The Nineteenth Byte

Redwolf Programs

00:01

@cairdcoinheringaahing I've seen at least one +9/-9

@RedwolfPrograms That isn't that "wild" of a split, it's just controversial. Something like +1/-10 would be such a split

Redwolf Programs

Oh, so you mean like a ton of downvotes, but a few upvotes?

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Yeah, so that there's a net increase in rep, but the question has a heavily negative score

Redwolf Programs

Is there a way to get up/down vote breakdowns on SEDE?

caird coinheringaahing

00:20

@RedwolfPrograms No idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is

@RedwolfPrograms Is there a way to make the random question userscript filter on views?

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not without heavy modifications, but I can do that if you want.

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Nah, in that case don't worry about it

user

00:58

CMQ: Describe a language/environment that's barely a programming language/isn't even Turing complete as a wonderful programming language chock-full of awesome features.

E.g. Scratch is a language and IDE that is primarily used for game development. It is favored because of its simplicity and its robustness: one of the few times you'll have a runtime exception is when you divide by zero.

^ Okay, I lied a bit there

usr

@user Malbolge

user

@usr Describing Malbolge as a good language is going to be tough.

Neil

@user regex

caird coinheringaahing

This currently has a score of -5 with 8 views. That's bad

user

@Neil Regex is wonderful and chock-full of awesome features

Adám

01:06

@user HTML5 is barely a programming language, isn't even Turing complete, yet is a wonderful programming language, chock-full of awesome features.

user

How so?

Adám

@user How so, what?

Lyxal

@user b..but scratch is Turing complete

user

@Adám I was asking how it's a wonderful programming language

@Lyxal Yeah, but it's barely a programming language (that's probably a bit subjective, but you know what I mean)

caird coinheringaahing

@user It fills you with wonder. Like "I wonder what the hell the language creator was thinking when they did this?"

user

01:11

@cairdcoinheringaahing "I guess it wasn't a good idea doing this drunk at 2 in the morning" :P

Adám

@user I find it very effective at creating webpages. Sure, it has its quirks and it is unnecessarily verbose, but it is still quite good, and it has some really cool features.

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Honestly, though, it's not a terrible language (I like XML), but I just don't find it super useful

@Adám Are you also including CSS here?

Adám

Not super useful‽ I'd say that the vast majority of websites use it.

caird coinheringaahing

@user But it only uses normal ASCII characters, eww

Dec 27 '20 at 19:42, by caird coinheringaahing

Any language that doesn't use a custom code page scares me :P

Adám

@user No, then it'd be Turing complete.

user

01:14

@Adám I should add that I'm not a web developer :P I'm sure it's useful to other people, just not to me.

Adám

Right, if you don't do web development or CEF-based frontend work, then HTML is hardly useful.

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Q: Increment a number

Input One integer. The integer can be given in the natural format of your language of choice. It can from standard input, as an argument to the program of function, or wrapped in a list. Output The integer added by 1. Test cases: -56 -> -55 -1 -> 0 0 -> 1 34 -> 35 89 -> 90 99 -> 100

Redwolf Programs

@Adám I mean don't all websites use some form of HTML?

Some older ones might be designed to use 4.1, but I think browsers would still interpret them as HTML5

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01:35

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Subarrays With At Least N Distinct Integers code-golf restricted-complexity Given a sequence of integers and an integer N, output the number of contiguous subsequences that contain at least N distinct integers. Each integer in the sequence is non-negative and will not be larger than the size of ...

caird coinheringaahing

@JoKing For this question, could you undelete my comment recommending the Sandbox? I think the system auto deleted it when the question got closed

user202729

I know there's the autodeletion of "possible duplicate of..." comments but...

caird coinheringaahing

:57261954 If you comment "I've voted to close as a duplicate of X", or the "Does X answer your question" comment has been posted, it gets deleted when the question gets closed as a dupe of that as it's "no longer needed"

user202729

So your comment is "duplicate of X, please use the sandbox", sort of?

having too few trivial challenges means that there's no place to post answers in esoteric languages.

... actually it's still possible to post these on the "tips for golfing in X" posts.

Definitely something like divide two numbers is useful enough... if someone want to tackle these "hard" challenges.

caird coinheringaahing

@user202729 Can't remember exactly but it was something along the lines of "This is very trivial, so people won't like it. Voted to close as dupe of X. Recommend you use the Sandbox in the future"

Lyxal

02:02

@RedwolfPrograms i have a suggestion for the userscript: every click of the random button has a small but nonzero chance of rickrolling the clicker

rak1507

I also have a suggestion, don't do that

user202729

I'm not supposed to have that much free time...
I just feel that closing (some of) those questions are unfair.

Lyxal

@rak1507 i put a lot of effort into that suggestion (typing on a smartwatch isnt the easiest thing to do) ... you totally should do it because im more invested

rak1507

I put a lot of effort into my suggestion (typing via smoke signals isnt the easiest thing to do) ... you totally should do it because im more invested

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal Rickrolling's boring now, find something more creative, or rickroll is a more creative way

"[This](link) is the best <whatever>" "Haha, get rickrolled" is just lazy now

Lyxal

02:10

@rak1507 well at least im not someone who just changes a single word of someone elses post in an attempt to be funny /s

rak1507

well at least im not someone who just changes a single line of someone elses userscript code in an attempt to be funny /s

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing its not boring if you know theres a chance - its rickroll russian roulette

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@rak1507 you are bees

rak1507

the esolangs server is invading!

Lyxal

the apioforms are coming

@rak1507 first time? Welcome to the club

rak1507

you have a lot of rep though

Lyxal

02:20

The people I compare against have more

I've been overtaken 4 times

rak1507

yeah but it's hard to believe someone would be pretty close

Lyxal

As in 4 different people

Three out of four was at 5-7k

rak1507

ah

Lyxal

The most recent person I was comparing mine to is razetime

rak1507

well I have 350 worth of rep in bounties that I'll get soon, if I do more APL bounties that'll be more so I should inch ahead

Lyxal

02:22

I blame those bounties for all the overtakings

rak1507

lol

caird coinheringaahing

I compare my rep with the person directly ahead of me :P

rak1507

ideally I'd like to keep my average score per answer above 3 as well rather than just spamming low quality answers

Lyxal

@rak1507 same here

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Answer score is in no way a correlation of high quality answers

Lyxal

02:23

@rak1507 Quality over quantity. I respect that

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing considering my top 2 answers are also my 2 lowest quality answers, I agree, but in general I think the point still stands

caird coinheringaahing

My highest voted answers are basically all low hanging fruit answers. My best answers rarely get a score of 5

rak1507

yep

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm the opposite. My highest scoring answers are non-trivial

rak1507

4-5 vs lots seems like luck or something, but there is a difference in my mind between 0/1 or heaven forbid, negative, and 2-3

caird coinheringaahing

02:25

@cairdcoinheringaahing Currently, that's Optimizer, who is 590 ahead of me :P

rak1507

(basically I don't want to just spam trivial nonsense in 147 langs and hope that a few of them get an upvote or two)

Lyxal

Use scratch

People like scratch

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 The problem is that whenever I spam, I usually rep cap because of the spamming :/

rak1507

better to rep cap than not to rep at all

caird coinheringaahing

Getting +6 on 3 easy trivial answers is much easier than getting +18 on 1

rak1507

02:27

or to go further, getting +1 on 10 trivial answers is easier than getting +5 on 1

Lyxal

@rak1507 not necessarily

rak1507

depends how trivial

caird coinheringaahing

Here's an example (Posted 4 hours apart). In one corner: Avoiding Rivers at +1, which I'm really proud of. In another corner: Primes and Twin Primes at +5, a boring, easily understood answer to a trivial challenge

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing lies!

It's +2

Get it right

caird coinheringaahing

And I'm still convinced I can shave a byte off to get half the score of the CJam program

@Lyxal It was Right At The Time™ :P

Lyxal

02:29

Well I've noticed that you get more votes on new challenges than old challenges

rak1507

yep, codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/69187/… my longest APL answer and the highest effort one, vs codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/218544/… builtins go brrr

Lyxal

Which is why I rarely answer old questions

rak1507

true

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal Yeah, well, that's easy rep

rak1507

unfortunately most new challenges suck

caird coinheringaahing

02:30

I complain about upvotes going to poor answers of mine, but most of my favourite answers are to old questions :P

Lyxal

Sporeball's challenges are good

They usually bring in 70-80 rep

rak1507

their newest challenge was before I even joined the site lol

Lyxal

I've only ever had roughly 2 answers to old challenges get 5+

And only one of those two 10+

caird coinheringaahing

I got a +500 bounty on an answer to an old challenge :P

Lyxal

Let me guess...a best of award?

caird coinheringaahing

02:33

...perhaps

I broke even with the Best Ofs :P I awarded 2 and won 2 :P

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's unrelated string's unimplemented golfing language. You can't have used it for an answer.

rak1507

ooh, just noticed an interesting (maybe) property of my ID, time to make a challenge around it

oh, that would break my 'challenges only on codidact' principle :(

Lyxal

@rak1507 right shift once and it starts with a funny number

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 NGL I'm not a fan of the "Look at my userID challenges" :/

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing look at this user id. Every time I do it makes me laugh

caird coinheringaahing

02:36

Half of them come across as "Let's all pay attention to this user" and the other half as "Look at me, I'm interesting"

rak1507

@Lyxal no it doesn't, 95516 >> 1 is 47798

oh you mean rotate

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal Which user id?

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing that was a nickleback reference

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal Oh right, the "look at this photo" meme?

rak1507

@Lyxal boomer

caird coinheringaahing

02:41

Imagine listening to nickelback when you can instead listen to dimefront

Q: What's more impressive than outgolfing Dennis in Jelly? Outgolfing both Dennis and ais in Jelly :P

rak1507

outgolfing xnor in python is harder than outgolfing dennis in jelly change my mind

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Outgolfing Dennis is Python is harder than outgolfing xnor :P

rak1507

didn't know he did many python answers

caird coinheringaahing

He didn't, but when he did answer in Python, no one could come close :P

rak1507

fair enough, but xnor is more consistently unbeatable rather than finding a mathematical approach

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/92944/… this is the coolest answer I have ever seen

caird coinheringaahing

02:57

@cairdcoinheringaahing What's better than that? Outgolfing them by 2 bytes and more :P

rak1507

almost looks like the code says 'decrypt' which is quite apt for jelly

Jo King

03:23

@cairdcoinheringaahing done

caird coinheringaahing

03:40

@JoKing Thanks! While I have you, you wouldn’t happen to know the “procedure” behind tagging posts with faq-proposed and faq, would you? I know the latter is mod only, but I have my eye on a couple of posts I’d happily add faq-proposed to, I just don’t know if arbitrarily adding it is the appropriate thing to do

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08:08

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Q: Let's rise higher

Challenge The main objective of the challenge is pretty simple, this is an answer chaining contest, where you have to serially print numbers from 1. That means User 1's answer will print 1, then User 2's answer will print 2 and so on. But there are some rules to make the contest tougher. Rules Y...

number restricted-source answer-chaining

rene

09:19

@RedwolfPrograms here you go: data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/1382443?UserId=79857

@Bubbler It is T-SQL. it is mentioned in the last page of the SEDE tutorial: data.stackexchange.com/tutorial/next-steps

user

13:11

@cairdcoinheringaahing For a while, my top scoring answers were in languages I never use - a builtin from Mathematica, a cheating Unary answer, a tip for golfing in Pip copied from the docs. It’s not fair :(

This trivial answer got 8 votes while my smartest APL answer got only 4 (which isn’t bad, but it should have been the other way around )

Razetime

13:34

@cairdcoinheringaahing fastest gun babyyy

rak1507

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/220340/lets-rise-higher am I wrong or could this challenge just go non unicode, unicode, non unicode....

Razetime

@rak1507 this challenge is not terribly hard

yeah it can I think

rak1507

lmao well that's fun

Razetime

the restriction is only based on the immediate previous answer so it's just who camps the thread the most for 30 days

rak1507

yeah

could honestly probably automate it

Razetime

13:40

if you automate it I'll give a +100

wait

before that, let's check if there's any rules against it

rak1507

13:56

hmm I don't think there's any reason someone couldn't put the entirety of unicode in a string in their answer and just kill the challenge

oh well bc it can't use something in the previous answer I guess

which also means that there's no way of blocking someone from being able to automate the same trivial solution with some modification...

rene

14:08

@rak1507 use [User Link] as the column label: data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/1382576 see also data.stackexchange.com/help#magic-columns

rak1507

thanks!

caird coinheringaahing

15:42

@Razetime That's a problem with a lot of answer-chaining challenges unfortunately

caird coinheringaahing

16:09

CMM: Thoughts on actually doing this?

ngn

@cairdcoinheringaahing good idea

Anush

hi all

ngn

hi @Anush

Redwolf Programs

17:19

@rene Thanks!

@cairdcoinheringaahing We should definitely do that. I don't see any reasons not to, and it's way easier to link to that then to have to link to 10 different meta posts with sandbox, things to avoid, loopholes, etc.

ChartZ Belatedly

22:58

@RedwolfPrograms First draft. Thoughts?

rak1507

mentioning golfscript and cjam in 2021?!

ChartZ Belatedly

@rak1507 They're a part of golfing history :P

Redwolf Programs

> For more questions about asking, check out the "How to Answer" help pages

rak1507

This is for golfing future not golfing history

ChartZ Belatedly

Exactly :P

Redwolf Programs

23:00

Seems like asking should be answering or the other way around

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms Yeah, corrected :P

Redwolf Programs

Wait, did you change your name/profile picture?

ChartZ Belatedly

Perhaps :P

Redwolf Programs

I guess this will need to be updated :p

Oh it's another username from that list :p

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms Where do you think I got ChartZ Belatedly from? :P

Redwolf Programs

23:04

Dude coinheringaahing would've been pretty cool too :p

With reerects bespangling aachen being a good choice for sure :p

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms That's my nickname on the CGCC discord :P

First draft on a welcome page for new users. Don't hesitate to ping me with any feedback

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Bubbler

Any feedback to this and this?

ChartZ Belatedly

Can we get a couple of stars for ^^, promote visibility?

Redwolf Programs

@ChartZBelatedly I might be missing something, but a section on asking would also be important, right?

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms There are 3 pages/posts/parts of it, so far. Scroll down

Redwolf Programs

23:09

Ah, didn't see that :p

ChartZ Belatedly

Still working on the "Everything else" section :P

Bubbler

Stupid firewall blocks gist.github.com, so I have to hack it with /raw url every time

and the raw page doesn't show me the three parts...

ChartZ Belatedly

@Bubbler The first one looks good, reading the second

Redwolf Programs

> If you've gone 2 days without any further feedback from commenters, it's likely to be clear enough to be posted. This assumes you've been reguarly asking for feedback.

I think this part needs a warning about assuming feedback has been addressed (or assuming it's good after a small amount of time, without asking for additional feedback)

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms Good point, I meant to add in a bullet point about that

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23:28

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Q: Akka actor need help please asap

Create 3 Akka Actor classes call "Producer", "Supervisor" and "Worker". The "Producer" will generate 1000 random long integer numbers between 10000 and 100000. The "Producer" will send each number as a message to "Supervisor". At start-up, the Supervisor will create 10 "Worker" Actors. When the "...

code-challenge fastest-code java programming-puzzle functional-programming

Redwolf Programs

We should definitely add a warning to programming-puzzle if we add tag warnings

ChartZ Belatedly

100%

Bubbler

10000%

ChartZ Belatedly

That and popularity-contest

Redwolf Programs

Probably showcase too, since that one's only meant for one challenge

Maybe we should compile a list somewhere

Is it just me or are there way more of these questions than even a month or two ago?

ChartZ Belatedly

23:32

Maybe if we got confirmation from SE that they'll actually add warnings, making a meta post would be good. Otherwise, it's just words in the wind

@RedwolfPrograms Seems so, but I'm not sure of the actual stats

Redwolf Programs

I'm going to make a graph of negatively voted and/or closed questions over time

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms It won't catch deleted questions tho

Redwolf Programs

Probably not, although there is a deletiondate column in SEDE which is interesting

Maybe you need to be 10k+ to use it though

Bubbler

SEDE data is open to everyone I think

Redwolf Programs

It appears you can see deleted posts with SEDE, but only id and deletion date (and maybe a few other things)

ChartZ Belatedly

23:42

Yeah, you can't actually see the post

Bubbler

At least you can see anything that appears on the table

Redwolf Programs

You can see the score when it was deleted though

So that's useful

Bubbler

Are tags and content removed from the table when a post is deleted?

(content = body)

Redwolf Programs

Tags are visible, no body though

Bubbler

OK, that makes sense

Redwolf Programs

23:44

Odd that you can see tags and score but no title

Bubbler

At least we can collect which tags have high chance to get the post deleted

Redwolf Programs

I will never understand SQL joins...

Okay, here's my query to get all of the important information about every question posted on the site: data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/revision/1382754/1700815

I'll download it and look for tags that are particularly likely to result in closed/deleted/downvoted challenges

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