Root Access

TomWij

5:00 PM

But well, have fun. Hope you get your problem solved...

Sathya

Debugging using WinDBG

9 mins ago, 9 minutes total – 21 messages, 4 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 4 secs ago by Sathya

BloodPhilia

Awwww, the troll question was removed :(

Sathya

link ?

I SEE DEAD QUESTIONS

XD

TomWij

Most people would reinstall their computers; but the SysInternals, WinDBG and WPT tools are pretty nice if you want to get your hands dirty and fix it. :-)

Sathya

anyhow, later folks

studiohack

5:02 PM

morning all!

TomWij

Later

studiohack

anyone seen this?

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Q: How are moderator election votes counted, in plain English?

The election page sidebar states that Stack Exchange elections use the Meek STV vote-counting method: After 4 days, the final voting results will be freely downloadable from this page forever, and we will calculate the 3 winners using OpenSTV with the Meek STV method. How does it work? I su...

BloodPhilia

@studiohack Ye I did

It does explain the basics, but I still wouldn't get the entire process

studiohack

I sorta get it...

TomWij

@studiohack: Can you give an example of a single iteration?

BloodPhilia

5:05 PM

@studiohack It's not entirely correct though

TomWij

> If your first candidate is ruled unelectable due to vote count

studiohack

then? @TomWij

TomWij

How is that determined?

BloodPhilia

Well

If a candidate received a 1st choise vote from you, but no other votes

studiohack

if the first candidate is ruled unelectable, then the second candidate gets the first candidate's support

the way I read it

BloodPhilia

5:06 PM

That candidate would not stand a chance and is deemed unelectable

Your support vote would then shift to your second choice

studiohack

but what if you used all three of your votes?

TomWij

I'm going to read the Wikipedia explanation because I'm getting confused of the version in laymans terms. :D

BloodPhilia

Okay, let's say you've picked A as your 1st, B as your 2nd and C as your 3rd. Once A doesn't stand a chance because he's not getting enough votes to make it, (unelectable) you're 1st vote will be transferred to B and C, depending on how well they do.

2

tintincute

Hello :-)

BloodPhilia

@tintincute Ello you

tintincute

5:08 PM

just a quick question.

I have a website. www.mysite.com

TomWij

@BloodPhilia: But how does it deiced that there are not enough votes? Or better asked: What votes does it count? Only the A votes or all the votes?

tintincute

and would like to have this one, www.mysite.com/test1. Is that possible.

TomWij

@tintincute: Yes, just make a folder in your site...

BloodPhilia

@tintincute Yes, in the root directory of your webspace, just make a folder called "test1" and put your files there.

TomWij

Or what do you mean? Do you want something more specific?

tintincute

5:10 PM

ok how can I write then that this page is under construction. Do I need to make an HTML for this one?

BloodPhilia

@TomWij Well it's calculated, if A only gets one vote in total (from you) there's no way he's getting elected at all. There's a mathematical formula to calculate this vote quota

TomWij

@BloodPhilia: I think I see now from reading the pages.

BloodPhilia

@tintincute Yes, Make an HTML page and upload it to the "test1" folder

tintincute

@BloodPhilia: thanks. I will try this.

BloodPhilia

@tintincute You're welcome and good luck.

tintincute

5:11 PM

@BloodPhilia: you mean in the root right?

where the folders assets, manager... etc..

BloodPhilia

@tintincute Well it depends, if you want to display an "under construction page" when people visit mysite.com, put it in the root. If you want people to see it when they visit mysite.com/test1, put it in test1

TomWij

@BloodPhilia: So, I think... It only takes into account the choice A votes. And the last place gets dropped, then the votes are transferred to the choice B for those who had the last place as choice A. And then it starts over to drop the last place. This until there are three candidates left.

BloodPhilia

Pretty much

TomWij

Kinda sounds weird though.

BloodPhilia

Wow, why can I vote for myself as 1st choice in the election?

Is that supposed to be possible?

tintincute

5:16 PM

@BloodPhilia: I already did. And I upload the html I made, I named my HTML test.html and made a folder test1 and upload the test.html here. But then I can't see the wordings I made "This is under construction"

TomWij

@BloodPhilia: Yes, that's possible. It's up to you what you do with your votes...

BloodPhilia

@TomWij I know, but I just assumed you couldn't vote for yourself... since it wasn't possible in primary either ;)

TomWij

Yeah, but Primary is kinda different.

BloodPhilia

@TomWij I know, but I just assumed

TomWij

Hmm

I'm still wondering

You don't have to place three votes, right?

BloodPhilia

5:18 PM

Nope, you could just place 1

That would mean 100% of your vote would go to that candidate. However if that candidate is ruled out by getting "unelected", your vote will be lost. That would be a shame.

TomWij

Hmm, what would happen if two persons have an equal number of votes?

BloodPhilia

Then they, and the one above or below them will be elected

tintincute

@BloodPhilia: I already did. And I upload the html I made, I named my HTML test.html and made a folder test1 and upload the test.html here. But then I can't see the wordings I made "This is under construction"

TomWij

@BloodPhilia: Ah, so they automatically take up two places, makes sense...

BloodPhilia

@tintincute So what DOES happen when you go to mysite.com/test1/test.html?

TomWij

5:21 PM

And four with the same count would be near impossible. :D

BloodPhilia

@TomWij pretty much... But I don't know what would happen in that case

tintincute

it says this is under construction.

but I only want to have this www.mysite.com/test1

BloodPhilia

@tintincute Oh, change the name of test1.html to index.html

tintincute

@B

@BloodPhilia: Hey thank you, that work.

BloodPhilia

@tintincute You're welcome =)

tintincute

5:24 PM

sorry I pressed it accidentally ;-)

BloodPhilia

@tintincute That's ok. When the webserver gets a request for the test1 folder, it looks if there's an "index" file and then sends that.

That's why index.html is picked up and test.html is not. (It could also be index.php, index.htm, index.asp, etc. depending in your server's configuration)

tintincute

Where shall I get this information about the server's configuration?

BloodPhilia

@tintincute From your hosting provider.

tintincute

Ok.

I guess we have index.html because it works

BloodPhilia

@tintincute Well good :) Anything else you need to know?

tintincute

5:30 PM

yes, but it's quite difficult to ask because I am not sure if I am using the right terminology.

BloodPhilia

@tintincute Just give it a try

tintincute

ok but first I have to understand the problem here and I will get back to you. Is that ok?

Thanks for your help really.

BloodPhilia

@tintincute Sure, that's fine and you're welcome

Why was this migrated?

2

Q: How do I replicate Gmail filtering (forwarding mostly)?

I have reached the limits of Gmail forwarding. Before there was no need to verify forwarding addresses. It's a problem for me now because the addresses I want to forward to are not natural inboxes but automated systems with no way to track the verification email contents. I want to set this up f...

email automation social-networking sendmail fetchmail

Ivo Flipse

5:46 PM

Gmail is a web app, I don't expect anyone to try and replicate Google's filtering just with desktop software

BloodPhilia

@IvoFlipse It's about fetching the mail with sendmail/postfix, which are server utilities for Linux... The OP is looking for a way similar to Gmail filtering.

Ivo Flipse

then I misjudged it, you can flag it for ChrisF's attention so he can migrate it back

BloodPhilia

@IvoFlipse Done

studiohack

good catch @BloodPhilia

BloodPhilia

@studiohack Ghehe, thanks

Ivo Flipse

6:02 PM

would anyone know why I'm not getting any figure "pop ups" in Eclipse when using something like imshow()?

youtube.com/android

tintincute

just a quick question are there different types of lightbox'

?

hello ALL again

Hello @tintincute

@KronoS:hello

evening all

do you know if there are different types of lightbox? and what would be the best to use?

studiohack

6:12 PM

evening @DanielBeck

Daniel Beck

lightbox as in this javascript overlay on websites?

studiohack

good afternoon @KronoS

KronoS

@DanielBeck evening ;)

@studiohack eh it's still mornin.. maybe early early aft as it's on 11 :P

DMA57361

for those of you discussing how the vote counting worked earlier on, see:

KronoS

oh my gosh only 2 more hours til elections are over?!?!?!?!?!

DMA57361

6:16 PM

1

A: How are moderator election votes counted, in plain English?

Meek's method of STV is an iterative process that approaches the will of the people asymptotically. TL;DR Your vote, valued at 1.00 vote, is applied to your candidates in the order you rank them. Each candidate only uses as much of your vote as needed to become elected (shared evenly with all wh...

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the TL;DR bit at the top is wonderfully concise :)

studiohack

yes @KronoS and I'm nervous!

tintincute

@DanielBeck: yes

KronoS

woo hoo! My first edit on MSO! I like this edit for lower rep users

DMA57361

@KronoS lol, yeah, I'm tempted to hunt for something to edit for the sake of trying it out from the other side :)

KronoS

lol... I just did it by instinct and then realized... oh ya I don't have enough rep to do that...

tintincute

6:23 PM

@DanielBeck: yes you know when you click on a picture. Are there different types of it. Or is it only one type?

Daniel Beck

@tintincute There are lots of different implementations of the same general idea. You should probably check on SO, they have tons of lightbox related questions, including the (dis)advantages of different implementations.

BloodPhilia

@DMA57361 That's actually quite a good explanation :D

KronoS

I got rep for editing?! I thought that wasn't implemented yet...

studiohack

+2 rep I believe it is @KronoS

tintincute

@DanielBeck: Ok Thanks what is SO?Stackoverflow?

studiohack

6:31 PM

yes @tintincute

BloodPhilia

SO = Stack Overflow
SU = Super User
SF = Server Fault

M = Meta, so MSO = Meta.Stack Overflow

Daniel Beck

SE = Stack Exchange

BloodPhilia

Oh right

studiohack

MSO = Meta Stack Overflow

Daniel Beck

but yes @tintincute I meant Stack Overflow

BloodPhilia

6:34 PM

@studiohack Already said that :D

tintincute

is there a code where I can use, for example I am using html with Lightbox, this one works well with Firefox but when I view this with IE or with other browsers, it will not work anymore. I remember that there is some code you need to integrate.

Ivo Flipse

SOIS = Stack Overflow Internet Services

;-P

studiohack

I realized that when i sent it :P @BloodPhilia

BloodPhilia

Lol @IvoFlipse

KronoS

0

Q: Don't you think that it's time for some more Super User shirts?

This is for you Jeff. We're asking and begging and pleading (and maybe even willing to pay) for some shirts!!!! We know you've got to have some hiding under your bed. Don't you think it's time to share with those that deserve it? Perhaps to the newly elected mods, or maybe even all those th...

discussion superuser t-shirt request

tintincute

6:34 PM

@BloodPhilia: Thanks :-) I am not used with abbreviations. I actually hate abbreviations as I can give a lot of meanings to it

Ivo Flipse

w000t: market.android.com

KronoS

Aight... I did it... now quickly upvote before he says no

BloodPhilia

@IvoFlipse There's the actual market online now? FINALLY

tintincute

@BloodPhilia: thanks for the different abbreviation meanings

Ivo Flipse

yeah, but you can't log in (yet)

BloodPhilia

6:35 PM

@tintincute You're welcome

Ivo Flipse

> Invalid request.

tintincute

Does anyone know this: is there a code where I can use, for example I am using html with Lightbox, this one works well with Firefox but when I view this with IE or with other browsers, it will not work anymore. I remember that there is some code you need to integrate.

BloodPhilia

@IvoFlipse Nah, but it browses so much better than on my phone! Took em long enough!

Ivo Flipse

and it has QRcodes

perhaps Chrome to phone works

Daniel Beck

@tintincute en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_sniffing

BloodPhilia

6:37 PM

Hi @Sathya

Sathya

hey @BloodPhilia

this is how my task manager looks when idle :\

4

Q: Why does WMI Provider Host ( WmiPrvSE.exe ) keep spiking my CPU ?

I generally keep my laptop on 24x7, and at the end of the day it's really annoying to have my thighs burnt because over overheating. The overheating seems to be a result of WMI Provider Host ( WmiPrvSE.exe ) spiking the CPU utilization to 25% every few minutes. Any ideas why this is happening ...

windows-7 wmi hp-envy

Ivo Flipse

turn off the pr0n downloading @Sathya ;P

7

Sathya

@IvoFlipse LOL :p

anyhow, catchya'll later.

BloodPhilia

Bye bye :D

Daniel Beck

@IvoFlipse That line will be starred quickly, I sense it.

KronoS

6:39 PM

@Sathya why didn't you right away re-install the OS instead of keeping all the pre-installed crap?

tintincute

what is WMI?

BloodPhilia

Mine, while playing music, playing MegaVideo, msn and chatting

tintincute

@DanielBeck: Hey thank you :-)

KronoS

google.com/search?q=WMI @tintincute

BloodPhilia

:D

Sathya

6:40 PM

@KronoS too much work, not enough time. anyhow when I finally sit to install the SSD it will require a reinstall, so might as well figure this out now

tintincute

thanks Krono

i mean Kronos

Sathya

Windows Management Instrumentation

Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) is a set of extensions to the Windows Driver Model that provides an operating system interface through which instrumented components provide information and notification. WMI is Microsoft's implementation of the Web-Based Enterprise Management (WBEM) and Common Information Model (CIM) standards from the Distributed Management Task Force (DMTF). WMI allows scripting languages like VBScript or Windows PowerShell to manage Microsoft Windows personal computers and servers, both locally and remotely. WMI is preinstalled in Windows 2000 and newer OSs. It ...

Ivo Flipse

darn I was just too slow, I wanted to tweet the guy who's presenting @google now :P

KronoS

no prob @tintincute ;)

BloodPhilia

market.android.com/details?id=org.droidstack

KronoS

6:41 PM

actually i meant to send this: tinyurl.com/2cg92w7 @tintincute

Sathya

*GASP* YOU USE MSN! THAT SMILEY RIDDEN POS? *SHUDDER*

:P

aw..

BloodPhilia

@Sathya Right... Now you're scaring me

Sathya

:D @BloodPhilia

toodles..

BloodPhilia

Bye :D

Lol, @IvoFlipse your comment at the top of the list > XD

tintincute

KronoS how did you that?

studiohack

6:44 PM

@KronoS you were notified ^

KronoS

google.com/search

@studiohack no

@tintincute if you want to 'get the attention' of someone you have to put an @ in frnt of thier name

tintincute

KronoS now I know

KronoS

like this:

studiohack

@KronoS: I know, I meant that you were supposed to be notified

KronoS

@studiohack

studiohack

6:45 PM

lol

tintincute

@KronoS: Now I know how it works

BloodPhilia

@all

studiohack

like Twitter @tintincute

KronoS

dang... it won't let me do it multiple times

studiohack

@BloodPhilia hum drum, @alleverbody

BloodPhilia

6:46 PM

@studiohack Hahahaha! HumDrumRoll xD

KronoS

Bing is stealing google's searches... Google stole java's code... I say we vote to close both as exact duplicates

Tweeted by SuperKronos on February 2, 2011 at 4:58 AM

2

studiohack

humdrumroll HAHA!

KronoS

I see that you liked this @IvoFlipse and @studiohack

BloodPhilia

@KronoS Hahahaha

studiohack

yes, it is an SE inside joke

@KronoS

KronoS

6:47 PM

aight l8r fellas I'm off to class

BloodPhilia

Bye bye @KronoS

studiohack

later @KronoS

check back for the elections!

KronoS

whips out his iPod and will probably be online still anyways

BloodPhilia

I'm off you guys! :D

studiohack

cya @BloodPhilia

BloodPhilia

7:49 PM

Everyone gone!?

Kyle

I'm still here

DMA57361

I'm not

well, I wasn't, but just finished dinner, so I'm back

Ivo Flipse

I was just ignoring you ;P

studiohack

see VTC

@BloodPhilia I'm around

so is @DMA57361 & @Kyle and @IvoFlipse

BloodPhilia

@IvoFlipse Haha! Well thanks!

studiohack

7:54 PM

that was fast @IvoFlipse ;)

Kyle

I keep this open during my work day for entertainment purposes :)

studiohack

8

Q: Don't you think that it's time for some more Super User shirts?

This is for you Jeff. We're asking and begging and pleading (and maybe even willing to pay) for some shirts!!!! We know you've got to have some hiding under your bed. Don't you think it's time to share with those that deserve it? Perhaps to the newly elected mods, or maybe even all those th...

discussion superuser t-shirt request

go @KronoS! :)

DMA57361

there's only an hour to go... anyone need to change their votes at the last moment? ;)

Ivo Flipse

I'm going to downvote everyone ;P

or suspend @Sathya, see what the gives :P

studiohack

I didn't want to play with it, but can I still change my vote? just curious @DMA57361

DMA57361

8:00 PM

shame you can't :P

@studiohack yep, changed mine twice already :/

(not just now, but since originally selecting them)

studiohack

wow really? that scares me @DMA57361

lol

Ivo Flipse

btw @DMA57361 I finally managed to get Eclipse running as I want it to (more or less)

DMA57361

@IvoFlipse ah, good good, always a pain switching enviroment

Ivo Flipse

but for some stupid reason, I still can't make my figures run interactively (as in looping over the frames of an array)

well the idea would be that if I can make it run in Eclipse, I should have more control over which libraries are being used

DMA57361

oh? you just get a static view of the first frame presuambly?

Ivo Flipse

8:02 PM

and thus hopefully will catch these

DMA57361

@IvoFlipse surely the only libraries being used are those you import? and what they import as well... hmm...

Ivo Flipse

either that or it pops up a figure, that stays white until the last frame :\

well, I have set most of the important ones as built-in, so I don't have to go numpy.array everywhere

DMA57361

fair enough

what are you using for display?

studiohack

> Election closes in 55 minutes.

Ivo Flipse

matplotlib

plt.ion()
for frame in impact.pawprint:
plt.imshow(frame)
plt.title('roll off')
plt.draw()

Kyle

8:05 PM

@studiohack yay new mods! not that there is anything wrong with the current ones ;)

DMA57361

don't know why I asked tbh... I can't help...

Ivo Flipse

oh it takes away the indent :(

DMA57361

@IvoFlipse that's ok, I can see where it should be

BloodPhilia

Lol @IvoFlipse your message is still on top -> hahaha

KronoS

@studiohack I know it seems to be getting some popularity

Ivo Flipse

8:07 PM

I pinned it @BloodPhilia ;P

@DMA57361, funnily if I add show() before draw, it does loop through

BloodPhilia

@IvoFlipse Oh haha I see xD

Ivo Flipse

but I have to kill the figure to see it

DMA57361

.show makes the window pop-up doesn't it? while draw re-draws the figure?

Ivo Flipse

yeah, but show also 'blocks' it from looping for some reason

DMA57361

ah

looks like show is the "non-interactive" mode

not major: but you probably don't need to set the title in every loop if it doesn't change

KronoS

8:09 PM

@DMA57361 @IvoFlipse @BloodPhilia do you think I should put a clause in the t-shirt proposal for other site inclusion? I.e. server fault, gaming, webapps, etc?

BloodPhilia

@KronoS I think so :D be our trilogy T-shirt fighter/hero!

Ivo Flipse

and a problem is the documentation makes a difference between running in the interpreter and interactive mode

any site @KronoS

that's some left over from a subplot, that it was before :P

KronoS

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/77556/…

done!

DMA57361

@IvoFlipse , have you tried adding a call to sleep in there? could be looping too fast to see.

Ivo Flipse

can try

DMA57361

8:16 PM

I think sleep is in the time module, takes a value in seconds to pause execution for

Ivo Flipse

strange, if I don't use show in the loop, I don't get anything until it comes out

if I just put draw in there, it will loop over everything, but won't show anything :\

DMA57361

how about a plt.hold(False) before the loop?

KronoS

Whoops forgot to change the title :) he he

9

Q: Don't you think that it's time for some Stack Exchange shirts?

This is for you Jeff. We're asking and begging and pleading (and maybe even willing to pay) for some shirts!!!! We know you've got to have some hiding under your bed. Don't you think it's time to share with those that deserve it? Perhaps to the newly elected mods, or maybe even all those th...

discussion superuser t-shirt request

that's better...

Ivo Flipse

nope, doesn't help

gives me the last image :P

DMA57361

how about True then?

Ivo Flipse

8:23 PM

I tried putting close in there, but it seems to 'block' at show()

studiohack

look at your p.s. line of your MSO question @KronoS

KronoS

@studiohack I know I made that myself...

I figured that I didn't need rep for a "fun" question/request like that...

I want to earn my rep the right way...

although 9 up-vote is really nice

Ivo Flipse

I'll look at it tomorrow @DMA57361

DMA57361

fair enough, Google's out of suggestions for me to pass along anyway :)

studiohack

> P.S. to you may want to make this community-wiki.

@KronoS: it should be:

Ivo Flipse

8:25 PM

hehe

studiohack

> P.S. you may want to make this community-wiki.

w/o the 'to' in the beginning

KronoS

lol... whoops...

Hm, I seem to have effected change. Future 10kers and mods, please ignore my vote to close. (In fact; +1.) – Popular Demand

Ivo Flipse

To the new mods: welcome to the mod team!

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studiohack

@KronoS: I tried to edit it with the new system, but I didn't do enough "damage" so lol

KronoS

@IvoFlipse have they already declared them

pulling up election site

DMA57361

8:28 PM

erm... isn't it 30mins to go?

Ivo Flipse

I'm going to bed, so I just made a general statement ;)

studiohack

thanks @IvoFlipse looks at him like a psych case

Ivo Flipse

to our future selves

like Arnold Schwarzenegger!

TomWij

T minus 30 minutes... studies further...

KronoS

I hope I go down as the T-Shirt revolutionist of the Stack Exchange site... I'll feel like I've actually accomplished something in my life.

2

@IvoFlipse I see, night!

studiohack

8:30 PM

that was my line @KronoS ;)

good night @IvoFlipse

TomWij

8:43 PM

studies election algorithms for synchronization in distributed systems...

My course slides are distracting me. :-(

KronoS

@TomWij do you think they'll show election results right away?

studiohack

they might, there is only 10 of us

KronoS

becuase they can calculate the winner as votes come in right?

studiohack

anything to pass the time, @TomWij :P

TomWij

No, I think they will publish them once the mods are known.

@KronoS: They have to enter it in the OpenSTV program.

Or maybe import it... And then it would indeed be fast.

But we won't know before they publish, I think the site will just say election is closed until they publish the votes there...

DMA57361

8:46 PM

@KronoS no, because of the iterative way you calculate the results you'd need to start again every time a new vote was added in case it changes the results of the first iteration

TomWij

Next two days are my last exams, gonna be happy Friday.

@DMA57361: It doesn't take much time to calculate it, it's the entry that might take time. But I guess they import a file from the site as far as I understood the OpenSTV software...

DMA57361

@TomWij oh indeed, unless there's millions of votes (there isn't) the calculations should take only seconds

TomWij

Download -> Import -> Calculate -> Publish & Assign Moderator Roles

They probably have the Publish messages and queries ready too, just have to fill them in with ids...

DMA57361

well...

we'll (hopefully) find out shortly :)

TomWij

Yeah

studiohack

8:51 PM

8 minutes!

TomWij

It's either now or in some hours...

studiohack

true...

newcomer

Hi, at first apology for my little understanding about everything and hopefully I am asking this question in wrong place. But can you answer my one question - Is it possible to build a Q&A answer site using SE API which will behave like stack overflow 'in my native language'? (It is Bengali). Thanks for your help

TomWij

> Related, plese read: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/69362/…

2

Unless you are a big institution that can afford paying SE 2.0 for internal use there is no way to run an own Q&A answer site.

Furthermore, SE 2.0 doesn't allow non-english Q&As.

newcomer

Thanks! great to know that :(

TomWij

8:58 PM

However, there are SE 1.0 variants available around the internet which you could change if you are a developer.

newcomer

I am a student. what is SE 1.0? is it something like joomla? that I can change to use in my own language?

TomWij

New sites for SE 2.0 can be proposed on Area 51, although "About Bengali" might be possible (but probably is too specific) the "In Bengali Languague" would not be accepeted.

They are discussing about open-sourcing SE 2.0, but it looks like it might not happen.

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