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@SergiyKolodyazhnyy We already do.

@NathanOsman can i have ro for 30 seconds to kick serg?

I can't figure out if this is me being incapable as programmer, or the project being hard.

are you remembering to comment your code?

For the most part, yes

That doesn't help, though

like . . .I've deleted my code over and over like 5 times already

and i think i need a break again, or i might throw my laptop accross the library floor

It all started out well - I got sequence detector module for all 10 switches to request elevator to respective floors. I got the elevator car module, which is just basically up/down counter from its current position to whatever is the destination. Problem is that i cannot tie them together

I can set LED for respective floor (which is again, just 10 bit array, for each floor),but i can't seem to figure out how to let the elevator car module to which floor to move

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I've rewritten NitroShare from scratch three times.

Trust me, that's a sign of a good programmer.

12:15 AM

@NathanOsman well . . . yes . . except NitroShare works . . .

I mean, moving the elevator car to at least one request - that's just the minimum requirement at this point. I probably won't have enough time to make it move to the closest floor

Well, at least something has finally compiled

This project is supposed to be 10% of the grade. If I manage to get up to 5%, I should be fine. Even if I fail, I should be OK

12:39 AM

> 79. Google Nexus 5X (bullhead) 1 rating 1.00 ★
80. LGE LG Zero (c100) 1 rating 1.00 ★
81. LGE LG G3 (g3) 1 rating 1.00 ★

what is it with LG users and ratings?

LG has not done well in the phone market recently Zach. You of all people should know that ;)

but that's no reason for owners to give low ratings

without reviews I might add

@Seth and don't you have a Nexus 5X? >_>

@TheWanderer yep.. Unfortunately its issues didn't become big until after I got it.

hue

I think the G6 will really help LG though

@TheWanderer yes there is. Their phone died and LG told them off.

12:42 AM

lol

@TheWanderer Haha. I know too many LG G4, 5X, and V10 users that will never buy LG again. Myself included.

Well maybe not never but we'll certainly wait a few releases and see what happens.

@Seth Same goes for Samsung

@TheWanderer eh, Samsung addressed their issue properly. I would buy Samsung.

Issues are going to happen. It's how those are addressed that matters.

they did do really well with that recall

although I'm still not sure about the re-release

and to be fair, they didn't really have a choice

LG's phones are bootlooping; no direct safety hazard there. Samsung's decided to spontaneously combust; lots of laws

Whoa Harrison Ford is in the new Blade Runner movie?

@TheWanderer sure. And maybe Samsung would have done the same thing in LG's place, but they're not.

12:47 AM

it looks like Vivo removed the WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS permission from its devices o_O

@TheWanderer actually, there is a safety hazard.

@KazWolfe direct

Yes.

It's the same reason why every phone on a PBX must be able to dial 911 directly under the law.

that's why I said direct

if your phone isn't working and you need to call 911, that's a safety hazard, but it isn't the phone causing it directly

but the manufacturer is still legally responsible for screwing up.

12:49 AM

you're already in a dangerous situation and your phone is just unable to help you when it should

yeah, your point that bootloops do not cause an immediate and direct safety risk is correct.

so why are we arguing?

I put that in there deliberately you know

Because it's still a safety hazard.

actually, direct safety hazard: NSA can't track you.

I mean, theoretically, if your phone was controlling some critical infrastructure or something, bootloops would be a direct danger, but I think those cases are rare.

I hope I don't have to retake this class. And if I do . . . well, I'm going to curse so much

@NathanOsman I've been one since forever

1:01 AM

meanwhile over in independent country...

Yay, my elevator went to 31'st floor after 0's floor . . . ^_^ . . . cramp

^ from 27th of december

I'm crazy enough to support open borders so...

meanwhile...

wat is this

@TheWanderer Ask using proper grammar and I may tell you.

1:10 AM

that is proper grammar

"wat" is not proper grammar.

"wat" is not a word.

Questions are supposed to end with a question mark.

spelling != grammar

spelling is a part of grammar.

^

Q: Do capitalization and punctuation fall under the category of grammar?

> Specifically, spelling, punctuation and capitalization are known as mechanics. Paragraphing is also included in mechanics. Other conventions include word usage and sentence formation (structure). Grammar is purely about sentence formation

dafuq

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I've just read something that implied that capitalization falls under the category of grammar. After looking at the definition ("the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general..etc"), i think he may be right, but.. I feel like i've only ever heard "grammar" used to refer...

1:11 AM

"Grammar" defines use of (and the rules of) language. That includes spelling.

that answer directly contradicts you

and you have no backing

gram·mar (ˈɡramər/), noun
the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics.

quora.com/Are-spelling-and-grammar-the-same

That's quora.

Since when is Quora considered a reliable source?

system and structure of language doesn't include spelling

1:13 AM

Structure of language very much does.

Languages are structured around concepts. Which, in the English language, are words. Those words themselves are structured out of individual sounds (or grouping of sounds) that much be in the right order for the concept to make sense.

so far I've only seen you cite an unclear definition

I've cited two sources expliticly saying it is not, by searching "is spelling grammar"

Grammar is like syntax in programming , I guess. Spelling is sort of there,too, but it evolves.

Oxford Dictionary - en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/grammar.

I'm too brain dead for this discussion

But what I can spell for sure is the word "quit". I quit . . .

@KazWolfe can you give me something that actually says spelling is part of grammar?

because I don't think that definition includes spelling

1:19 AM

See above.

Phonology is considered part of grammar. Spelling is a way of expressing how to say a word. Therefore, spelling is phonology is grammar.

nothing there states explicitly that spelling is part of grammar

Of course, all of these imply the common definitions. If you want to be completely pedantic, spelling and grammar are both part of orthography, which is what most consider to be "grammar" in the modern sense.

grammar meaning verbs grammaticality word-choice etymology single-word-requests

you're contradicting an English major you know

John Lawler, Bellingham WA

74k 6 101 244

I contradict CS majors on a daily basis.

Contradiction does not mean I am incorrect.

who taught at the University of Michigan

@KazWolfe but all you have is something you believe means spelling is part of grammar, when it doesn't say it is

1:22 AM

And what do you have?

Why am I still doing this ?

The beliefs of others.

I've only 30 minutes before my final

I have an English major who has written several books explicitly saying it is not

You have his beliefs.

Android Dev

1:23 AM

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Then what you you doing here? :P

I'm more inclined to trust the direct word of a professor than some random internet user's interpretation of a definition

said "random internet user" is currently in the middle of studying linguistics.

in the middle of

OK

but you have no solid evidence

at all

and credentials mean a lot

No they don't. I know a bunch of people with PhDs who are complete idiots in their field.

@AndroidDev complaining . . .doing Freudian self talk

1:24 AM

Also, as I see you want to be pedantic...

Consoling myself

Do you consider capitalization and punctuation to be part of grammar?

there are flat earthers with PhDs

credentials don't mean shit

@KazWolfe no

@Avery so I should believe that random guy who lives across the street shouting that vaccines cause autism

And what Google search did you run to get that answer?

1:25 AM

OK

@KazWolfe "Is spelling part of grammar"

Hey, those people have PhDs as well.

literally that

@TheWanderer "President of United States is a credential". And he says that. So you'll believe him too?

That is not what I asked.

1 min ago, by Kaz Wolfe

Do you consider capitalization and punctuation to be part of grammar?

@Avery how would you like to have your doctor not have a degree ? Funny how credentials matter when your life depends on it

1:26 AM

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy all the doctors I visited in last 5 years were idiots.

@KazWolfe that English.SE answer is the first result

but there's also this katherinewikoff.com/2012/10/18/…

another English professor

When you go talk about an issue with a doctor, they shouldn't try to scare you off

The pedantry is strong with this one.

when you go talking with your therapist, they shouldn't make sexist statements

but they do

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@Avery welp, shouting loudly into crowd everybody is an idiot will get you nowhere. Also, watch the language, please

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Need some ideas here. I was using something along the lines of if $[$x-$y>1500] then etc.... to detect the size of the changes to a file. I've realized that won't work as the files sizes could increase or decrease which could result in a negative number. Is there a way to use absolute value ...

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BAAAAAH. My freaking elevator only goes to second floor, ignores the request for third. Frick

I give up

Watch the language please.

come on Kaz

At least I'm censoring myself

Hey, it's close enough to evil scary words. And we must keep our oh-so-sensitive children safe from all the nasties of the world.

Android Dev

1:30 AM

@KazWolfe Not nearly as bad as the situation we had the other day..

If you can't tell, my messages are just dripping with sarcasm.

I can tell, and it's not appreciated.

Nice to see you too, seth.

How is your day going?

@KazWolfe :)

@KazWolfe Fairly well.

Glad to hear it.

1:33 AM

"Do second project 2 weeks before finals" professor said. "It will be easy" , he said.

on an unrelated note, does anyone know any good sqlite editors for linux?

nope :/

I just use a text editor and/or the cli interface.

but I've not really used sqlite much

welp, here goes my code . . . gonna print the report and off to class do the presentation

fish me luck guys

good luck!

2:02 AM

Hope it goes well.

@KazWolfe sqlitebrowser works for me

It's pretty basic but it gets the job done.

good enough. thanks

Well, here's some... rather calm words about my motives of using profanity before:

You see, not all instances of a word is bad.
When I use it to describe intense feelings caused by the so called people with "credentials" ignoring my issues, from authorities dismissing a case of murder attempt on me to a good therapist kicking me off his office yelling "WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO?" to an endo hiv-scaring my parents and talking with insurance company and getting my blood tests out of coverage, to a world president saying vaccines cause autism (which I probably happen to have, just didn't stumble upon a good enough psychiatrist to actually get it diagnosed) and actively att…

What I mean is, the guy across the street might have a point. So can the guy with "credentials". Both can be wrong, too. Don't judge people by their "credentials", try to make your own decisions.

Whoaa.... Ottawa just beat New York. If Washington beats Pittsburgh then Ottawa will be playing Washington and I expect Trudeau to bet Trump a case of Maple Syrup against a case of fake Bud (0% alcohol beer).

LOL.

Edmonton may still have a shot as well.

You know what would be amazing? Edmonton vs. Ottawa.

I bought that Nashville hat though^^^

So I'm thinking Nashville beating Edmonton or Anaheim.

^^^But I hedged my bets and Bought a Penguin disguised as Dark Wing Duck.

So I'm hoping for Anaheim or Nashville or Pittsburgh I guess :)

2:20 AM

Lol.

^--- what the heck is this!?!

2:39 AM

^^^ 1) It is too small too read.

2) It's probably fan mail.

2:50 AM

@NathanOsman spam

Fan mail, lol.

@Seth but GitHub? That's a new low.

:P

@NathanOsman actually I'm pretty sure you've shared this kind of email here before :P

but perhaps my memory is failing me.

might have been my other friend.

Waaa you have TWO friends? That's twice as much as most people after they count the person in the mirror :p

Is this 105 up-vote question: askubuntu.com/questions/142926/… a duplicate of this 505 up-vote question?: askubuntu.com/questions/2793/…

3:11 AM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix No.

Problems aren't necessarily the same.

@KazWolfe I dunno they seem like the same problem to me. I could change the title of one and then it's instant dup.

I just had to post the same answer to both questions. It was the reason for asking.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix One is specifically about removing old kernels, the other is asking about freeing disk space.

Both are about freeing space in /boot

but I see your point.

I retract the question.

hey, @NathanOsman. When did you start using Go?

"Since the game is so old, nobody is sure exactly how old it really is. Historians think it's at least 2,500 years old, but some say it could be up to 4,000 years old. Regardless, Go is undoubtedly as much fun today as it was 2,000 years ago."

3:18 AM

Wrong Go.

So that's a "No Go" :)

Out.

Q: Option to not show edit in Active feed

I think Nathan's is about 1 year to 18 months old.

My last google a couple months ago they are still working out the bugs. (on the new Go).

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There are times when I need to update an answer with some minor changes and I would rather the "Active" feed not be updated with these changes. Can we have an option "Don't update Active feed" such that some people aren't disgruntled and call it "spam"?

feature-request

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Q: Starting Fresh because of Grub Issue

So long story short I tried to move from Ubuntu to Arch and broke my computer. It's stuck in grub with an error saying: enter link description here So unless someone has any idea how to solve that, I've come to terms that I'm willing to wipe my drive and start fresh. How do I go about doing tha...

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Terrance

Can anyone else figure out what OP is asking in this quesiton?

@Terrance no idea.. why'd you delete your comment?

Terrance

Because OP already edited once.

Maybe I need to put it back again.

@seth Actually, I like what you wrote.

:)

Terrance

4:32 AM

@seth I added another comment on there. OP asked what didn't make sense. Saying it was in the simplest form

@KazWolfe 2014

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I'd like to ask for reconsideration on an edit I suggested; based on this meta question, I believe Meta is where such a request belongs. The post in question is an answer to a question I asked, What does the double-hyphen do in `lxc exec`. I thought @Peter Van Heusden's answer was precise and...

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@muru ^

muru

@Zanna noted, thanks!

:)

Jonathan Y.

Also, @Kaz Wolfe, @Ravexina, please ^

Answering now.

6:37 AM

\o

Jonathan Y.

@KazWolfe, I saw, thank you. As to the second part, I disagree (on the basis that the question assumes you've been working with LXD, hence know if you don't have group permissions, which is the logical way to handle this rather than a sudo elavation) but accept your opinion.

However, I completely disagree with your point regarding the first part: it's mentioned in the surrounding text, but that's no reason to make it less graphically clear in the example; the change hurt the clarity of the answer, rather than improving it.

@JonathanY. better to add comments on meta rather than here imho

keep the discussion in one place!

7:09 AM

@Zanna @JonathanY. just so you know, i'm too tired to hold a rational conversation right now. I'll sleep for a while, and then try to post half-sensible rebuttals to anything you have after I get into the office. Good night. :)

goodnight \o

Jonathan Y.

Night!

8:01 AM

@KazWolfe Why? It seems like a perfectly reasonable answer. What sets your spidey sense tingling?

9:53 AM

@KazWolfe No it doesn't! Spelling is not part of the language even. Not really. It is only relevant to written language while grammar is a feature of the language itself not of the arbitrary system chosen to represent that language on paper.

The bird flaw is a perfectly grammatical sentence, that it contains a spelling mistake which alters the word used doesn't make it ungrammatical. Even The grobit groobled westblingly is grammatical. Note that you can clearly grok which word is what part of speech.

@KazWolfe Especially in English, spelling is absolutely not a way of expressing how to say a word (consider Worcestershire, for example, or colonel).

@KazWolfe As for orthography, that is spelling, as far as I know. That certainly what the word means and what it should mean etymologically. Unless there's some esoteric linguistics jargon at plat, orthography just means "writing correctly".

And yes, I would trust John Lawler over pretty much anyone except, perhaps, Geoffrey K. Pullum or someone of that ilk.

Dammit. I miss all the interesting discussions :(

Me too

Oh, and speaking of Pullum, here's a nice blog entry of his where he also disntinguishes between spelling and grammar:

> [ . . . ] writing could of for could’ve or could have. A spelling point, really; nothing to do with grammar. A guy who writes I could of been a contender can’t spell, sure, he knows how to say grammatically that he could’ve been a contender (and who knows, perhaps in some realm other than writing he could’ve been).

And yes, if it comes to choosing between believing a world renowned linguist and a retired professor of linguistics vs an undergraduate linguistics student, there's not much of a dilemma.

10:23 AM

When I did the Trinity TESOL course, they said "grammar" is mostly just syntax in English... most mistakes people make are due to a lack of "lexical awareness". But that was in the context of correction

I guess knowing which preposition goes with a verb counts as grammar

@Zanna Hmm. I don't know. I think of grammar as being more lower level than that. It is the rules that allow us to form grammatical sentences. On the other hand, if not grammar, I don't know what kind of mistake I am fond to running is.

What did KazWolfe do for you to ping him so often? @terdon

10:38 AM

@Rinzwind He held a view I disagree with on a subject I find very interesting and which, consequently, I want to discuss with him.

Nothing more boring than discussing something with someone who shares your views, after all.

11:07 AM

But when we say English is a synthetic language, doesn't it mean that those rules that structure meaning in a sentence are mostly syntactic?a?l? Something like that...

11:23 AM

This is still going on??

11:42 AM

@TheWanderer No, I missed it so I restarted it. I love this sort of thing :)

caub

12:15 PM

any of you use SublimeText? (I don't expect many)

I'd need a very simple action from linuxer's, to upvote this issue github.com/SublimeTextIssues/Core/issues/1361, because they don't care about linux users

they surely have 99% of their users on Mac+windows, but still

@caub Here and done!

shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=850 :-D

Out of curiosity, when and how are new user accounts nuked for posting obvious spam?

12:35 PM

@DavidFoerster Manually and whenever a mod catches them.

Journeyman Geek

Pretty much

Mods, do your thing then.

Journeyman Geek

Also if they get enough flags they get ip banned

caub

12:49 PM

@DavidFoerster thanks :)

1:01 PM

cv-pls bitcoin Should be closed? {SOLVED} Electrum BitCoin Wallet Installation (User doesn't have access to /home/me/.cache) - EODCraft Staff‎ - 2017-05-10 11:41:57Z

1:19 PM

1 more cv: askubuntu.com/questions/913757/…

@Anwar yeah. impossible to answer it.

David was 5 second faster than me

@Rinzwind deleted by OP

:P

I don't know what makes Ubuntu devs think it's a good thing to break dns!

Hahaha, the trailer is hilarious gog.com/game/strafe

They were fixing something that isn't broken!

@terdon Are you here? I want this to be closed as a duplicate instead of off-topic for 15.10 related. It's not specific to 15.10 imo.

1:33 PM

@Anwar edit the 15.10 out the question :=)

Ooop I haven't linked the question yet . Here it it

@Rinzwind done

@Anwar Happy to reopen, but I don't really see it as a dupe.

ah! then I can answer it :)

The accepted answer of the dupe target is irrelevant and the other answer assumes you have a list of desired package names.

let me suggest some more

How about this 1 being the master? askubuntu.com/questions/309527/…

or maybe this

1:41 PM

@Anwar you missed the one in the body

Journeyman Geek

@DavidFoerster this is terrible in the best way

@Rinzwind Thanks for taking care of that

edwinksl

lol why was that question even closed as off-topic in the first place

Q: Can I opt-out from reciving notifications from particular post?

Because we didn't like it :D

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What are the default text editors in different flavours of Ubuntu? I asked the above question today, received some great answers, accepted an answer. and it solved the initial problem that I had plus gave me some extra good knowledge/Information But People are continuously commenting/ answerin...

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The audits become too easy these days :D

2:34 PM

Ubuntu advertises in the subway of Munich, Germany: ptrace.fefe.de/ubuntu-werbung.jpg :-D

@DavidFoerster they made a typo: someone type "et" where it should be "/etc"

Can someone transcribe the screenshot and open a question?^^

@Rinzwind Probably still wouldn't fix it though.

Bash isn't in /etc :P

2:50 PM

@DavidFoerster That looks more like a Windows advertisement.

Or, OK, an ad for th job of sysadmin in the Munich subway. The idiot wrote the shebang wrong.

Someone hit E instead of shift + 3 :P

So #!/bin/bash became e!/bin/bash

Germans are weird :=)

@terdon Good catch! I didn't think of this particular property of German keyboards.

@DavidFoerster just tell them to run sed -i '1s/^e/#/' on whatever script they've set their profile to load.

@DavidFoerster Ah, I was wondering. Is the # on the E key?

Hmm, no it's next to enter:

According to that, anyway

Oh, right.

Wild Man

hello

3:53 PM

@terdon of I thought that was et/bin/bash

but yeah that's definitely a bang.

4:06 PM

I found this is an audit and hence used delete. But I don't know why that should be a spam!

@NathanOsman you really shouldn't use SMS for 2FA. SS7 has been exploited in the wild not to mention your carrier or anyone with pull on them can intercept it whenever.

@Seth What other options do I have?

Just the other day bank accounts were drained using SS7 flaws: arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/…

@NathanOsman OTP codes with Google Authenticator or a similar app.

Not perfect either but much more secure.

Does GitHub support that?

I didn't know you could use Google Authenticator with them.

@NathanOsman Yup! That's what I use. My only account that uses SMS anymore is twitter because they don't support anything else >:|

4:12 PM

Good to know - thanks for the tip.

:)

blorp

Hi Sergiy!

Good morning, Seth ! (^_^) /

4:34 PM

Hello :)

Hi

hi

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Hi my friend, nice to see you :) How are you ? Were your exams successful ?

@cl-netbox 2/3 successful, one was bleh

@Anwar Hi Anwar, nice to meet you as well :) How are you doing ?

4:36 PM

Doing fine. Thanks for asking :)

You guys have never met before ?

@NathanOsman google auth and stuff aren't good enough

use yubikey.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy who?

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy not bad - better than 0/3 - right ? :D What was the not so good one about ?

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy What do you mean ?

@Anwar Well, I noticed @cl-netbox said "nice to meet you as well" , which is what people usually say when they've never met before . . .

@cl-netbox electro-magnetic fields. Math + physics, basically

4:38 PM

ha ha ha. cl-netbox is extra nice to his friends :) @SergiyKolodyazhnyy

Yeah, that I know

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy What ? I meant : nice to meet @Anwar too, because I said it to you before :)

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy complicated stuff ... I would have failed totally ... hahaha :D

We need an English major to figure this out. @TheWanderer , come here !

wat

Hi Zach ! :)

4:46 PM

@terdon It just seemed more like an ad to me than a well-put together post. Of course, I'm also a bit more trigger-happy when it comes to spam and spam-like content.

@KazWolfe Sure, and as I said in Charcoal HQ, keep them coming! A false positive every 100 valid flags isn't much of a problem :)

(factors include -- zero-effort english, explicitly mentioning "free" a couple times, bringing up the multi-platform aspect)

Oh, also a low-rep / new user with this being their first (and so far, only) answer. It's definitely close to the line of spam

@TheWanderer is "nice to meet you" phrase meant to be said if and only if you meet someone for the first time ?

Yeah, I can see why you'd flag it. However, it was actually a valid answer to the question and I saw no reason to assume the poster had any connection with the product so. . .

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Not really. I've used it when I've bumped into someone I know just out in the wild and we chat for a couple minutes.

4:50 PM

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I thought "nice to meet you" and "nice to see you" are meaning the same - not ? :)

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Gmail is showing "This version of Chrome is no longer supported" by shobuz99 on askubuntu.com

e.g. "hey, how are you", "fine, yourself", "good, thanks", <pointless smalltalk>, "well, nice to meet you, have a good rest of the say"

In that case, "nice to see you" works better, but they're more or less interchangeable. On the first meeting, you can't interchange them.

@cl-netbox well . . . at least in the U.S. nobody uses "nice to meet you" when they see a person they already know . . ."Nice to see you" works better

@KazWolfe Thanks for the explanation ! :) Hi :)

Although @KazWolfe probably more right on this topic that i am

4:52 PM

Yeah, @Serg is right there. It's not an invalid use, but it is relatively uncommon.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Thanks :) so : Nice to see you @Anwar ! :)

this is why i love language -- it's in this constant state of change and flux to fit the needs of those who speak it.

I used to wanna be an English major . . . but then I took Engineering to the knee

I never noticed it was meet. I read it as see

English is hard and irregular

@KazWolfe the thing is : I mean it sincerely - it's not a pointless smalltalk thing for me :) cc: @Anwar :)