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12:00 AM
But the multiplication rule doesn't affect our argument, does it?
 
Jon
@feynhat sorry to sound redundant but then is $L(x)$ V and $x$ is W right? In the graph I provided earlier.
 
I think it doesn't, because we have $\{(n,e):n\in N\}$ and $\{(e,h):h\in G\}$, which boils down to the regular product
but in a sense where they are disjoint (plus e)
it's as if we've made them disjoint, is that what you were trying to say before, Ted?
 
@ShaVuklia "they have trivial intersection" are the words you're looking for
 
I was just being lazy actually:p
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBRXMD2m8MU

This is stuff I posted the day it came out and this is 20th time my posts have been on the radio.
 
12:03 AM
but thanks
 
and I render adventadors
brake lights son
 
At the risk of invoking the wrath of @Ted again, what was it about the equation $(n^\prime)^{-1}n = h^\prime h^{-1}$ that meant that $(n^\prime)^{-1}n = h^\prime h^{-1} = e$?
 
Nah, @ÍgjøgnumMeg, you're right that I didn't complain enough.
 
aw
kms
 
@ShaVuklia (h,e) isn't even a thing
 
12:10 AM
I'll start over
oh oops, I realise we actually get $(n,e)(e,h)=(n,h)$. right, then it follows trivially that there is a unique decomposition
 
@ShaVuklia lol
 
Once you write ordered pairs, @Sha, it's like the product of sets, as I said earlier.
 
HEY TED.
Sorry about the other night!
 
@TedShifrin yes but, in the case of a product of sets, we need disjoint subgroups right, for the property to hold that I was initially asking about
so we can't really use that as an argument (unless you were not even trying to use that as an argument, but were just pointing it out)
 
Disjoint, again, meaning trivial intersection. But you have that as well for the semi-direct case. The only thing that changes is the rule for $(nh)(n'h')$.
 
12:16 AM
oh yea, we have a trivial intersection indeed
and $(nh)(n'h')$ isn't relevant to the argument, only $(n,e)(e,h)$, which behaves like the direct product
 
There you go :)
 
btw Ted
I'm thinking of splitting my third year in two years
because I can't keep up with all the math electives in one year, and I was also thinking of joining some social stuff at my uni, and doing a minor in computer science. kind of to broaden my horizon I guess
 
Slowing down isn't a bad thing, if you can afford the time and money. (I guess things aren't that bad in the EU.)
 
yea we are very lucky
 
12:39 AM
guys, I hope I don't come off as too lazy, but I have another question; my book says that $hnh^{-1}=\tau(h)(n)$ for each $h\in H,n\in N$. here $\tau\colon H\to\operatorname{Aut}(N)$ is the automorphism that defines the semi-direct product. It seems to me then that $\tau$ is then automatically an inner automorphism. but err, any hints on why this should be the case?
 
It's inner if $N$ and $H$ live inside some group to start with. But abstractly, it's not, if you have an action of $H$ on $N$ by that rule.
Oh, but it won't make sense literally unless that $hnh^{-1}$ is computed in some larger group.
 
hm, but inner just means $\phi_a(x)=axa^{-1}$ right?, where $x\in G$, for some group $G$ (so no larger groups involved per se?)
 
That definition is for $a,x\in G$.
 
But if all you have is $N$, what sense does $hnh^{-1}$ make?
 
12:43 AM
all we can work with then is the semi-direct product
 
Huh? I'm saying that you need $H$ and $N$ sitting inside some $G$ where that conjugation makes sense.
 
oh like that
right, so that is assumed, is what you're saying
 
So this is why I was trying to get you to think that way an hour ago :P
 
right, well that went over my head:p
 
I thought you were taller than I am.
 
12:45 AM
lol:p
but just to be sure: so they actually assume there is a larger group. I almost can't believe it. why wouldn't my book mention that
but even if I assume that
 
They probably did.
 
I feel like I should still show that it holds?
 
Show what holds?
 
that we have $hnh^{-1}=\tau(h)(n)$
 
That's the definition.
You should write the equation reversed.
 
12:48 AM
they just said that $\tau$ maps to an automorphism, not an inner automorphism, and which one
it's in Dutch, so I can only translate here
ohh
no wait
maybe I've seen something before about $\operatorname{Inn}(G)$
 
An inner automorphism of $N$ would be conjugation by an element of $N$, not by an element outside of $N$.
It doesn't. Unless you mean inner automorphism of the large group (that's what I said before). It won't be an inner automorphism of $N$ itself.
 
right, I didn't realise that the image of $\tau$ is $\operatorname{Inn}(N)$ (assuming the larger group thing)
 
It's still not Inn($N$).
Right. It would be an inner automorphism of $G$, but only considering the action on $N$.
 
yes you have your usual real points and pairs of complex-conjugate points (although i don't think people usually identify them with the upper half plane though..) - and in general over an arbitrary field $k$ your closed points would consist of galois orbits of points in $\bar{k}$ under $Gal(\bar{k}/k)$

but yes that's why things being algebraically closed makes life much easier !
 
well.. I'm afraid I don't see it:( but I also don't want to hold you up too much!
 
12:55 AM
You need to do concrete examples, @Sha.
 
@loch nice
 
alright, I'll read through an example that's given right after this in my book
 
And work out details!
 
1:06 AM
@LeakyNun if you want to see a lot of examples on how to visualise schemes then the book 'geometry of schemes' is pretty good (although i've never gone through much of it)
 
thanks for your recommendation
are the circle and the ellipse isomorphic as affine varieties?
 
yes
 
o. .o
 
why?
@mercio que?
eisenbud :o
the modular guy
 
well a circle is cut out by $x^2+y^2 = 1$ right, and an ellipse is cut out by $(x/a)^2 + (y/b)^2 = 1$ (up to scaling and translation i guess) , so you get from one to the other by something like $x\mapsto x/a, y\mapsto y/b$
 
1:11 AM
oh ok
what is the isomorphism class of the circle?
 
isomorphism of what ?
 
isomorphism class, as in everything that is isomorphic to it
 
if we are thinking of them as projective varieties (take its projective closure), then they are all isomorphic to $\mathbb{P}^1$
 
how can an affine variety be isomorphic to a projective space?
 
oh so i took the projective closure (because this is something i know off the top of my head haha i have to think a little bit if im just looking at the affine variety - although it shouldn't be hard)
i.e. i was looking at $X^2+Y^2=Z^2$ in $\mathbb{P}^2$
(but if you're not interested in this then it's fine - although imo this is pretty cool)
 
1:18 AM
I see
 
what is an affine variety
 
@mercio a closed subset of an affine space
under the zariski topology
 
There's lots of real affine varieties biregular to the circle. Just take $x^2 + y^2 = 1$ and consider a polynomial map $f : \Bbb R^2 \to \Bbb R^2$ such that $f$ has polynomial inverse. Then take $f_1(x, y)^2 + f_2(x, y)^2 = 1$. That's biregular to the circle.
$f = (f_1, f_2)$
 
and what is an isomorphism of affine varieties
 
Biregular morphisms
 
1:22 AM
@BalarkaSen but not many polynomial maps have polynomial inverse?
 
@LeakyNun In the multivariable world, they do, no?
 
check out the Cremona group
 
The essential condition is that the Jacobian of $f$ is a (nonzero) constant polynomial.
 
oh ?
 
In fact the corollary is exactly what the Jacobian conjecture states.
If $f : \Bbb A_k^n \to \Bbb A_k^n$ is a regular function (so polynomial on each component), and $Df$ is a nonzero constant, $f$ is a biregular function (so has an inverse which is a regular function)
$k$ is an arbitrary field of char 0
That's the big conjecture
 
1:27 AM
TIL

anyway in any case over $\mathbb{C}$, the variety $x^2+y^2=1$ is isomorphic to $\mathbb{C}$ minus a point i think
 
Rudin managed to define the winding number without using "argument" :o
I'm thoroughly impressed
 
What's bad about argument
(except if it's argoment, in which case it's invalid)
 
well Rudin himself said that this is the advantage of his definition
> One virtue of the preceding proof is that it establishes the main
properties of the index without any reference to the (multiple-valued) argument
of a complex number.
"index" = "winding number"
 
How does he do it? Using $\gamma'(t)/\gamma(t) dt$? That's just $d \log \gamma(t)$ written without having to worry about complex logarithms.
 
sure, I know that, but still
 
1:31 AM
One way to see it is, knowing that $\mathbb{P}^1$ is isomorphic to the projective closure, then removing a point of the projective closure is isomorphic to $\mathbb{A}^1$. The projective closure of $x^2+y^2=1$ is given by $X^2+Y^2=Z^2$ in $\mathbb{P}^2_k$, and where you see that you have points at infinity given by $[1,i,0]$ and $[-1,i,0]$ (this corresponds to the fact that this is a degree $2$ hypersurface, which intersects a line at two points).

So removing two point in the isomorphism shows that the affine guy $x^2+y^2=1$ is isomorphic to $\mathbb{A}^1_k$ minus a point.
 
yup
@loch can you guess, if you take a real ellipse and look at its tangents of slope $i$, where are the real points where they intersect ?
 
no
maybe i can if i think about it
 
real ellipse doesn't have any tangent of slope i
 
Yeah you can write $(x + iy)(x - iy) = 1$, change coordinates to make it $zw = 1$. That's just the hyperbola, which projects to $\Bbb A^1_{\Bbb C} - \{(0, 0)\}$
 
@BalarkaSen you win
 
1:34 AM
yeah it shouldve been obvious!
 
@loch hmm
 
@loch Haha it wasn't to me until you wrote down the algebraic map to $k[t, 1/t]$
 
I meant tangents of slope $i$ and $-i$
(if you only pick tangents of slope $i$ they only intersect at infinity, which is boring, and at a complex point at that)
 
you and your complex slopes man
 
:s
 
1:38 AM
slipper slopes should be simple to slide along, not complex!
(I'm not a rapper)
 
if you take a point inside a circle you can draw the two complex tangents to the circle going through it, then draw the line going through those two points and it wil be a real line
and then if you take a point on that line on the axis of symmetry of the whole figure, and draw the two tangents going through there, and then draw the line between the two tangents points, it will again be a real line, and it will go through the original point inside the circle
 
Morning
 
anyway i actually don't happen to know a lot about classifying e.g. affine curves (off the top of my head) because people usually just jump to projective curves - probably because to any affine curve you can take its projective closure..

for projective curves though it turns out that genus 0 curves are all isomorphic to $\mathbb{P}^1$ (at least over an alg. closed field, need to check vakil if this is true for all fields..) - for plane curves you have the degree genus formula $g=\frac{1}{2}(d-1)(d-2)$, so this tells you that any conic is isomorphic to $\mathbb{P}^1$
on the other hand if you care about isomorphism classes then you're getting into this whole moduli space of curves thing which is also very interesting
 
Let $\Omega \subseteq \Bbb C$ be an open set, and $\Delta \subseteq \Omega$ be a 2-simplex, $p \in \Omega \setminus \Delta$ be a point, $f:\Omega \to \Bbb C$ be continuous in $\Omega$ and differentiable in $\Omega \setminus \{p\}$. Then, $\displaystyle \oint_{\partial \Delta} f(z) = 0$.
Rudin's proof: bloody barycentric subdivision
@BalarkaSen
 
Indeed.
 
1:44 AM
I'm thoroughly impressed
 
Goursat's theorem is proved using iterative subdivision
 
I wish I had read this book a year ago
this so dank
 
If you assume $f$ is $C^1$ this technicality can be dispensed with in the process of proving Cauchy's theorem
Just Gauss-Green theorem kicks in
Or shall I say... Newton-Leibniz-Gauss-Green-Ostrogradsky-Stokes' theorem
 
don't you need Cauchy's theorem to prove that differnetiable implies C1?
 
That's why I said if you assume $f$ is $C^1$, this can be dispensed with.
Not a-priori
 
1:47 AM
proof that the metric topology on $\Bbb C$ is the product topology on $\Bbb R^2$
 
LOL
 
lol
that's nifty
 
Ideally there should be a bigger square encapsulating the whole thing
Well, rectangle, whatever
 
that's the boundary of picture :P
 
lmao
Fair!
@loch That's very weird. What's the canonical embedding here? The one coming from Kodaira embedding?
 
1:52 AM
@loch right, $\Bbb R$ is all BS, let's just do everything in $\Bbb C$
and forget about the metric topology, just put the zariski topology there
 
whats dat @BalarkaSen
 
It's black metal with lots of groovy organs and keyboards
Growling vocals over folk-sounding tunes which could have come from Ulver, "Bergtatt"
Pretty damn cool
 
oh that is pretty cool lol
 
18 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
Let $\Omega \subseteq \Bbb C$ be an open set, and $\Delta \subseteq \Omega$ be a 2-simplex, $p \in \Omega \setminus \Delta$ be a point, $f:\Omega \to \Bbb C$ be continuous in $\Omega$ and differentiable in $\Omega \setminus \{p\}$. Then, $\displaystyle \oint_{\partial \Delta} f(z) = 0$.
@BalarkaSen now let $p \in \partial \partial \Delta$. Then, cut your bloody triangle to three pieces, two of which has zero integral, and the other one of which approaches $p$
then bloody finish it by ML since $f$ is continuous
 
2:03 AM
That's how the proof proceeds, yeah
 
and then let $p \in \Delta^o$. trisect your triangle wrt $p$, using the result for $\partial \partial \Delta$
 
@BalarkaSen hm i'm not familair with the kodaira embedding - but here when i say canonical embedding i mean im taking the induced map to projective space given by its canonical divisor (equivalently the map to projective space induced by your canonical sheaf = cotangent sheaf = cotangent bundle (which is a line bundle) on your curve)
 
I think that's exactly how one Kodaira embeds. If your variety $X$ admits a certain line bundle $L/X$ choose a basis of sections $s_0, \cdots, s_n$ of this and define $f : X \to \Bbb P^n$ by $f(x) = (s_0(x) : s_1(x) : \cdots : s_n(x))$.
I suppose that's what you mean by "induced", with $L$ being the cotangent bundle in this case?
I'mma knock off to bed now
 
yeah
 
Keep the memes up
 
2:15 AM
So $\displaystyle f(z) = \frac 1 {2 \pi i} \oint_\gamma \frac {f(\xi) - f(z)} {\xi - z} \mathrm d\xi$ as long as $z \notin \gamma$?
 
 
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5:31 AM
It's too quiet
 
shouts
Anyway hey @Faust, @Alessandro, and @Eric!
Lol for some reason this chat sorta shows me who's online 5 minutes ago and then doesn't update when people leave
 
O.o
most people just kinda idle off
they dont exactly "leave"
dont microwave pie
 
did you guys hear about 0celo7?
 
no
he ok>
 
Banned for a year apparently
 
5:43 AM
wtf
what did he do
 
I'll let skull take the floor on that since I've got no clue
 
i can't imagine what he coulda done to manage a year ban
 
Also @Faust did microwaving pie not go well for you?
 
hey mike
@Daminark freacking terrible turned it into mushy baby food
 
Rip
 
5:44 AM
i ate it anyway but was gross
 
Hey @Mike
 
was too lazy to try and microwave other food
hmm seems mikes not who i thought he was
 
seems pretty harsh
he can be a bit of a jackass but i still like him
anyone seen that depressed suicidal guy that was off his meds lately?
i been really sick so havent been on much just want to make sure hes ok
 
i haven't seen him for awhile
 
5:51 AM
hmm ok
 
(months?)
 
yeah me 2
hopefully he just deleted his account again and will come back ok at some point
 
yup, he's been doing that for years
i talked him into going on meds
(if we're talking about the same guy)
 
yeah i heard he was going to try going back on meds last time i talked to him
 
didn't you mention that you're taking Japanese this year?
 
5:56 AM
yeah im taking an intensive course right now
2.5 hrs a day 5 days a week
and a joke math class
 
why that language?
 
mm i wanted to learn german or japanese cause im intrested in both and need a language credit
but german wasnt offered
japanese was :P
 
What about French or Russian?
 
i hate french i know a bit of russain
russains not a pretty language but its fairly straight forward
 
hmmm, also more math related
grad school etc
 
6:00 AM
yeah i wanna goto grad school
got a gpa of 8.5/9 for the last few semesters 9 in the last two so i should be able to get in
 
cool
 
was told needa gpa of 8
to get into pure math
7 for applied or discreete
not sur ehow accurate that is but meh
ima try anyway
 
don't you have to write the GRE?
 
nah im canadian
i dont even know what a gre is
well i do
but not really
 
6:56 AM
in The Skunk Works, Mar 26 '15 at 0:36, by infinitesimal simplicio
A mathematician, a physicist and a engineer are asked by a student what the meaning of $$\int \frac{1}{dx}$$ is.

The mathematician says it is meaningless.

The physicist ponders it for a moment and wonders if there is some way to give it meaning.

The engineer says, "Hmmmm, I used to know how to do that."
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Hi @Dami
I called it, tell 0celo7 about Washington DC if you get in contact with him @Balarka @Dami
 
7:12 AM
If y=(x^2+2x+a)/(x^2+4x+3a) is a surjective mapping, what is the range of 'a' ? How do I proceed ?
 
@tatan so for every y, the discriminant of x >= 0
 
so, I arrange it into a quadratic x^2(y-1)+x(4y-2)+(3ya-a)... right?
Now should I make D>=0?
 
yes
 
@skull So how exactly the engineer abuse that notation, i.e. what is the rule they use when interpret that integral?
 
@LeakyNun So, I have got a quadratic in y and a... now ?
 
7:22 AM
@tatan so that quadratic is always >= 0
what can you say about its discriminant?
 
No idea... sorry
 
how many roots can our new quadratic have?
(hint: what happens between two distinct roots?)
 
y should belong to the set of all real numbers as the mapping is from domain of func. ->All real numbers...
 
so what's your quadratic?
 
(16-12a)y^2+(16a-16)y+(4a+4)>=0
 
7:28 AM
right
 
yup
 
so let g(y) = (16-12a)y^2+(16a-16)y+(4a+4)
 
Okay.
 
if g has two distinct roots, what would be the sign of g between the roots?
 
maybe +ve or -ve depending on whether its an upward or downward opening parabola
 
7:29 AM
well but g is always >= 0
 
@Secret perhaps, infinitesimal simplicio would know :P
 
so which one can it be?
 
one
 
@skull uh that just tag you, oh well, we need a time machine...
past selves are a tricky business...
 
:D
 
7:32 AM
I have a special notebook that allows me to keep track of most of my past selves, so like the time machine of a mac, I can revert to my past selve's thinking and thus understood from their point of view if necessary
 
If g is always >=0 then how can it have 2 distinct roots? If it has two distinct roots then the region between the roots should be of opposite sign than the other part of the parabola... isn't it? @LeakyNun
 
@tatan right, so g can't have 2 distinct roots
what does this tell us about the dsicriminant of g in terms of y?
 
It should be negative... right?
 
hmm...
$$\int \frac{1}{dx} = \int \frac{1}{1 - (1 - dx)} = \int 1 + (1 - dx) + (1 - dx)^2 + \cdots = \int \frac{1}{dx} dx + (1 - dx) + (1 - dx)^2 + \cdots$$
 
It does not have any real roots... so D (of g)<0... this would give the range of y... @LeakyNun
 
7:35 AM
thats not entirely true
 
@tatan well it can also have one repeated root
 
Yeah... at 0
 
so D_g <= 0
 
yep
 
and this would give you the range of a, not y
 
7:37 AM
Typo there... I meant 'a'...
 
grrr... I need an abstract integration, one that has no dependence whatsoever to the measure chosen. I guess that is always defined for constant functions...?
$$\int 1 d \mu = ?$$
 
@LeakyNun You are such a great teacher... thanks ...<3
 
In mathematics, the problem of differentiation of integrals is that of determining under what circumstances the mean value integral of a suitable function on a small neighbourhood of a point approximates the value of the function at that point. More formally, given a space X with a measure μ and a metric d, one asks for what functions f : X → R does lim r → 0 1 μ ( ...
 
hmmmmmm...
Recall previously we have:
 
8:00 AM
Mar 8 at 0:22, by GFauxPas
you mean to say that $\int \phantom{x}^2 d \lambda$ isnt good notation? :P
Thus $$\int d\lambda^{d\lambda}$$ becomes:
Let $dk = d\lambda^{d\lambda} = e^{D \ln (I+(D-I))} \lambda$
 
If say $g_k, h_k \in L^2 (I)$, I'm interested to know if $K : I \times I \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ defined by
$$K(x,y) = \sum_{n \in \mathbb{N}} g_n(x)h_n(y)$$
is in $L^2 (I \times I).$
 
$= e^{D ((D-I)\lambda - \frac{1}{2}(D-I)^2 \lambda +\frac{1}{2}(D-I)^3 \lambda + \cdots)} = e^{D(D-I)\lambda - \frac{1}{2}D(D-I)^2 \lambda +\frac{1}{2}D(D-I)^3 \lambda + \cdots}$
 
how about $g_k = 1$ and $h_k = \frac{1}{\sqrt{k}}$, that should blow up?
 
$$\int d\lambda^{d\lambda} = \int e^{D(D-I)\lambda - \frac{1}{2}D(D-I)^2 \lambda +\frac{1}{2}D(D-I)^3 \lambda + \cdots}$$ which gives some differential operator
We can check that this is consistent with intuition as $\int d \lambda = \int D (\lambda) = \lambda$ by first fundemental theorem of calculus
Now back to:
$$\int \frac{1}{dx}$$
We can expand this as follows"
 
8:16 AM
If I check whether
$$\int_{I \times I} \left| g_n(x) h_n (y) \right|^2 dx dy < \infty$$

Does that work?
 
Yeah, an easy approach to the counterexamples will be something such that $g_k, h_k$ does not blow up in $L^2 (I)$, but does in their product.
and harmonic series is the easiest thing I can think of that can blow up
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Q: Product of two Lebesgue integrable functions not Lebesgue integrable

nateI have a homework problem that says; Give Borel functions $f,g: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ that are Lebesgue integrable, but are such that $fg$ is not Lebesgue integrable. I saw this page too: Product of two Lebesgue integrable functions, but the question does not mention boundedness. I also a...

Here's an in depth discussion that highlighted the counterexample I used
 
$$\int \frac{1}{dx} = \int \frac{1}{1-(1-dx)} = \int I + (I-D)x + (I-D)^2 x + (I-D)^3x + \cdots = \int () + \int x() + x() + \int x() - \int Dx () - \int xD() + Dx () + \cdots$$
where $D$ is understood to act on anything to its right until the next + or - sign
and thus, we have an integrodifferential operator
More generally, provided it is well defined (details to be worked out) a generic expression
$$\int f(dx)$$
corresponds to some integrodifferential operator
The next question we can ask is whether the following result:
Mar 25 at 10:12, by Secret
$$\int^{\int^{\int}}f(x) dx = 0$$
holds for the more general case:
$$\int^{\int^{\int}} f(dx) = \textbf{0}$$
where the RHS is the zero map
 
8:32 AM
I see, so it is possible that $K$ is not in $L^2 (I \times I)$. I was just thinking that is $K$ is, then by a theorem we used in class, I could show that $T : L^2(I) \rightarrow L^2(I)$ defined by
$$Tf(x) = \int_I K(x,y)f(y)dy$$
is compact.
 
 
2 hours later…
10:27 AM
@BalarkaSen hmm, I don't like how Rudin uses Fourier to prove Liouville and maximum modulus...
 
Hello
I solved this question using l'hopital rule/method
The answer given is 8
But I got something else
Can anyone take a look
Ok there are multiple errors in this
Rubber duck debugging works
4
 
 
2 hours later…
12:30 PM
[Random]
Let $f \in \Bbb{R}^{\Bbb{R}}$
$1 \cdot f = f$
Orthodox convention:
$(\int 1 dx) f = (x + C)f = xf + Cf$
So...
$$\int 1 dx () = ? = (x+C) \cdot ()$$
So if $\int d$ is interpreted as two operators in juxaposition, then we need to recover the above expected result
$x, d \circ x, \int \circ 1 \circ d \circ x = x +C$
$x, d \circ x, \int \circ x \circ d \circ x = \frac{x^2}{2} +C$
So:
$d \int 1 dx = d (x+C) = dx + dC = dx + 0 = dx$
$d \int x dx = d (\frac{x^2}{2}) + dC = \frac{d}{dx}\frac{x^2}{2} dx = 2x dx$
Postulate: $d \int = \text{id}$
Then $x dx = 2x dx$ which is false
Therefore the postulate is unsound
 
12:48 PM
The postulate is correct, the calculation isn't. $x^2/2$ doesn't derivate to $x$.
 
$d (\frac{x^2}{2}) = ?$, should't it will be somehow related to $\frac{d}{dx} (\frac{x^2}{2})$?
 
It's $d/dx(x^2/2) dx$, yes. But $d/dx(x^2/2) = x$, not $2x$.
 
ah, I see
right, I made a careless calculation mistake there
in that case... hmm...
$d \int x dx = d (\frac{x^2}{2}) + dC = \frac{d}{dx}\frac{x^2}{2} dx = x dx$
so $d,\int$ should be associative
 
@Antonios-AlexandrosRobotis!!
 
12:59 PM
$d d \int x dx = d (d(\frac{x^2}{2} + dC)) = d (xdx) = \frac{d}{dx} (xdx)dx = (dx+xd^2 x)dx = (dx)^2 + xd^2x dx$
 
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