English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Ah, that's an interesting one.

A Scandinavian name.

Yup.

Griswold.

That one I do not know.

Also interesting: wold - Walt (German) - woud (Dutch) - wood.

Ah, that's interesting.

G Warner

@adamaero yes there is an app (website) for that lutins.org/lists/minced_oaths.html

12:06 AM

Wald in German, wold in OE, etc.

Oh, it's Wald.

That makes sense, I was thinking something was off with my spelling.

Heh, it's easy to mix things up when you're aware of many different languages.

I once made a remark in German about a Wagner opera, but I used the term Opfer instead of Oper just because I had a brain cramp, and it got a big laugh.

12:21 AM

Haha.

Almost the same thing.

A victim or casualty, right?

Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte

@Cerberus You must not eat enough Schwarzwälderkirschtorte.

Long ago I was taught by an old Ukrainian woman that it should use ground nuts in lieu of flour to make it a "torte" not a "cake". I don't know whether this true but it was delicious when she made one.

Eine Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte (in der Schweiz Schwarzwäldertorte) ist eine Sahnetorte, die sich seit den 1930er Jahren vor allem in Deutschland verbreitet hat und im Laufe der Zeit zu der beliebtesten deutschen Torte wurde. Heute gilt sie als die klassische deutsche Torte und ist auf der ganzen Welt bekannt. Die wesentlichen Komponenten sind mit Kirschwasser aromatisierte Schokoladenbiskuitböden, eine aromatisierte Kirschfüllung, Sahne, Kirschen sowie Schokoladenraspeln als Verzierung. Die genauen Ursprünge sind unklar, sie sind nicht zwangsläufig im Schwarzwald zu suchen. == Name == Für die…

But ground-almond flour, surprisingly, not ground-hazelnut flour as you might have expected.

@Cerberus Yes.

12:50 AM

@tchrist Yeah I know, was just tired/tipsy.

@tchrist That should add a lot of calories?

@Cerberus She's dead now, at a very ripe old age in her late 80s. Doesn't seem to have foreshortened her span. But then you take smaller slices if you worry about that. Better to have a smaller portion of something that tastes better than a larger portion of something that doesn't.

Absolutely.

It is also probably much more expensive?

Ya think?

A single almond takes 40 gallons of water to produce.

1:18 AM

@tchrist I heard 1500 gallons per pound of almonds. Very wasteful.

That was the authoritative voice of Bill Maher speaking just last week.

So it ain't necessarily so.

Hmm. Here's what I said six or so years ago:

Oct 1 '15 at 17:36, by Robusto

Even if almonds are good for memory, we mustn't forget that it takes a gallon of water to make a single almond.

> California supplies about 80% of the United States almonds, and dedicates 10%, or 80 million gallons, of its state’s water to grow the nut. To grow one almond requires 1.1 gallons of water, and to grow a pound takes 1,900 gal/lb.

Perhaps there are less wasteful ways.

We're all over the map on this. Probably nobody knows for sure.

Step 1: Don't grow them in the fucking desert.

Duh.

1:22 AM

Although using water may not be wasteful if there is plenty of it.

See desert.

Okay, desert is not it.

Step 2: Recognize that California is a fucking desert!

paesta.psu.edu/podcast/…

It's transcribed.

That's where I took that text from.

They've bankrupted the aquifer.

And they're still in drought. That was four years ago.

> It states that although almonds trees use a lot of water to grow, these trees can be ground up and used as biomass fuel for cogeneration plants, essentially helping make electricity.

1:25 AM

Does the river Colorado flow through California?

Yeah my ass.

Uh, sure. That will solve the problem.

@Cerberus It only tries. They suck it dry.

Thick as thieves.

I once saw a documentary about that river and how it never reached the sea any more. But I was a child then.

It hasn't gotten any better.

1:26 AM

Nor any worse?

Oh yes.

Much worse.

Around 2% of all the water California consumes actually goes through the bathrooms and kitchens of human beings. The rest is all agriculture and firefighting.

I saw it on one of those huge screens that surround you. Nice view of the canyons.

The Law of the River was based on a super-rare run of extremely wet years.

So next time someone makes a law that restaurants can't automatically serve glasses of water with dinner, just realize how absurd that is.

1:27 AM

During which time there was 50% more water than average. So the quotas are 33% high. For a non-drought year.

Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah

►

Why you shouldn't have robot readers.

And too bad for people who don't read music, because they never play the fucking thing.

Look at Lake Powell. If you can find it.

The Lower Basin is demanding our water.

The way water rights here is that oldest gets to take the younger claims upstream and impose their will legally.

Southern California was settled before Colorado was. So they get to take our water.

> If I had to chose who to believe, I would stick with the farmers since they are dealing with the almonds first hand, and not the media, who may have never stepped foot on an almond farm or any farm for that matter.

Did you know it is ILLEGAL HERE to collect rainwater falling on your roof!?!!

Oh, yeah, because farmers would never prevaricate about a thing like that.

1:33 AM

That isn't your water. It belongs to somebody in Arizona.

@tchrist Dafuq?

@Robusto Welcome to the world west of the Hundredth.

cpr.org/2021/06/18/…

@Robusto Colorado – The only state that it is completely illegal to harvest rainwater. Other than that each house is allowed up to 110 gallons of rain barrel storage.

> New Mexico – Some rainwater harvesting systems need a permit, but this state offers payable incentives for green building such as rainwater harvesting.

It's all about stealing our water.

We're the source of the water in the west.

So they made laws saying we can't have any.

@tchrist I don't see why they're roping New Mexico in on the Colorado River thing. It doesn't come anywhere near us.

Because the part of New Mexico that falls to the west of the Continental Divide is part of that basin.

One of Denver's main water sources is from the Western Basin, although Denver sits in the Eastern Basin. This is an insanely and impossibly expensive thing to pay for the electricity it takes to pump water from one basin to another. So they don't do that. They use gravity, which is free.

Lake Dillon, by Silverton and Breckenridge on I-70, is very high. It's a reservoir. There's an immense more diagonally down from there piercing the Divide.

We should start piping water from the Great Lakes to the West.

1:44 AM

@Robusto Wrong basin. Again.

They want to steal the Klamath in California. They're on acid.

We pipe oil, don't we?

Can't get $100 a barrel for water.

Not yet.

That's a bit clearer picture of the basin.

Thanks.

But I'd be very surprised if much of New Mexico's water ever finds its way to the river.

1:47 AM

The Río Grande is in the Eastern Basin. It's still our water. :)

Yes. But downstream has claims on that as well.

It's awful.

> Ostdiek said it’s a “universally-accepted goal” among the seven states to avoid that situation. That’s why they agreed to the 2019 Colorado River Drought-Contingency Plan, which includes the provision that if Lake Powell drops below 3,525 feet, the upper-basin states and the Bureau of Reclamation have a plan in place to send more water to Lake Powell.

Elephant Butte Reservoir was at 80% a couple years ago. Now they're saying it might get down to 1% because of all the claims on the water.

> Ostdiek said that there’s already been “really, really painful [water] cuts across the state,” because of the prior appropriation system— Colorado’s legal framework that regulates surface water and tributary groundwater use through a priority system of who owned what water rights first.

Ostdiek said junior water rights users are getting shut off, which means those who have acquired water rights more recently are beat out by those who’ve owned them for longer. She said the state's southwest corner is a particularly painful spot for shutoffs right now with ongoing extreme drought conditions.

Great Salt ~~Lake~~ is having a big problem right now. They're pulling an Owen Lake number on it, R.I.P.

What is an "Owen Lake" number?

1:50 AM

When they destroyed it back in the 20th century to create Los Angeles, it turned into a poisonous dust bowl of clouds of arsenic.

From today: Utah’s Great Salt Lake has been shrinking for years. Now it faces a drought

> The receding water is affecting wildlife and could send arsenic-laced dust into the air that millions breathe

> “There’s a lot of people who believe that every drop that goes into the Great Salt Lake is wasted,” Perry said. “That’s the perspective I’m trying to change. The lake has needs, too. And they’re not being met.”

Yup. That's how it is with the evil that men do in the American West. They destroy their own homes with greed.

Capitalism. The system in which the biggest thieves have the biggest rights.

No, suiciders and ecociders.

The best account I know of the eco-disaster they created out of the former Owens Lake is again in Cadillac Desert: The American West and Its Disappearing Water, which I've recommended to you before.

Cadillac Desert

Cadillac Desert (1986), is a history by American Marc Reisner about land development and water policy in the western United States. Subtitled The American West and its Disappearing Water, it explores the history of the federal agencies, Bureau of Reclamation and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and their struggles to remake the American West in ways to satisfy national settlement goals. The book concludes that the development-driven policies, formed when settling the West was the country's main concern, have had serious long-term negative effects on the environment and water quantity. The book was...

A lake no more:

Owens Valley

Owens Valley (Numic: Payahǖǖnadǖ, "place of flowing water") is an arid valley of the Owens River in eastern California in the United States. It is located to the east of the Sierra Nevada, west of the White Mountains and Inyo Mountains, and north of the Mojave Desert. It sits on the west edge of the Great Basin. The mountain peaks on the West side (including Mount Whitney) reach above 14,000 feet (4,300 m) in elevation, while the floor of the Owens Valley is about 4,000 feet (1,200 m), making the valley the deepest in the United States. The Sierra Nevada casts the valley in a rain shadow, which...

California water wars

The California water wars were a series of political conflicts between the city of Los Angeles and farmers and ranchers in the Owens Valley of Eastern California over water rights. As Los Angeles expanded during the late 19th century, it began outgrowing its water supply. Fred Eaton, mayor of Los Angeles, realized that water could flow from Owens Valley to Los Angeles via an aqueduct. The aqueduct construction was overseen by William Mulholland and was finished in 1913. The water rights were acquired through political fighting and, as described by one author, "chicanery, subterfuge ... and a strategy...

Guess who won that war.

@tchrist I'll see if I can get that as an Audible book, so I can consume it on my way to LA in August.

That would be fitting.

It's raining here again. So weird.

Same here.

2:00 AM

We got 15.6 inches of rain by June 30th. Last year we got 17 inches over all twelve months of the year.

I don't know what it is for us right now, but the Rio Grande is still flowing right along. Last year at this time it was a sandy trickle.

Boulder County in particular this years looks in many places very much like Walworth County does. Green. Giant grass. It's bizarre.

The desert here has been blooming.

After driving through Nebraska, your eyes don't even know what green is anymore.

Fifth Season.

Awfully damned early this year.

It just doesn't rain between Memorial Day and Labor Day here.

The only up side to driving through Nebraska is that there's not a lot of traffic and you can get through it pretty fast.

2:05 AM

Yes, until you hit the greenlands east of the Hundredth. Just west of Lincoln.

Then you're in Zombie Iowa.

Owned by Nebraska, but looks like Iowa.

Iowa. The land of Fat Farmers.

The Land of No Insects

No land can long survive that.

It's Zombied. Dead and doesn't know it yet.

It's not even growing fucking food.

It's growing monoculture soybeans and corn to feed pigs and such.

We were going through Iowa once and stopped at a restaurant, in which food was served cafeteria style. We loaded food onto our plates and proceeded to the carving station. I indicated that I would have a slice of beef, thinking of something about the size of a deck of cards. The piece the server cut literally draped over the edges of the plate. As I was about to ask for half of that she said, "You want some ham with that?"

Fields you can spray with glyphosate.

Everyone in the restaurant was 300 lbs. on the hoof.

2:08 AM

Riding tractors.

@tchrist Yeah, and it gets so you don't even know if your food has glyphosate in it anymore. I don't think even the "organic" label is immune to that.

EVERYTHING has glyphosate in it now.

> In the late 1990s, as the last patents for glyphosate expired, the generic pesticide industry began to offer low-cost versions. In Argentina, for example, prices dropped from $40 per liter in the 1980s to $3 in 2000.

In the mid-1990s, China began to manufacture pesticides. Weak environmental, safety and health regulations and energetic promotion policies initially made Chinese glyphosate very cheap.

China still dominates the pesticide industry – it exported 46% of all herbicides worldwide in 2018 – but now other countries are getting into the business, including Malaysia and India. Pest…

From here, posted 5 hours ago.

I think it's a repost. I'd swear I read it over the weekend.

> As scholars who study global trade, food systems and their effects on the environment, we see a bigger story: Generic glyphosate is ubiquitous around the globe. Farmers use it on a majority of the world’s agricultural fields. Humans spray enough glyphosate to coat every acre of farmland in the world with half a pound of it every year.

Read that again.

Humans spray enough glyphosate to coat every acre of farmland in the world with half a pound of it every year.

> According to The Guardian, other foods with high contamination levels include almonds, beets, beet sugar, canola oil, carrots, corn and corn oil, quinoa, soy products, sweet potatoes, and vegetable oil.

Carrots? Carrots? Sweet potatoes?

I don't use corn oil or canola oil anymore. Virgin olive oil and avocado oil for me.

> Although glyphosate breaks down in the environment relatively quickly, it is present in aquatic systems at a volume large enough to be detected in blood samples from Florida manatees.

But I do like my oatmeal. I buy organic oats in bulk, but now I'm a bit worried.

2:17 AM

There's no end of endocrine disruptors in our water, in our food.

Go figure out why young men today have only half the sperm their grandfathers had at their age.

It's probably not that, but nobody knows for sure.

Male fertility: how everyday chemicals are destroying sperm counts in humans and animals

> Within just a few generations, human sperm counts may decline to levels below those considered adequate for fertility. That’s the alarming claim made in epidemiologist Shanna Swan’s new book, “Countdown”, which assembles a raft of evidence to show that the sperm count of western men has plunged by over 50% in less than 40 years.

That means men reading this article will on average have half the sperm count of their grandfathers. And, if the data is extrapolated forwards to its logical conclusion, men could have little or no reproductive capacity from 2060 onwards.

> Then, in 2017, a more robust study that accounted for these discrepancies revealed that the sperm count of western men had declined by 50%-60% between 1973 and 2011, dropping on average 1%-2% per year. This is the “countdown” to which Shanna Swan refers.

That's crazy. It's like we all started wearing sperm-killing undies.

> During the “programming window” for foetal masculinisation – when the foetus develops male characteristics – disruptions in hormone signalling have been shown to have a lasting impact on male reproductive capabilites into adulthood. This was originally proven in animal studies, but there’s now growing support from human studies.

This hormonal interference is caused by chemicals in our everyday products, which have the capacity to either act like our hormones, or to prevent them from functioning properly at key stages in our development.

First they came for the insects, and I said nothing because I am not an insect.

Then they came for the frogs, and I said nothing because I am not a frog.

Then they they came for my grandchildren, and it was too late.

...

A: Is there any difference between "thou wast" and "thou wert"?

This needs to be pointier:

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Wert is more likely to be subjunctive In the King James Bible, as well as in some other texts, wert appears only in "subjunctive" contexts. Using the online KJV bible search engines at King James Bible Online and the University of Michigan Bible: King James Version -- Simple Searches shows that w...

2:48 AM

@tchrist Glyfosate is on its way out, though, isn't it?

Not immediately, but soonish.

> In April 2014, the legislature of the Netherlands passed legislation prohibiting sale of glyphosate to individuals for use at home; commercial sales were not affected.[211]

...

@Cerberus I shouldn't imagine so. Do you expect that China will stop making it for nothing and selling it around the world?

> In July 2019, the Austrian parliament voted to ban glyphosate in Austria.[226]

In September 2019, the German Environment Ministry announced that the use of glyphosate will be banned from the end of 2023. The use of glyphosate-based herbicides will be reduced starting from 2020.[227]

The assessment process for an approval of glyphosate in the European Union will begin in December 2019. France, Hungary, the Netherlands and Sweden will jointly assess the application dossiers of the producers. The draft report of the assessment group will then be peer-reviewed by the EFSA before the current…

Those are little places.

@tchrist It will be forbidden in more and more places.

Like Luxembourg forbids it.

2:49 AM

It took a great effort to get it licensed for another five years in 2017.

Very frustrating.

That wasn't a global licence though.

Right?

And Germany will outlaw it by 2023, just as its European licence expires.

So I think it it will not be relicensed in Europe. So it will be completely banned there after 2022.

And I think the same thing will happen in other places.

@tchrist No, European.

Drive six hours or whatever through Iowa during high summer, agriculture exploding in the fields that we plow. You won't have to clean your windshield. And you will see almost no butterfly.

Because they poison them all.

These things can happen rapidly once momentum gathers.

Wouldn't want to risk the grain we feed the pigs we feed the pigs we feed the people, thousands of gallons later.

2:53 AM

For example, the EU is planning to institute substantial import tariffs on things that cause pollution in their production beyond what is allowed in the EU, for a level playing field, fair competition, as they call it.

I wonder how that would work out.

So there is a chance that nothing grown using glyfosate will be allowed into the EU except at a high tariff.

Which will be a big incentive for anyone exporting into the EU.

It follows that questions about writing in general and punctuation in particular are not really questions about language αυτος. At best they raise a relatively trivial subclass of issues ancillary to developing a scientific appreciation of how language works, and at worst they constitute an actively harmful distraction or impediment to meaningful inquiry.

And how can a producer guarantee low levels of pollution, if it still pollutes but exports that produce to places where it's allowed? That is difficult. It is much easier to just stop polluting.

He said αυτος.

@Cerberus Yes, it is difficult.

2:56 AM

So I think we will see substantial changes in the intermediate term world side: I think the trend is in the same direction in China and America.

Is "language αυτος" like "language ipsa"?

Well, modulo the gender.

Sorry.

It could be if he used the correct gender and diacritics.

Heh.

Then the word can function like that.

It seems language is masculine, so he got that right, actually.

Yes, that's what I meant about being sorry for saying ipsa.

2:59 AM

And I don't really mind the lack of accent mark, but the spiritus should have been there.

My brain was thinking "lingua".

I, too, was in doubt about the gender of language.

The -e would suggest feminine, but no.

Yeah no.

I think -age is just a masculine suffix?

Think so.

3:01 AM

It seems to be from Latin -(a?)ticum?

Which would be neuter.

And neuter words usually become masculine in French.

Yes, but no modern Romance tongue has a full neuter.

That.

> The intended sense of αὐτός is generally defined by its grammatical context. When used as a lone nominal without an article, it is generally the third person personal pronoun. When appended to a nominal and not possessing the definite article it is "self". When combined with the definite article, either appended to a nominal or on its own, it is "same".

Yes.

Except that it is never considered 'lone' (substantive) in the nominative.

Curious how close that description is to how we handle même/s in French and mismo/a/os/as in Spanish. All three of those ways.

I don't think you can use même as a personal pronoun?

But, yes, same and self are closely related in many languages, including Dutch.

"The same" = hetzelfde.
"The thing itself" = het ding zelf.

Right, it's not a personal pronoun. But you can have la même personne for the same person or la personne même for the person herself.

Or toi-même and all the rest.

And Spanish can nominalize the neuter: Lo mismo is the same thing.

Unlike el mismo amigo or la misma amiga. That one stands alone with the neuter article used to make an adjective into a substantive.

ipso facto

3:14 AM

Noted.

@tchrist I think you can substantivise même, but it will not be neuter, and it will still mean "same" rather than a plain personal pronoun.

> In April 2019, Vietnam's Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development banned the use of glyphosate throughout the country.[236]

In August 2020, Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador announced that glyphosate will be gradually phased out of use in Mexico by late 2024.[237]

A: Why is this question on hyphen usage downvoted?

I heard that about Mexico. It will be interesting to see if it happens.

The thing that makes it a little bit like a personal pronoun not a noun phrase that's a "determiner phrase" is that lo mismo does not accept adjectives.

So it's like "esto" and "eso" that way. Although if it did, they would be masculine because you cannot have neuter adjectives, only pronouns, in Spanish.

Lo and ello, and esto and eso and aquello, are the five neuter pronouns. The first is also the neuter article to make an adjective a substantive.

French just uses the masculine article for that.

So does Portuguese.

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Questions about punctuation may run afoul of some EL&U participants' preferences in several ways. First and most obviously, punctuation is strictly relevant to writing, not to spoken language—and for at least the past sixty years a central tenet of linguistics is that spoken language is language,...

The Greek was from there.

@tchrist Maybe a little bit, but...

Yeah, reaching.

It's hard to intensify though.

I would say, maybe it's somewhat pronominal, but not really personal.

I'm not sure what hetzelfde (used substantively) would be called.

In Dutch, you can do things like deze zelfde man, "this (very?) same man".

La misma cosa is the same thing, but you cannot say la muy misma cosa. It's not grammatical. There are some, though, who say la mismita cosa for that.

To mean the very same thing.

3:29 AM

There is no "very"?

You can't use it there. Not on mismo.

At any rate, very is an adverb.

But mismo should be an adjective. It agrees.

But you can't say "muy mismo" anything.

Nor can you add an adverb in Dutch.

But you can use a demonstrative instead of an article.

Most of us non-Mexicans :) would say la mismísima cosa.

3:31 AM

Is that allowed?

That way i's an absolute superlative. But you knew that.

Sure!

I know nothing about Spanish.

mismísimo

Adjective: mismísimo (feminine mismísima, masculine plural mismísimos, feminine plural mismísimas)

superlative degree of mismo: (the) very same

Except that it has funny diminutives.

But I'm sure they'd same the same about Dutch diminutives.

At any rate, it is half past five...

Good morning!

3:32 AM

I'm brushing my teeth.

> But Gandalf looked at him from under long bushy eyebrows that stuck out further than the brim of his shady hat. "What do you mean?" he said. "Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?"

> To think that I should have lived to be good-morninged by Belladonna Took's son, as if I was selling buttons at the door!

Was?

Yes, that's what he wrote.

Is good morning too informal for Gandalf?

No, it's that he didn't know what Bilbo meant. What he meant was actually go away.

3:35 AM

I suppose the was is also informal on purpose.

"Good morning!"

Yes.

Like when someone says "And good day with you sir!"

Ah, British subtlety.

The subtlety of little Britain, I should have said.

It's the good-night version of good morning, rather than the good-evening version.

It's valedictory.

Not the reverse.

Right.

Good morning and good night.

I get up at 5am.

3:37 AM

By the way, I still have your very nice card sitting somewhere on my desk.

You go to bed at 5am.

Two ships passing in the night.

I meant to send you a Christmas card but I ran out of time (I was making pop-up cards and family had to go first, it too a lot of time).

My what a big desk you have?

Well, to be fair, it's tucked with other cards.

I keep my cards, too.

3:39 AM

But I noticed it when some cards fell off as I was cleaning.

Now you know how often I clean.

May they be a comfort to you in the long dark nights of your eventual dotage. That's my thinking, anyway.

Well, I actually repositioned it several times since receipt.

Yes, cards are nice to keep and read back.

Not quite mathoms.

No, you cannot regift them, nor need to.

Some do...

Really?

3:41 AM

One can glue a new piece of paper on top.

How left-handed.

Gauche, not sinister.

Yeah.

Perhaps unless one was not oneself the recipient.

(That was is temporal, not conditional.)

Don't give me bad dreams.

Suppose I found a very beautiful card at a flea market.

With some uninteresting text on it from the eighties.

Used? But with little inscription to speak of?

3:43 AM

I could just glue a piece of paper onto the back side and write on it.

But I couldn't do that to a card that was sent to me.

I might do it in case I miswrote something.

I mean, if I were writing a card, and I messed up the name or something, I might stick a new piece of paper over the text and begin anew.

Of course it needs to be very neat, so it would have to be a very nice card for me to make the effort.

Papet, really? First you lay down a lead-based white ink....

"Whiteout" we call it. :)

Papet?

Wite-Out

Wite-Out is a registered trademark for a brand of correction fluid, originally created for use with photocopies, and manufactured by the BIC corporation. == History == Wite-Out dates to 1966, when Edwin Johanknecht, an insurance-company clerk, sought to address a problem he observed in correction fluid available at the time: a tendency to smudge ink on photostatic copies when it was applied. Johanknecht enlisted the help of his associate George Kloosterhouse, a basement waterproofer who experimented with chemicals, and together they developed their own correction fluid, introduced as "Wite-Out...

Liquid Paper

Liquid Paper is an American brand of the Newell Brands company marketed internationally that sells correction fluid, correction pens, and correction tape. Mainly used to correct typewriting in the past, correction products now mostly cover handwriting mistakes. == Product history == In 1956, Bette Nesmith Graham invented the first correction fluid in her kitchen. Working as a typist, she used to make many mistakes and always strove for a way to correct them. Starting on a basis of tempera paint she mixed with a common kitchen blender, she called the fluid "Mistake Out" and started to provide her...

Yeah, I only use it to fix handwriting mistakes, not typing msitakes.

I don't use that.

Because typing mistakes you fix by merely typing them again.

Oh how do fix something you misletter?

Paper.

You already told me. Sorry. Tired.

3:57 AM

I begin anew. Or a strike through if it's less important.

If you're using a quill pen, you can always dip it in the white ink and overwrite exactly where it had been before. :)

I remember we had a kind of correction band or strip that you could use in a type-writer, to make a mistaken letter white.

Yeah.

I remember that.

It was fun.

And it worked well enough.

I'm surprised you do, though.

3:58 AM

Those machines were already of the past when I was a child, but we had an old one lying around.

Which made a good toy.

We liked to write letters.

I was going to say, I've not seen the likes of those since my university days. I think I may have owned one even.

It was long before we had a computer, though.

That's right.

Maybe they were still used in some offices at that time? No idea.

When were type-writers phased out in offices?

It's ten o'clock. I really have to go to bed. Please good morning.

dunno

4:00 AM

I think they were replaced with those electronic-kind-of type-writers?

Sleep well.

5:40 AM

Word of the day: antrum

I just had a gastroscopy, and the doctor's impression report says "multiple erosions of the antrum, up to 3 mm in size"

Maybe I've been feeling weak and always heavy in the stomach due to these erosions.

The H.Pilori biopsy result will be ready in a week's time.

I should take some test for occult iron deficiency, to catch the anemia, if there is one.

6:06 AM

Curling's ulcer

Curling's ulcer is an acute gastric erosion resulting as a complication from severe burns when reduced plasma volume leads to ischemia and cell necrosis (sloughing) of the gastric mucosa. The condition was first described in 1823 and named for a doctor, Thomas Blizard Curling, who observed ten such patients in 1842.These stress ulcers (actually shallow multiple erosions) were once a common complication of serious burns, presenting in over 10% of cases, and especially common in child burn victims. They result in perforation and hemorrhage more often than other forms of intestinal ulceration and...

I wonder how Curling managed to discover these in the first half of the 19 century.

There must have been no gastroscopy back then.

I wonder if coffee promotes erosions of the stomach. I've been drinking liters of it.

7:31 AM

> AstraZeneca's most commercially successful medication is esomeprazole (Nexium).

Haha, I was prescribed it.

Accidentally, it raises the concentration of escitalopram.

9:02 AM

First crash of an electric car reported in Yekaterinburg e1.ru/text/incidents/2021/07/07/70011500

This day will go down in history.

Although it was an exhibition item, a very expensive Porsche

Matt E. Эллен

9:34 AM

denouement and duodenum are confusable IMHO

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10:41 AM

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Bohemian relativist

12:12 PM

@tchrist I just feel it's so absurd that there is no air conditioner here in summer, when the temperature can rise to the level of intolerant hotness.

when it's too hot, I feel I cannot exercise my brain well.

In 1959, in the Ypsilanti State Hospital in Michigan, there lived three men who each believed that they were the biblical figure Jesus Christ.

Bohemian relativist

I just saw an office has electric fan,wondering if the office users buy it themselves or the university provides it to them.

it's really too hot to work well.

12:41 PM

@CowperKettle They were all impostors. I am the real J.C.

1:17 PM

@CowperKettle ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4297217