Root Access

@varfirstName I stepped on a certain well-known manufacturer's magnetic, no-accidentally-pulling-your-laptop-to-the-ground cord at the weekend, and it dragged it into... the fortuitously-open drawer below it

djsmiley2k

litterally he turned off an entire rack from memory.

I remember I was at a console typin something

var firstName

Holy shit how

djsmiley2k

and about 4 people looked at him, as he stepped backwards, mouthing 'noooooo'

click wiiiiiiiiiiir

var firstName

yep that's the sound..

you guys ought to see our server room

djsmiley2k

there was like.... 15+ racks

var firstName

3:08 PM

it's beautiful

djsmiley2k

so it was still noticably loud, but you noticed the difference

@varfirstName why so?

take photos.... make sure to focus on the postit notes with the passwords on em

var firstName

hahaha

very funny

bertieb

Quick sanity check, if I may? Is trying to install Win10 from a USB drive on a ca 2007 machine (P5N-E, C2D, etc) an exercise in futility?

var firstName

yes.

bertieb

I've tried several different methods of making a bootable USB (Rufus in VirtalBox, Boot Camp Assistant, dd) but the only one that got close was BC Assistant- though it just displayed a "Booting USB created with Boot Camp Assistant..." and does nothing

djsmiley2k

3:09 PM

Hmmm why @varfirstName ?

does the bios support USB Boot?

if not, ya screwed

tho.... I'm not sure what happens on non-efi systems thinking about it

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Yeah, it 'boots' from the BCA-created USB

var firstName

@djsmiley2k my server bios supports it from 2003, pretty sure a 2007 desktop will be able to

bertieb

@BenN Core2Due something something... will look up model number, 2 ticks- have documentation to hand

var firstName

@bertieb why in VirtualBox?

Ben N

@bertieb Whoops, I didn't realize what C2D was an acronym for :)

bertieb

3:11 PM

@varfirstName Because nearly everybody I saw said "don't bother with $THAT_OTHER_METHOD, use Rufus"

djsmiley2k

@varfirstName being able to, and actually doing it are 2 different things ;D

var firstName

wait

bertieb

@varfirstName Linux machine won't recognise USB drives for reasons I can't be bothered figuring out at the moment (different problem) and only other machine I have handy is a mac laptop

var firstName

CA 2007 machine?

djsmiley2k

@bertieb sadly a great many people on the internet are simply wrong.

var firstName

3:12 PM

@bertieb are you plugging them into the case or the mobo

djsmiley2k

This makes me tempted to try the win10 install on wifes laptop tonight

fresh install, how long is it gonna take? :/

var firstName

Max 3 hrs tbh dj

djsmiley2k

not too bad then

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Truedat, but the "universal SD/USB media creation" dealie (Etch), created to "remove the hassles and pitfalls of creating SD etc on different OS's" recommended using a dedicated tool

djsmiley2k

gotta swap the disk out too :/

bertieb

3:13 PM

@varfirstName Mobo

var firstName

hmmm, can you boot from CD? XD

bertieb

@varfirstName Don't have a CD burner since ages

djsmiley2k

The dedicated tool, recommended using a different dedicated tool? :d

@bertieb get a usb one :d

var firstName

Can you boot from Floppy? :P

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Yup! I didn't write it... :P

@varfirstName Haven't had a floppy drive since longer

@varfirstName Also, if you have a Win10 install floppy...

var firstName

3:14 PM

Can you boot from tape?

Ben N

I've had success PXE booting a fairly old machine to install Windows 10

Requires a Windows Server laying around, though

var firstName

^

bertieb

@djsmiley2k I do have another machine with a DVD burner, but it's currently headless-ish (Kodi) and not sure where my blank DVD media is at this point

var firstName

I have a PowerEdge 2950 that I use for the express purpose of preparing boot media and storing files

bertieb

@BenN Don't have one of those :S Have a Linux PXE/TFTP server, but little Windows

@djsmiley2k As another person on the internet, what would you recommend for creating a bootable Win10 install USB? :P

var firstName

3:16 PM

@bertieb why not use etcher?

djsmiley2k

@bertieb As someone who's not done it yet, I'd reccomend the windows 10 bootable win 10 install installer.

var firstName

wait..

You're saying it won't recognize it

but does it detect it at all?

bertieb

@varfirstName It did a Clippy impression and said "Hey! it looks like you're trying to create a Windows install USB, use a tool designed for doing that like Rufus, or Boot Camp Assistant"

var firstName

oh rip

uh...

bertieb

@varfirstName USB drive created by Boot Camp Assistant is detected by the BIOS

The other methods... not so much

var firstName

3:18 PM

what format are you making the drive using Rufus?

djsmiley2k

I wonder if it's one of those weird bioses where the boot option is under some seemingly inexplicable place.

bertieb

Err, NTFS/BIOS from memory

var firstName

exFAT, FAT32, NTFS?

bertieb

@djsmiley2k If you mean the machine I'm working on (as opposed to your wife's laptop), I have found the BIOS option for removable drives and it does detect one, but that one doesn't work

@varfirstName The latter (NTFS)

var firstName

iirc you don't put install media on NTFS

but I could be super wrong

wouldn't be the first time

I'm guessing if it's not formatted with MBR your bios won't detect it as a boot drive

bertieb

3:20 PM

@varfirstName I had it set to FAT32, but when I pointed Rufus at the actual ISO, it seemed to do NTFS. I could check that if necessary

Avery

windows 10 boot drives use ntfs

var firstName

ok, I'm gravely wrong, proceed Bertie-boy

Avery

@bertieb can you try using mbr and gpt modes?

var firstName

yea

if you use MBR it will most likely work

Avery

mbr won't work unless you have legacy compatibility enabled

though on a 2007 PC idk if you'd have BIOS or UEFI

var firstName

3:21 PM

I'll shut up now

Avery

likely BIOS, so... go MBR

bertieb

@varfirstName Currently using MBR partition map

@Avery BIOS

var firstName

~~try GPT~~

Avery

try another flash drive

var firstName

yea

Avery

3:22 PM

or another USB slot

var firstName

have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in ;)

Avery

driver support etc might be the problem, and I mean it

bertieb

Have tried 2 different USB drives

var firstName

wait

bertieb

And different slots

var firstName

3:22 PM

is this a sandisk ultra?

Nope

what model is it

PNY somethingorother

because I use exclusively my company's flash drives for this

bertieb

Duracell somethingorother

var firstName

3:23 PM

which are kingston datatraveller 3.0s

Duracell makes flash drives?

TIL

Avery

they don't

djsmiley2k

Dear lord

var firstName

do you have any normal flash drives?

djsmiley2k

bertieb

@varfirstName At some point, I guess. Can't remember where I got either of these, but they worked prior to this endeavour

Avery

3:24 PM

it's very likely one of the OEM stuff

var firstName

^

djsmiley2k

@varfirstName My thought's exacttly

Avery

like, "stuff from china with our name printed on it"

djsmiley2k

@bertieb they don't any more ;D

bertieb

@varfirstName What do you class as normal?

var firstName

3:25 PM

Kingston... SanDisk...

Avery

@bertieb just go outside and buy a sandisk, kingston etc etc

var firstName

Lexar..

just buy an 8 gb lexar from staples or best buy

djsmiley2k

10 people like my post inciting americans (including americans themselves) to rise up, and take back their country.

bertieb

@Avery You willing to bet the cost of whatever I buy fixes the problem? :P

djsmiley2k

Whoops. I accidently Civil War.

Avery

3:26 PM

I bet 0$

I'm trying to help.

var firstName

@bertieb I have thrown hard drives because a USB drive has failed from lack of driver support

djsmiley2k

@bertieb I'm willing to bet, you could sell that laptop for less than the cost of a new SD card.

Avery

If you're going to treat me like I work for you, then you'll have to pay me by my hourly fee.

var firstName

OH SHIT DAWG

djsmiley2k

It's 7 years old. it's anyone's guess

the ports could be full of chewing gum for all we know.

bertieb

3:27 PM

@Avery It was a joke, I meant no offence; although it was a bit of a prickly joke as "just go spend money on this" rubbed me the wrong way (poor student etc). I take it back if that helps?

Ben N

Are you trying to install the 64-bit version?

bertieb

@BenN Yea

var firstName

oh shit dawg ^

Ben N

Maybe try 32-bit - perhaps the old CPU doesn't have all the instructions that modern 64-bit OSes expect?

Kinda speculating here, but possibly worth a try

djsmiley2k

I need to create an internet filter

that litterally returns everything as if it's year 'x'

so you can choose to surf in the 00's

and everything is flash and crap

and then, every time someone tells me 'things were better then', I'd revert them to that year

var firstName

3:29 PM

please don't

djsmiley2k

and laugh

var firstName

the past is digusting

bertieb

@BenN Could try, but AFAICT Core2Dues were 64 bit

djsmiley2k

Windows, Y R U TREATING THE WRONG MONITOR AS PRIMARY

var firstName

@bertieb what is your exact cpu

actually, let me put it this way

Ben N

3:30 PM

@bertieb They are, but they should be able to run a 32-bit OS

var firstName

how much RAM is currently in that system?

bertieb

@varfirstName Will pull out the docs, 2 secs

var firstName

I love how we've gone full-on tech support for this dude

bertieb

(on a serious money side note; this is being done on a day off because a good friend of mine lost all their computer gear and can't afford to get anything to replace them; I had an old machine kicking around doing nothing so I thought I'd try and help them out)

Ben N

Avoiding profanity usually helps the perceived tone

var firstName

3:34 PM

Gotcha

@bertieb you got the specs yet, my dude?

bertieb

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 "LGA775 Conroe" 2.40GHz (1066FSB)

Original docs say 2GB of RAM but also a different graphics card so will cehck on the actual machine

var firstName

64 bit instruction set..

Ben N

FWIW here is a set of pages that claims to be able to install Windows 7 via PXE from a Linux server

var firstName

wow

bertieb

Looks like 2GB, aye

var firstName

3:37 PM

hmm

maybe it can't load the installer into memory?

Ben N

That CPU appears to have all the necessary instructions, so that's probably not the issue

var firstName

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bertieb

@varfirstName Not sure? Going to retry some of the previous methods I've used to make sure I've tried all combinations on both drives

var firstName

Got any additional ram you can put in it temporarily

bertieb

I've had issues with getting Windows install media recognised in the past, the few times I've worked with Windows in recent years

@varfirstName Good thought, but none spare

var firstName

3:39 PM

got any you can transplant temporarily?

Ben N

I might have missed some messages, but have you tried the official Media Creation Tool?

var firstName

He doesn't have a copy of Windows at all

Ben N

Oh right

var firstName

Right, Bertie?

bertieb

(Apologies if I seemed a little brusque to anyone (especially @Avery); I'm taking this chap to the shops shortly and hoped to have a status update for him- bit of a stressful time.)

@BenN That's a good thought, I could try that from a VirtualBox VM (running XP), right?

var firstName

3:40 PM

possibly

Ben N

I have some doubts about whether the MCT will work on XP, but it's worth a shot

var firstName

I don't know how well virtual media interfaces with USB devices

Ben N

VirtualBox can do pass-through

var firstName

but on a bit level, i'm not sure, @BenN

Ben N

On Windows at least, the thing is basically directly connected to the VM

var firstName

3:42 PM

You need at least W7 to run the Media Creation Tool in a proper environment

Ben N

I have an ancient scanner that won't work at all on Win10, but works fine passed through to a WinXP VM

var firstName

XP is not officially supported

@BenN really? :o

Ben N

Yep

bertieb

Yea, MCT won't work on XP (just tried). Good thought tho. I have a 7 VM but it's on the Linux machine that won't detect USB drives and so I can't pass it through :-/

var firstName

it won't detect USB drives at all?

Mount it over the network

:P

bertieb

3:47 PM

@varfirstName They show up in lsusb, but not as block devices

var firstName

Mount it over the network..

Ben N

@bertieb Hmm, I think that's OK on a Windows host; does the device show up in the Devices menu in VirtualBox?

bertieb

@varfirstName Can I do that in a way to be able to pass it through to VirtualBox

Ben N

(not sure if there even is a Devices menu on Linux VirtualBox, but it's there on Windows)

bertieb

@BenN That was my thought too, but unfortunately not

Ben N

3:48 PM

Aw :(

var firstName

@bertieb you should be able to mount them like a samba share on the windows machine

bertieb

@varfirstName Sorry, not following. As in 'Shared folders' type thing in VirtualBox? Or passing access to the raw device over the network?

var firstName

just pass the network through

bertieb

From where to where?

var firstName

it should be passed through automatically

bertieb

3:51 PM

@varfirstName The USB drive? To the virtual machine?

var firstName

ok

so plug it into the mac, right?

bertieb

Right

(the mac only has the XP VM, FWIW)

var firstName

then on the Linux machine, in Win XP, map the network drive

Ben N

You'll be able to extract the ISO onto the drive that way, but then you'll need a way to write the boot information

bertieb

^ Beat me to it

(Also, Etcher didn't make the USB visiable to the BIOS, just to keep track of things)

XKCD

3:55 PM

There were traffic jams for the eclipses in 1970 and 1979, and that was *before* we had the potential for overnight viral social media frenzies.

var firstName

do you have a linux VM on the mac?

bertieb

@varfirstName Aye, a basic crunchbag VM

var firstName

mount the physical drive to that via passthrough

god my solution is so ratchet

bertieb

Sure

var firstName

brb gotta clock out

bertieb

4:00 PM

..? Now Boot Camp Assistant is complaining that it needs a "Windows 7 or later image" for the image that it happily used earlier.

Tech gremlins, I swear

var firstName

You aren't making the image using boot camp assistant

*drive

bertieb

@varfirstName This was for the drive I have't tried that with yet; I have the Linux VM running for your suggestion

Working in parallel :)

var firstName

did you successfully mount the drive over windows?

bertieb

I can pass the drive through to the Linux VM, what would you like me to do next?

var firstName

net use K: \\<linux-vm-hostname>\<drive-letter-of-usb-drive-on-linux-vm>$

map it in windows

now get your 10Gbps NICs out

XD

bertieb

4:05 PM

Err, will need to see if samba is installed in the Linux VM

And share the drive

var firstName

well, yea..

bertieb

(unless you mean something else by 'Linux drive letter')

var firstName

I mean the drive letter seen by linux

smb is installed on all my linux machines by default

bertieb

The mount point?

var firstName

yea

default is usually c$

like windows uses C:

yea just make a share

it'll be a lot easier

initially format the drive using Disk Utility on Mac for an MBR layout

bertieb

4:10 PM

(interestingly, Etcher seems to have written the image as UDF, same as dd; presumably that's why the old BIOS isn't seeing it?)

var firstName

oh..

yea.

That REDACTED Guy

4:30 PM

> Hitler was a socialist who hated jews

O.o.O.OoOoO

> Augusto Pinochet's great deeds in this world caused him to transcended and evolve into an all powerful meme form

That sub is satire... right?

rahuldottech

@ThatREDACTEDGuy nup. All serious

It's a subsidiary of the_donald

That REDACTED Guy

I can understand a ~~crazy~~ deeply uninformed and misguided person thinking the first quote is true.

But how can the wording of the second quote not be satire?

Unless the sub was created as satire and the extremists didn't realize and joined it.

> If I had a gun with 2 bullets and was stuck in a room with the inventor of Java, Hitler, and Bin Laden, I would shoot the inventor of Java. Twice.

allquixotic

4:47 PM

CRS-12 Launch Webcast

►

congrats to SpaceX on another flawless mission execution -- a Dragon capsule is headed to the ISS with supplies and equipment :)

everything went precisely as planned

yay

\o/

Nice!

to infinity, and beyond!

rahuldottech

Okay guys someone help me out here

allquixotic

4:52 PM

The Beatles "Help" Live 1965 (Reelin' In The Years Archives)

►

rahuldottech

Some kid from school created an Instagram account.

HackToHell

@rahuldottech on?

rahuldottech

And they've been posting all sorts of crap about other students there

And about school administration

And it goes beyond what is "free speech"

Like defamation

HackToHell

link?

Ben N

Notify the school administration?

rahuldottech

4:53 PM

And, uh, the school cabinet has asked me to "try and hack it"

Ben N

Oh, don't do that

That's a bad idea

HackToHell

And I don't think you can do anything beyond reporting it to instragrram

rahuldottech

@BenN they are the ones telling me to hack it

@BenN I know

I'm refusing

But teachers might get pissed if I do that

Ben N

Inform them that you will not do anything illegal, and point them to the Instagram documentation on what use is allowed

I don't use Instagram, but I imagine they have provisions in place to deal with abuse

allquixotic

What's a "School cabinet"?

Is that students or teachers/administrators?

HackToHell

4:55 PM

Parliament orders @rahuldottech to do a strategic strike

allquixotic

## s/Par/Schoo/

I Am A Bot

@allquixotic Schooliament orders @rahuldottech to do a strategic strike (source)

rahuldottech

@allquixotic student council. Perfects and heads

allquixotic

@rahuldottech Perfect? Head? Terminology parse error sorry

are there adults who are supportive of asking you to hack this?

rahuldottech

@allquixotic uh, board of students elected to act as leaders and moderators

@allquixotic teachers apparently

Ben N

4:57 PM

How directly did they ask you?

rahuldottech

Prefect*

Ben N

The teachers/faculty, that is; students don't really have the authority

allquixotic

@rahuldottech "Apparently"? If none of them have directly asked you to do anything then you can't really do much... A bunch of students asking you to hack something could be interpreted as them just "joking around" and so no punishment would happen

rahuldottech

@BenN "Can you hack an Instagram account? We need to know who is behind it ASAP"

Ben N

And is this the teachers?

allquixotic

4:58 PM

If an adult directly asks you to hack the site or is nodding along in agreement while witnessing a student ask you to hack it, you can go above their head to their manager and get them fired

rahuldottech

@BenN head of board representing teachers and students

bwDraco

#Trump took this long to condemn white supremacists in #Charolettesville. It can't be clearer he has a #ConflictofInterest #ImpeachTrumpNow

Tweeted by bwDraco on August 14, 2017 at 4:58 PM

rahuldottech

I'll ask for clarification about teachers asking

Ben N

Well, no matter who's asking, you shouldn't do it

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