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9:00 PM

Wtf comcast

user image

I only subscribe to 175 down O_o

Is it usually like this?

Yeah

So, how many people are students here?

me

I'm getting my LL.B. while working at my $DAYJOB

9:07 PM

I remember someone saying that a majority of PPCG is teenagers, that does not seem right for some reason.

A rather large part of active users is quite young.

At least where I'm from, activities like this aren't really popular. At all.

By anyone.

At all, not just people my age.

afaik me (@Mendeleev), HyperNeutrino, Christopher Peart, Phoenix (AKA Pavel) are under 17

Can't remember anyone else

Oh yeah, downgoat

o_o.

Downgoat is my age or younger. LOL.

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Q: Draw HyperNeutrino's benzene hegaxon icon in ASCII

In celebration of HyperNeutrino getting back their account and rep, following Mr. Xcoder. Apologies for rotating the picture for drawability. Print or output this ASCII art exactly. You may have trailing spaces and/or a trailing newline. _______________ / \ / ...

code-golf ascii-art geometry

9:10 PM

huh, 20001 rep, nice to see it work out that exactly

Wait, HyperNeutrino got their account back? Awesome!

(the first rep point doesn't actually mean anything because you have it by default and there's no way to get rid of it)

Well dang, how many of those people know APL?

@ais523 *evil laughs*

oh, I just got upvoted

well, it was nice for a moment

9:13 PM

I was tempted to downvote you to get you to exactly 20k (actually I wasn't even slightly tempted to do that :P) :D

@StewieGriffin I'd time it.

except I think DVs are 2

huh, but for some reason I have 19991 rep on Meta

caching

what a bizarre thing to cache :-P

you'd think it'd just use the same number as the main site

9:14 PM

That's what I heard, and it makes sense :P

@ais523 I know, right?

shouldiblamecaching.com

just pull it from the same cache

@xnor Nice :) I like this challenge. Thanks! :D If I made it though, I'd have it take a truthy/falsy value and output either resonance structure based on that, but this challenge is nice. :)

@HyperNeutrino that's a nice idea, i regret not thinking of it

user image

9:15 PM

@HyperNeutrino I think anyone (dupe hammer or not) should only vote if they are confident. If 5 people vote on a maybe the challenge gets closed without anyone strongly believing it is a duplicate.

Looks like it's not caching's fault this time

Advice may be invalid due to caching.

If it's worth closing challenges just in case, then there's no need for someone with a dupe hammer to hold back, so either way I don't think it helps anyone to give them the option to water down their power

Question: is having lone code block useful in any way?

e.g.:

@HyperNeutrino Switch to Arch

9:17 PM

void f() {
    {
        randomCode()
    }
}

@Downgoat depends on the language; in Perl 5 a "bare block" is implemented as a 1-iteration loop, meaning it responds to loop control keywords

@trichoplax That's a very good point. I suppose actually that having a hammer is good because it allows more experienced users to make decisions. Though I think it might be a nice idea to have the option to cast a variable amount of close votes; for example, a gold tag badge holder could choose to cast 4 CVs so that only one more person needs to agree. Not sure how well that would work out though.

SCOPING.

the fundamental problem is that close votes aren't actually votes

because the choices are "close" and "abstain", there's no "leave open" choice

(there's a "leave open" choice in review but all it does is cause the close votes to age faster)

@ZacharyT Note: I just went into Inspect Element and edited the Yes to a No :P

9:18 PM

@ZacharyT I'm still technically a teenager (not for much longer though)

@HyperNeutrino I guess it might be worth making the system more complex if closing was irreversible, but since it's not I think keeping it simple is best

@xnor I know, I'm just too good at thinking of challenges :)))) (lol just kidding :D) but yeah remind me to rotate my profile picture sometime.

@DJMcMayhem Let me guess, 19?

@trichoplax True. Also, is it considered abuse for a person to close-hammer and then immediately reopen-hammer?

(to clear the CVs)

(I would assume so)

@HyperNeutrino I really don't know. I wouldn't expect a problem if they just made a mistake. If it's to stop other people's attention being drawn to it, that isn't much different than waiting for it to be closed first then opening it, since the people who saw it to close it the first time don't have a second close vote.

9:21 PM

@ZacharyT yeah

Impressive guess, considering I state that on my profile :P

@trichoplax right, I forgot about that. Yes, then I think it might be considered some sort of abuse, or at least unadvisable behaviour.

I didn't use that. "But not for much longer though" was the tip-off.

If you see an example, flag it or raise it on meta. It's hard to make a general rule for something that hasn't been seen happening yet though.

Yeah, true. I (fortunately) have not observed it, but I would flag it if I saw it.

I trust gold badge holders to be more responsible than that though :P

(and mods, even more so)

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Q: Should dupehammer wielders use their powers to wipe obviously incorrect close-as-duplicate votes?

Occasionally, a user will cast a close-as-duplicate vote that's clearly incorrect. If that vote closes the question as duplicate, a gold tag badge user in a tag for the question ("dupehammer user") can then, as I understand it, unilaterally reopen it (thus overriding all the previous votes). My ...

support vote-to-close exact-duplicates dupehammer

9:24 PM

What was a mod abusing that power or something?

no

Both groups are expected to be responsible and have an interest in what's best for the community, but both groups are also human...

Stack Exchange is set up so as to maximise the chance of mods abusing their power by complete accident

Yes, human error is always possible and will always happen. Getting a mod/the community to take a look at it wouldn't be harmful though.

But are they @totallyhuman ?

9:25 PM

ಠ_ಠ

If I make a joke about someone's name that doesn't require them to be pinged, I autocomplete then take the @ off the front to avoid irritating them. It's quick and easy :)

Oh noes

Or just do @trichoplax for example

No ping (I think) :D

Why is my name becoming a joke? D:

Because it consists of words

9:26 PM

Can confirm. Mysteriously no ping

that could be commonly used

Zwsp?

@trichoplax I used a zero-width space :D

ಠ_ಠ ninja'd

Ninjad because you didn't golf it...

3

yes

ninja'd and outgolfed

9:27 PM

6 hours ago, by Erik the Outgolfer

CMC: Output a triangle made of a string: Example:

6 hours ago, by Erik the Outgolfer

Input: ABCD

6 hours ago, by Erik the Outgolfer

ABCD
BCD
CD
D

CMC revival?

Jelly got 3 bytes.

sure

Quick strawpoll to prove to my girlfriend that I'm right: should cookies be soft or crunchy?

And your profile picture.

@ArtOfCode If they're only one or the other something is wrong...

9:29 PM

...what

Unless you mean packet cookies

Do you want to cast a @Downgoat ?

4 mins ago, by trichoplax

If I make a joke about someone's name that doesn't require them to be pinged, I autocomplete then take the @ off the front to avoid irritating them. It's quick and easy :)

Add /zwsp to the chat-commands userscript :P

That's what I did

(btw to type that it's //zwspzwsp)

which I typed using ///zwspzwspzwsp

Actually since I'm not Downgoat I can't tell if Zachary already did that. How confusing

9:31 PM

etc

Key sequence: @ (first few chars of name) <tab> Ctrl-Left Delete End

@LeakyNun cheddar: s->|>s.len=>i->print s.tail(i)

@ZacharyT wat

2

@Mendeleev Again, use sandbox to test things. ಠ_ಠ

More puns.

@Downgoat wait, new syntax?

9:31 PM

oh

@Downgoat Dang it. (@Mendeleev's isn't @wat anymore)

@ZacharyT that was never his name

That was my name

@LeakyNun what is new?

Sorry, I screwed it up.

@Downgoat what

9:33 PM

halp such confuse wat

@Downgoat I never knew =>

@Downgoat what u want help with

@LeakyNun oh, yeah, I should add that to the tips page it's pretty useful

y... you sheep

@ArtOfCode In the UK, we have two things called cookies. Small, crispy ones in packets (long shelf life), and large ones that have enough variation in cooking to be crunchy around the circumference but still soft (possibly gooey) near the centre.

9:34 PM

I think my name should be safe from memes (•◡•) (hint: you should try and make a non-horrible joke about my name)

saves like 6 bytes

@ArtOfCode So, have you settled the dispute with your girlfriend yet? (:P)

@Mendeleev I AM NOT SHEEP WHY ARE YOU SAYING THIS 0/10 RUDE

@trichoplax whaddaya mean "in the UK"? I'll have you know I'm drinking a cup of tea right now, in the middle of London :P

@Mendeleev :o How could you! This is meant to be a friendly place! Leave the cursing for, I don't know, other parts of the internet or something! :o

:P

9:35 PM

Am I right: lone code blocks are useless in C

@Riker Am I intended to collect all of those black squares!? Because I stopped looking at them after the first few.

I'm not saying you ca'nt do anything with them

I'm talking about the big ones, anyway

@ArtOfCode I wasn't assuming a location for you, just not wanting to assume the UK :P

but they have 0 useful use

9:35 PM

@Downgoat CAN'T

@WheatWizard You can if you feel like it, but you don't need to

@trichoplax We're a rare breed :'(

@DJMcMayhem Ok good

Is it bad that "you should know better" has been said 7 times on TNB?

@ArtOfCode It's the big ones that shouldn't be all one or the other. They're big enough to exhibit the full delicious range from slightly underdone to slightly overdone all in one confection

9:36 PM

@HyperNeutrino yep, clearly soft cookies are better

And whose opinion was that? :P

Woah. Do sheep and cookies cause this much discussion

@trichoplax I'd rather mine were mostly if not entirely slightly underdone

overdone cookies... blegh

sheep cookies

@HyperNeutrino mine :)

@HyperNeutrino :O

9:37 PM

@ArtOfCode I must admit I like that if they're oatmeal and raisin ones

@trichoplax ...are you spying on me?

I accuse the goat of being a sheep in disguise

OK. I should not get into this.

@totallyhuman I accuse you of being a robot in disguise.

:38333333 well one of us is a computer scientist and the other is an artist... LPT: logical arguments usually win

9:39 PM

Ah :P Makes sense

@ArtOfCode Despite the evidence to the contrary, I persist in my belief that oatmeal and raisin must be everyone's favourite really, and I'm still surprised each and every time someone says they dislike them

LPT: Don't make your profile bio this long

@trichoplax ker-snap. Who could possibly dislike raisins in cookies?

> LPT is the designation of a parallel port interface on some computer systems.

However, if you want ultra-sweet, you can't beat Twix cookies

9:41 PM

ಠ_ಠ

@ArtOfCode Ew

Wait hold on since when did I have more PPCG rep than trichoplax?

how is it that we only have ~130 unanswered questions?

@trichoplax they're almost too sweet for me

@LeakyNun because Dennis answers too many of them

sweet != yum

9:42 PM

nah, sweet's good, ultra-sweet is only occasionally acceptable

@HyperNeutrino I don't think I'm much of a benchmark but congratulations all the same!

@trichoplax :P thanks :P

Poll: what closure style do you like best

I can imagine too-sweet could still be useful for crumbling over things

The 129, I don't know. The other 1 is that GoL Tetris question/

Probably never going to get answered.

9:43 PM

There's also the freecell solver

L⍳nk?

@HyperNeutrino what makes you think that

@ZacharyT you never know (•◡•) (I've answered two long-inactive questions which revived them but I'm probably not good enough to answer that one... yet }:-))

@totallyhuman your face mask doesn't fit properly. it only covers half of that metal face behind it

What no

@trichoplax that's a decent idea, actually... Could work pretty well on a late-season raspberry crumble. I'm gonna have to try that now

9:45 PM

@ZacharyT lol no but actually, the link is here

The stupid logo designer didn't get it right

I told him completely human

Guess what he did >.>

ಠ_ಠ

I found an easy unanswered question :p

Shoot. I was trying to compile a list of users.

Hit enter.

Kill me.

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Q: Trying to Come up with a New Username

My current username, if you haven't guessed, contains my last name. I made a poor choice with it and wish to sort of undo it, but not entirely. I have a fun little quest that may engage a few code-golfers that are bored and out of challenges. My username is "carusocomputing", if you could not tel...

9:51 PM

SORRY PEOPLE.

@LeakyNun ooo where?

@HyperNeutrino you'll see it when I answer it

lol

@ZacharyT throw this in your console: let chatUsers=[];CHAT.RoomUsers.allPresent().forEach(x=>chatUsers.push(x));

I was going to try to beat you, but then I realized that that's not possible because you answer challenges like before they're even posted >.<

@ArtOfCode could you not do let chatUsers = CHAT.RoomUsers.allPresent()?

9:54 PM

no, because the return from allPresent isn't an array

Oh

@carusocomputing, Agronomic Cutups

Would someone get insta-kicked if they mass-pinged>

(I won't)

in all likelihood, yes

Someone got kicked for pinging like 3 people

9:56 PM

LOL.

Sorry about those random pings. I was creating a list of users.

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/240/the-nineteenth-byte

contains a list of all currently in room

Eh, too boring.

I like how you edited your message and still kept the typo in there

> SOrry

Aha, but you can do let chatUsers=CHAT.RoomUsers.allPresent().toArray()

I figured there was a golfier way :P

9:57 PM

Or possibly on the wrong side of the line, but Our Gimp's Account

Still to boring.

DON'T USE let WITH NO REASON!

let let = var

and if you want just usernames, let usernames=CHAT.RoomUsers.allPresent().toArray().map(x=>x.name)

@ZacharyT why?

It's pointless and kills compat with ES5

If ES5 compat is the only reason... yeah, I'm gonna use let.

It's a stricter var, and it's ES6.

9:59 PM

CHAT.RoomUsers.allPresent().toArray().map(x=>'@'+x.name).join(' ') LOL

@WheatWizard the pictures on the walls?

nah you don't have to

they're cool tho

always have interesting quotes

and as you probably noticed, they do show up in a list of what you've seen

I've stopped playing the game. I did not find it very fun. It didn't feel like I was solving puzzles.

a

some get pretty hard later

but yea, most involve lateral thinking I guess

join me in sandbox it's fun I swear

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@ZacharyT Finally, a time when being near the end of the alphabet is helpful...

10:03 PM

but if I join sandbox, it puts it on the side list for two weeks and I can't get rid of it

yes you can

leave it

how

@Mendeleev the little leave button?

wait what

you've changed my life

Let me guess. You're leaving us.

10:05 PM

@ZacharyT opls you can use babel

carusocomputing

@PeterTaylor Agronomic Cutups ahaha? quickly googles both words

So... I'd be the second Wheat Wizard?

Ba-dum-tsss...

haaa i see what you did there @PeterTaylor

carusocomputing

I wonder if that was intended, if so, lol'd.

@isaacg Thanks! I regret going with code-golf, and not fastest code, when I see how much time the computations take... ref

carusocomputing

Gratz btw HyperNeutrino! Why were you removed?

10:08 PM

Age restrictions, 'twas a mistake

carusocomputing

I had a paypal account locked when I was 14 with $650 in it.

That sucked.

1. chat made it seem like I was <13
2. I deleted the contents of my entire profile which was very suspicious
3. Apparently I was reported.

@carusocomputing ouch :(

@HyperNeutrino never mind, not so easy after all

lol

what is it?

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Q: Normalise my decision map

Write a function or program that processes a block of text and returns the new text. Smallest valid program wins. Each line in the block of text will have the following format: 12:34,56 The first number is the line ID, the other two comma separated numbers are references to other lines. In t...

10:09 PM

@carusocomputing I seriously think that's my total amount of money right now.

there are some lines I didn't read

carusocomputing

Well, depending on your age, that's not half bad.

Aha

lol @carusocomputing this never got closed :P :P :P [codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13082/…

carusocomputing

I deleted it

Does it need to be closed before I delete it? I still don't fully understand the S.E. functionality.

No.

carusocomputing

10:11 PM

I'm an oldhead.

Middleagehead?

Whatever.

I was just lol'ing because I found it funny that it wasn't closed ;P

How old? Old for PPCG, or old as in actually old?

carusocomputing

Idk what the context of either implies.

PCCG old vs. Actually old could be entirely equivalent.

Like, give me 10*floor(age/10)

0/10 use 10*age//10

carusocomputing

10:12 PM

Lol I'm 25.

Are you talking about length of membership of the site, or expected age given using PPCG?

PPCG old.

If old.

I'm going off of the assumption given a while back that a large portion of PPCG is teenagers (presumably about as old as @HyperNeutrino)

I'm almost 15, for reference.

Whoops, wrong guy.

@DJMcMayhem's age.

That's what I meant.

lol

10:14 PM

(Holy crap, I can't believe people are YOUNGER than me here!)

carusocomputing

Ah, you can sometimes tell by language preference. Like Jorg who posts near exclusively in PHP, he's gotta be 30+.

Yeah, but on PPCG, that doesn't matter.

carusocomputing

Truth, just always interesting to know the context around somebody's programming preference ;).

Who on earth likes PHP?

carusocomputing

psychology goes hand-in-hand with computer science in extremely weird ways.

10:16 PM

@ZacharyT Jorg, maybe? :P

@ZacharyT Most of the top 10 internet companies?

carusocomputing

Nah... No way the "top" companies use PHP.

Do they?

I know people use PHP, but who actually LIKES the language?!

Programming languages used in most popular websites

The most popular (i.e., the most visited) websites have in common that they are dynamic websites. Their development typically involves server side coding, client side coding and database technology. The programming languages applied to deliver similar dynamic web content however vary vastly between sites. *data on programming languages are based on: HTTP Header information Request for file types == See also == Comparison of programming languages List of programming languages TIOBE index Web development == References == == External links == Kiotviet.vn Using PHP, .Net...

@ZacharyT OK, maybe not likes...

carusocomputing

who_likes(new Language(PHP)) == ['Jorg

Ahhhhhhh sarcastic inline programming, I've failed you.

He does give very impressive answers in a language I consider nearly impossible to avoid errors in.

10:20 PM

And ... you forgot two bytes.

carusocomputing

Anyone who plays fallout: https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13081/59376
Yes/no?

@xnor Do you like my new profile picture? :P

wait i think it's cached

@HyperNeutrino done

@HyperNeutrino Change your parent user (to PPCG)

user image

@HyperNeutrino I see this

10:25 PM

updated already

yey

I forced it

@ArtOfCode oh thanks :P

@LeakyNun the challenge?

(question)

@HyperNeutrino no, my laundry.

oh

or being serious

wait are you joking

anyway gtg make dinner brb in like idk 2 hours or so ಠ/

10:27 PM

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A: Normalise my decision map

Python 3, 226 bytes def f(s): S=dict([map(eval,i.split(":"))for i in s.split("\n")]);r="";L=[min(S)];i=0 while i<len(L):t=S[L[i]];L=L+[t[0]]*(t[0]not in L)+[t[1]]*(t[0]!=t[1]not in L);r+="%d:%d,%d\n"%tuple(map(L.index,(L[i],)+t));i+=1 return r Try it online!

carusocomputing

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13081/59376 yes/no?

magic happened here

carusocomputing

Haha I didn't know there was a sandbox post zone.

That's why I posted there isntead.

> Q: "What's an anagram of Banach-Tarski?"
A: "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski."

from the description of a video by Vsauce about the Banach–Tarski Paradox

o_o

10:34 PM

@ZacharyT It's really more tnb that has lots of high-schoolers

I'm guessing we have nothing better to do with our lives?

10:51 PM

Yup

Don't you have exams or something?

Or am I thinking of someone else?

11:08 PM

0

A: Normalise my decision map

Python 3, 226 215 211 209 182 bytes def f(s): S=dict(map(eval,i.split(":"))for i in s.split("\n"));r="";L=[min(S)];i=0 while i<len(L):a=S[L[i]];L+=set(a)-set(L);r+="%%d:%d,%d\n"%tuple(map(L.index,a))%i;i+=1 return r Try it online!

Look, ma, I golfed it down to under 200 bytes

11:23 PM

nice @LeakyNun

thanks

GTG. Hope nothing happens.

Destructible Lemon

every other second the computer keeps pulling a tab into another window

Patrick Roberts

stackoverflow.com/a/44725616/1541563 I know this isn't code golfing related, but I feel like I found a use for Proxy that can't be done except by atrocious function handle .toString() inspection hacks

11:39 PM

0/10 ew it's SO (haha just kidding we love you too SO :D)

Destructible Lemon

SO is kind of bad.

they have even had a design update and their site still looks crap

Patrick Roberts

I don't like the design update

I just think my dependency injection that uses object destructuring as its mechanism is super elegant

SO meta even has complaints about reverting the button for Review because no one can figure out what the icon is for, proven by A/B testing xD

Destructible Lemon

brb posting answer in sad flak possibly

SO's design looks weird, also it's inconsistent with the rest of SE. :(

Patrick Roberts

@HyperNeutrino I agree

Destructible Lemon

11:44 PM

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Q: Create a stem-and-leaf plot

Related: Validate a stem-and-leaf plot Input A non-empty list of positive integers. If needed, they can be taken as strings. You cannot assume it is sorted. Output A stem-and-leaf plot of the numbers. In a this stem-and-leaf plot, numbers are ordered into stems by tens, then all numbers that ...

code-golf number

let's see if I can do that one

CMC: given a mapping represented by [[x,f(x)]for x in S], and a starting point, determine the length of the loop which the starting point will eventually fall into after iterations of f

Destructible Lemon

actually on second thoughts that looks very difficult

@LeakyNun what do you mean by that; like, the order of an element in a group if that makes any sense?

@HyperNeutrino something like that

okay

Patrick Roberts

11:46 PM

@LeakyNun is that mathematically possible without actually evaluating the iterations until that point?

Hm. I was trying to make a recursive solution but I think that would require taking the starting point twice.

@PatrickRoberts no idea

brb making program

Can we assume that f(x) is unique for unique x?

wait that doesn't matter

Patrick Roberts

lol, if that was true, there'd never be a loop

false

f(x) = 1-x, f(0) = 1, f(1) = 0

Patrick Roberts

11:48 PM

...oh, nevermind. I'm a derp.

lol

Patrick Roberts

I'ma go write my dependency injection package for npm now...

Destructible Lemon

I'm gonna make a hello world

f=lambda m,k:zip(*m)[1][zip(*m)[0].index(k)]
m,k=input()
s=f(m,k)
i=1
while s!=k:s=f(m,s);i+=1
print i

@LeakyNun Horribly long but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ works

Anonymous

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Q: High-rep hammers hamper high-rep humans

Sorry about the silly title - it just sort of happened that way and then I couldn't resist the alliteration. Tag badges are awarded when you earn at least 1000 total score for at least 200 non-community wiki answers with a specific tag. A "privilege" gained due to this is the ability to use a...

discussion closed-questions moderation

11:55 PM

Ah okay, thanks.

And love the title 10/10 :P

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