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1:27 AM

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2:33 AM

Is there actually stuff in the bible about cats and dogs living together?

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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I don't know, but I hope so.

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6:37 AM

Quick question: Why do news headlines in the UK make such liberal use of all-caps text?

This is not something I normally encounter on non-UK news sources.

7:10 AM

Perhaps for the sake of visibility.

READ THIS

vs

Read This

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10:23 AM

@Mazura no, of course not.

20 hours ago, by RegDwigнt

There are singular thems in the Bible. But no cats and dogs living together.

See.

That's why we go over this stuff.

@terdon Also, you don't have to tell him where you got the examples from. Just list the Shakespeare/Shaw/Chaucer quotes and pretend you compiled them all yourself.

10:41 AM

That would be a form of intellectual dishonesty.

@RegDwigнt True

:(

@Rigor fighting fire with fire.

Burning the whole world.

You can only beat a moron by getting down to their level and out-moroning them.

Oh wait, in that last sentence I just used a feature of the English language that the English language does not have.

10:49 AM

But they will always have more experience than you.

Anyway, the thing is, what are they going to say? They either say nothing, because they don't use Wikipedia, or they'll say "wait a minute, you got these off of Wikipedia!" and then you've got them by the balls because apparently they use something they tell everyone else not to.

@Rigor if a moron has more experience than you, then what does that say about you?

It says I'm a moron.

Getting experience at playing the piano is hard. But getting experience at being a moron is trivial. If you can't pull it off, don't expect any commiseration from me.

It is as trivial as expecting a fish to climb a tree.

Exactly!

It is extremely trivial to expect a fish to do that.

It is not trivial at all for a fish to actually do that. But expecting it is very, very easy.

You can wake me up in the middle of the night, and I would be able to expect it at the moment's notice.

11:02 AM

"then what does that say about you?"

:-)

It says about me that I have skills.

@Cerberus: What do you think of this answer, and have you ever used TASKER?

Or Tasker.

@RegDwigнt Where's my royalty check?

@Robusto I'm ready to tell you my secret now: I see dead spots.

@Robusto I followed Brian Griffin's advice on where to stick it first.

@RegDwigнt That was a secret to nobody.

@RegDwigнt That was a secret to nobody, either.

Exactly. Which is why the twist at the very end will be all the more unexpected.

11:17 AM

What's the twist at the end of the where-to-stick-it thing? You self-sodomize?

(Again.)

It wouldn't be a twist at the end if it weren't at the end.

Your journey has not yet begun. You're not even a padawan, much less young.

It would be annoying as all get-out, nevertheless.

Your life could be so much richer if only you would move to Bangalore.

My life could be so much richer if wishes were fishes.

Like literally, I could swim in roubles all day.

You could hire dacoits and thugs to do your dirty work, and it would only cost around 9000 roubles a day. That's, like, 4.5 euros.

Your punctuation is, peculiar.

Where do I subscribe to your newsletter?

11:21 AM

Did you mean "Where do I, subscribe to your, newsletter"?

How would I know. It is never possible to tell what I meant.

You eurotrash should have named your currency the euron. Then we would have a suitable rhyme for neuron.

NOEU

You amitrash should have named your President the Obama. Then we would have a suitable rhyme for the Osama.

Oh wait.

Stop trying to make this about Obama.

I thought they didn't allow Republicans in Europe.

I never try. I do or do not. Mostly the latter.

11:23 AM

For the choice of a website appearance (colors, font, ...) would you rather use the word template or theme?

Theme.

You could also call it chrome. Which is where Google got the name of their browser.

thanks

I would use the word Gorbachov. But that's just me.

Learn to transliterate. Yesterday you transliterated Khrushchev in some ungodly way, you utter commie.

@Robusto er. Chrome is the thing around the website. I.e. the browser GUI. That is where they got the name of their browser.

11:26 AM

@RegDwigнt Well, it's clear that you haven't been around web designers much. The look of a site is often called the site's chrome. QED.

At least here in America.

@Robusto ю мин лайк зис? Ноу проблем!

Better, but you still don't scare me. Work on it.

@Robusto which has nothing to do with where Chrome got its name from.

@RegDwigнt You don't know that. Did you poll the people who named it that? I didn't think so.

From now on, we can blame all of our disagreements on @Mitch, btw.

@Robusto no, but I read an article once.

If we poll the people who named it that, we'd be both wrong, you know.

11:29 AM

@RegDwigнt Which one? A, an, or the?

> Glen Murphy, Design Lead, Google Chrome.
We had a ‘pick a codename’ vote early in the development cycle – the names that came of that competition were so terrible that we were all pretty happy when one of the leads overrode it and declared that the codename would be ‘Chrome’, presumably because he likes fast cars. When it came time to pick a real name for the product for shipping, we stuck with ‘Chrome'.

@RegDwigнt Again, @Mitch's fault.

It's clear that you haven't been around fast cars much.

@RegDwigнt "presumably because he likes fast cars" . . . yeah, that'll stand up in court as hearsay evidence.

Go be around your web developers some more, you loser.

11:30 AM

"One of the leads" . . . "presumably" . . . ah, your logic is air tight.

You're ready to write the Wikipedia page on this.

@Robusto as much as I'd like to take him to court, I'm not paying the horrendous price tags you put on that in your false pretence of a country.

NOEU

> Also, I personally like it because of its relation to ‘chroma’ and ‘chromatic’ – I love the cacophony of colors that those words imply, and how that relates to the beautiful range of design across the web.

Yes. That goes straight onto Wikipedia.

This is gold, Jerry.

Thank you for the tip.

New question aimed at the MC: When did "beat around the bush" acquire a sexual connotation?

Certainly not anywhere during Barbara Bush was a thing.

11:33 AM

Kinda missing a word there.

Hint: it's a time expression.

The rouble is the new Eurotrash.

I hope you saved those old Douchemarks you were talking about.

user116848

Urban dictionary says: Error 503 Connection timed out.

user116848

Maybe just here.

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I'll wait.

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Definitions there are pretty funny.

What does that have to do with roubles or chromes?

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11:38 AM

Nothing.

What the hell?

I just hit the wrong button.

-2

A: Synonym of bad effect or bad situation - one word

what is the correct anwer to question to lungs

My stupid finger flagged that as offensive!

It deserved a flag but not that one. I'm sorry.

Didn't need moderator intervention, just user notice.

Must. Make. Real. Coffee.

@tchrist It is arguably offensive.

Apparently my sleeping subconscious instinct thought as much.

Well, it offended me, if that's any consolation.

“Flags are just a way of making something someone else’s problem.’

Let’s just delete it and be done with it.

But without a not-an-answer flag, it won’t go the queue.

11:43 AM

lacks but a single vote

@Robusto I have a coin of every denomination from every year with every letter, of which there are five for each of the five German mints.

@RegDwigнt How about buttons? What have you got for buttons?

Why do German mints taste more like licorice than mint?

@Robusto I got an Xbox controller. It has several buttons all at once.

@tchrist And don't even get me started on German chocolate cake!

11:45 AM

Even triggers.

Not to mention sticks of joy.

@RegDwigнt Pfft. Xbox is so five years ago. PS4 ftw.

Pfft. PS4 is so Bloodborne. PS5 ftw.

PS4 is so The Last of Us: Remastered. FTW.

PS4 doesn't even have a 5 in its name. It couldn't suck more if it tried.

Bloodborne is the dumbest game I have ever downloaded for free. And that's saying something.

11:46 AM

Bloodborne is the dumbest game I have ever watched for free. And that's saying something.

I am including agar.io in that list.

I mean, it's a game with no strategy at all. It's not really different from shooting marbles, forever.

The lack of strategy is the strategy. Dude, why you not let your mind be blown by that.

Like, everyone does. What's wrong with you.

Have you ever taken Dark Souls and done a s/soul/blood/gi?

@tchrist I wouldn't know for I despise licorice even more than mint.

You now what they say about anise candy.

They say it rhymes with anus candy, and even that it does very poorly indeed?

You can’t tell which end it’s meant for.

11:53 AM

Anise? Anise? Who the fuck is Anise?

> Formal way of saying “blah blah blah”

Anephew’sister.

Good title.

The formal way of saying “blah blah blah” is “blah blah blah, sir”.

Haha, and now someone posts Lorem Ipsum as the answer.

Read the question, people!

@RegDwigнt No, it's pronounced "a nice candy."

Well. How is that a no? That is a glaring yes.

A nice candy rhymes with anus candy very, very poorly indeed.

@Robusto I haven't gone through the entire profile, but in general such a thing should work. I use Tasker extensively. Mr Shiny uses it too. However, if you have root, I think there exist superior solutions to this specific problem.

repo.xposed.info/module/ma.wanam.smartnetwork

This is a good one; I have used it (although for a slightly different purpose).

You need root access and Xposed installed.

(You should have that anyway: root opens up a world of possibilities.)

By the way, there are many functions in Tasker that you can only use if you have root access, so maybe you need root for this anyway.

12:25 PM

Yeah. Still weighing the implications of that.

Who's up for some lava rice? Woo-hoo!

12:36 PM

@tchrist Thinking of Gainsbourg?

> This new status as an avuncular svengali brought with it responsibility, which Gainsbourg soon fiendlishly squandered. Following up Gall's success, he provided another hit with Les Sucettes. "Annie loves lollipops …" Gall sang innocently, "when the candy stick with anise flavour goes down Annie's throat, she is in heaven." Despite

> being French, Gall clearly didn't know what a double entendre was; she was said to be devastated on finding she'd been duped by Gainsbourg, a man twice her age who probably should have known better.

1:17 PM

> is stuffed, / de world, wif feeding girls.

@Robusto I blame myself

An argument is not necessarily a disagreement.

Wait, that's wrong.

@Mitch In a proof, you are correct.

@terdon "Despite being French" a terrible burden to carry, a long metaphor to carry across.

@skillpatrol Of course I'm correct because I gave both sides, one where it is true and one where it is not.

You sly devil }:-)

Unless of course you doubt the excluded middle, or rather you doubt that there's no excluded middle. Then it becomes the known unknown, when if you didn't doubt it it was the unknown known.

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1:28 PM

@Mitch Hi Mitch. You talk in riddles sometimes :)

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Or at least it looks like that to me.

Looking for a good name for defining the different areas in an html page, like <nav></nav>, <content></content>, <footer></footer>... hesitating between components or regions or something else?

I like "region."

@Arrowfar How are a desk and a raven alike?

@skillpatrol thanks, it goes well with what I'm doing (a website drag-n-drop maker)

1:35 PM

@Arrowfar Hint: Edgar Allan Poe

You know the first answer given was 'there wasn't supposed to be an answer. I just picked two random things (Lewis Carrol)'

@Arrowfar Only sometimes? You mean there are times when you do understand him?

Oops, sorry wrong room :(

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@Mitch Because desk is a rest for pens and a raven is a pest for wrens ;-)

@Robusto You blame me for everything and you accuse me of being French? How dare you! Franchement! Penses-tu. Quelle fromage.

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1:39 PM

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> t remains pretty inconceivable to the political class in both parties that Bernie could actually be the nominee. As a top D.C. Republican likes to tell us: America will never elect as president someone who does not comb his hair.

Um, you think Obama combs his hair?

@Arrowfar haha...nice...I hadn't heard that one.

user116848

:D

The one I've heard is 'Poe wrote on both'

user116848

Ah.

1:39 PM

@Arrowfar Wrong. The canonical answer is: "I haven't the slightest idea."

@Mitch It is indeed. Apparently, it causes a certain level of existential angst.

user116848

@Robusto Yeah that too.

Apr 20 '11 at 18:52, by Robusto

Beeeeeep! Wrong answer! The correct answer is: "I haven't the slightest idea."

@Robusto I know. He has someone else do it.

I didn't know velcro was combable.

1:41 PM

you use a pick comb. you poke it in.

into the fro.

Does he really have a fro? he didn't get his mom's hair?

@Mitch That's when you have a fro. His hair is buzzed so close to his scalp I don't think it makes a difference.

@Robusto no that's when you have a fro. when I have a fro I brush it.

You have a fro, only not on your head.

I'm not sure what you are referring to. My fro garden was a secret (but not from the raccoons!)

Hillary Clinton had to ask aides what FUBAR meant.

Feel the Bern!

1:50 PM

It's a new soap for people with fro's. For Us. Buy Ar Stuff

That's racist.

2:08 PM

You're hairist

2:37 PM

No hirsutism in this chat.

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: One word for "bringing someone up to speed" by Fil on english.stackexchange.com

@Mitch who?

We can't have that.

2:55 PM

@Robusto I don't know what's worse, that in her capacity as an aspiring Commander in Chief she does not know what the word means, or that in her capacity as a 70-year old she has never heard of dictionaries.

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Like seriously, that's Sarah Palin levels of retarded right there.

@JohanLarsson Point a mirror at @Robusto and then look in the mirror. Well, point it half way between you and Robusto. That should get it.

How I Ended Up Purchasing & Owning Google.com via Google Domains

3:17 PM

@RegDwigнt I don't know how anyone can think she is the solution to anything. Who needs a humorless wonk in a pantsuit? I mean, the world already has Angela Merkel, right?

@Robusto today I read in the Spiegel that apparently there's been rumors for quite some time that Merkel will take over from Ban Ki Moon.

And then I was like, this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I don't read news or watch TV anymore.

@RegDwigнt That implies that Moon, you know, has duties and responsibilities and actually does stuff.

Nah can't be, if that would imply that, Merkel wouldn't be interested.

Well, when has anyone at the UN ever done anything?

And by "anything" I mean something that was not limited to talking.

@Mitch Point a mirror at me and I will point my laser right back at you. Wait, I don't think that's what I want.

You see, children, world's going to shits. No Nelson Mandela, but Merkel and Hillary. No James Brown, but Justin and Miley. No Philip Seymour Hoffman, but Channing.

It really was better in the olden days. Even my lawn was clearly better without you on it.

3:24 PM

Daraprim was a mere $13.50 a pill, not $750.

Yes. And you actually had a reason to carry a gun. And you could actually shoot at dipshits rather than typing OMG at them.

Good times.

Except . . . Cold War, Mutually Assured Destruction, Vietnam . . .

@Robusto Gaddafi did. And look what happened to him.

@Robusto God damn you, everything's a fuckin' travesty with you, man! What is all that shit about Vietnam? What the fuck has anything got to do with Vietnam? What the fuck are you talking about?

You want a toe? Hell, I can get you a toe by three o'clock.

Excuse me, sir. Could you please keep your voice down? This is a family restaurant.

3:30 PM

For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint!

Phone's ringin, dude.

Them's good burgers.

I myself dabbled in pacifism once.

Obviously you're not a golfer.

Life does not stop and start at your convenience, you miserable piece of shit.

3:34 PM

No, without a hostage, there is no ransom. That's what ransom is. Those are the fucking rules.

Vi don't care. Vi still vant ze money.

That rug really tied the room together, did it not?

Donny, please.

Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron.

Fuck it, dude. Let's go bowlin.

3:39 PM

What are you, a fucking park ranger now?

user116848

This is amusing:

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It is also old.

user116848

The second person seems very patient, heh.

user116848

I see. First time I saw it :)

3:46 PM

The second person seems very fake.

So does the first person.

But if this conversation did happen in reality, or rather whenever it does, it's just a couple seconds.

Patience for just a couple seconds is no patience!

waits

Especially if you get to entertain yourself by trolling back trolls.

Anyway.

Gotta mute communists.

Communists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.

user116848

See ya.

It seems like people go to a lot of trouble to make up things like that messaging conversation. And for what? permanent celebrity?

@RegDwigнt Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.

@RegDwigнt I'm sorry if your stepmother is a nympho, but I don't see what it has to do with—do you have any Kahlúa?

4:05 PM

@Mazura If by bible you mean this:

also, you can't mix linen and wool. Goes without saying of course, that's just nasty.

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Q: I want to be a writer but can I?

I'm 16 years old and I've wrote about 4 to 5 different books. I have two that I think would be good enough for the public to read. I've been writing stories since I was 10. I want to be published but can I this young? What publisher would publish my book? Please help me.

Member since today.

I wouldn't start with the New Yorker. The people they get for their weekly short stories are like the biggest names from literature 30 years ago. Louise Erdrich, Salmon Rushdie, that other guy who is probably dead. All I'm saying is that if you want your short story in the New Yorker, write all your novels like 40 years ago, and maybe even die, and then it may still not get in.

Also, at that point it doesn't have to be that good. NY will print anything.

4:28 PM

That's one big Twinkie.

user116848

4:47 PM

By the way, where I live people say that almonds are good for memory. Do you guys believe in that? Thought I'd ask you guys.

user116848

I don't have any proof though.

user116848

I'll have to look into it.

I don't believe it.

I'd want to see proper research.

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Yeah.

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Mostly I heard it from my grandparents etc. I mean aged people here believe it.

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4:56 PM

Dunno.

5:11 PM

scary

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Holy Moley!

5:30 PM

@JohanLarsson like this

Why wikipedia really doesn't want to have ads? I wouldn't mind

ew, can't watch it

Even if almonds are good for memory, we mustn't forget that it takes a gallon of water to make a single almond.

@JohanLarsson Me either.

neither?

I stand by what I said.

ok, just checking

5:37 PM

"Me neither" is itself colloquial. And sometimes I use that for effect.

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@JohanLarsson It is variant of "neither".

> colloquial

Well, a variant the way safe is a variant of dangerous.

imo

did not google it

expecting to only hear it ~one more time in my life

5:58 PM

What is the opposite of "colloquial", that is to say a slang way to say something formal?

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Q: What is the difference between "me neither" and "me either"?

I want to know the difference between "me neither" and "me either", are both correct?

> In colloquial spoken language some people use me neither in place of neither do I.

Nice answer, I should reg an account to upvote it

Must become unstuck with a thing first

@JohanLarsson Perfect for ELL folks. My mileage varies.

The thing is, most ELL folks don't speak English well enough to use "me either" or "me neither" in the right contexts and applications.

So those people are told to avoid it, which is wise. But if they ever do get good enough they will have to learn that stuff.

The government effected change through its policy of taxation it should be changes? no?

unless change is uncoutable

@crl It's fine. Change is both countable and uncountable, depending.

6:14 PM

ok

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7:17 PM

@Robusto me either

wait.. there's a difference?

Me not neither.

@Arrowfar any kind of diet claim for mental faculties is a load of horseshit unless backed by a controlled trial. and even then.

But almonds taste good. so there's that.

@crl opposite? colloquial = informal so the opposite of that is formal. do you want a an informal way to say colloquial? or a slangy way (extremely informal) or what?

@skillpatrol you mean 'Not I ... uh... neither'

Neither either nor neither is realer than the ether used to be :-)

ether is real. until you pass out from sniffing too much

Ooops I meant aether.

Luminiferous aether

7:26 PM

@Mitch Me neither is literally the exact opposite of me either. But they mean the same thing. That's the beauty of English.

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Q: If the prefix milli- means 1E-3, why does "million" mean 1E6?

Is there a reason million diverges from the metric system convention?

@Robusto that's not beauty. that's messed up.

Because IE3 had only a thousand bugs, but by the time Microsoft rolled around IE6 there were millions.

@Mitch You're taking this all too hard.

hangs head

holy crap the floor is even worse. _closes eyes

And thanks for tweening me. You were not incorrectly blamed in meta, you know.

The exact opposite means the same thing?

7:29 PM

Sometimes it's hard to see that there's a sequence coming. Even in hindsight

Of course. Cf. flammable vs. inflammable.

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Q: Is this @Mitch's fault?

I know the review queue was recently brought up by Mitch. This can't be right, can it? The close-vote queue was dramatically reduced (at which point Mitch commented that we were doing a good job). Did Mitch jinx the site? If not, can someone explain what's going on? I don't really think @...

Answer: yes!

@Robusto Oh yeah. God damn you all.

That's like saying 5 and -5 have the same value.

They don't?

2 mins ago, by Robusto

@Mitch You're taking this all too hard.

7:30 PM

not hard enough I'd say.

@skillpatrol Well, they absolutely do have the same value.

But I'm not saying so... so maybe there's a point after all.

ha ha... absolutely

Infinity means the same as negative infinity?

actually...

If you're among friends, yes.

7:31 PM

(and when someone says actually it actually means duh!)

on the projective plane there's really a line at infinity, sort of an infinity of points at infinity where every direction matches up with its negative.

and all apostrophes are accounted for and conserved.

Keep it real please :-)

ha ha. math jokes!

Next comes what? Division by 0?

So three logicians walk into a bar. THe bartender says "Do all of you want a beer?".

The first one says "I don't know", the second "I don't know", the third one "Yes!"

@skillpatrol Oh about that. division by 0 in the complexes is also undefined because it corresponds to all those points on the line at infinity. Because every 'direction' goes through 0.

OK another math joke.

Why isn't 6 afraid of 7 in octal?

because seven ten eleven

wipes tears from eyes Wait wipes more tears from eyes

@Mitch I don't get the 3 logicians joke :-/

7:40 PM

finishes wiping tears from eyes What? Oh ha ha. it's hilarious.

suppose one of them doesn't want a beer. then that one would eventually say 'no'.

what's the other alternative?

oops, for the first case, before that person says 'no' do anybody else know what the answer to the question would be?

someone could have said 'no' but that would have been a boring joke.

2/3 Logicians can't think for themselves?

The first two can't know if all of them will want beers.

Not sure how mr3 can be so sure.

because he himself wants a beer. also, if the other guys did not want a beer they would have said no.

yeah, megaderp by me

I realized it after I typed it and turned off computer

Was embarrassed the whole ride home

OK here's another one:

What's the value of a contour integral around Western Europe? Zero because all the Poles are in Eastern Europe.

almost peed my pants

7:57 PM

that one is hard

Yeah I don't get it ether but I laugh so that people don't think I don't know how contour integrals work.

I'm pretty sure you got it. Not sure I ever did a contour integral.

Is it for calculating the circumference?

@Mitch a slangy way to say formal, yes

other than "wat?"

@Mitch would have been a solid star if posted as one message

8:46 PM

@crl high falutin'

hoity toity

fancy talk

Also, the bartender obviously gives them all beers.

@JohanLarsson um... tries not to look up on wikipedia it's the integral.. along... I think ... a contour. well an arbitrary curve bounding an area in space... or something. but topologically (that sounds like an appropriate word here)

@JohanLarsson All he did was ask them if they wanted beers. He's a mathematician too. Aska mathematician if they know what time it is. They'll answer yes, or no.

> How many members of a certain demographic group does it take to perform a specified task? A finite number: one to perform the task and the remainder to act in a manner stereotypical of the group in question.

9:41 PM

in C# on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by Mike Asdf

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more logic

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11:54 PM

@JohanLarsson Functions as designed

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