The Bridge

I received the following blog comment last night. Normally I write them off as spam, but this one was pretty specific:

Just to clue you in. 4chan is planning on launching a trolling and spam campaign against SO, and are coordinating anons from multiple chans. There was mention of manipulating the points system and closing a bunch of popular posts. The date for launch is August 12th. THE MOAR U NO!

Horrible grammar and spelling aside. Is this even a concern? If so, do you already know about it? If not, here you go.

Ivo Flipse

I hope you guys are not infective :P

Downvoter

I guess it's nothing to be worried about, but...

Arda Xi

it's 4chan, if against anyone it'd be us

Ivo Flipse

7:12 PM

they could just lock the site until they give up

alexanderpas

:74769 no, only IRL, and it's infective.

Downvoter

I don't know how they can do much

Downvoter

SO has many failsafe mechanisms...

Arda Xi

well.. as long as our mods do their job we have nothing to worry about

Downvoter

meh

Arda Xi

7:12 PM

Not against a whole community

alexanderpas

I know what they can do ;)

Arda Xi

the whole site is based on community

get enough people together and you can bring down the site pretty quickly if not for mods

Downvoter

it's not that easy

Downvoter

we have the rep cap for one

Downvoter

they'd have to be very aggressive

Downvoter

7:14 PM

which would trigger the anomaly vote detector

Downvoter

again... meh

Arda Xi

or already registered

they'd only have to get 200 rep on one site to get 100 on all

Ivo Flipse

we've been giving loads of people 100 free rep on SE sites, so 200 is peanuts

alexanderpas

The good side of anonymous can pour out some pretty nice stuff (chanology)

Ivo Flipse

and perhaps loads of traffic and votes is actually positive, who knows what they will spot

Downvoter

7:15 PM

they'll fall in love with SE and we'd have more users

Ivo Flipse

and else this day will make for an interesting statistical anomaly

tzenes

I think what they can do is spam questions and flood the site with junk

and if you remember we had this problem once before

alexanderpas

the bad side of anonymous, you don't want to meet

tzenes

we had someone flood a number of wow questions

and the site was nothing but these questions

Ivo Flipse

if they spam, the links will get blacklisted and that deals with duplicates

tzenes

7:17 PM

and it took us time to deal with it

Ivo Flipse

so it will take them more trouble to create a hassle than for us to clean it up

Downvoter

wasn't that antony?

tzenes

that's not true

yes, it was Juan

Downvoter

it took us time because we were trying not to aggresively shut him down

Downvoter

for him not to feel bad

tzenes

7:18 PM

if 2,000 people come through and each creates 4 questions, that's 8,000 questions

alexanderpas

they just write a script...

tzenes

we have captcha's I'm not worried abotu scripts

@Juan I think there is a scale issue here

alexanderpas

they fill them in, remember the time magazine poll.

Downvoter

meh, jeff can run an update and disallow new questions from users with <1000 rep in one minute

Ivo Flipse

indeed, it's not like the team is sleeping

Downvoter

7:19 PM

The Cassandra workshop is resuming

Downvoter

bbl

alexanderpas

marblecake also the game

yeah, I know.. I just lost it)

"And now back to our regular programming"

Arda Xi

I hate to have to use XKCD again, but

alexanderpas

:74875 Is that even possible?

Arda Xi

I'm as surprised as you! I didn't think it was possible.

alexanderpas

7:26 PM

:74882 thanks, you answered exactly as expected and I lol'ed.

Arda Xi

you're welcome

alexanderpas

8:07 PM

so... DF is twice as fast on my 1GHz linux eeePC compared to my XEON double CPU 2.4GHz windows machine.

Ivo Flipse

guess you have some optimizing to @alexanderpas

alexanderpas

wait... Santa does exists and he likes DF

Arda Xi

guess what I'm using :P

say, is it weird that for some reason captnduck's accent is annoying to me?

alexanderpas

8:27 PM

he's dutch.

Arda Xi

I know, that's why I asked

I don't get it, I do bilingual education, nobody in my school speaks english like that and yet I instantly recognise it as a dutch accent

alexanderpas

those who do bilang usually talk better english.

Arda Xi

definitely not in the beginning though

then again, my accent is usually that of whomever I'm talking to

alexanderpas

hearing dutch professors etc. speak english on discovery channel is even worse.

Arda Xi

uh oh, the elves are here and all of my stuff is in wooden bins and barrels

alexanderpas

8:32 PM

don't buy, sell or gift wooden stuff.

Arda Xi

but.. my stuff is in wooden stuff

alexanderpas

a stone table in a wooden bucket? ;)

Arda Xi

mostly gypsum mugs and such

trinkets the traders like

so what do I do

alexanderpas

Be careful to not offer them your wooden bins or barrels. If the contents of bins are marked for trade individually, and are not wooden themselves, the elves will not care that you used wooden bins to haul the goods to the depot. Source: df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Elf#ixzz0wKd3lOUr

Arda Xi

oh, okay

thanks

I gotta haul it all over first too

alexanderpas

8:37 PM

Elves will not accept wood, wooden items or any goods decorated with wood. This includes clear and crystal glass items and soap, because wood-derived lye and pearlash are used in their production. Source: df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Elf#ixzz0wKdT1hfr

Arda Xi

heh, I made 1770* worth of mugs

what the?

they're offering me only wood

ah, it's normal, still seems weird to me

alexanderpas

Elves will, however, gladly trade you their own wooden items. They will not, however, accept their wooden items back. Source: df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Elf#ixzz0wKeGcBQZ

strange elves...

Arda Xi

yeah, I read that, it just seems odd

that's like a vegetarian running a butcher's

alexanderpas

more like an islamic butcher selling pork meat.

C. Ross

8:56 PM

Like a vegetarian barbecuing hamster?

Arda Xi

that's the best analogy ever

C. Ross

theoretically the elves "sing" the wood out without cutting it, and they won't accept yours because you killed the trees ... the distinction between wood they made and wood you cut isn't made yet, so they won't take any from you

Arda Xi

ah

in the mean time I've got an elf in a strange mood

alexanderpas

an elf?

Arda Xi

dwarf

C. Ross

8:58 PM

... strange mood as in "Fey Mood", or just pissed at you?

Arda Xi

got confused

C. Ross

ah yes, first strange mood ... I remember that

Arda Xi

as in possessed actually

C. Ross

less fun, but still

you have your military standing by?

alexanderpas

you want to check the workshop he's claiming.

Arda Xi

8:59 PM

according to the wiki I don't need any

C. Ross

lol, good luck

later y'all

Arda Xi

he's in the dining room

what does that mean

alexanderpas

If a moody dwarf does not claim a workshop, it is because the appropriate workshop does not exist.

Arda Xi

maybe he's making a legendary dinner

hmm, then I need the appropriate workshop

hmm, made sense

glass maker, glass furnace

how am I supposed to get green glass without a glass maker

alexanderpas

lol

Arda Xi

9:11 PM

or more importantly, without sand

:75209 you were saying something about a military?

my military has him surrounded, it's the best I can do

Evening all

evening

first fey dwarf?

possessed even

well this is boring, doesn't even go insane

FallenAngelEyes

Aw

Arda Xi

9:24 PM

and other than digging deeper or dying I don't see where I should go from here

FallenAngelEyes

dangit I'm getting the urge to play it again

Have you read the saga of Boatmurdered?

Arda Xi

yeah

FallenAngelEyes

'tis well worth it if only for the entertainment factor

Arda Xi

maybe I should read it again for ideas :P

FallenAngelEyes

hehe

I recognize Dutch accents in English pretty easily now as well

Most of my Dutch friends speak good English though

Arda Xi

9:27 PM

go insane already, my military is tiring

FallenAngelEyes

I read this interesting article in the NRC a month or so ago that was about Dutch people and English. The percentage of Dutch people who think they speak good English is rather high but when it comes to actual performance, they don't do so well.

Arda Xi

sounds like my experience

alexanderpas

the amount of Dunglish is noticable.

FallenAngelEyes

For example, common pronunciation issues like pronouncing "bad," "bat," "bed," and "bet" all the same way

Which, thinking about it, I definitely notice

or pronouncing "live" (long version) like "life"

Arda Xi

finally, he's gone berserk

FallenAngelEyes

9:29 PM

haha

alexanderpas

killa!

Arda Xi

he has been struck down

FallenAngelEyes

salutes

think I'm gonna play more L4D2

Arda Xi

hmm, I wonder where his body is, I only see clothing

FallenAngelEyes

no corpse?

Arda Xi

9:31 PM

not as far as I can tell

I see 'a spattering of Lokum'

alexanderpas

auch...

Arda Xi

well, that's that, I just hope it doesn't form miasma

FallenAngelEyes

Ooooh new Borderlands DLC

Arda Xi

is that game even fun if you haven't any friends (that have the game)?

FallenAngelEyes

It's not as great solo

My b/f got it as well so we always at least duo

playing with 4 players is great fun

TF2 will finally add trading ingame, interesting

One of the best things about Borderlands is the humor ingame

I like the tone a lot

alexanderpas

9:39 PM

:75343 now, the only thing missing is an experience bar, and we have a new RPG

FallenAngelEyes

re: TF2? Haha, yeah

tzenes

do you guys play borderlands on pc or 360?

alexanderpas

nope.

FallenAngelEyes

PC for me

I don't like playing shooters on console

keyboard+mouse > gamepad

tzenes

ever since Halo I actually prefer it

FallenAngelEyes

9:43 PM

Wow, so I got a tank... and it bugged out

it disappeared

but my screen is continuously shaking...

tzenes

I need to find people to play borderlands on the 360 with

FallenAngelEyes

Ah there he is

alexanderpas

Wiimote + Nunchuck > gamepad

FallenAngelEyes

also I had more friends getting it on PC than on 360

we got the 4 pack deal on Steam

gogo typing skills

alexanderpas

you can edit your posts here. (for two minutes that is.)

tzenes

9:46 PM

haha

force of habit

FallenAngelEyes

Oh yeah

I keep treating this as just a regular chat

alexanderpas

this > regular chat

FallenAngelEyes

I'd prefer IRC, then I wouldn't have to have this open in my browser all the time, I could just use irssi like I normally do.

alexanderpas

[status-by-design]

FallenAngelEyes

effing witches instakill

alexanderpas

10:02 PM

don't shoot the witch!

alexanderpas

10:15 PM

lol, road and river in the same area, running parallel

Arda Xi

hmm, I now have blood all over my glass furnace just cause some female dwarf needed cloth

by the way, weird question, but is it safe to build a channel to a water source?

FallenAngelEyes

part of the joy of this game is to try things

and then die horribly

alexanderpas

sourced water is fun.

Arda Xi

@FallenAngelEyes but I'm going so well

alexanderpas

try it in a seperate part.

Arda Xi

10:25 PM

I was thinking that, but how

dig out a part and lock the miner in?

well, trading time first

insane dwarf's clothes were worth 100*

alexanderpas

wow... perfect: temperate, heavily forested, thick vegitation, wilderness, a brook, sand & flux, no aquifer.

Arda Xi

now that you just started, try my channeling theory :D

alexanderpas

I can't read your mind, so i don't know what you're planning.

Arda Xi

I just want to make a channel from a water source to my fortress

so that my dwarves won't have to go to the surface for water

alexanderpas

should work, just remember pressure.

Arda Xi

10:30 PM

the water is on the same z-level

no higher, no lower

and nothing built below it

alexanderpas

dorfs drink from the edges of open space.

Arda Xi

alright, here goes

alexanderpas

########
.D....##.......
##~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
################

sideview. right is river.

Arda Xi

err, I failed

oh right, it was aboveground too

that was kinda dumb

why isn't my miner dying

alexanderpas

you did this

########
.D..~~~~~~~~~~~#
####~~~#########
################

Arda Xi

10:36 PM

not exactly

########
.D....##~~~~~~~~~~
##~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
################

that's more like it

how is he still alive

alexanderpas

he's trying to learn to swim.

Arda Xi

how is that even possible

oh right, it's only 5/7 water

well, he won't move from 5/7th to 5/7th

so I can't fix this

can I?

alexanderpas

usually, you can't, unless he learns to swim, and escapes.

Arda Xi

well, he's getting good at swimming

also, you realise I can't let him escape, it would flood the fortress

alexanderpas

try the air-gate method

Arda Xi

10:42 PM

?

alexanderpas

########
.#...#~~
.X...X~D
.#...#~~
###d####
########

X are doors, d is designated dig

Arda Xi

let's try

alexanderpas

keep left closed until dwarf is in center, close right, open left.

designate dig only after closing left.

Arda Xi

gotcha

wait, why dig if left is open? to let the water out?

alexanderpas

dig is to get dwarf to center in the first place.

Arda Xi

10:48 PM

oh, of course

how do I open the door without moving to it?

alexanderpas

Arda Xi

I can make it passable

but I can't explicitly open it

alexanderpas

dwarf passible is enough.

Arda Xi

but she won't move to the door

so it won't open

alexanderpas

does she have something to do on the other side of the door?

or she can't simply swim not well enough ;)

Arda Xi

10:52 PM

how can I see how well she can swim?

alexanderpas

df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Swimmer

Ivo Flipse

Dames en Heren, enjoy your DF geek talk, I'm out!

alexanderpas

hey,at least we're on topic of gaming

Arda Xi

well, she hasn't drowned yet

and it's 5/7

g'night

she might just be stunned

alexanderpas

might be.

Arda Xi

11:01 PM

managed to build an upward ramp

all fixed now

so much for a water source

alexanderpas

but it was fun :D

Arda Xi

I suppose it was Fun

uh oh, running out of food

I got some dead animals laying around, might as well make some meat

(well, not bored anymore)

plus I kinda flooded my kitchen in an.. accident

oh great, another strange mood

FallenAngelEyes

lmao

Arda Xi

this time I'm locking the workshop

tzenes

Ok, I'm going to ask a ridiculous question, and its ok if no one knows the answer. Is it possible for me to create an untyped list in c# that will accept any type?

Arda Xi

11:15 PM

Sure, List<Object>

tzenes

no, List<Object> is typed Object

I want untyped

Arda Xi

it's a strongly typed language

that's not going to happen

tzenes

strangly enough java, supports this feature

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