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dot_Sp0T

12:57 AM

Hello, is this the main site room?

Journeyman Geek

Yes

dot_Sp0T

my googlefoo is failing me, and it's 2AM here and i was just hoping to get some linuxhelp/advise - is it still a good time?

Also how are you doing @JourneymanGeek?

Journeyman Geek

aight.

Ground rules here are its fine to complain, and ask general stuff, but the moment it starts turning into a question or is a Q&A pair, it gets asked on the site ;p

but that out of the way, carry on

dot_Sp0T

I am trying to find out if there is a way to display the contents of a dynamic motd after the usershell has loaded, e.g. doing whatever sshd does together with pam_motd myself

I love the clippy plugin

Journeyman Geek

ah um

dot_Sp0T

1:09 AM

Also I can try typing that out as a question, but I'm at a stage where I am not even sure what to look for - so there might well be questions & solutions I simply can't find with my jargon

Journeyman Geek

I'm half certain that's part of the login script

naw, I think we're good

dot_Sp0T

as far as I understand it it's part of the stuff PAM does

Journeyman Geek

ooh cute

ls

look in /etc/update-motd

Its run by manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/en/man5/update-motd.5.html

via askubuntu.com/questions/23246/how-do-i-edit-the-ssh-motd

I searched for the keywords ubuntu motd edit, since if you need to edit it, you need to know where it is

dot_Sp0T

gimme a sec

my bad, shoulda said debian stretch somewhen during my whailing

Journeyman Geek

ah alas

Its probably a static text file somewhere

dot_Sp0T

1:19 AM

modern pam_motd does mostly copy the behaviour of the ubunut pkg you mention as far as I understand in the meanwhile, but what I can't fathom is whatever it's using to put together the runparts in the /etc/update-motd.d folder and outputting it :/

oh wait run-parts is a tool actually

Journeyman Geek

wiki.debian.org/motd

dot_Sp0T

nvm solved it

Journeyman Geek

quack

now work it out, and post a QA pair for the next poor sod with the same problem ;)

dot_Sp0T

can just run: run-parts /etc/update-motd.d to get the outputs properly... will do a pair when I can think again

Bob

1:41 AM

@rahuldottech are you sure they mean soldering? more likely a spot weld.

Ovie Adese

3:08 AM

Where can I find documentation to explain what all these firewalld rules are on my iptables?

Journeyman Geek

ooh...

I was wondering the same thing at some point ._.

howtogeek.com/177621/… is a decent place to start

Ovie Adese

sick thanks!

Journeyman Geek

web.archive.org/web/20180310124055/http://www.iptables.info/en/…

this looks good too! More in depth, but the actual site is down

I use a frontend (firewalld) cause for most part I consider iptables a little too much of a pain to maintain ._.

Ubuntu has UFW but... that's a path to pain and swearing IMO

but its useful to know proper IPtables since you can often do more complex stuff with 'raw' iptables commands even with a front end

Ovie Adese

I just wanted to on my host forward packets to a virtual network and masquerade it to another interface.

using firewalld

Journeyman Geek

3:23 AM

.....

rofl

If you had said that earlier...

like

duuuuude

Ovie Adese

Naw the stuff u linked are still helpful

Journeyman Geek

Its on a physical bit of kit...

journeymangeek.com/?p=196

but I actually documented me doing something super similar

Ovie Adese

dam your a god for that

Journeyman Geek

(which is amusing cause I'd totally have pointed you at that)

Ovie Adese

ty for that link

Journeyman Geek

3:25 AM

lol. Walking in the footsteps of giants XD

I basically took the ars technica router guide, and simplified it a fair bit with more modern tools

Ovie Adese

lol

Journeyman Geek

(also gives me a kick when someone else is doing the same crazy things I do ;p)

Bob

oof

ERROR: unable to create directory [Errno 5] Input/output error: './NA'
ERROR: unable to create directory [Errno 5] Input/output error: './NA'
ERROR: unable to create directory [Errno 5] Input/output error: './NA'
ERROR: unable to create directory [Errno 5] Input/output error: './NA'
ERROR: unable to create directory [Errno 5] Input/output error: './NA'
ERROR: unable to create directory [Errno 5] Input/output error: './NA'
ERROR: unable to create directory [Errno 5] Input/output error: './NA'
ERROR: unable to create directory [Errno 5] Input/output error: './NA'

that doesn't look good

[1450722.677169] buffer_io_error: 663 callbacks suppressed
[1450722.677179] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb1, logical block 44, async page read

ow.

Journeyman Geek

sounds like its dead

You should try reformatting it XD

Bob

@JourneymanGeek S.M.A.R.T. comes back clean

chkdsk seems fairly happy so far

I think ntfs-3g just ... tripped over

Journeyman Geek

3:30 AM

... or bad cable?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek original short USB 3.0 cable

barely used

could be the miniserver overheating I guess

I had it run downloading/muxing overnight

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

it's only a N3160 lol

Journeyman Geek

eh, my download box was that

never had any issues

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea I feel like it's a ntfs-3g issue

probably should've just mounted a remote dir

Journeyman Geek

3:32 AM

(I need to rebuild it at some point... I'm debating sticking downloading on the router if qbitorrent would get a rss webui ._.)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ehhhhh... I like to keep my router slim

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I kinda have the resources for it

its pretty overkill for routing.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek still better to not mix in other crap that'll have a chance of crashing the thing

Journeyman Geek

also means I only have one 24/7 box

meeeeeh

that thing is a tank

and I built it. I can troubleshoot it to some extent.

could always stick it in a docker container? ;p

There's a big gap between a crappy 1ghz arm or mips processor, and a low end old laptop processor. I probably could have saved myself some money and gotten a j1800 probably

amusingly the only reason there's much processor load is netdata...

and by much I mean 1% on one core

@Bob so far I've not had any issues since I set it up that couldn't be fixed by SSHing into it ;p

I think I had firewalld not come up once after a reboot

(hm, mental note - see if I can dualboot this off a USB key so I have a backup ;p)

rahuldottech

5:39 AM

@MichaelFrank you online?

So, CN510 is indeed a connector to the batteries, you were right ;p

rahuldottech

5:54 AM

BUT LOOK AT THOSE EMPTY AUX OUTPUTS!!!!

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech though they might have different versions on the same boards with differnt firmware

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek possible, but I can't find any information on about other versions of this keyboard, or other keyboards using the same board

Journeyman Geek

failing which, try breaking it out and checking? ;p

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek I AM SO EXCITED THIS IS GOING TO BE FUNNNNN

Journeyman Geek

._.

This was me a decade ago.

I've gotten old? ;p

rahuldottech

6:01 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm wondering tho

I'll have to also solder on two dozen other components to get the AUX outputs to work?

(see image)

Journeyman Geek

I doubt it, but you could probably follow the traces

oh

I see what you mean

Yeah

you'd be able to figure out what you need from what's there ._.

but not that simple, yes

rahuldottech

Mhm. No info about those AUX outputs in the service manual

Journeyman Geek

course not

rahuldottech

I'm also disappointed that no circuit bender on the internet seems to have even tried to mod this keyboard

@JourneymanGeek quick question

This PATA cable has three connectors on it

Journeyman Geek

hm?

rahuldottech

6:08 AM

Two at the ends, one in the middle. It doesn't matter which I connect, right?

Journeyman Geek

Oh

SORT OF

One end's fixed. The other end less so...

assuming you use CS

unless it matters

One end always goes into the motherboard

rahuldottech

Ah, ok. And the other two are the same?

Journeyman Geek

the two that are closer together are set to primary and secondary

dosen't matter if you use the cable select setting, they matter if the devices are set to primary (M) and Secondary (S) manually

rahuldottech

Hmmmmmm

Journeyman Geek

There's colour codes

I know secondary is often grey...

rahuldottech

6:11 AM

Black, Grey, Blue?

Journeyman Geek

Parallel ATA

Parallel ATA (PATA), originally AT Attachment, is an interface standard for the connection of storage devices such as hard disk drives, floppy disk drives, and optical disc drives in computers. The standard is maintained by the X3/INCITS committee. It uses the underlying AT Attachment (ATA) and AT Attachment Packet Interface (ATAPI) standards. The Parallel ATA standard is the result of a long history of incremental technical development, which began with the original AT Attachment interface, developed for use in early PC AT equipment. The ATA interface itself evolved in several stages from Western...

Yup

Black is primary, Grey is secondary, Blue connects to the motherboard

rahuldottech

Welp

Journeyman Geek

Sorry, I think the last time I used a sata cable was over a decade ago.

rahuldottech

Lol

Journeyman Geek

Also Get off my Lawn.

rahuldottech

6:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek ok what if there are only two connectors?

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Probably shouldn't matter

rahuldottech

See, what I'm trying to do is

Replace a cable which has only two

With a longer one, which happens to have three

Journeyman Geek

oh go with motherboard end and primary

should be safe

rahuldottech

Ok ok ok thx

Journeyman Geek

also set the new device to the same setting as the existing one as far as M/S/CS goes

rahuldottech

6:17 AM

omg so many screws

@JourneymanGeek What's M/S/CS?

Journeyman Geek

Master/Slave/Cable Select

I'd guess it's on master mode.

CS may or may not work

so set to master, use black and blue.

rahuldottech

Where... do you change this setting?

Ah. Mhm.

Journeyman Geek

jumpers! Back of the drive!

rahuldottech

Ah. This isn't even a proper drive, it's a drive emulator

Man

Lol

Journeyman Geek

or the equivilent. If its meant for these devices its probably got sane default...

waiiiiit

Is this an IDE cable or a floppy cable?

rahuldottech

6:19 AM

ARE THOSE DIFFERENT?

See man

Journeyman Geek

Yes

You wouldn't know this

rahuldottech

There's a floppy drive. I'm replacing with a USB floppy emulator

Journeyman Geek

a floppy cable should have 2 ends and a twist in the middle

rahuldottech

Gimme a minute

Journeyman Geek

computerhope.com/jargon/f/flopcabl.htm

and has fewer pins

@rahuldottech for the record, I don't think you were born the last time I had an internal floppy drive on a PC

3

rahuldottech

6:26 AM

FML MAN

THIS IS A DIFFERENT CABLE ARGHHHHH

@JourneymanGeek Can't use PATA in place of floppy cable?

Ah of course you can't

Journeyman Geek

no

rahuldottech

DIfferent sizes

Welp. Now I have to go dig up my old desktop PCs and see if they have a longer floppy cable

Journeyman Geek

Its ok. least it isn't a scsi cable.

rahuldottech

WOW

A FLOPPY CABLE FOR 100USD

amazon.in/Belkin-F3G620-32INCH-Universal-Floppy-Cable/dp/…

Journeyman Geek

.....

rahuldottech

6:28 AM

AFTER DISCOUNT!?

Journeyman Geek

I think they're out of stock and don't think anyone was dumb enough to order at that price

rahuldottech

going for this amazon.in/Cables-Unlimited-12-inch-Single-Floppy/dp/B000V6R4J8/…

Journeyman Geek

ya, that looks like it'll work

rahuldottech

WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST USED A PATA FOR EVERYTHING

Journeyman Geek

cause floppies existed before IDE

you'd literally need a controller card for hard drives. Every PC came with a floppy drive, and you'd run the whole OS off a single floppy

IDE was a improvement. Also more complex.

rahuldottech

6:32 AM

Argh yeah ok makes sense

I'm gonna go check my old PCs for longer floppy cables now

Be back in a bit

SIGH

Bob

@JourneymanGeek lxd pls

my ER-X (dual MIPS) sits about 10% in a suboptimal config

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I might want docker elsewhere for some stuff

and running similarish environments is easier ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek el, docker in lxd if you must :P

I'll never run docker directly on host

Journeyman Geek

6:48 AM

anyway, headed to india at the end of the month, and the one feature I need to get this working is ....

there's the API but no front end

rahuldottech

From what I can see, the CD drive also uses a floppy cable

Journeyman Geek

0_0

It should be an IDE cable

Pata cable for you younguns ;p

rahuldottech

From a PC older than me that belonged to my dad.

I found a cable from a PC older than me that belonged to my dad.
Never thought I'd have any use for this PC, but kept it because I hate throwing electronics out
From what I can see, the CD drive also uses a floppy cable

@JourneymanGeek wait all my messages aren't getting sent

Journeyman Geek

you're typing too fast

no

rahuldottech

Had to copy and paste messages, chat was messing up on shitty mobile network

Journeyman Geek

6:56 AM

cd drives pretty much use IDE + an aux cable

rahuldottech

Anyway, yeah. No. This one isn't IDE

Journeyman Geek

fun thing is you can connect the aux out cable as a line out and play music cds off many cd players

SCSI? 0_0

rahuldottech

Ah it's IDE, I was wrong

Just a very primitive cable which looks a lot like the floppy cable

@JourneymanGeek so that twist?

It's not present in the old cable which I took outta the synth

Journeyman Geek

errrr

Bob

@JourneymanGeek wait. aux cable?

Journeyman Geek

7:08 AM

might be non standard

@Bob yup

Bob

oh you mean the old CD (as in audio CD) drives?

Journeyman Geek

no!

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek it isn't, because it works with a generic floppy emulator

Journeyman Geek

Actual CD rom drives could do that too

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea the old ones that supported audio CDs as a special case

rahuldottech

7:08 AM

@JourneymanGeek is right the old CD drive on this PC has aux output

Bob

slightly newer ones had a 3.5mm on the front too, iirc

rahuldottech

@Bob yep, this one has it out front

Journeyman Geek

@Bob basically would connect to the sound card directly

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ya, I know those

Journeyman Geek

but you could use it as a line out

Bob

7:09 AM

they were effectively two drives in one

the audio cd part was pretty much independent of the data part

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek help I wanna die now

Bob

@rahuldottech erm it says FDD

rahuldottech

@Bob ....so?

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech at this point...

just try it?

I might be wrong

Its been like... 20 years since I installed one.

Bob

5183-9427 seems to be an HP part number for a FDD cable...

rahuldottech

7:13 AM

@Bob correct, I just took it out of an HP PC older than me.

Bob

also I'm vaguely amused that these guys still list it store.emprgroup.com.au/p-162887-5183-9427.aspx

> Windows has scanned the file system and found no problems.
No further action is required.

Ok pretty sure it was just ntfs-3g dying

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek so there's something wonky that I noticed

But I can't explain it in text

Or English, probably

The orientation of the connector on the shorter cable appears to be flipped

Journeyman Geek

er ya

a lot of these cables are non standard

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek but works with standard floppy emulator?

ARGH

I'm just gonna try this

Floppy cables

►

@JourneymanGeek when aligning the red wire ^

Journeyman Geek

7:28 AM

@rahuldottech the device end may be non standard

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek very possible

I managed to orient the stuff in such a manner so that the shorter wire is fitted comfortable and not under strain anymore. So I'm gonna leave it in.

\o/

One task done.

rahuldottech

7:42 AM

Also wtf man

It appears the last guy I gave this keyboard to to change the keys stole all the screws?

Wtf

Michael Frank

8:08 AM

@rahuldottech Did it have a battery?!

rahuldottech

@MichaelFrank Not on the upper motherboard, it didn't

And the bottom one is mostly speak and output circuitry, so I doubt that it would

ARGH WHERE DO I FIND MATCHING SCREWS FROM THO

I WANNA GO BEAT UP THAT MAN FROM THE SHOP GODDAMNIT

Michael Frank

8:36 AM

@rahuldottech I was also right that it was a cap. :P

rahuldottech

@MichaelFrank yep

rahuldottech

8:54 AM

Ok, how can I figure out what a screw is called?

Do I measure it with a ruler and just search for __mm?

CowperKettle

In my laptop, there are two PC4-19200 modules (4Gb each). If I replace one of them with a PC4-21300 module, will it work?

The modules are by Hynix, so I'll buy a Hynix one.

Michael Frank

@rahuldottech Do they fix into plastic or metal?

rahuldottech

9:10 AM

@MichaelFrank all plastic

Different kinds and sizes

rahuldottech

9:29 AM

The manual might have names for them, I'll look for them in a while

Journeyman Geek

@CowperKettle yes, it'll just run at 19200

@rahuldottech also need to worry about pitch, thread shape...

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek last three have the same threads

First one has slightly smaller

Journeyman Geek

ya but when you buy it

rahuldottech

Yep. I dunno which shop would store these

Hardware shops here aren't impressive

Journeyman Geek

eh, I literally know one store here that would have it, or know where to find them

CowperKettle

9:35 AM

@JourneymanGeek So I thought! Nice!

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek welp

Journeyman Geek

also

boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Measuring/Default.aspx and boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Type-Chart.aspx

rahuldottech

SO MANY TYPES

Journeyman Geek

10:06 AM

@rahuldottech yup

now, its a machine screw

but but

It could also be JIS standards

rahuldottech

10:19 AM

@JourneymanGeek there's a market nearby with a bunch of hardware stores, so I'll go to all of them and see if I can find something

I think something with very similar threading would probably work too, since it's screwed into plastic? Might be a bad idea.

Journeyman Geek

10:35 AM

ehhhh prooobabblllyyyy

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek probably a bad idea or probably might work?

Journeyman Geek

should work.

rahuldottech

Ah. Well, let's see.

Bob

11:21 AM

@JourneymanGeek you can get measuring tools for most thread pitches

but then you get into angles, and yea the thread cross section...

those look like wood screws, not machine screws

Journeyman Geek

Wood screws would be pointy no?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek only if self-tapping

hm, maybe more like plastic

idk, it doesn't look like a standard machine screw thread :P

but who knows with older stuff

djsmiley2k

11:55 AM

replacement washing machine \o/

Hennes

Wheee. 2TB SSD installed

And performaing as badly as expected

MVmE, PCIe v3 x4.... and occasionally down to 2MB/sec

Bob

@Hennes what is it?

Hennes

Granted, QLC drive and I am pushing its worst workload. Copying 1TB from another SSD. And QLC is not precisely write friendly when its SLC gets exhausted

Intel 760 2TB

Bob

ah

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