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5:06 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 5fbb8bc (ArtOfCode: Bugs everywhere) (running on Continuous Integration. If you're seeing this, create a config file with sane stuff in it.)
Restart: API quota is 19969.
 
too much science
but no seriousoly what are you trying to do
 
bugs. bugs everywhere.
declares war on the codebase
um, what?
@quartata well Art said to blame you. And that's why there's an issue ticket open for this on GH
not sure if you fixed it?
 
I already closed and fixed it an hour ago
 
Have you played Hollow Knight by any chance?
 
yes
 
5:09 PM
@quartata ah i couldn't tell. The side effect of broken firewalls at work means NAT is busted :P
so I don't get emails :p
 
CI on e33ccda succeeded.
 
@ltac oookay
 
@ArtOfCode just a warning: your sock is in Tavern, but it can't write there -- you'll get an exception when it tries
use a rooms_custom.yml
 
so clearly the no-chat mode doesn't work
 
@ArtOfCode we have a no-chat mode?
 
5:10 PM
we're meant to
 
@ArtOfCode did we make sure to pass that through with the args?
that requires custom handling IIRC in nocrash?
 
think so
 
touch rooms_custom.yml
that's all you have to do
 
but that's not what I was working on, anyway, I was trying to use it so that it didn't spam here while I worked on other stuff
 
@ArtOfCode it's not passed in. I'll have to rework the arguments logic.
 
5:11 PM
@ThomasWard it doesn't do anything anymore
 
shrugs
interesting it's still permitted in the nocrash.py :P
 
oh, I thought I pruned those
 
nope, line38.
 
oh, guess I didn't
 
but to get that working proper you'd need a kick of all the instances manually
to apply the new nocrash :P
 
5:13 PM
tpu by Nisse Engström
 
yeah, neither charcoal-hq-only or no-chat have any meaning anymore
just standby and no-git-user-check
 
@ThomasWard I did basically just bypass the args logic entirely, since it wasn't... uh... logical
 
CI on 52a98e1 succeeded.
 
instead of persistent_args = list(options & set(sys.argv)), now persistent_args = sys.argv because there's no case I can see where I don't want my command line arguments persisted
 
@ArtOfCode ah, right. well even then it does nothing :P
shrugs
 
5:23 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: Break field by ftdi chip by Mateusz101 on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 52a98e1 (ArtOfCode: We have a log helper for this) (running on ArtOfCode/EC2)
Restart: API quota is 17938.
tpu by Nisse Engström
 
@SmokeDetector tp-
@SmokeDetector tp-
 
5:41 PM
tpu- by WELZ
 
!!/watch xanax\W?plug\W?\d\d
 
@WELZ Added xanax\W?plug\W?\d\d to watchlist
CI on 000fffa succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
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nice
 
Restart: API quota is 17765.
 
@SmokeDetector Have a star
 
5:47 PM
@DJMcMayhem eh, not as good as when we actually got c0ffee as a commit hash
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body: Where to put configuration controls in an HTML table? by pat on stackoverflow.com
 
@ArtOfCode Do you happen to have a chat link?
 
Jan 4 at 12:15, by SmokeDetector
CI on c0ffeea succeeded.
 
tp- by Zoe
 
nice, thanks
Incidentally, GitHub also accepts the six-nibble hash for the URL
just c0ff is too short though
 
5:53 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected: is prom haram if you don’t do anything wrong? by HappyFace on islam.SE
 
borderline
 
I have to agree that they are reparable wrt. the obvious wording that triggered the detections. However, it appears that the base intent is to be rude/disrespectful of the topic. I'd lean towards custom mod-flagging and allowing the site to deal with it as they please.
 
@Makyen yeah, I don't really know what the site policy is but the user seems to have an agenda
did you raise a modflag?
 
@quartata In process.
 
not sure how to word mine tbh :P
 
6:08 PM
@quartata Reasonable to edit the second paragraph of that one to say, "I suggest you just disregard this, though..."? Or should it be left alone and for mods to decide?
 
fwiw mods are usually happy if you just clearly explain what you've noticed. You don't have to figure out what to do or anything, that's up to them.
 
@EliahKagan Well, you can't really disregard it if it's haram
 
"user has two low-quality answers with profanity" or some such
 
if the answerer is essentially saying it's stupid to follow the rules of Islam on an Islam SE site, that's not really ok
 
religion sites have odd rules, out of necessity
 
6:10 PM
@quartata I mean, I agree that most readers would still not consider that advice to be good. But it would address one problem with the post.
 
@quartata but then again where is a good place to discuss the merits of the rules of Islam?
 
@JohnDvorak it is super normal for there to be things that SE doesn't cover
 
@quartata I did not complete composing the custom mod-flag prior to the posts being deleted.
 
It's not obvious to me that all religion-oriented sites would prohibit posts disagreeing with widely held views of the religion. I think that's something for those communities to decide. I would hope they'd accept--in the sense of not regarding as automatically NAA--sincerely written posts that express a disagreeing view. I guess whether or not those particular posts qualify for that is unclear.
 
@EliahKagan Generally the scope of the sites is within the context of the religion. They're not there to debate the overall truth or merits of their religion, any more than SO users are there to talk about whether we should bother with computer programming.
2
 
6:16 PM
Well put
 
I accept that they should be able to decide to limit it that way. I don't think the comparison makes sense. "Don't do that, because..." is a perfectly good answer to numerous programming questions, and sometimes there's no other programming task that ought to be done instead.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Run mail rule on receive to download attachments by Erin Musko on unix.SE
tpu- by Makyen
 
"Do this completely different thing instead" is only a reasonable answer when it's reasonable to expect that the OP would be well-served by the alternatives. If someone wants to know how to do some vector operation in C++ then telling them to use array slicing in python isn't an answer. If someone wants to know how to handle a life situation within the context of Islam, then telling them to try not-Islam is not an answer.
 
Considering that in real life people selectively follow their religions all the time, I really think that's something for each site's community to decide.
You seem to be saying that answers that advise that people not follow accepted doctrines should be universally regarded as not appropriate for sites about religion. I would urge you to consider if it makes sense for you to impose that view on each site's community. Especially if your goal has something to do with respecting religious communities, then I would strenuously urge you to consider that different religious communities have different views about unorthodoxy.
 
6:26 PM
I'm not imposing anything. I'm describing what has been generally decided by religion sites, and suggesting that it is not in fact all that qualitatively different from the way other sites' scopes are restricted.
 
That seems like a better discussion to be had on that site, not in this room. CHQ isn't going to decide those things for that site. On IPS, if someone says "I'm a practicing Jew and I keep kosher how can I ___" and the answer is "don't keep kosher", we're going to delete that answer.
 
Yeah, I agree that these are issues that should be figured out per site, by the people who use each site, rather than assumed for them by others. That's my entire point.
 
Okay, and I agree with that - again, I'm describing/explaining the status quo, not imposing.
 
Yes. I think it is possible that I have misunderstood you. I'm not sure if you're overgeneralizing about what religion-oriented sites' policies actually are or not, but I can see that what I've been saying may not have been altogether justified, given what you were saying. In any case, I didn't actually mean to start a debate here and distract from the main purpose of this room. I am sorry about that!
 
Zoe
6:33 PM
Is metasmoke search broken? It's giving me a bunch of errors when trying to do a search with #2090
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, +2 more: check outwww.supplementmakehealthy.org/thermo-burn-shark-tank/ by user898394 on superuser.com
tpu- by Makyen
tpu- by Makyen
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, +3 more: check outwww.supplementmakehealthy.org/thermo-burn-shark-tank/ by user898394 on superuser.com
 
Zoe
!!/location
 
@Zoe ArtOfCode/EC2
@Zoe Henders/EC2
 
Zoe
!!/standby henders
 
6:38 PM
@Zoe links?
 
@Zoe Among a variety of other things, metasmoke doesn't handle character classes (e.g. \W) in regex. Thus, many regex have to be rewritten in order to be functional on metasmoke.
 
that
 
Zoe
Oh
 
@Zoe For example, #2090 would need to be rewritten as ([^A-Za-z0-9_]|^)(1[^A-Za-z0-9]*)?844[^A-Za-z0-9]*443[^A-Za-z0-9]*3244[A-Za-z_‌​]*([^A-Za-z0-9_]|$) in order to produce similar results. Note that this includes the \b which is automatically placed both prior to and after the regex in the watch.
 
6:47 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: After restoring FTP server in High Sierra, how to log in to localhost? by Mia Cross on apple.SE
 
sd why
 
[:44194960] Body - Position 64-70: Binfer, Position 132-138: binfer, Position 202-208: Binfer
Body - Position 132-142: binfer.com
 
scratches head why is that banned again?
 
@Makyen actually... it does now
limited subset of character classes, but there's some support
\W and \w definitely, I believe \s and \S
 
Zoe
@ThomasWard first post with the domain: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/99507
 
6:49 PM
@ArtOfCode Really!?!?! Awesome!
 
Aye
 
Done by substitution for a [] set behind the scenes
 
Merged SmokeDetector #2090.
CI on 33c54ee succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
 
@ArtOfCode Yeah, that's how I'd expect it to be implemented, but it's certainly much easier than having to remember to manually construct each class each time one is used.
 
ignore me testing something
 
OK so web sockets seem to be behaving now
 
er?
!!/location
 
@Zoe User removed from blacklist (192882 on android.stackexchange.com).
 
@ThomasWard I don't know why it was initially banned (blacklisted), but from those that I recall seeing recently, the posts (answers) have not been actual answers to the questions on which they were placed. Usually, they are posted on questions to which they are only tangentially related. The answers are short and clearly there just to promote the link to the site.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Toxic answer detected: Eclipse JVM configuration by wolf on stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
7:29 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: How to set default values for daterange widget in baseFieldDefinitions by Abigail Tsangaris on drupal.SE
tpu- by Zoe
 
7:52 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating words in body: Deleted Delet5ed Deleted3 by Richard Cullins on stackoverflow.com
 
Zoe
@SmokeDetector v
 
fp by Zoe
 
8:07 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: biochemistry ampk by ghiwa on chemistry.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: how to filter out a section of my web page content by Dotman on stackoverflow.com
 
8:23 PM
@SmokeDetector f (looks like a genuine but off-topic question)
 
5 messages moved to Trash
 
9:08 PM
@SmokeDetector A moderator handled this with spam flags declined. It's possible it was an actual attempt at a question, with bad formatting and poor content choice. OTOH, it's also possible it was spam, under the cover of presenting a question. It contains much of the content commonly in spam: e.g. Full business information, with description, full contact info (address, phone and email), & located in Nigeria (à la Nigerian Prince scam). Assuming good faith would have us categorize it as not-spam.
OTOH, there's a line in there somewhere. I find myself going back-and-forth as to would we want a system level block on it. Frankly, I'm not sure. As it was, it was clearly not useful and was de-facto spam, even if not intended that way.
Cc: @Videonauth @TylerH
 
Well so be it then, i Have actually 23 out of 1800+ flags declined on the network
 
9:43 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer, repeating characters in answer: Adding numbers to arraylist from text file java by uiui on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Zoe
 
10:05 PM
[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci failure on d17e475: Your tests failed on CircleCI
[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on b4e54bc: Your tests passed on CircleCI!
 
@Undo MS needs a deploy when you get a few
 
huh, that's pretty clever
 
@ArtOfCode done
 
10:20 PM
@Undo the query I wrote a while ago for the data explorer, just moved it over now
 
I would be wary of scaling that up
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Sphinx search from text with special characters by Happy Father's Day on stackoverflow.com
 
It's fine if it's only running on autoflagging FPs for 1-3 users
but if you run it as a job for everyone it'll spawn a thread per user and break MS most likely
 
funnily enough
I thought of that ;)
 
heh, had the same thought until I saw it was only on FPs
 
10:22 PM
Right but if you do want it on more users you can get a thread pool
 
(which, theoretically, isn't the only time we need to do this)
 
really though we need to hunt for a MySQL async client
Postgres I know can do async, there's a Python module
 
It's kinda perfect, actually - it runs only on the highest-risk users, and immediately after their flag conditions have caused some tangible harm
Smokey'll post "fp on autoflagged post" shortly followed by "@someone ya messed up, try yo flag conditions again"
 
10:24 PM
we could also schedule it for users with more than one active condition
I think this is better though
 
sd - ignore-
 
11:02 PM
So..... wtf is ampk? And why is it blacklisted?
 
oh hey a @K.Dᴀᴠɪs
so your stickers still haven't made it to Catija yet - if they're not there in another few days, I'm gonna try sending 'em again
 
where is squidge
is squidge ok
 
downstairs
 
youd tell us if something bad happened right
i really do care
 
probably :P
 
11:07 PM
in the space of 8 tweets i have formed an emotional bond
are you sure you didn't accidentally mail squidge with the stickers and the reason why it hasnt arrived yet is because it didnt have enough postage for it
 
given that I haven't seen the stickers in weeks and I saw squidge literally an hour ago downstairs... yeah pretty sure
 
what about spike or undo's simulacrum
 
fp- by angussidney
 
11:24 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer: Are there too many commas in this sentence? by poop on english.SE
naa- by Makyen
 

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