The Nineteenth Byte

3:05 AM

CMQ: Can I explicitly reference Python's function class without getting the type of a pre-existing function? E.g. fn = lambda x: None; print(type(fn)) outputs <class 'function'> --> that's the class I want to use.

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal So something like print(type(id)) isn't allowed? I don't think so

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing as in I want to compare it to the types of other objects. E.g. type(argument) is function

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal type(argument) == type(id) I think

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing you mean the lowest voted over the last 30 days?

@cairdcoinheringaahing except the arguments may not be built-in functions

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal No, the posts with deletion votes

Lyxal

3:09 AM

Erm, I'm not seeing any questions there.

I only saw one

caird coinheringaahing

HN got to them before you could :P

Take a look at the Recently Deleted section

Lyxal

But only one question has been deleted since you asked though

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal 1 question and 1 answer

And this one has recently popped up

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing lel I already VTD'd that

HyperNeutrino

3:44 AM

yeah i already yeeted them lol

Razetime

@cairdcoinheringaahing where's that userscript hosted?

@cairdcoinheringaahing where exactly?

oh the queues

Redwolf Programs

4:40 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing I made it, yeah. Any issues with it?

@Razetime If you mean the Random Question script, here (v1.2, I think that's up to date)

Razetime

4:58 AM

thankuuu

so the random button is only on the homepage?

Redwolf Programs

5:16 AM

@Razetime Yes, although I can make a version where it's somewhere else if you want

Any feedback on Answers made up of other answers?

Lyxal

5:42 AM

MFW iterating over things like maps etc exhaust the iterable meaning that further calls of list don't show anything.

:(

@RedwolfPrograms instead of linking to the meta post, just explicitly state that the answer has to specify which outputs are truthy and which are truthyn't

Also, you'd want to make the initial answers available pool wide enough to support 90% of languages.

Both practical and eso

Redwolf Programs

Oh, good point. Also I now will use truthyn't rather than falsy for the rest of my life

I don't want to make the initial answer pool to wide, so that it doesn't become trivial to use it for every iteration

Lyxal

If I can't make def, lambda or print somehow, then I ain't able to use python

and if I can't make curly brackets, then I probably ain't able to use C (and it's family)/Java/etc

Redwolf Programs

I'll definitely include common print statements, as well as some whitespace and parentheses/brackets

Lyxal

Suggested title: Cut down on byte waste (because you're recycling the previous answers)

Or something about recycling/reuse

Redwolf Programs

Oh, that's a good idea

Lyxal

5:50 AM

Like Originality is overrated. Reuse bytes instead

If you can't already tell, I'm absolutely great with names

\s

Here's my best and final challenge title idea: Lyxal suggested this challenge title in TNB chat

Redwolf Programs

All good suggestions, I'll keep them in mind!

Except maybe the last one

Lyxal

aww

Redwolf Programs

I don't want to waste the world's greatest name on a simple challenge like this

Lyxal

good save

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Anush

Hi all

Lyxal

6:04 AM

Howdy

HyperNeutrino

hello there

Redwolf Programs

Hi!

Razetime

@RedwolfPrograms sidebar makes a lot of sense

I can keep clicking the random button till I find a good question

Redwolf Programs

I'll work on that, should have it finished in about 20m

Razetime

that way it won't disappear

I can probably mod it to do that

@RedwolfPrograms oo great

Redwolf Programs

6:12 AM

I'll add a choice between three locations

Razetime

alright

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6:31 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Implement ASCII -> GSM-7 (SMS) text packing SMS messages can store 160 ASCII characters into 140 characters. It does this by chopping off the top bit from each byte and packing them together. The simplified steps: Convert the string to binary little endian ASCII. Remove the top bit from each byt...

Redwolf Programs

6:46 AM

@Razetime Random Question S-1.3

Razetime

WOOOO

@RedwolfPrograms This is the first question I got XD

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Q: Suggest me a challenge!

I am too bored and want a challenge to solve. But I do not see any interesting challenges, and I am too lazy to search for one. Can you (Well, technically your code) suggest me one? I/O Input: None. Output: A link to a random open(i.e. non-closed) challenge("Challenge" excludes tips!) on PPC...

Redwolf Programs

loooool how

Razetime

I have no clue

but that is one of the best coincidences I have ever seen

~~or your script is sentient~~

Lyxal

7:37 AM

@Razetime clearly it's sentient

Redwolf Programs

Probably an ES6 thing

Gotta remember to call Object.disableSentience next time...

HyperNeutrino

7:49 AM

@RedwolfPrograms have you tried using jquery instead?

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Lyxal

8:00 AM

@RedwolfPrograms kids these days with their gosh-dang Markov chains, creating sentience willy-nilly without consideration of the fact that we could all die as a result. SMH.

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fomin

9:34 AM

Hi. Very sad codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/216902/… has been closed. Shall I just change it to ask for a function with a list/array/vector of all the strings in it?

Razetime

@fomin the main thing about publishing problems on this site

is that it needs to be very specific and exact

so first, the output should be one specific thing

In this case It would make sense to print out all strings generated

secondly

what are you measuring time with

Anush

10:06 AM

Printing out all the strings seems worse than making a function that returns a list/array doesn't it?

Razetime

11:08 AM

idk that's for the asker to decide

I don't write fastest code challenges

Adám

Yeah, it is too much work to judge them.

ASCII-only

11:33 AM

@Anush there are better solutions, like requiring a checksum without the string being hardcoded

fomin

11:46 AM

I have edited the question. If anyone is happy with it please vote to reopen. Otherwise let me know what I can do.

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Anush

@ASCII-only I was thinking you could ask for an integer n as an argument and it has to print out the nth string. That certainly can't be hardcoded. I didn't think the checksum idea works because of duplicates

I would vote to reopen but I am not important enough

@Razetime but do you answer them :) ?

Razetime

12:06 PM

@Anush no lol

I am not yet good at optimization

Anush

12:26 PM

@Razetime I think at this point he/she would be very happy with just having the question reopened :)

caird coinheringaahing

12:46 PM

@RedwolfPrograms I was wondering if there’s a way to exclude closed questions from being chosen?

ASCII-only

1:03 PM

@Anush hmm... either way, it seems pretty small for differences in speed to be measurable anyway

ASCII-only

1:13 PM

hecking heck why do i keep getting secret hats

Anush

1:40 PM

@ASCII-only true. It's tough round here! Instead of reopening someone downvoted it

Redwolf Programs

2:07 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, there are three or four criteria you can filter by. By default it just picks any non-negatively voted questions.

Oh never mind I didn't see "closed"

Not at the moment, no. I can add a filter, I guess.

Redwolf Programs

2:20 PM

I don't think you can filter closed questions in the API, so there are two options:
1. Pick a question, each with an even weight, then try again if it's closed (uses up quota faster)
2. Pick a random page of questions, then pick a random non-closed question from it (will give some questions higher chances of being picked than others)
The current quota is 150 random questions per day, option 1 will decrease it to around 130 (though picking a random _closed_ question would decrease it to around 20).

I think I'll go with option 1 because even a quota of 120 would only be used up if you spent an hour per day looking at random questions, and that's if you clicked it every 30s.

Random Question 1.4 (Random Question S-1.4)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Guess I'll have to up my answering speed then :P

Thanks!

@Anush Keep in mind that not everyone agrees with your views. I think it's a good question, but it isn't yet ready to be reopened

Redwolf Programs

2:37 PM

Oh, to anyone who's updating to 1.4, the filterClosed rule is true by default. You can disable it by changing line 18 to false if you want.

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Anush

@cairdcoinheringaahing what can be done to make it more ready to be reopened?

caird coinheringaahing

@Anush I'm writing up a draft which I think should address most of the issues and still preserve the OP's intent (as I read it), I'll drop it in a comment when I'm done

Anush

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's really great!

You a ccgc angel :)

caird coinheringaahing

3:21 PM

Any feedback?

caird coinheringaahing

4:13 PM

@RedwolfPrograms Not sure if its an issue on my end, but the Random Question button isn't appearing anymore after I upgraded to 1.4?

Razetime

4:28 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing should be on the sidebar

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime ...yep, there it is :/

Redwolf Programs

Did you download 1.4 or S-1.4

Unless I mixed up the download links 1.4 should have the same button location

caird coinheringaahing

I think S-1.4, but it's "fixed" now (read: I was pointed to where it is)

Redwolf Programs

If you prefer the old one you should be able to switch back (or download both :p)

In future versions I'll just make it an option rather than have two versions

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6:27 PM

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Who

7:04 PM

esolangs.org/wiki/TaiDoKu

thinking of using this to solve challenges

which is probably a terrible idea and also futile

interestingly one of the meta operations generates a random tile

which is theortecally useful for the two smokey challenges

fomin

hi @cairdcoinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing are you still about?

Who

big emphasis on however the fuck i spelled theoretically

the 4chan (stinky!!!) challenge seems simple, but i might have to do base conversion

fomin

@cairdcoinheringaahing I applied your fix except I chose 5 strings instead of 30 in case I have to enter them into the code by hand.

Who

even if i don't, doing anything in taidoku seems like a nightmare

fomin

if anyone who can could vote to reopen codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/216902/… I would be very grateful

thank you to whoever voted to reopen

caird coinheringaahing

7:17 PM

@fomin I am now :P

fomin

@cairdcoinheringaahing hello! :)

caird coinheringaahing

@fomin Yeah, that's not a big issue in my view. I chose 30 because that seemed reasonable to me, but you are the one whose actually testing the programs :P

fomin

@cairdcoinheringaahing cool, thanks. Now I am just hoping the question will be reopened.

the point about the question is that it is surprisingly subtle/tricky to get it to go fast

which hopefully will eventually become clear :)

caird coinheringaahing

@fomin Well, I've cast a VTRO, so it should come up in the review queues for others to make a call

fomin

thanks so much

@cairdcoinheringaahing might you try answering the question yourself?

caird coinheringaahing

7:20 PM

@fomin Np. In the future, if you want to avoid all this, I'd recommend using the Sandbox (especially for non-code-golf challenges)

fomin

@cairdcoinheringaahing thanks. Sounds like a good idea. I guess I worry it might take months to get feedback from the sandbox

caird coinheringaahing

@fomin Probably not, fastest code isn't my forte. I usually stick to code-golf math

fomin

the chat room needs its own sandbox :)

@cairdcoinheringaahing you could win just by entering :)

it is quite mathy in the end

caird coinheringaahing

@fomin We have a bot that posts new Sandbox posts into the chat room, and a lot of users regularly check the active ones. My proposals generally don't stay there longer than 2 weeks, unless they're much more complicated than normal

fomin

@cairdcoinheringaahing ok that sounds good.

can you remember how to find out who has the most points from fastest-code answers?

I remember there was a nice table you could make

caird coinheringaahing

7:24 PM

Looks like it's Anders

fomin

he is very good

a lot of those people don't seem to be here any more

the last 30 days column is also completely empty!

I need to pose more fastest-code challenges! It looks like you hardly have any any more

there used to be more

caird coinheringaahing

@fomin Yeah, around Nov 2019, a very popular user/moderator across the site was "fired", which many users objected to. 3/4 of our mod team stepped down, a lot of users suspended activity etc. full story

fomin

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes I heard. I don't know where they went

are they being slowly replaced?

caird coinheringaahing

@fomin It'll be nice to have some non-code-golf challenges around here :P

fomin

I can make them as fast as people here can answer them :)

caird coinheringaahing

7:28 PM

@fomin We had an election for new mods a few months ago, and most other users who suspended activity just left and got on with their lives. We've had a steady income of new users since then tho

fomin

who are the new mods?

caird coinheringaahing

codegolf.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators

fomin

thanks. Is 4 a normal number?

as in did we have more before?

@HyperNeutrino I didn't know you were a mod :)

caird coinheringaahing

For a community of this size, I think so. We've had 5 before, and I think we had 3 when we first began

fomin

cool. Maybe I will add a bounty when the time comes to attract more attention too

caird coinheringaahing

7:32 PM

Plus a lot of the higher rep users make an effort to moderate when/what they can (VTC/VTRO/VTD, flagging etc.)

fomin

ah interesting. Yes I guess the people who can vote to reopen are not all mods either

caird coinheringaahing

Anyone with 3000 or more rep can

fomin

aha. I just need to get there with fastest-code questions :)

one thing I noticed is that people seem to forget the answers are judged per language

so they don't want to answer as they don't know C

I am not sure how to address that

caird coinheringaahing

I don't think you really do have to address that. We've more or less moved away from challenges being actual competitions, and so most people will make an attempt to answer a question they find interesting/something they want to try

fomin

ah ok. So you are not put off fastest-code because your favourite language is slower?

caird coinheringaahing

7:36 PM

@fomin No, I personally don't answer fastest-code because I don't really get the methods of speeding up code

fomin

ah ok

what are your favourite langauges?

caird coinheringaahing

I usually use Jelly or Python (or my own languages), none of which are fast :P

fomin

I know python :)

it's fast to write the code!

HyperNeutrino

which is why imo it's really good for aoc

fomin

aoc?

advent of code!

caird coinheringaahing

7:38 PM

A US politician :P

fomin

ah yes :)

I tried to speed up my python code with cython.. only to realise really quickly I hardly know any C so had to give up.

@HyperNeutrino do you know C?

HyperNeutrino

a bit of c++

not a lot, but enough to kinda do things

fomin

c++ scares me

caird coinheringaahing

Any language that doesn't use a custom code page scares me :P

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fomin

@cairdcoinheringaahing :) I hardly know that that means! Could you explain?

caird coinheringaahing

7:44 PM

@fomin Golfing languages like Jelly, 05AB1E, Husk etc. often use custom code pages to encode their programs

fomin

aha! :)

@HyperNeutrino I am currently sitting hoping for my question to be reopened. It's slow and nerve wracking

Adám

@fomin Are you in a rush?

fomin

@Adám sort of. I mean eventually it will be 2021 and I will have to do other things

Who

esolangs.org/wiki/TaiDoKu

fomin

it's great there are people in the chatroom. It has been quite dead before

Who

7:48 PM

how do you do anything in this

Adám

@fomin Right, a downside of fastest-code is that the work load on OP is very high.

fomin

@Adám yes. I don't mind but I would like to start that work now

so I have ask very kind people to reopen the question first....please

caird coinheringaahing

@fomin It usually takes a couple of hours minimum to get 5 votes either way

Adám

@fomin I get it. For the future, I'd estimate at least one week's lead-time for a challenge.

fomin

@cairdcoinheringaahing thanks

@Adám that's a useful estimate. Thank you.

I'll go and watch TV and come back later

fomin

8:37 PM

Thanks very much reopeners!

Now hoping someone will answer in Julia

caird coinheringaahing

I just realised my answer-chaining question finally finished, so I should probably go find out who won that :/

caird coinheringaahing

9:29 PM

@pppery Do you mind which of your answers I accept on the "quickly! group together" challenge?

Lyxal

Morning everyone!

caird coinheringaahing

9:45 PM

2 minutes 29 seconds might be my fastest time answering :D

Lyxal

Mines 0 seconds

Because I sandbox sniped an answer lel

3 answers to be exact

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal Actually, counting self-answering, mine's also 0 :P

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caird coinheringaahing

Nah the adrenaline rush when I answer a new question's the only reason I'm still on this site :P

Lyxal

10:57 PM

It seems everyone likes it when my answers have high byte counts rather than low byte counts.

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Which means for me to win rep, I have to lose

#code-golf-problems

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