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3:04 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan Good morning!! o/
@SS Good Answer! :D
Thanks. :)
It took time. But it was easy too.
@SS I think you translated that versE?
@LakshmiNarayanan Yes. ๐Ÿ˜Š
3:10 AM
@SS Can you start translating just one verse everyday? I think that would be nice :)
For Sanskrit Poor People like me :D
Don't expect that I am a scholar. ๐Ÿ™
@LakshmiNarayanan Many of the sanskrit words used in the Gadyam are similar to telugu words. So it is not that difficult.
@SS Oh ok. Is there a lot of sanskrit words in Telugu?
@LakshmiNarayanan Yes. Many of them. During the medieval age, telugu literature got influenced by sanskrit. There were some pure telugu words before that period of which many are extinct now. :(
Present telugu vocabulary has only some words from ancient literature.
Also telugu grammar shares some part with sanskrit grammar.
3:23 AM
@SS It would be interesting to find words from Sanskrit in Telugu that are not part of Hindi or other Languages that are spoken today
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok... Nice question!...
1 hour later…
4:35 AM
I want people's opinions on something. I have written up a question and answer related to Vallabhacharya's Pushtimarga sect, and I'm currently deciding on whether I should post it or not. It will probably anger a lot of people if I post it.
Here's the question:
What are the words of the Brahmasambandha Mantra of Pushti Marga?

As I discuss in my question [here](https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/10174/36), Vishnu is said to have taught the principles of Vaishnavism to four disciples: Lakshmi, Brahma, Shiva and Sanatkumara. And in turn they started the four main Sampradayas or traditions of Vaishnavism: Sri Sampradayam, Brahma Sampradayam, Rudra Sampradayam, and Kumara Sampradayam. My question is about the Rudra Sampradayam, the one founded by Shiva. Currently the only Vaishnavas who trace their origins to the Rudra Sampradayam are members of Va
And here's the answer:
I found the words of the Brahmasambandha Mantra in three books, with minor differences:

1. [This excerpt](http://preview.ibb.co/cFWMna/image.jpg) from Paul Arney's paper "The Bade Shikshapatra: A Vallabhite Guide to the Worship of Krishnaโ€™s Divine Images"

> Om Shri Krishnah Sharanam Mama Sahasraparivatsaramitakalasanjat Krishnaviyogajanitatapakleshananda Tirobhavoham Bhagavate Krishnaya Dehendriyapranantahkaranataddharmamshcha Daragaraputraptavittehpranyatmna Saha Samarpayami Dasoham Krishnatavasmi
So do you guys think I should post it or not?
@Yogi - Thanks Yaar ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ Aare barech diwas mala Tirupati-Balaji baddal ek prashna vicharayacha hota , kaal post kela , ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’BTW -Kasa kai aahes?
Good Morning To all folks ๐ŸŒž๐ŸŒท๐Ÿ™
@SS - Congratulations on nice answer & good score , Keep it ๐Ÿ†™๐Ÿ’
Good Morning @SwiftPushkar
@SwiftPushkar เคงเคจเฅเคฏเคตเคพเคฆเคƒ
@LakshmiNarayanan - Yes Shubha-Dinam ๐Ÿซ
Green tick under the answer looks good. \0/
4:48 AM
@SS - Haha its your pay for good efforts ๐Ÿซ๐Ÿ’ธ
I think reward is more appropriate word than pay ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ‘†
@SwiftPushkar what did you remove?
@SwiftPushkar :D
@SS - That was the same message , I don't know sometimes when i edit my comment instead of change in the same message a new message got displayed same as previous one ,so need to del.one๐Ÿ˜€
@SwiftPushkar Yes. It happens with me too.
5:10 AM
@Yogi - Are Sridevi and Bhudevi same as Laxhumi & saraswati , because in MH these names are not much known๐Ÿ˜Š
Q: Account of the defeated

Manikanta Reddy DI couldn't help but notice but all tales are about the victors. They are always about how the good one, a subjective entity, won over the bad one, again a subjective entity. The voice of the vanquished seldom noted in a sense of appraisal, it almost always describes why they are bad. When Hanum...

@SwiftPushkar Sri Devi is Lakshmi and Bhidevi is Bhumi devi. Goddess of earth
Saraswati devi is not the consort of Vishnu
@SS - Yes i know that , but i was asking in the context of puja i.e. we say Maha laxhumi & maha saraswati during puja . general poojas
@SwiftPushkar In which poojas?
@SwiftPushkar It is the same here too while devi poojas. Aavahana will be the same.
@SS - ok , that's what i wanted to know , - what names they took during vishnu puja i.e. shree devi & bhu devi or maha laxmi,maha saraswati ๐Ÿ˜Š
5:27 AM
@SwiftPushkar It changes with the presiding deity. For Rama it changes and for Ranganatha, it changes. Also the first pooja is done to Vishwaksena rather than Vinayaka.
@SwiftPushkar But all the devatas are invited. Vani Hiranyagarbha, Sachi - Purandhara, Uma- Maheshwara and the parivara of the Lord ie., Ananta, Garuda etc.,
@SS - oh ok , Yes rest of the procedure & mantras are almost the same all over ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
@SS As per Devi Bhagavata and Brahmavaivartara Purana, Saraswati was consort of Vishnu and he sent her to Brahma.
@TheDestroyer Then I don't take it as serious. That's it.
@SS @LakshmiNarayanan @TheDestroyer @Yogi @KeshavSrinivasan - Is there some story describing events and conversation , happened during marriage of venkateshwara & padmavati. For example in Shiva-Purana there is good description of happenings of events during marriage of shiva & parvati. Gods appearing , all are joking , all gods eating etc. that would be interesting to read & any description anywhere else of events happened during Vishnu's marriage with Laxhumi ?
@SwiftPushkar yes. Keshav posted a series of questions about them.
5:39 AM
@SwiftPushkar Yes, that sort of thing is described in detail in both the Venkatachala Mahatmya of the Skanda Purana and in the Tirumala Sthala Purana.
@SwiftPushkar In telugu Bhagavatam, there is a good description of Lakshmi kalyanam.
@KeshavSrinivasan - oh ok ,thanks I will read that ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’
@SS - ok , if you find translation of that do pls.post here ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
@SS take serious what?
@TheDestroyer Those stories that Saraswati being the consort of Vishnu.
@SwiftPushkar Sree answered your question! :)
@SwiftPushkar I think Venkateshwara Mahatmya or Sthala purana of Tirupati might have this information, anyway I don't think it has any importance.
@SwiftPushkar Accha aasaye ka, bas me badiya sadhya free ahe.....
5:55 AM
@SwiftPushkar You can get Venkatachala Mahatya in Hindi from Tirumala Ebooks.
6:07 AM
@Tezz I just found an interesting passage in a 16th century astronomical work called Jnanaraja's Siddhantasundara. Jnanaraja argues that Rahu plays a role in eclipses, because if Rahu didn't exist then there would be an eclipse every month:
@Tezz The only way eclipses would happen every month is if the orbit of the moon lied on the ecliptic plane, i.e. the plane of the Sun's orbit around the Earth. I'm not sure how Rahu prevents the moon from lying on the ecliptic plane.
@SS I don't think removing the word 'Vigraha' (it is more respectful than Idol) is a good idea hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/18545/489
@TheDestroyer - Ok , i will go through that site ๐Ÿ‘
@Yogi But the site is english language site. So using english words is more suitable than igraha. Idol is the translation for Vigraha. We should thik in Broader sense because many don't understand the word Vigraha. I too have respect for Lord Venkateshwara.
@Yogi - Ok , Thik aahe , tu free aahes mahnlyawar aaplyala masta chat karta yeyil , come when free ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
@SS Dude I don't/won't doubt your respect! You are a vaishnava okay forget it
@SwiftPushkar ho atta exams sample
6:15 AM
@Yogi :)
@Yogi - Accha , Aata tension sample , mag kai plan sutti cha ? ๐Ÿ’ผ
@KeshavSrinivasan "It will probably anger a lot of people if I post it." Why it will?
@KrishnShweta - Yeah , no reason for that , the followers will felt left out if they are not included ,and not the other way ๐Ÿ˜Š
@KrishnShweta Because I'd be posting the most secret mantra of the Pushtimarga sect.
@KeshavSrinivasan I think asking about mantras is not good IMO. I also don't like posting the secret dwaya mantra.
6:23 AM
@KeshavSrinivasan Secret? I didn't get :(
@KrishnShweta Pushtimarga people don't reveal the mantra to the public, it's only revealed through initiation from a guru.
Oh... OK..
2 hours later…
8:23 AM
Revisions to Tejaananda Krita TriVajropanishadAntargata [Moderator Tatwam](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35673531#35673531)

He who is Pandya he is Deep and Deep is the light which creates, so his name represents Grandsire Brahma. Also Pandya represents Pa + Anda. And 'Anda'
verily represents the Hiranyagarbha which is Brahma.

He can create sons on his will. He has created a Mind born son(Manasa Putra) after his name. The name is Pandya's bot. So he is none other than Brahma.
@Tezz @Pandya @TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar @KrishnShweta @Yogi @LakshmiNarayanan ^^
@KeshavSrinivasan Can you link that message link into the word Moderator tatwam? I am not able to do it
@SS ๐Ÿ˜€ok will read later , wait for my new answer๐Ÿ“๐Ÿ˜Š
@SS Lol.
His Manasa Putra Manifested through Bhargava..
8:31 AM
@SS Hahahaha
@SS Bhargav Rao wrote code.
@SS haha lol... nice connection...๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€
@SS I think Pandya เคฏเค‚เคคเฅเคฐเค‚ looks good.
17 hours ago, by S S
@Pandya So you are teaching your son words..!!!! Good parenting!! ;P
@SS haha lol... after few years...Pandyas bot will also be automatically able to post answers.... ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€
8:41 AM
@Tezz Why wait for years? He has learned to talk within a few days. He will learn to write answers in few months. :D ;)
@SS Yeah maybe... ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€ @Pandya when will it happen?..
@SS @Tezz We should also know who is Saraswati :P :P @Pandya
@TheDestroyer Many questions, one person @Pandya..
17 mins ago, by S S
@KeshavSrinivasan Can you link that message link into the word Moderator tatwam? I am not able to do it
@TheDestroyer ^^
@SS I think it has some problem. See above messages of Keshav.
Even those messages showed up like that.
But starred messages are proper.
Make Cow as national Animal, Rajasthan Highcourt recommends centre.

@KeshavSrinivasan @SS @SwiftPushkar @LakshmiNarayanan @Tezz
I answered this answer yesterday
@TheDestroyer @TheDestroyer working when I link questions and answers but not when I link for messages.
8:49 AM
@SS ??
@SS Yes. It is not working in chat rooms.
@TheDestroyer It's good that there is a cow slaughter ban has been imposed.
9:22 AM
The judge, Mahesh Chandra Sharma,
Brahmin judge was the reason to ask for banNing of cow slaughter. That's why reservation should stop.
9:35 AM
Hai, could anyone tell me the meaning of chi kum sou which appears on Hindu wedding cards? I tried to know the meaning but couldn't find it.
@Nagendra Are you a telugu person?
It is Chi la sou actually..
Which is an abbriveation of Chiranjeevi lakshmi Soubhagyavati .
@SS lol..i thought why there was chinese on wedding cards.
Now what's the duscusdion going in , i wasn't here let me know ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
9:50 AM
@SS what is chi kum sou?
@SwiftPushkar Upadated Trivajra Upanishad.
1 hour ago, by S S
Revisions to Tejaananda Krita TriVajropanishadAntargata [Moderator Tatwam](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35673531#35673531)

He who is Pandya he is Deep and Deep is the light which creates, so his name represents Grandsire Brahma. Also Pandya represents Pa + Anda. And 'Anda'
verily represents the Hiranyagarbha which is Brahma.

He can create sons on his will. He has created a Mind born son(Manasa Putra) after his name. The name is Pandya's bot. So he is none other than Brahma.
@TheDestroyer kum for kumari. But I didn't see that on any wedding cards.
@SS Yeah. I think in Telugu, we write Chi la sou.
16 mins ago, by S S
@Nagendra Are you a telugu person?
@SS ok.
@TheDestroyer Yeah. We write chi la sou. I think in North, they write Chi kum sou. /cc @SwiftPushkar
9:55 AM
@TheDestroyer - ohh ๐Ÿ˜€ ok , Pandya's bot as his son & he is teaching his bot(son) the word's is really funny actually this can also come true in future . people will have robots as son's & daughter's with actual kids ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
@SwiftPushkar Pandya is referring his bot as a person. Saying "he replies"
@SwiftPushkar haha. yeah. But it still doesn't have Atma. :P Haha.
@SS - ๐Ÿ˜€Yeah as @Tezz said he will soon start giving answers & I think will require a another lady bot as its better half or company for life , so someone strat creating another bot ,which will have different characteristic.
Q: I am seeing Lord Narayana in everything. What does this mean?

Ramkrishna BhandareI am seeing lord Narayana in everything in my daily life. In every particle, in every tree , in every person who I see, in every animal, in every leaf, in every flower, in every food dish, in every computer in my office, in every building, on every road, in every vehicle, everywhere its as if Lor...

Tried to give explanation through shlokas , but not sure what OP wants ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
this is pretty interesting
Your comments about answer pls. do tel if l something is missing or wrong ๐Ÿ˜Š @all
10:05 AM
I'm reading it
@SwiftPushkar Good Answer, maybe add what is next steps to do(with disclaimer) even though not asked?
@LakshmiNarayanan - That would be too bold , i think that's the work of some really knowledgeable person or guru , I can ony quote from scriptures , so better not to comment about the future steps , lets OP should decide ๐Ÿ˜Š
@SwiftPushkar I meant you can include list of possible Gurus to approach.
@SwiftPushkar You have classified the OP as Gyani O.o?
I think he says "if what you are saying is true" in the beginning
@LakshmiNarayanan He did.
10:18 AM
if what he is saying is true, then according to BG, he is jnani na.
@SS - ,HaHa Thats what BG & SB says ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€ Not me
@LakshmiNarayanan - Thats not possible , I don't have one still then how can i advice & without knowing anything about OP or he himself wants that or not .We shouldn't give personal advice on this site ๐Ÿ˜Š
@SwiftPushkar But we don't know whether he had controlled all the senses as said in BG. :)
@SwiftPushkar fair point, but i think there is scope for giving all possible available options for the information he has given.
10:34 AM
@SS - That is not our concern here , because OP is asking about his specific state & I think seeing lord narayana everywhere is equally capable to give one sufficient spiritual enlightenment ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
โ˜• Tea time break guy's ๐Ÿ”™ in 20-30 min , Save your questions & give me upvotes until I come back ๐Ÿ˜Ž
11:06 AM
@SS I'm the Telugu.
@LakshmiNarayanan - ๐Ÿ˜€ I think - "Proceeding straight to the path of liberation" covers all" & he isn't asking for any further clarification , he just wants us to explain what he is experienceing , but still as i said its not completely clear , let him clarify ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’
@Nagendra Good to know.
@SwiftPushkar yeah, let's wait
@LakshmiNarayanan - Yeah and let's have some chat while we wait โŒ›๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘ฅ
@AnkitSharma - it serms yoy finally sucessided in bringing you question to 1k mark & still counting ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
@RohitSinghRathore - ๐Ÿ˜€ Aghori sounds somewhat strange , may be a different related name will be more appropriate (my opinion though)
11:25 AM
@SwiftPushkar yeah \o/
@TheDestroyer @SS @KrishnShweta - QUIZ for u guy's - Where Vishnu says "Telugu" is the best language among all the indian languages? and to whome ? Try finding โ˜บ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ“š
My 10th Popular Question badge \o/
@AnkitSharma -Hurray , Congratulations ๐Ÿ”Ÿ ๐Ÿ‘ฌ๐Ÿ‘ฌ๐Ÿ‘ฌ๐Ÿ‘ฌ๐Ÿ‘ฌ โ“
@SwiftPushkar Venkatachala Mahatyam?
11:39 AM
@AnkitSharma I said you will get it.
@TheDestroyer - In what instance & to whom ? ๐Ÿ˜Š
Haha @SwiftPushkar I will keep changing the name. Btw why Aghori is strange?
@SwiftPushkar I think when keertans are not available in Telugu.
@Aghori Ohh..you are rohit. I thought someone else.
Haha @TheDestroyer Yes. :)
11:43 AM
@Aghori Good name.
Thanks. haha
@SwiftPushkar Did he say that to Padmavati Devi?
@SwiftPushkar Is Sri Venkatachala Mahatyam available in English? I can't find it on tirumala ebooks
@Aghori Who is in your DP?
@Aghori - Because the Aghora worship is not much appreciated in our society now a days , devotion took over Karma-Kandas & tantik upasana (thats not my personal opinion but came to know this from lots of sources previously) and it will make your negative impression among many users ๐Ÿ˜Š
11:45 AM
@SS Kala Bhairava.
Bhairava with dogs.
Can you name this Bhairava @TheDestroyer
@Aghori i'm interested in Kala bhairava. He is interesting.
@LakshmiNarayanan - Yes Chinna jayyar swami version is there ,wait..
@Aghori don't know much about Bhairava. I think Agamas describe him in detail.
@SwiftPushkar Jeeyar
11:47 AM
@SwiftPushkar Actually, the term aghora means dispeller of darkness. A real Aghori is always beyond duality. For him death & birth alike, pleasure & pain alike, purity & impurity alike etc.
@SS - Sorry
Yes @TheDestroyer But I am confused actually, there are a lot of Bhairavas
@Aghori Did you see Shiva Tandav song i sent. Those scenes are from Documenatry of Varanasi.
Best documentary of Aghoras.
But In my DP he is Samhara Bhaiarava. @TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar
11:49 AM
@Aghori Watch Nan Kadavul movie in Hindi.
@Aghori Yeah. I was looking for specific bhairava.
@Aghori - Yeah agree with you ,but what i mean is lot's of other user's whome aren't aware of this will get confused and will look at the username in diff.angle i think ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
So he is samhara bhairava
Chandi is the combined form of Lakshmi, Saraswati and Durga, the ferocious form of Parvati. She is said to be the most ferocious incarnation of Adi Parashakti. Chandika form is said to be extremely ferocious and inaccessible because of her anger. She cannot tolerate evil acts. Chandika does not like evil doers and becomes terribly angry on seeing them.
Samhara bhairava is consort of Chandi ma
@SwiftPushkar super!
11:51 AM
@Aghori Do you know significance of Dogs?
@TheDestroyer Sure, I will watch after few days these movies. Btw, I dont watch movies.
@Aghori it's the movie with Sivoham song.
Hero is Aghora in Kasi.
@LakshmiNarayanan - เค†เคญเคพเคฐเค‚ เคฌเค‚เคงเฅ ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’๐Ÿซ
@TheDestroyer @SS @SwiftPushkar Today's aghoris are mostly misguided. It is not real Aghora culture.
@Aghori Yeah. Also, people have many misconsceptions about Aghoras.
11:54 AM
@Aghori - hmm , I am not much familiar with tantra though but will read in future ๐Ÿ“š
@TheDestroyer Like?
@Aghori They eat dead bodies only...
@SwiftPushkar Sure. Btw, Lord Shiva is looking cute in your dp. :P
@TheDestroyer I dont find eating dead bodies wrong if body is fresh or the human has recently died.
@Aghori Actually, they don't.
@Aghori Oh you are Rohit... ?... ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€
11:56 AM
Well, still this is not Aghora culture
hahaha Yes @Tezz :)
@Aghori - ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€ Yeah he is actually a cute lord , " Bhola" also having innocent facial expression's ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
Yes @TheDestroyer they don't. Real ahoris have nothing to do with eating dead bodies, wine etc. same as today's hinduism being followed by the masses is not real hinduism.
@TheDestroyer haha Saraswati might be Pandyas inner Medhã Shakti (Intelligence power)...
@Tezz - Yes he is the same ๐Ÿšน โชโฉ๐Ÿšน ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
12:00 PM
@SwiftPushkar ;) , I like every form. Above one is also good
@Aghori - haha me too ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
@Aghori I have many photos of Shiva from Deviant Art. I will mail you.
@Tezz Shiva is even beyond Turiya.
Sure @TheDestroyer THanks.
Guys time to take your leave , meet u afterwards , TC ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™‹
Bye, Cya @SwiftPushkar
12:03 PM
First four dps are Lord Shiva, in this room.
Bye! @SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer What?
haha. @TheDestroyer btw is there any god who rides on insects?
or fish ?
@Aghori makara ok. But never heard of insects.
I think insects might be alloted for Asuras.
12:08 PM
This chapter of Vamana Purana describes vehicles of all Gods and other beings.
Yes... Insects are not alloted to anyone.
ab kya kya allot kare. baat bhi sahi hai
@Aghori Insects are so small.
@SS Poor mouse is also small, still Ganesha rides.
this is animation bhai. :P
12:20 PM
@Aghori who knows? Mouse could be big too.
then insects can also be big. :P
I think insects are not confortable to sit upon because they are exoskeleton.
@Aghori It would look like this if insects are vehicles. ^^
baithne mein problem hogi because they are exo skeleton. ;)
Is there any vehicle of Dakshinamuthi? @Tezz @TheDestroyer
12:40 PM
@SS Kid vs Cat
@AnkitSharma Yup.
I used to watch that show a lot
@Aghori dakshina murthy was the gyana avatar of Lord shiva. He was silent and concentrated on teaching his disciples sitting under a tree. So he didn't need a vahana.
@AnkitSharma I used to watch Kid Vs kat and Phineas and Ferb. They used to be consecutive.
@SS Phineas and Ferb was not much of fun, I watch it because there was nothing better at that time slot and it get repeated a lot
1:15 PM
@SS I never meant to refer bot as person. I might be mistakenly wrote he instead of it.
@Pandya He is a person to us. He is your son. :P ;)
You are his father.
@SS Btw, when you first time equated me with Brahma I didn't objected as you used word "Hiranya Garbha" which has profound significance in Upanishads but if I share my personal opinion, I don't like creation. (I like Ajatavada) :P
@SS and bot can't be Jiva anyway.
Are you offended when I say it is your son? @Pandya
I was joking all the time
@SS not only that, I have some objection with equating Brahma also.
@SS no-problem :)
@Pandya 'Oh! Trivajropanishad was only for fun.
@Pandya I will adopt your son bot if you want. You will be no longer a father.
1:31 PM
@SS yes.
1:43 PM
@Aghori I'm not sure whether there is state beyond Turiya or not... but at least I know Tirumantiram discuss about Turiyatta (beyond Turiya)...
@Aghori I don't think Dakshinamurty has vehicle...
@SS actually it's not 'he was silent' ... it's 'he is silent'... ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€
@Tezz Problem with grammar. You could ignore them. I meant the same. :)
:37774642 It was also a joke. You said your bot is not a son. But to me it is a human. I will adopt your creation.
@SS Yes, I recognised that it was a joke that's why removed message.
@SS stole my source to answer a question. :P :P Btw, I didn't answer that question as Op's main question is 2nd question. Why only Kubera has human vehicle?
@TheDestroyer LOl. I answered the title.
But the passage meant he has many other thoughts. @TheDestroyer Parrot etc., are not Kubera's vehicles
2:00 PM
@SS ok.
It needs more sources. I will add them. Ganesha, Kartikeya etc., also have a special significance too. @TheDestroyer
@KeshavSrinivasan Do Hindu Scriptures say Peacocks cry during Sex? People are trolling Rajastan High court Judge for his comments.
@SS ok. Answer is fine. Additional resources are helpful though.
@KeshavSrinivasan dnaindia.com/india/…
@TheDestroyer No the mating in peacocks is common just like other birds.
@TheDestroyer The judge is not saying that they cry during intercourse, he's saying that they cry as a substitute for intercourse. Now I haven't heard that, but I discuss similar notions in my question here:
Q: What scriptures say cranes can become pregnant without the involvement of males?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa that summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read the...

What about cow and bull theory? — Sree Charan Feb 7 at 4:31
@KeshavSrinivasan ^^
> like the cow who gets pregnant by smelling the breath of a bull.
2:15 PM
@SS Yeah, that is similar to the peacock concept.
But all these are practically impossible. @KeshavSrinivasan. Why do you think that those scholars mentioned them in works?
@KeshavSrinivasan Ok.
@SS I don't know, it's confusing. And the strange thing is that these ancient Indian writers say that these are common experiences in everyday life. Ancient Indians must have very different experiences from ours.
@SS This isn't the only example where phenomena we would find strange are described as common in ancient India. For instance I've posted questions about toads embedded in solid rocks, worms born from honey, scorpions born from cow dung, and cats and dogs who fast on the 8th day of every month.
@KeshavSrinivasan I learned that peacocks don't mate by tears lately . A few months ago.
@SS Before that did you think that they did use tears?
2:22 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan I have seen those questions. But I feel that the word alcohol would be a correct replacement for honey. The word is madhu.
@KeshavSrinivasan AFAIK But there were no immense changes for 1500 years. Why would Shankaracharya use that notion?.
@KeshavSrinivasan Haha. Yes
@SS Well, Madhu can mean both honey and alcohol. So I'm not sure which one is being referred to.
@SS Oh, where did you acquire the belief that peacocks use tears?
@SS Forget Adi Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya who just lived a thousand years ago talks about worms born from honey:
@KeshavSrinivasan We know that micro organisms are reproduced in alcohol or a fermented drinks. So it would make sense.
Q: What scriptures describe worms born from honey?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa that summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. (You can read th...

@KeshavSrinivasan Even emperumanar would have used the word madhu. The problem is with english translation.
@SS But that's not the phenomenon that's being referred to. It's not about worms which happen to born inside of honey or alcohol, it's about worms who have no parents who are literally generated from honey or alcohol itself.
@SS And by the way, we can go even more recent than Ramanujacharya. Arulnandi Sivacharya, who was a shishya of the 13th century philosopher Meykandar, speaks of toads in solid rock:
Q: What scriptures describe toads being found in the heart of solid rocks?

Keshav SrinivasanThe term "Shaivite" is overused nowadays. For instance, Iyer Brahmins are often called Shaivites, but they're actually followers of Adi Shankaracharya's Smartha sect (which I discuss here and here), and simply adopt Shiva as their Ishta Devata. True philosophical Shaivism is relatively rare nowad...

2:32 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan Yes. I understand it. They are not generated because they were always there.
Entombed animals are animals reportedly found alive after being encased in solid rock, or coal or wood, for an indeterminate amount of time. The accounts usually involve frogs or toads. The reputed phenomenon, sometimes called "toad in the hole", has been dismissed by mainstream science, but has remained a topic of interest to Fortean researchers. == Reports == References to entombed animals have appeared in the writings of William of Newburgh, J. G. Wood, Ambroise Paré, Robert Plot, André Marie Constant Duméril, John Wesley, and others. Even Charles Dickens mentioned the phenomenon in his journal...
@SS I have found references to toads encased in solid rock as recently as the 1800's in England.
@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. you linked some 18o0's journal. Seen that too. :)
@SS When Charles Darwin first came up with his theory of evolution, Christian priests tried to use the example of toads encased in solid rocks in order to disprove his theory.
@SS I don't understand how such a phenomenon is documented in so many cultures and time periods.
@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. It's fascinating.
@SS By the way, before the judge's comment where did you hear about peacocks and tears?
2:39 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh! I forgot to reply to that message. Apologies.
@KeshavSrinivasan I heard it in a religious speech about the celibacy of Kartikeya and Explainig Askalita Brahmacharya of Krishna. It was said that the peacock vehicle symbolises the celibacy of Kartikeya like that of the peacock.
@SS Oh ok
@SS OK, I finally found a reference to this notion: "There is a mythological belief (albeit false) that peacocks do not use sex for reproduction but rather, the peahen drinks the tears of the peacock to conceive. Thus, Krishna is as pure as a peacock and that is what the feather signifies." india.com/news/india/…
@SS I found another reference: "When the Peacock (male) dances spreading its feathers the Pea hen(female peacock) gets attracted by it and comes to the male partner. At that time tears come in the eyes of the male peacock, the female picks them up , due to that it gets pregnant and delivers new ones. So there is no physical sex in Peacocks for reproduction. Thus Peacock is pure through out the 5000 year drama. Shri Krishna is the first purest soul on earth , that is why peacock feather is kept in Krishna's crown."
@SS Now I'm getting curious, I think I'll post a question on it.
@SS It looks like Kalidasa mentions this in his Meghaduta: "Kalidas has described this in his famous โ€˜Meghdootโ€™. The peahen drinks the tears of the peacock and thus achieves the reproduction., which is why the peacock is deemed to be a sacred bird." vedpradip.com/articlefiles/1453200992.pdf
@SS Oh no, never mind, I think I misread the statement. It's saying Kalidasa mentions the cranes becoming pregnant thing, which I already knew about, not the peacock thing.
3:14 PM
@SS I found another reference to it: "Peacock is even today considered the National Bird of India. Why is it considered so? Why is not any other bird taken as the example. Any other bird could have been chosen as the national bird. Because, all other birds procreate by sexual contact. Only Peacock (male) is such an unusual bird. That the peahen (morni ) swallows the tear drops of the Peacock ( mor ) dancing in stately courtship around her. Then the peahen becomes pregnant. It shows that even today the example of such a bird prevails in this creation. And that same bird is considered as the
@SS But I want to find some ancient reference to it.
3:32 PM
@TheDestroyer @SS I just posted a question on it:
Q: What scriptures describing peacocks producing children through tears?

Keshav SrinivasanA Rajasthan judge recently made the following statement: Peacock is a Bramhachari and it does not have sex with a peahen. The peahen gets pregnant drinking the tears of the peacock. Even lord Krishna carried the feather of a peacock on his head. The judge was roundly mocked for this, but I ...

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3:56 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan Looks like judge has sound knowledge in Hindu Scriptures.
He also suggested to declare Cow as National Animal.

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