I think it's good for this reminder to stick around for a while - off-topic convos have gotten a lot more common recently

Unrelated String

22:06

and a lot more off topic

Ginger Industries

22:17

hey guess what

you can now install etch from pip to use on your own system!

Bgil Midol

Any feedback?

Ginger Industries

I also made a handy-dandy REPL for you to use

just type pip3 install etchlang[repl] to install the lang and the repl, all in one go

and then type etch to start the REPL

(that command also runs files, for more info type etch -h)

@RadvylfPrograms I will be sure to stay on topic more from now on.

Radvylf Programs

22:43

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms lol

I need to make a logo for Etch.

Radvylf Programs

radvylf@penguin:~$ pip3 install etchlang[repl]
Collecting etchlang[repl]
  Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement etchlang[repl] (from versions: )
No matching distribution found for etchlang[repl]

Ginger Industries

hm

it works for me

try installing them seperately

Radvylf Programs

Here's my uname -a if it helps:

> Linux penguin 5.4.163-17384-g99ca1c60d20c #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 14 18:55:20 PST 2022 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Is it specific to a certain distro or something?

Ginger Industries

shouldn't be

lemme make sure

doesn't look like it

user

22:49

A pip package shouldn't be specific to an OS?

Ginger Industries

@user it can be

but etch shouldn't

user

Well even if a package is meant for, say, Windows, you should still be able to download it on Linux, right? It just won't run

Radvylf Programs

Oh, does it require a specific Python version maybe?

I'm on 3.7.3

Ginger Industries

I built it on Python 3.8

oh yup

that would be it

it's configured to only work on 3.8

tbh it shouldn't be

one sec

okay, done

@RadvylfPrograms try again

I take it it worked?

also:

Feb 23 at 14:29, by Radvylf Programs

I'll get you the 1.18 en_US tonight if you remind me

lyxal

23:11

@mathcat I trust you did it having considered any consequences

So it's fine

Neil

@SegFaultPlus4 visit the online codeword solver and type in 9 .s, this forces it to show you all 9 letter words with no repeating letters

@GingerIndustries even more clear: just don't use either

Ginger Industries

I want to use them

so I will

Minor news: Python 3.11 will have native TOML parsing support

which is nice

lyxal

23:26

You would think that seeing as how TOML files are used to package vyxal and other esolangs here, I'd actually understand how to use it

But I don't

Which is kinda funny

user

TOML was literally made by Tom to be Obvious, how can you not get it?

lyxal

I mean it's readable but I haven't the slightest how to write it

Because I'm one of those YAML kids

Seggan

JSON = best cross-lang text storage format

if you want binary, I'd vote Msgpack

@GingerIndustries when will python have yaml tho

lyxal

@GingerIndustries as a library or built in?

Seggan

STL lib

user

23:38

@lyxal I know you can look this up yourself but it really seems to be quite simple

DLosc

> Strong types are generally considered a disadvantage in configuration formats[citation needed].

(WP)

user

Depending on how it's implemented, I don't think strong typing would be too bad

Seggan

@lyxal noyaml.com

the Norway problem especially

user

lol

YAML can get annoying but it's pretty manageable even with all those issues

Seggan

its hard to parse tho as well

i wrote a json parser in Java using only 160 lines

user

23:42

I really like that you can refer to previous key-value pairs and put in comments and multiline strings and stuff

@Seggan JSON is nice despite how minimal it is, but it is minimal after all

Seggan

I respect gradle for making build scripts in Groovy/Kotlin. Code is the best way for non-simple config imo

user

I'm currently working on some code that used to use YAML to deserialize Java objects. Would've been a huge pain to do it in JSON without aliases and comments

@Seggan +1

lyxal

Honestly, someone needs to make a markup language that supports complex numbers and precise fractions

I'd use that

user

Only problem is that static analysis becomes harder, but honestly, you're probably using a snazzy IDE with a plugin for that anyway

Seggan

YAAML

Yet Another Another Markup Language

user

23:44

YAML Ain't Markup Language

Seggan

+1

user

@Seggan That was the original acronym, but they changed it to the Ain't backronym instead

@lyxal At that point you might as well make an embedded DSL in a real programming language

Seggan

@user It only has 1 "Another" thats why i put 2

@user looks at groovy and gradle

user

Oh, didn't see the extra Another

@Seggan Exactly, Gradle is so nice

Maven is crap

And now Gradle even allows build.kts, although the support for that seems to be kinda eh

Seggan

:60612033 jar {
    from("extrafiles") {
        include "**.resource"
    }
}

id much prefer that over any other alternative

+ the ability to add code directly into the config

user

23:48

@user I think most people would, but this << becomes a problem

Seggan

<<?

user

The message of mine that I replied to

Seggan

ah

user

The more limited your config file format, the easier it is to parse and detect errors/warnings

Seggan

ye

i tried parsing JSON5 before i gave up and switched to normal JSON

user

23:50

Not that rerunning those build files is a huge problem

@Seggan What about it made it so hard?

Seggan

it has comments, single quoted strings, numbers like 1.6e-10, hex, Infinity and NaN, and a few other dataypes i dont care about parsing

user

Huh, those don't sound too bad

Seggan

yeah, but it doubles the size of the parser. still minimal compared to yaml

besides, whos using json5?

user

JSON4's son, of course :P

lyxal

@Seggan wait there's 5 of them now? Who tf keeps cloning Jason, and why do they never spell his name right?

Seggan

23:56

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the left arm never renders

user

smh it's not Jason, it's JSON (the SON of J)

@Seggan Your \ is interpreted as escaping _

I can much English and code today

Seggan

@user ah

lyxal

@Seggan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sounds like a you problem

@user what if it's actually Jeson and Radvylf is in charge of naming?

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