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5:03 AM
@egreg that's common here. Even in Prague, the primary number is sequential by the age of the house in the given quarter, so my house is Chodov 2000+something whereas my parents' house is 1700+something, and it's round the corner. We use the in-street numbering though as well, but it's auxiliary.
 
5:52 AM
@yo' Sounds very odd to me!
@DavidCarlisle You have house names I guess?
 
 
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7:04 AM
@JosephWright yes, street names are trickier, as there were no signs until about 10 years ago and not everyone agreed where one street became the next, and the post office don't insist that any given street is continuous.
 
@egreg @JosephWright @DavidCarlisle @yo': The downtown of german major city Mannheim has a 'square plan' and basically no street names there, so houses are called B1, C5 etc. That's the only occurence of such addressing in Germany I know of
 
@ChristianHupfer Good morning to you and thanks a lot for yesterday. Your suggest work very well.
@ChristianHupfer You are a friend. thanks a lot lot.
@DavidCarlisle @egreg @CarLaTeX @cfr Good morning to you and all users
 
@Sebastiano Ciao!
 
7:20 AM
@Sebastiano Good morning from foggy northern plains.
 
yo'
8:12 AM
@DavidCarlisle non-continuous streets are a funny thing, we've got couple of them, too.
@JosephWright More oddly if you destroy a house and build an appartment buulding in the same place and it has 3 entrances, onr of them will get the old house's number, so then the 3 entrances get numbers e.g. 105, 2377 and 2378
 
@yo' Surely, that defeats the purpose of numbering … except for tax purposes, I suppose. In Norway, the three entrances would become 105A, 105B, 105C. The same applies if more houses are built on a property that once held only one house. Not uncommon in areas where house lots used to be very large compared to today's standard.
 
8:45 AM
@yo' We'd do what @HaraldHanche-Olsen suggests and either give them a/b/... 'numbers' or simply go with 'Flat X, Y Such-and-such street'
 
What fun … if authors numbered theorems, propositions, lemmas and corollaries etc in the order in which they thought of them! Ta make it even more fun (and informative in a sick sort of way), number them consecutively throughout your career. The bean counters would love it!
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I stumbled upon this answer when looking for questions on spacing in the stix fonts. Did you try stix two? Do you think that the spacing for the lower limit of integrals is correct? I think it is too far to the right.
 
9:12 AM
@mickep Yes, I have been using STIX Two, and have not seen this issue. And I don't get that result either … (hang on, picture forthcoming)
@mickep The above is compiled with lualatex on a recently updated MacTeX 2017.
@mickep I should perhaps have mentioned this in my comment on that answer.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I'm using the upright version (and a recent ConTeXt). Hold on for screenshot.
 
@mickep Could be better, i agree.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I should check 1) what version of luatex I'm running and 2) what version of the stix two font I use.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Do you get the same spacing if you add \setmathfont{STIX Two Math}[StylisticSet=08]?
 
@mickep In the input file from that question, yes, with that change I get a spacing similar to what you posted above.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Thanks for testing, then I assume that is a font problem, and I will not write to the context mailing list about it.
 
yo'
9:23 AM
@JosephWright not here. However, each house (in cities) gets a second, street numbet, which id consecutive, and you add letters if you insert a house between two houses. However, e.g. in Paris, there are numbered street positions every X metres so if you insert a house, you usually have a free number for it
 
@yo' Inserting houses much the same in the UK (add a letter). Home for me is an old dead end, now opened up, so our numbering is decidedly odd [numbers run round where the dead end was, rather than having an odd/even side to the road. Confuses people no end that we (no. 2) are opposite no. 26 :)]
 
yo'
@JosephWright that's the square-like system... Well, here you can easily have 3 opposite to 46 :)
 
@yo' It's fine in a dead end (as it's clear where the numbers go): it's the fact we are no longer one that doesn't help (plus a lot of dwellings were demolished after the numbers were set up, so it's a bit of a mess)
 
@mickep It may be patchable. I think it's glyph 983351, but I really don't know how the parameters influence subscript placement.
[983351]={
 ["depth"]=148111.36,
 ["height"]=476446.72,
 ["index"]=1701,
 ["italic"]=52428.8,
 ["next"]=983352,
 ["tounicode"]="222B",
 ["unicode"]=8747,
 ["vert_italic"]=52428.8,
 ["width"]=344064,
},
↑↑ there seems to be way too few parameters to play with
 
9:42 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I guess you are correct, but I don't know how to do this. @barbarabeeton AMS is going to use stix2, right? Do you perhaps know the people who are working on the fonts? If so, perhaps you can pass this info to them (or pass a contact)?
 
9:57 AM
@mickep ↑↑↑
\usepackage{luatexbase,luacode}
\begin{luacode}
local patch_stixmath = function (fontdata)
 if fontdata.psname == "STIXTwoMath"
 then
  fontdata.characters[983352]["italic"]=3*fontdata.characters[983352]["italic"]
 end
end
luatexbase.add_to_callback
 (
  "luaotfload.patch_font",
  patch_stixmath,
  "change_stixmath"
 )
\end{luacode}
(it was glyph 983352, not 983351)
This is of course a rather crude sledgehammer approach, with who knows what side effects. Use at your own risk.
@mickep The STIX Two project has a place to report problems. I don't remember it off the top of my head, though. I have some other issues to report there myself. Will look for it later. Now: Lunch! (Sadly, no duck.)
 
 
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11:04 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Wow, that looks good! (I was also at lunch, no ducks were harmed.) Do you mind mention also this issue if you send a report to them. (@barbarabeeton sorry for pinging you before, it seems that Harald has the necessary information)
 
11:19 AM
@mickep I'll try to remember it.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Thanks. I can also try to check where to report, and write a report. No time for that today, though. Let us both try to help each other to remember :)
 
@UlrikeFischer @ChristianHupfer @TeXnician @Kurt How to translate mark to german? Marke? Markierung? Zeichen? Kennung?
KOMA-manual uses Marke.
 
11:36 AM
@mickep I added a link to this conversation to my main org file. So hopefully, I will remember it.
@UlrikeFischer You're the one who taught me how to patch the STIX Two Math font. As you can see above, I now know just enough to be a danger to my surroundings.
 
12:08 PM
The release notes for STIX 2.0.0 (available in the distribution file) says: Please direct any questions or general comments to the STIX Fonts
project. Bug reports and technical support issues should be reported
through https://sourceforge.net/projects/stixfonts/support.
@mickep And that page contains a link to sourceforge.net/p/stixfonts/tracking which seems to be the real deal.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Many thanks for your investigation.
 
@Johannes_B This may depend on the context. Do you have an example sentence?
 
@samcarter Leftmark, rightmark, markboth ... marks with LaTeX
 
12:25 PM
@Johannes_B Would "Kopfzeile links/rechs/innen/ausen" be too much interpretation?
 
@samcarter The mark mechanism is used with headers and footers, but it is a different concept. Imho.
 
@Johannes_B Then I would think "Markierung" is maybe the closest translation.
(German seems to lack a good word for this...)
 
@samcarter Yep. de.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX-Kompendium:_Kopf-_und_Fu%C3%9Fzeile I decided half an hour ago to go with Marke as well.
 
12:59 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I added a ticket (see here). I hope I gave enough details.
 
@mickep Okay, looks good, I think. (But you could have provided a convergent integral?)
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Haha, it was from the section of generalized integrals. I did not think about it, just took one.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yes, I already saw it ;-). @mickep: It could be worth the trouble to sent an example to the context list. The stix people seem to be rather slow in correcting such problems, and for the other problem (sourceforge.net/p/stixfonts/tracking/86) Hans provided a patch in the fontloader.
 
1:18 PM
@Johannes_B I would use Marke.
 
Hi! Back from SP!
Still sick, but recovering! Thanks for the best wishes, friends! <3
 
1:38 PM
@UlrikeFischer OK, I will send an email tonight about it.
 
1:58 PM
@Johannes_B Depends on the context.
@PauloCereda Do you like the sick duck?
 
@UlrikeFischer it's lovely! <3 And David is still mean. :)
 
@UlrikeFischer LaTeX mark mechanism. leftmark rightmark markboth. -> de.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX-Kompendium:_Kopf-_und_Fu%C3%9Fzeile @TeXnician
 
@Johannes_B The german version of the latex companion uses Marke too, so I would stick to it.
 
@UlrikeFischer Alright, thanks.
 
2:20 PM
@Johannes_B Maybe the term should be explained anywhere. But it sounds good that way.
 
@TeXnician Feel free to edit the wikibook :-)
The LaTeX-Wikibook is full of misinformation and outdated stuff. Instead of basing new tutorials on it, we should update the current stuff.
 
@cfr Can you have a look? VVVVV
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Q: Fontspec and Adforn

A Gold ManI keep getting a strange error when I load adforn with my documents. It boils down to fontspec changing the encoding from U to TU, and then it throws me an error and automatically updated the encoding with defaults. I have solved this by making a new file in my texmf called TUOrnementsADF.fd con...

@PauloCereda Try with Mario Bros on your phone; the trick is dropping it on concrete from about a couple of meters.
 
@egreg ooh I will do
 
3:04 PM
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Q: How to tell speakers that their English is terrible?

PlumpieI just had a lecture from someone who has been a senior scientist (and has completed a PhD, post-doc) at a hospital for already 15 years. So I'm assuming this person is experienced in giving talks in English. However, almost one out of three words was completely unintelligible because of a very s...

This is why the populist badge was invented.
 
This is from a bug in an Emacs plugin.
@AlanMunn ^^ :)
 
@PauloCereda <3
 
@AlanMunn <3
 
3:39 PM
@AlanMunn Once I heard a communication in English: the speaker was Russian and just read the slides with the full text, probably translated by someone else. When a formula appeared, he just hummed.
 
@egreg :D That's pretty funny. Was the talk understandable at all?
 
The pronunciation was terrible, but we could just read.
 
@egreg And did you feel the urge to tell him that his English was terrible "to make the world a better place". :)
 
@AlanMunn Of course! ;-)
 
ooh M&M's
 
3:48 PM
@PauloCereda Poor man's Smarties.
 
@AlanMunn ooh I do not know that one
 
@PauloCereda There are various comparisons online which inexplicably come out favouring M&Ms but this one is pretty neutral. robulack.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/…
@PauloCereda Since chat is largely devoid of Americans I suspect that for those who have tried both, more of us like Smarties. :)
 
@AlanMunn I like the method. :)
@AlanMunn I am biased towards M&Ms since it's the only one I know. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well there's no accounting for (bad) taste. :)
 
@AlanMunn oi
 
@AlanMunn Young grasshopper, you are improving your search in the obscure depths of internet. :)
daylight come and we wanna go home
Speaking of which, one day I was tagging some songs from Harry Belafonte any my CS influence made me write Jamaica Firewall.
 
@PauloCereda I'm not up on my Belafonte catalogue so I had to google that. :)
 
@AlanMunn Number 15 is quite right for eating
 
@AlanMunn :D
 
@egreg Knew someone who'd lived in the Caribbean: they said that a ripe banana should be black :)
 
4:11 PM
@JosephWright Rightly so!
 
Considering that in here we a lot of types of bananas, for me the right range is from 10 to 15.
 
@PauloCereda Hmm
 
@JosephWright Let's find a nice market next year, so I can show you all some nice varieties. :)
 
@PauloCereda Hmm
 
@AlanMunn: why our banana nanica is the biggest of the group? :)
 
4:15 PM
17 mins ago, by Alan Munn
@PauloCereda Well there's no accounting for (bad) taste. :)
 
@AlanMunn you are mean
 
Sep 22 at 20:38, by David Carlisle
Aug 16 at 19:51, by Paulo Cereda
@AlanMunn: you are not mean. :)
 
@AlanMunn oh :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, this is an important point. But for this type of banana, 10-15 is terribly over-ripe for me. It seems @JosephWright agrees with me.
 
@AlanMunn Indeed
@AlanMunn I'm thinking 'banana bread' for those
 
4:19 PM
@JosephWright Yeah, me too.
 
@AlanMunn Ah now I got it. :)
 
@PauloCereda The very small bananas can have very brown skins and still not be overripe, for example.
 
@AlanMunn Yes! We have a red variety here.
 
@PauloCereda Right. They're really tasty. Very hard to find here (but not impossible).
 
@AlanMunn ooh :)
 
4:26 PM
I'm waiting for @DavidCarlisle talking about his banana pizza!
@egreg I'm on the Frecciarossa from Turin to Milan: they serve prosecco even in second class premium!
 
4:43 PM
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I will try!
 
@CarLaTeX didn’t you know? Of course, business class is much more comfortable 😜
 
@CarLaTeX I travel couch, unless they put me in the pet accomodations. :)
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5:09 PM
@egreg No, I didn't!
@PauloCereda :):):)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda News: I probably won't get any payment for the Rio journey, but I still want to visit, so I'm considering how much money I'm willing to put in it.
 
@yo' ooh <3
@yo': Tom, please consider applying for the bursary!
 
yo'
@PauloCereda If I really don't have any funding, I will.
The problem is that I won't get a paper accepted for ICM, and there's no Number Theory satellite it seems (and my funding is in NT).
 
@yo' Oh give me some time, I will ask some people.
 
yo'
@PauloCereda Even a poster would do, actually.
 
5:24 PM
@yo' understood, pal!
 
yo'
@PauloCereda :)
 
@JosephWright: speaking of inquiries to a committee... :(
 
@CarLaTeX vv
 
@DavidCarlisle I was sure you'd find it! LOL
 
@CarLaTeX not "it" singular, there were hundreds to choose from google.co.uk/…
 
yo'
6:19 PM
@PauloCereda How much would a reasonable hotel in SP or Rio cost a night? And how much do flights between them usually cost?
 
@yo' Let me check right now. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Also pineapple & banana :):):)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda I mean approximately. I know I can get a hotel in most European cities at about €80 a night and it'll be fine.
 
@DavidCarlisle Traditional British Breakfast? ;-)
 
yo'
(doing my budget, it seems that there are flights PRG--GIG for about €1000, which is fine)
 
6:26 PM
@yo' A hotel from the Accor group is around R$ 120,00 (~ EUR33), it depends on the place (noble regions like Paulista are more expensive). A flight São Paulo <-> Rio seems to be R$ 180,00 (~ EUR50). Of course, it depends on the date proximity. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda that's very not bad! :-) So it seems that now my priority is early planning
 
@yo' You currency is better than mine. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda yeah, but soon it could get worse, there're some Czexit voices :-(
 
@yo' Oh no, really?!
 
yo'
@PauloCereda well, populism is very popular here you know... And a half-Japanese guy being the strongest anti-immigration and anti-integration voice.
 
6:30 PM
@yo' Oh no!
 
yo'
@PauloCereda but our biggest issue are not these, it's the biggest thief of all shouting "everyone is a thief", buying two major media and getting 25--30% in the polls
anyway, gotta go. Thanks for the input @Paulo and bye for now!
 
@yo' My pleasure, Tom! Fingers crossed!
 
@ChristianHupfer something to please you, @CarLaTeX and @barbarabeeton all at the same time, American Sauerkraut pizza palatablepastime.com/2013/10/12/sauerkraut-pizza
 
@DavidCarlisle I like Habanero Pizza.
@PauloCereda Will you attend the UK TUG meeting this year?
 
@StefanKottwitz Personally, no, sadly. :( But perhaps virtually. :)
 
6:46 PM
@PauloCereda With background n̶o̶i̶s̶e̶ music again? :-)
 
@StefanKottwitz always. :)
@StefanKottwitz: @CarLaTeX can vouch for me! ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle -- aarrrggghhhhh! (i do like anchovies on pizza, but i think sauerkraut is going a bit far. but not as far as pineapple.)
 
@barbarabeeton Sauerkraut pizza is only good with whipping cream.
 
@StefanKottwitz -- which will soon be curdled ...
@DavidCarlisle (please close your eyes, @CarLaTeX and @egreg) -- zagat.com/b/10-most-unusual-pizzas-around-the-u.s (i have never visited any of these places or tried any of the featured offerings.)
 
@DavidCarlisle I can't even look at it!
@StefanKottwitz OMG, I'm feeling sick only thinking about it :):):)
@barbarabeeton pizza with ice cream! Oh my, I can't believe it!
 
7:01 PM
@CarLaTeX -- i did warn you to close your eyes, ...
 
@StefanKottwitz He put an image of Venice in the background with "Arriverderci Roma" as soundtrack!
@barbarabeeton you were right, I'm shocked :):):)
 
yo'
7:16 PM
"Please send me your work in Word rather than PDF and I'll insert my comments directly." -- Oh no, not again! The problem is, I'm eager for this guy's comments as he's a very wise man in the topic of the works... :-/
 
@yo' The reason I do a lot of work in Word
 
@yo' A package for proofreading in LaTeX should be created...
 
yo'
@JosephWright But I didn't want to do a poor typesetting job on an almost-wood-badge course final project.
 
@JosephWright Late revenge: when you comment on or edit Word documents, save it as PDF first and insert all your comments, edits, changes by overprinting with LaTeX, and return that.
 
7:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle Oh yes, American Sauerkraut Pizza, my favorite ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer OK, I have now sent an email to the ConTeXt mailing list, I hope there will be a (quick) fix, as usual.
 
@mickep :)
 
@JosephWright Cheers! :)
 
@mickep -- i've finally had a chance to check this out. styles have changed over the years, but when the specs were set up for the most recent "standard style" for ams journals, the \footskip was set to 12pt (1pc). this started with the 1980 volume of most ams journals, and assumed that the last non-folio line on the first page would be a copyright notice. (cont'd)
(cont'd) looking at other volumes at random, i determined that in the 1930s (metal type, no copyright on every article) the drop was only 18pt (1.5pc). so that is just the way the ams journal style is set up. if there's no copyright on the first page, of course the last line will be closer to the folio. what conditions are in effect for the example you're looking at?
 
8:00 PM
@barbarabeeton Thank you for the explanation. In our example, there is no copyright text, but Mathematics Subject Classes and Key words. One example is on the way:
@barbarabeeton In this particular example, I think the 1 is too close to "Dirichlet". But maybe we are using the amsart wrongly for our preprint version? Or, rather, maybe this was not the intended use?
 
@mickep -- if you don't mind the folio dropping a bit lower, you can set \footskip=18pt somewhere near the end of the preamble. it shouldn't change anything else (i don't see it being used in any page length calcuiation). the ams document classes were designed for the ams environment, which, as i mentioned, does assume the presence of the copyright block.
 
@barbarabeeton Thanks, I will try either to a) add a copyright block or b) add a bit to the footskip. I don't "own" this particular file right now, so I won't do any changes. Thank you very much for looking!
 
@mickep -- the copyright block is produced by \@setcopyright. since you're talking about a preprint, you could fiddle with (a copy of) that, ignoring the series logo (which goes into the upper left corner of the page as an "overlay") and filling the "copyright block" with an empty \mbox to, in effect, leave a blank line..
 
8:20 PM
While we talk about pineapple pizza...
You can buy eel-flavored ice cream in Japan.
 
@PauloCereda ... and sushi pizza is already in @barbarabeeton's list (posted before)
 
@CarLaTeX ooh
 
@PauloCereda And we were joking about Albatross Ice cream ... ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer A nice outfit for John Cleese, almost tops Ann Elk.
 
@PauloCereda Yes, much better than the Pepperpot outfits ;-)
 
8:33 PM
@ChristianHupfer LOL
 
@PauloCereda I remember vaguely the episode where Cleese and Chapman were dressed as Pepperpots and travel to France in order to visit Jean Paul Sartre...
 
@ChristianHupfer There's a movie by John Cleese about annoying people. The cinema scene is marvellous, let me try to find the link.
 
@PauloCereda Annoying people? That's my job...
 
@ChristianHupfer Do you know all Monty Phyton's sketches by heart?
 
8:37 PM
@CarLaTeX oh he does
 
@CarLaTeX I wish I would
@PauloCereda Thanks!
 
@PauloCereda I noticed it!
 
@PauloCereda No, I don't
 
@ChristianHupfer 99%
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
8:39 PM
@CarLaTeX 99,7 percent, to provide the 3 \sigma range ;-)
@PauloCereda A good night ... ding ding ding :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer :):):)
 
@ChristianHupfer THE BISHOP
@JosephWright ^^
/gangster music playing in the background
 
@CarLaTeX Seriously, I can remember many, but not all sketches, and I don't know every line by heart, at least I can't remember them
@PauloCereda :D :D ... I should call the Church Police :D... just in case there's a dead bishop in the yard ...
 
@ChristianHupfer One of my favourite sketches
 
@PauloCereda Martial Arts in Catholic Church ...
 
8:43 PM
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
@PauloCereda !!!
 
@JosephWright :D
 
@PauloCereda I like Lemmings of the BDA also ;-)
 
Welcome to TeX.SX! Please, have a look at tex.stackexchange.com/a/393233/4427, in particular at the image. ;-)egreg 34 secs ago
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8:59 PM
@egreg awww
 
9:11 PM
@PauloCereda When I'll write a paper on tables, this will be there! With due credit to @samcarter. Ducks rule!
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@egreg YAY
 

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