The Nineteenth Byte

7:08 PM

Is it normal to have question-specific chat in here instead of the chatroom made to discuss that question? Just for future reference so I don't waste time posting in the wrong place.

DJMcMayhem

@MikeBufardeci I'm not sure what you mean.

Wheat Wizard

@MikeBufardeci It kindof depends on how long the chat is going to be. Short comments are usually held in this room but more extended discussion should be moved to its own room as soon as possible

DJMcMayhem

If a question requires a lot of discussion, it might be worthwhile to make a custom room, but other than that, anything related to the site is explicitly on topic

Mike Bufardeci

@DJMcMayhem There was a chat room created to talk about the coin-flipping challenge that was posted today. I voiced my opinion there and was told the discussion was taking place here.

DJMcMayhem

Ahhh

Mike Bufardeci

7:11 PM

@DJMcMayhem @WheatWizard The conversation did go on for a while in here, it looks like. Someone even requested that people stop other conversation so that this conversation would be less cluttered

DJMcMayhem

in Discussion on question by SIGSEGV: Flip a coin for me!, 2 hours ago, by Poke

also i think most of the discussion here has moved to TNB

Idk, I think it's fine in either room, but Poke's right, a lot of the discussion did happen in here

Mike Bufardeci

Yeah, in the future I will check here before putting my two cents in.

DJMcMayhem

It's kind of a weird situation since this room is supposed to be about PPCG related stuff, but a lot of people use it to hang out and chat (which isn't inherently bad), but sometimes that makes it harder to have on-topic discussions

Huh. This is weird. I have two upvotes today that don't show up in my repbox

(And I'm definitely not capped)

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem There is a bug rn

user165474

@DJMcMayhem Supposedly, this room is meant to be for PPCG related stuff; the Discord channel is better suited for small talk

user165474

7:16 PM

@WheatWizard That may explain why I also had an upvote that I didn't see in my repbox. Thanks.

Mike Bufardeci

I'm just surprised that the room for the coin flipping challenge is not where the conversation took place.

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard sauce?

AdmBorkBork

@MikeBufardeci Some of that has to do with there were two separate avenues leading to two separate chats. The "New Main Posts" bot here posted the challenge link (as scheduled), and so there was discussion here that was prompted because of that. Separately, when comments become long, they're moved to an explicit chat room to keep the site clean. Users that were commenting on the challenge were directed there.

Mike Bufardeci

@AdmBorkBork Ah, that explains it

Wheat Wizard

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Q: Why does the reputation dropdown not show this upvote?

Over at Science Fiction & Fantasy, I answered this question: Why did Voldemort choose a snake as a Horcrux given that it is a living thing and has a limited lifespan? (spoilers for Harry Potter 6/7!). This brought my reputation up to 10,565. However... this upvote didn't show up in the dropdown. ...

Anonymous

7:20 PM

@MikeBufardeci I asked two people very nicely not to post random nonsense when there was site-related discussion going on. That was prior to the creation of the other room.

Mike Bufardeci

@Mego I thought this room was for chitchat until about two minutes ago, my apologies. I understand what happened now.

Jan Dvorak

specifically, random nonsense = two offtopic messages. One about a misread (five stars) and a response to the previous.

Anonymous

@MikeBufardeci This room is for general discussion. Off-topic conversations are fine when there isn't site-related discussion going on. Random nonsense is not fine.

Jan Dvorak

define "nonsense"

Riker

@DJMcMayhem Yep, cool gif. Actually been looking for it for a while, i saw it on r/all like 6 months ago but never saved it

Wheat Wizard

7:24 PM

@DJMcMayhem Do we have a less than zero? I don't see it on the wiki

user165474

So wait, I just wanted to clarify exactly the purposes of this chat. When there's a discussion about the site, it's important and other chitchat should be left for later. When there isn't discussions about specific questions and other chitchat is fine. But never are unintelligible, offensive, derogatory, or otherwise not understandable messages allowed. Am I right?

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Anonymous

@JanDvorak If it doesn't add anything to a conversation, it's nonsense.

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino That's a very good way of putting it.

Jan Dvorak

@Mego well then, your definition of nonsense includes normal off-topic chatter

user165474

@Mego Thanks. And additionally, small talk isn't meant for here, right? (So stuff like "How are you", "How was your day", "How's school") Or is it sometimes acceptable?

DJMcMayhem

7:26 PM

@HyperNeutrino I kinda want to pin that. Well put!

user165474

@JanDvorak Not really. Normal off-topic chatter is a conversation in and of itself, so it's adding to the conversation.

user165474

@DJMcMayhem Thanks! And wow, I've never had anything starred before. What a nice surprise :')

Anonymous

@JanDvorak There's a difference between starting/having conversations that aren't necessarily site-related and dumping one's stream of consciousness into the chat. That's the distinction.

Jan Dvorak

then I'd say that the starred message isn't nonsense

MendeleevLemon

Maybe we should make an IRC channel for off topic chatter

Jan Dvorak

7:28 PM

@Mego I don't mind someone's stream of consciousness if it's funny.

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Typically greetings and small talk are ok, but it shouldn't get in the way of on-topic conversations

Jan Dvorak

Also it did spark a conversation

or three

fergusq

@KritixiLithos Found a 195 byte Röda solution to the <>< challenge.

Anonymous

@JanDvorak Well that's your personal preference, which doesn't match the topic and etiquette of this room

DJMcMayhem

@HyperNeutrino The problem is that it's really hard to create a good chatting environment through rules. A rule saying "Small talk is fine!" could lead to nothing but small talk, and discussion dies. A rule saying "No small talk at all!" feels... Totalitarian. And Un-fun. So it's really hard to say one way or another. So it mostly comes down to using your judgement

user165474

7:29 PM

@Mego Right. So like I know on-topic conversation is always more important than off-topic

Anonymous

@MendeleevLemon That was done back in the day. It died.

DJMcMayhem

@MendeleevLemon There is a discord server right now! Maybe we should try to direct chattering there

user165474

@fergusq ;_; now both Kritixi and me are just getting outgolfed by other people :((( I knew my solution wouldn't remain the winner for long.

AdmBorkBork

2 hours ago, by AdmBorkBork

@ГригорийПерельман Just like Jacobellis v. Ohio, "I know it when I see it."

MendeleevLemon

@DJMcMayhem It's almost dead

@Mego ehh

user165474

7:29 PM

discord.gg/ZaYyk82

Jan Dvorak

@Mego if you mean the "adds nothing" rule, then the examples should be revamped if it is to include funny non-conversation-starters

DJMcMayhem

@AdmBorkBork Yes. Exactly

Mike Bufardeci

I think it would be easier to make a new room to chat in uninterrupted instead of hoping that you'll be uninterrupted here

But I think I visited this room once at most before today so... yeah

DJMcMayhem

@MikeBufardeci That happened a while ago and there was severe kickback. It was widely regarded as a terrible idea.

fergusq

@HyperNeutrino I'll post my solution after few days, but I'll give Kritixi some time to find it.

user165474

7:30 PM

@DJMcMayhem I agree. Most people have enough common sense to know when certain things should be said and what should never be said here, so totally specific rules are hard to write.

Anonymous

@JanDvorak Saying something funny/interesting is different than just facerolling on the keyboard.

Jan Dvorak

I'd say the five-star message then counts as funny/interesting, n'est-ce pas?

DJMcMayhem

... Two is plenty

Anonymous

0 is plenty

Anonymous

→ 2 messages moved to Trash

user165474

7:31 PM

@fergusq I'll also want to spend some time shortening mine, but I'm not sure I'll be able to do much more. GG It was fun

Mike Bufardeci

@DJMcMayhem Weird, it sounds like the obvious solution to me

Jan Dvorak

You literally can't post less than zero messages

Anonymous

@JanDvorak I never said it wasn't?

user165474

@Mego I agree; x such messages are x more than enough.

Jan Dvorak

Ah, good, sorry

Anonymous

7:32 PM

I mean, I starred it, and I'm also seriously considering pinning it

Jan Dvorak

Why would you pin an off-topic message?

AdmBorkBork

Well, that makes two RO's wanting to pin it

user165474

Is the privilege to move a message to Trash given only to chat mods?

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Room owners and moderators

Jan Dvorak

Unless you talk about the other five-star message, the newer one. I meant the one with cats.

user165474

7:33 PM

Oh okay, thanks.

flawr

@JanDvorak Ceci n'est pas une étoile.

Anonymous

I only see one 5-star message on the starboard, so I think we're referring to two different messages

MendeleevLemon

@Mego the cat one

3 hours ago, by SIGSEGV

I somehow read 'one dollar is divided into one hundred cents' as 'one dollar is divided into one hundred cats'

user165474

@MendeleevLemon That one's quite far down...

DJMcMayhem

@MikeBufardeci Part of why people disagreed was because of phrasing and timing. At that time, there was a user that wasn't just noisy, but actively seeked out drama (and did a very good job of finding it). So a mod came in and said "Here, have your own room, we'll call it the noise room!". A Noise room is a terrible idea, and it was phrased like Rude messages/off-topic messages/flamewars and drama are all perfectly fine if they're in their own room. That was what people objected too.

MendeleevLemon

7:34 PM

@HyperNeutrino Not really

Jan Dvorak

I can see 8min ago by Hyperneutrino - that one might be worth pinning - and 3h ago by sigsegv - that one's offtopic but funny.

MendeleevLemon

@HyperNeutrino is in 6th place

user165474

@Mendeleev Well it's 7th, so that's a bit far down, but yeah not really that far

user165474

6th?

MendeleevLemon

yes

DJMcMayhem

7:35 PM

FWIW, the starboard looks different for most users.

Anonymous

@JanDvorak At that point, there wasn't really an on-topic discussion going on. There were a couple of messages, but it was during a lull.

user165474

oh...

Mike Bufardeci

@DJMcMayhem I meant something more like moving the serious discussion to another room so it can be in one easily accessible place without noise, not starting a room for noise

MendeleevLemon

well, was 6th. now is 7th

Jan Dvorak

@Mego Oh. I thought it was the one you objected to.

Anonymous

7:36 PM

I don't usually trash messages. Only if they're obvious nonsense or seriously impeding discussion.

user165474

@DJMcMayhem I read that as "The right looks different for most users" because starboard -> right for me ;_; but that makes sense because the starboard is on the starboard side lol :P

Anonymous

@JanDvorak No, that was two other messages later on, when I asked people to not disrupt conversations.

DJMcMayhem

@MikeBufardeci Yeah, but the issue is that the room for serious discussion is this one. It's just that over time, that has become less and less true. But this room is General discussion for codegolf.stackexchange.com so any serious discussions about PPCG should go in here.

user165474

What's the most starred message on TNB?

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino "Ok seriously stop abusing stars"

DJMcMayhem

7:37 PM

Nov 12 '15 at 22:26, by Doorknob

okay seriously stop abusing stars

106 currently

user165474

@Mego Oh wow. That's... Semi-ironic...

MendeleevLemon

@MikeBufardeci Hopefully this doesn't happen

user165474

But I mean it makes sense

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem I dunno. I'd say with the uptick in ROs and the removal of certain actors, it's overall doing pretty well.

Anonymous

@MendeleevLemon I'd nuke that in a heartbeat :P

Mike Bufardeci

7:38 PM

@DJMcMayhem It's just confusing here since I want to talk about that coin flipping challenge, and people stopped talking about it hours ago, and the nature of this room means the conversation is already buried.

DJMcMayhem

@AdmBorkBork Oh absolutely. I think it's been much better recently, but either way, the majority of conversations in here aren't PPCG related.

Anonymous

@MikeBufardeci You can bring it back up, but there's another room that was created specifically for it (as you know).

Jan Dvorak

@Mego would it earn the posters some kicks?

Anonymous

@JanDvorak My foot would be sore

Mike Bufardeci

@Mego I am discussing it in that room, but there is only one other person in there at the moment. Plus it's missing the actual discussion, which is buried in here somewhere.

Jan Dvorak

7:40 PM

well, as long as you don't bring some nooses, I'll be glad to stay here :-)

DJMcMayhem

And a lot of that comes down to differing expectations. Some people want a room for only serious discussion (Xnor and Peter Taylor I think) and some people want general chit-chat, a fun place to hang out in. I'd say of the existing RO's, I lean much more towards general conversation, but everyone has their own opinion of what good conversation in here should look like.

Anonymous

@MikeBufardeci I could move the relevant messages over there

user165474

I like how this chat has turned into a conversation about itself... We should have a Meta TNB :D

Jan Dvorak

I could like me a chit chat room with the people that reside here

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem I don't mind the off-topic discussions, so long as they aren't getting in the way of on-topic discussions. However, if it gets to be a constant problem, I'm not going to oppose restricting this room's scope.

DJMcMayhem

7:42 PM

@JanDvorak Have discord?

MendeleevLemon

@Mego that would kill TNB

DJMcMayhem

Depends on who you ask

MendeleevLemon

me

Anonymous

→ 1 message moved to Trash

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem I'm reasonably confident that Peter would think even this current conversation is off-topic.

Jan Dvorak

7:44 PM

I don't. I could register, but I'd rather not download anything.

Anonymous

Discord can be used via its webapp

DJMcMayhem

A group is it's own worst enemy is a really interesting read. I think a lot of the elements he addresses can be seen in PPCG/TNB

Григорий Перельман

Discord is great

MendeleevLemon

‮?ereh esion deredisnoc si tahw

DJMcMayhem

@MendeleevLemon Does it make the conversation better? Admittedly that's highly subjective, but I know it when I see it.

Also, ppcg.github.io/chatiquette

Riker

7:46 PM

I think a problem is that the definiton of 'I know it when I see it' varies strongly per RO

Anonymous

@MendeleevLemon Messages that don't add anything to conversation; either because they are completely irrelevant and distract from conversation, or because they have absolutely no meaning or value.

Riker

(not judging anybody though)

Anonymous

@Riker I disagree. We all tend to be on the same page. Just because one RO does the trashing/kicking doesn't mean the others don't agree with the action.

DJMcMayhem

@Riker I don't know if you saw this message or not

L3viathan

How much reputation can I offer in a bounty? (I have just over 600 here at the moment)

Riker

7:47 PM

@DJMcMayhem I did not

@L3viathan 500 is max

DJMcMayhem

@L3viathan 500 is the max, but you can offer multiple after awarding the first I think

MendeleevLemon

Will give bounty for retina reciprocal!

Must be floating point with 4 significant precision

L3viathan

Yeah, I'll give a bounty for OIL reciprocal, just needed to know how much I can offer. You're the author, @MendeleevLemon, right?

Григорий Перельман

What should input look like, and does ReRegex count?

Anonymous

It's too early for a bounty. You have to wait a certain amount of time before the system will allow you to post a bounty.

Riker

7:48 PM

48 hours

L3viathan

I know, but I can promise a bounty, like others did in that question

Jan Dvorak

@MendeleevLemon don't hold your breath ;-)

Anonymous

@Riker Thanks, I couldn't remember off the top of my head

Riker

np

Basic Sunset

Totally valid reciprocal

L3viathan

7:49 PM

@MendeleevLemon I'll offer 150 for an answer in OIL

Jan Dvorak

@BasicSunset loophole

flawr

@Riker part1 part2

xnor

the top two entries of HNQ are both "Inverse of a number (1/x)"?

Riker

after briefly skimming that I have many questions

Григорий Перельман

@xnor o.0

How is that possible

Mike Bufardeci

7:52 PM

Maybe related to the rep bug?

Григорий Перельман

Now offering 50 rep bounty for codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/114219/…

Jan Dvorak

Bugs. Bugs everywhere.

Riker

@ГригорийПерельман schrodinger's feed

Григорий Перельман

Wasn't New Featured Posts kill?

Riker

idk

> Featured Questions - Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange posted by Newly Featured Questions

nope, still a feed

Григорий Перельман

7:54 PM

Yeah but I thought it was borked

I haven't seen it in ever.

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem I'm only about 15% through this, but already it's a fascinating read. Thanks for sharing.

DJMcMayhem

Np! Elendia shared it with me shortly after I became an RO

New Main Posts

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Q: Let's Play Hide and Seek!

Let's Play Hide and Seek. The user will hide, and the computer will try to find them. First, the program will take an input, for the size of the grid. 5x5, 10x10, 15x5 The Grid is sort of like a Chessboard: _______________________________ | | | | | | | A1 | | | ...

code-golf code-challenge ai-player

AdmBorkBork

@xnor Closed and reopened caused it to calculate the number twice, maybe?

xnor

@AdmBorkBork good theory

Григорий Перельман

7:57 PM

Do we submit a bug report?

Poke

I'm looking at a reset css file and it has html { overflow-y: scroll; }

that seems... bad?

Riker

@xnor huh, you're right

Poke

any css guru's have input

Riker

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Q: Duplicate hot question

The same question shows up twice at the top of the hot questions list. Hovering over the first instance says it has 154.451 hotness points, the second one says 122.4 hotness points. How can the same question show up twice with different hotness points?

bug hot-questions

Jan Dvorak

@Poke if you don't want a permanent scrollbar for the whole page then maybe

Poke

8:01 PM

yeah i would think by default i'd only want a scrollbar when it's needed

Jan Dvorak

Are you sure?

A scrollbar popping in causes a change of width, which might potentially cause distracting reflows

Poke

ahh that makes sense

thanks :]

L3viathan

What's the concensus about code seperated in multiple files?

AdmBorkBork

Depends on how the language works

Jan Dvorak

Isn't it one byte for extra file?

Nathan Merrill

8:07 PM

no, its the code size + filename size

assuming its the case of one file calling another file

L3viathan

Ok

AdmBorkBork

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Q: Counting bytes for multi-file programs

So far, submissions consisting of multiple files have simply been counted by summing up the scores of the individual files. Also file names aren't counted as long as they are arbitrary. (We do count file names if the code depends on them to work correctly, i.e. if actual code is outsourced to the...

discussion code-golf policy

Jan Dvorak

Ah. I assumed one-character filenames

L3viathan

Oh, I also have to handle floating-point input, eh.. then I'll forget about it for now. Integer reciprocals would have been doable.

Poke

google.github.io/tacotron

ATaco

8:10 PM

taco

mınxomaτ

8:25 PM

@Poke I love how it has some attitude when talking. I just can't take that seriously.

Martin Ender

@MendeleevLemon ? I don't even know which of my questions you're responding to.

MendeleevLemon

@MartinEnder second one

Martin Ender

@MendeleevLemon So what about inputs greater than 9999?

MendeleevLemon

@MartinEnder You won't get them. It would be really cool if your program could handle them though.

Martin Ender

But we can get 0.000001000?

If you want answers in string processing languages, the challenge needs an exact specification of a) what range of numbers can be input, b) what formats those numbers can appear in, especially with regard to leading and trailing zeros and decimal points.

MendeleevLemon

8:32 PM

@MartinEnder Can appear in xxxx 0.xxxx x.xxx xx.xx xxx.x

Martin Ender

And xxx, xx.x, x.xx, 0.xxx, xx, x.x, 0.xx, x, 0.x?

Григорий Перельман

@ATaco What happened to TacoLemon?

L3viathan

I'm working on a solution, but I'm afraid it won't be below 1000 bytes :(

Down Christopher

@Mego I meant it as a congratulations :P

@DJMcMayhem I like it as a general room for PPCG and sometimes as a chit chat room

Григорий Перельман

Go Minnesota!

Jan Dvorak

8:46 PM

stream of consciousness?

Down Christopher

@JanDvorak What who?

Jan Dvorak

Grigroii's news link

Down Christopher

I sometimes save the RO the time and just post my messages in trash :P

Jan Dvorak

Isn't that the same as not posting them at all?

Zacharee1

I'm baaack

Григорий Перельман

8:50 PM

o/

Zacharee1

@DownChristopher did someone flag this by accident?

ArtOfCode

can people stop using flags on things that aren't flaggable around here kthx

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Down Christopher

@Zacharee1 idk I guess

Jan Dvorak

Everything is flaggable. Not everything is flagworthy.

Zacharee1

@ArtOfCode no, sorry, not possible

Григорий Перельман

8:51 PM

@Zacharee1 Wait who are you I've never seen you before.

Zacharee1

@ГригорийПерельман I could say the same to you :p

Григорий Перельман

But you said I'm back, implying you've been here before, but I'm basically always here.

And I haven't seen you here before.

Zacharee1

I haven't been here for over a month I'd say

Григорий Перельман

Ah, I see.

Down Christopher

CMC: A set of x counting numbers has an average of 60. The same set of numbers has a sum of 420. All of the numbers are different and one of the numbers is 120. Find the largest possible number in this set. (Counting numbers are 1,2,3,4 no negatives)

Jan Dvorak

8:52 PM

@ГригорийПерельман surely you sleep sometimes

Down Christopher

@JanDvorak Sleep is for the week

Zacharee1

not the weekend though

Jan Dvorak

@DownChristopher I couldn't last that long

Григорий Перельман

I finish studying at 2 and get up for school at 6 a lot, so, not really.

Basic Sunset

Of course not, sleeping on the weekend is just wasted time.

Zacharee1

8:54 PM

@ГригорийПерельман o_O

Григорий Перельман

We have the entire next week off though!

I'm going to Peru.

ATaco

@ГригорийПерельман that was a temporary thing.

Григорий Перельман

Aww. I liked the profile pic.

AdmBorkBork

@DownChristopher 295

Zacharee1

BorkBork?

Григорий Перельман

8:57 PM

That's Admiral BorkBork

Zacharee1

lol

AdmBorkBork

295+120+1+1+1+1+1 ... I think

Down Christopher

No repeating numbers :P

AdmBorkBork

Oh, I missed that

Down Christopher

Try again

user165474

8:58 PM

285 + 120 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5

Zacharee1

rip

AdmBorkBork

285

blah

DJMcMayhem

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user165474

Is it possible to name a challenge Challenge Name [duplicate] and make it seem like my challenge is a duplicate?

Riker

iirc you can't SE doesn't let you

user165474

9:03 PM

@Riker I might try it on my next challenge; just name it "... [duplicate]" and then edit it right after.

DJMcMayhem

Woot-woot, I'm now officially 1/4th of the way to 100k!

flawr

@DJMcMayhem congrats

you mean you are 1/4th of the way to 100.356k?

DJMcMayhem

True, but that's less interesting

flawr

never say some number is less interesting!

for example, n=100356 is one of the few numbers such that sigma(pi(n)-1)==0 mod n.

MendeleevLemon

9:19 PM

I have added output examples. Please check this out

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Q: Inverse of a number (1/x)

Challenge Given a (floating-point/decimal) number, return its inverse or reciprocal, i.e. 1 divided by the number. The inverse must be a floating-point/decimal number, not just an integer. Detailed specification You must receive input in the form of a floating-point/decimal number... ...whi...

code-golf number arithmetic

Jan Dvorak

A list of examples does not a specification make

Riker

@MendeleevLemon that's really not what he meant by unclear

MendeleevLemon

@Riker then define unclear

Riker

@flawr that's really cool tbh

@MendeleevLemon what about languages with no concept of floating point values?

DJMcMayhem

@flawr Well thanks Ramanujan

MendeleevLemon

9:20 PM

@Riker That's still the input and output format.

Riker

can we return the result as a string of "1/" + input?

@MendeleevLemon ?

flawr

@DJMcMayhem more like thanks OEIS <3

DJMcMayhem

CMC: first user to find an integer that doesn't show up in an OEIS sequence gets a cookie

MendeleevLemon

@Riker Standard loophole!!

@DJMcMayhem -1234095876194873265298374562987345601985713209487124857961230984712498376512309‌8467128758

Riker

@DJMcMayhem how about shortest integer that odesn't show up

DJMcMayhem

9:23 PM

Oh, that's better

Jan Dvorak

@DJMcMayhem -1

DJMcMayhem

Where short means smallest absolute value

Fine, ignore all of that.

MendeleevLemon

mine is still winning

flawr

@JanDvorak wrong

Martin Ender

@MendeleevLemon so no .2 or 2. after all?

DJMcMayhem

9:24 PM

CMC: What is the smallest positive integer that doesn't show up in any OEIS sequences?

MendeleevLemon

@MartinEnder No. I have redone the spec.

@DJMcMayhem 1234019870498712304987

DJMcMayhem

@MendeleevLemon 🍪

> positive integer

Riker

> positive integer

ninja'ed lol

MendeleevLemon

No results for that on google

Sp3000

@DJMcMayhem en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interesting_number_paradox

MendeleevLemon

9:25 PM

@DJMcMayhem thanks

Sp3000

For whatever reason, that page usually gets updated with it

Riker

nvm

MendeleevLemon

18159

There!

Riker

it's on oeis

please double check

oeis.org/A018159

DJMcMayhem

> The mathematician and philosopher Alex Bellos suggested in 2014 that a candidate for the lowest uninteresting number would be 247 because it was, at the time, "the lowest number not to have its own page on English Wikipedia". -- Wikipedia's page on the number 247

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MendeleevLemon

9:26 PM

That's the sequence number.

-_-

Axelrod

@ArtOfCode Irony.

Riker

Flags aren't jokes, please don't use them as such. If you're trying to make a point, well, still don't use flags.

29

> that doesn't show up in any OEIS sequences?

is on it

Sp3000

As a term not a sequence number

flawr

Also I think pretty much any number you can think of is defeated by A000027

DJMcMayhem

@Riker .... sigh of course someone flagged that >_>

Riker

9:28 PM

^

MendeleevLemon

lol

mınxomaτ

@Riker Please make that point more concise.

Riker

okay

better?

mınxomaτ

Yes

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

King of the Hill: Risk(k) king-of-the-hill game c# c++ .net windows We all know these well spend evenings where family members and friends got to temporary enemies while playing Risk the board game. The rules are not so complicated, the world is divided in territories on 6 different continents....

Mithrandir

9:46 PM

Seriously. Please stop flagging random things. Flags are not toys.

Thomas Ward

feels he missed something important

Catija

If you don't like your feeds, talk to the mods and room owners about it. Flagging is non-productive.

@ThomasWard Someone flagged the Sandbox feed post.

Nathan Merrill

clearly warfare is offensive :P

Thomas Ward

ah

Mithrandir

@ThomasWard this room is flagging things that don't need to be flagged.

Thomas Ward

9:47 PM

i see.

figures I miss things when fixing Smokey :P

Nathan Merrill

we've had a lot of instances of that. Isn't is possible to get a community manager involved or something?

Mithrandir

What good would that do?

The users of this room have to learn.

Nathan Merrill

I agree, but right now, there's no mechanism to teach

Mithrandir

That's why all the blues dropped in ;)

Catija

I understand that you all have special rules in here about what sorts of content is acceptable. I don't think there's anything wrong with that but if you have things that aren't allowed based on your room's rules, you need to use a custom flag to explain it or it's unlikely to get validated.

Nathan Merrill

9:51 PM

@Mithrandir that still leaves room for an abusive user to flag without any sort of checks

Thomas Ward

@NathanMerrill and that's where us as diamond moderators can show up and squish things that're going on

Nathan Merrill

oh, can you see who did it?

I didn't realize that was the case

Thomas Ward

stupid keyboard

Riker

@NathanMerrill it's complicated but yes, in special circumstances

Thomas Ward

I'm only in here 'cause I frequent the channel. BUt meh.

Riker

9:52 PM

but if you're seriously flagging things for fun, just don't. it really annoys every moderator and 10k+ user in chat

Thomas Ward

And is very likely to incite our wrath.

So just don't.

Nathan Merrill

lol

Thomas Ward

Or worse, it'll incite the Wrath of Shog.

and then we're all doomed./

Mithrandir

Doom....

DJMcMayhem

@mods Why not suspend the user who's doing it? They're clearly not learning and that will put an end to it

Catija

9:53 PM

@DJMcMayhem In general, we can't see who's doing the flagging.

Jan Dvorak

I thought you could

Mithrandir

Only custom mod flags.

DJMcMayhem

So there's just nothing we can do?

Riker

if it doesn't stop we can probably poke a CM

Catija

@DJMcMayhem I'm guessing the CMs can see who it is...

Riker

9:55 PM

ninja'ed

Nathan Merrill

hence:

7 mins ago, by Nathan Merrill

we've had a lot of instances of that. Isn't is possible to get a community manager involved or something?

:)

L3viathan

I've accidentally flagged (by clicking on "valid" when I got a flag to confirm) a message, because I found the wording (of the UX) confusing; I thought "valid" would mean it's a valid message, not a valid flag.

Nathan Merrill

searching our history, it looks like we've had 3 invalid flags in the past hour

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=flags&room=240

Catija

@NathanMerrill I think just two.

ATaco

Why was this closed as not clear?

It's very clear.

Riker

9:57 PM

@Catija 3 actually I think