The Nineteenth Byte

Destructible Watermelon

9:00 AM

Python

Was language agnostic, but I found out that was way too slow

as in, one match in that was longer than 50 with just python

Qwerp-Derp

Making a Clojure tutorial in Markdown! yey

wat

I dislike Python, but sure

Destructible Watermelon

@wat u wot

wat

Ruby is my favorite programming language

Destructible Watermelon

I'm thinking python 3 by the way, but IDK

wat

9:10 AM

I see

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Q: Wild MISSINGNO appeared!

I think is about time to do another Pokemon challenge! Even if Pokémon Go is not as mainstream as it used to be... The task. Just draw a MISSINGNO. MISSINGNO is an unofficial Pokémon species found in the video games Pokémon Red and Blue. IGN has noted MISSINGNO appearance in Pokémon Red and B...

Qwerp-Derp

Poll for if you play TCGs: strawpoll.me/12406407

Kritixi Lithos

IMO Magic is much more strategic than Yugioh.

TuxCopter

9:31 AM

Hello

mınxomaτ

9:59 AM

@wat Don't.

wat

@mınxomaτ y

TIL that this is a single Unicode character: …

………………………………………………………………………………………………

...that's useful for horizontal lines

Fatalize

One of my keyboard layouts has this ellipsis; I always use it when I can

looks way better

Kritixi Lithos

10:16 AM

I prefer ... to the ellipsis most times

wat

@KritixiLithos I don't see why…

Albert Renshaw

10:31 AM

Why is this room called the Nineteenth byte

betseg

@KritixiLithos me too

@wat Unicode has too many weird things

@AlbertRenshaw nineteenth hole is the nearest pub to the golf field. This room is codegolf.stackexchange's room.

Also, the name is 19 bytes long

Albert Renshaw

Thank you!

Erik the Outgolfer

10:48 AM

en-US compose key sequence: ♦.. for those who want to type it.

Also, I can confirm Unity Answers has really copied and pasted SE code with some modifications.

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11:03 AM

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Q: Fix my Fat Fingers

Code Golf Challenge I have an isdue, my fingrrs are fat and I freqintly jave an isdue of ty[ing one keystrpke to the right on my kryboard. I'm afraid the isdue is getyng worse anf worsr as time goes on. Sopn every keystrpke I make wil; be shiftrd pne to the right! Befpre then I'd like a prog...

code-golf keyboard hardware

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

11:45 AM

@Downgoat I would be incredibly happy if you were to do that. You have my unequivocal support.

Anonymous

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A: Let's think of a creative name for our chatroom

Well, the traditional generic name for the country club bar is "the nineteenth hole", which suggests The Nineteenth Byte or something like that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous

@wat Because that's noise, and you've received more warnings than most about not posting noise. I would have hoped that the lesson had sunk in.

Jan Dvorak

would "morning" be okay?

Anonymous

12:02 PM

Sure, because that's a greeting, and not mindless noise

Destructible Watermelon

I was thinking of adding a flavour part to my koth:

Jan Dvorak

Hmm... I'm watching a Fallout 4 speedrun. I like "Allowed techniques: shooting NPCs to skip dialogue"

Destructible Watermelon

a bot has a variable that has the names of the individual bots, and their weapons, as well as a team name, so you can have stuff like this:

> Bot Blaster dispatches Dasher with their phaser
> Zapper terminates Bot Blaster with his Laser sword
> ...
> CatTeam wins!

user165474

1:07 PM

Darn, I got a question downvoted (it wasn't that great) so now my rep isn't a multiple of 5. :(

LegionMammal978

Just curious, how do you people pronounce PNG as in .png? I internally pronounce it "ping"

Jan Dvorak

as an abbreviation

user165474

@LegionMammal978 I typically just say each letter.

LegionMammal978

huh

Jul 6 '16 at 23:34, by Geobits

@LegionMammal978 Nah. Good acronyms are pronounceable. Otherwise it's just an initialism :P

Should probably unbelieve that philosophy sooner or later

betseg

@LegionMammal978 pee en gee

Doorknob

1:18 PM

I used to spell it out. Then someone pointed out to me that "thing.png" rhymed, and from then on I could never look at it the same way.

user165474

@LegionMammal978 I typically pronounce "jpg/jpeg" as "jpeg" and "gif" as "gif", but I rarely pronounce "png" as "ping" (only occasionally).

betseg

> "gif" as "gif"

Anonymous

1:29 PM

"jay-peg", "pea-in-gee", "pea-nut-but-ter"

user165474

@Mego What's with the peanut butter?

Anonymous

Jan 31 at 20:15, by Mego

A friend of mine used to argue with me a ton over the pronunciation. She said "jif", I say "gif". We came to a compromise: "peanut butter"

Malivil

@Mego Doesn't that imply "JIF" then, since that's the peanut butter?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Mod the Floats code-golf 3D-modeling software mainly uses UV Mapping to map textures onto a 3D object. The valid values for both U and V are usually located in a [0..1] range. Challenge You bought a new 3D-modeling software which is super-easy to use. However there is one issue with it: it ad...

Anonymous

1:46 PM

@Malivil Jif isn't the only brand of peanut butter. I'm partial to Peter Pan, myself.

user165474

Question: Should the "move discussion to chat" feature remove the comments?

Jan Dvorak

I vote yes

user165474

I vote yes, because otherwise the "move discussion" message stays there forever, which doesn't make sense and is also quite annoying.

Jan Dvorak

also, it says "move discussion to chat", not "copy discussion to chat"

user165474

True. That too.

Erik the Outgolfer

1:53 PM

I vote no, because it would delete comments not supposed to go into the discussion.

Jan Dvorak

good argument

meh, though

user165474

That is a good argument. It's a real two-sided debate though.

Malivil

It would need some way of selecting which comments to move

*delete

Unless it already has that

user165474

Well, it knows which ones to copy (I think), so I presume it would know which ones to move.

user165474

Not sure though.

Erik the Outgolfer

1:57 PM

No. You cannot delete comments if you're not a mod or their owner. Why should a loooooong discussion suddenly give you such a power?

user165474

@Erik That is a good point...

AdmBorkBork

Two things 1) they're not deleted, they're moved to chat, and 2) comments are transitory anyway and could be deleted any time for any reason

Erik the Outgolfer

We are talking about a feature where comments are deleted from the post, and get moved to chat. Some comments that should be right on the post may then require a second mouse-click and waiting time to open the chatroom to see, whereas they could have just been under the post, as they were originally intended to be.

And, of course, there may be the abusers who, given a feature to delete comments they feel are relevant to the discussion and only keep them on chat, vandalize the comment section in this way.

AdmBorkBork

@HyperNeutrino The Try It Online! site, run by Dennis, has a PowerShell interpreter. I don't know if it allows non-sandbox-y things like Invoke-RestMethod or Invoke-WebRequest though.

LegionMammal978

2:13 PM

Interesting how many artist's impressions Wikipedia already has on the TRAPPIST-1 system

user165474

@AdmBorkBork Okay, I'll try it out when I get home. (My school network blocks most of the TIO resources for whatever reason)

betseg

@LegionMammal978 half of them look like they're from Space Engine

LegionMammal978

@betseg ikr, look identical to the ones there

My guess is that the same guy made the terrain textures

user165474

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I just observed that your name reads "CrazyPythou" when read upside-down. Maybe you intended "uoɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ"? (I'm not sure)

LegionMammal978

The actual images come from NASA, though, maybe that's where Space Engine got them from

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2:24 PM

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Q: Drink your morning coffee

Draw this Ascii coffee cup: o o o __________ / \__ | J | \ | A | | | V | | | A |__/ \__________/ Brownie points for coffee-script or java :) Shortest code in bytes, function or program, trailing newline acceptable, drink up!

code-golf ascii-art kolmogorov-complexity

Poke

2:34 PM

Ok I read the last few minutes of scrollback today and I'm fairly confident no one posted this. arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/… Looks like the internet got hacked. gg

mınxomaτ

@Poke Well, ninja'd again I'm afraid.

15 hours ago, by mınxomaτ

Seems like CloudFlare wanted it's own heartbleed :D

Poke

noooooooooo

at least that was 15 hours ago

Sp3000

:P it's big news, what do you expect

Poke

well yesterday it was only a matter of minutes/i didn't read chat

about the sha-1 thing

In other news it looks like google did an auth token reset

mınxomaτ

It's like permanently pinned to HN slot #1. The rage is real. My two cents

Poke

2:43 PM

@mınxomaτ tell me you didn't post something about that already ._.

mınxomaτ

@Poke Unrelated. bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1139#c23

Poke

yeah but it's another security goody to share

Jan Dvorak

Auth tokens were designed to be volatile anyways

Poke

yes but this is the refresh token

which is designed to be longlived

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Unschedule my tasks code-golfalgorithm Intro I have a scheduler that uses priority scheduling on my PC so there are several tasks with a definite priority. All that i still remember is that every task runs cyclically forever with an also definite period. I can see which tasks are running from ...

AdmBorkBork

2:53 PM

@mınxomaτ Maybe they need some regex to parse their HTML. ;-)

Downgoat

@AdmBorkBork ahem

Pavel

@Downgoat Why did you call Sed and Grep's expressions not regexes?

They are more regular than PCRE.

Downgoat

1) that was like joke (like "you never new what a car was until you saw the new ford") 2) O_o you reallllly need to read article

mınxomaτ

CloudFlare CTO has lost his mind it seems

How can you be so irresponsible in handling the avg consumer's press.

Anonymous

@Downgoat If you're going to slam CS teachers, maybe you should listen and learn from them first. Nobody ever says that PCRE can't parse (X)HTML. They say that regular expressions can't parse (X)HTML. Regular expressions can match strings formed using regular grammars (the Chomsky/Kleene definition). Most regex engines' features are just syntactic sugar that doesn't add any real power to regex. PCRE regexes aren't regular expressions - it's a misnomer.

Kritixi Lithos

3:06 PM

Then what's PCRE if it's not a regular expression?

AdmBorkBork

@Downgoat Mego's got it.

aditsu

@wat yes

Anonymous

@KritixiLithos PCRE "regexes" are expressions that can recognize strings formed from context-sensitive grammars. They're linear-bounded automatons.

Downgoat

@Mego opls that part was jab at time my CS teacher took point of test

No one is questioning ability

people say it's bad way

I'm saying it's nice and clear and easy to understand

Anonymous

I have literally no idea what you're trying to convey or express

mınxomaτ

3:09 PM

same

Poke

@mınxomaτ did you change all of your passwords

Downgoat

Did you read whole thing

mınxomaτ

@Poke I'm still at work.

Anonymous

I meant that block of 4 messages - the broken English is making it impossible to parse

Downgoat

Grammar is fine except the first "of" should be "off"

Fatalize

3:10 PM

Pretty sure the grammar in "people say it's bad way" is wrong

and I'm not even a native speaker

Downgoat

Okay fine I forgot an "a"

Anonymous

I am a native speaker and I have no idea what he's trying to say

Fatalize

"No one is questioning ability" this also seems wrong

Downgoat

Ability is a noun so technically correct

Anonymous

Are you feeling ok?

Downgoat

3:12 PM

@Mego no. But blame autocorrect on that one

Fatalize

I never use autocorrect, not even on a smartphone, for that very reason

Anonymous

Just stop, take a moment, compose your thoughts, and then try again.

Anonymous

That's really not appropriate

Downgoat

I am being berated for missing an "of"

Anonymous

We're not harping on you for your grammar - we're trying to get you to understand that your messages are unintelligible

Fatalize

3:14 PM

but anyway

Doorknob

@Downgoat Comparing others to Nazis is completely uncalled for.

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Downgoat

@Mego er. It's common term to be used to someone particular about grammar

mınxomaτ

I'm honestly confused. It's not about the grammar. And the comparison is not ok.

Fatalize

(at least I hope)

Anonymous

It's time to stop using that term

Anonymous

3:16 PM

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Downgoat

Why does his room have a tendency to always pick on someone. First it was zyabin, then he got suspended, then CrazyPython, etc.

this was certainly an unexpected response to me attempting to post regex article I thought would be interesting

Anonymous

@Downgoat We're not picking on you. I am legitimately interested in what you were trying to say. But the way you said it made it impossible for me to understand.

Poke

@mınxomaτ are you planning on it

muddyfish

I enter the room and it appears Godwin's law has finally come true

Anonymous

If you're not able to take criticism without seeing it as a personal attack, maybe the internet is not for you

muddyfish

3:18 PM

How I wished it wouldn't happen

Downgoat

@Doorknob oh yeah now let's take things out of context. Might as well say that to WWII reenactments

mınxomaτ

9 hours ago, by mınxomaτ

A new day, a new mess to clean up. Time to go through all logs of the company's websites that use CloudFlare in one way or another and change every single web-based password login. What fun.

Downgoat

6 mins ago, by Mego

Are you feeling ok?

that felt a little rude

Anonymous

@Downgoat Being belligerent isn't helping

Downgoat

usually a negative connotation to my experience.

muddyfish

3:19 PM

@Downgoat I was literally just about to ask that

You don't seem to be very happy right now

Anonymous

@Downgoat It wasn't meant to be rude - I was actually wanting to know if you're feeling ok. Your style of typing is considerably different than usual, and that could signal physical or emotional distress.

Anonymous

@Poke chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35653703#35653703

Downgoat

Okay maybe I need to take a break

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat Do you want to talk about your app?

Poke

i didn't use the term

LegionMammal978

3:20 PM

^^^

Poke

i linked to the knowyourmeme page

Anonymous

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Anonymous

When I said it's time to stop using that term, I meant it.

Anonymous

It's offensive, regardless of how "common" it is

Poke

Agree to disagree

user165474

3:22 PM

The term used to be used a lot, but it's a completely unnecessary comparison that's not even that accurate, and it's highly offensive to a lot of people.

user165474

In agreement with Mego.

muddyfish

@Poke just don't use it here

Poke

@muddyfish believe it or not it wasn't something i planned on doing all that often

Anonymous

@Poke You can disagree all you want, but the Be Nice policy is very clear, and I will continue to enforce it.

Poke

So is it a bannable offense to refer to that one episode of Seinfeld?

muddyfish

3:24 PM

@Mego move to trash a message or flag it?

Poke

You know that one with the guy who sells the soup

Anonymous

@muddyfish Yes

Thomas Ward

I hast noticed an argument going on o.O

muddyfish

@Mego I was asking which would you use

Thomas Ward

let's keep with the Be Nice policy people.

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Anonymous

3:25 PM

@muddyfish Whichever is appropriate for the specific situation

Poke

no soup for you

muddyfish

@ThomasWard Not really an argument per say (at least from my POV)

Thomas Ward

and no there's no flags that called me, I just lurk this room :)

@muddyfish looks different from the little "here's the last message" thing on the side bar of rooms one's in :P

Anonymous

@ThomasWard We know that you are secretly a code golfer :)

Anonymous

It's ok, you don't have to hide it here

Thomas Ward

3:26 PM

@Mego :P

Anonymous

one of us one of us

Thomas Ward

@muddyfish trash is fine for getting junk away; flags tend to be more useful if it's a bigger problem.

though as a moderator it doesn't matter to me either way :) (And i'm just lurking)

Anonymous

For a different discussion: my apartment seems to be broken. It's 75F inside, but 56F outside.

muddyfish

@ThomasWard I really need to find where I can get those second hand

Thomas Ward

@Mego not unlike my apartment. 69F outside, apartment runs avg. 74F

but the 74F is because i have two servers, a desktop, and lots of network equip. running 24/7 :P

and that's with the AC on - normally runs 77-79F

Anonymous

3:28 PM

@ThomasWard That's considerably different. This apartment usually has terrible insulation from the elements, but it seems to be quite effective at keeping heat in when I don't want it.

muddyfish

There are now piles of twigs at my college because it's been completely windy

Anonymous

All I have running is a single desktop

Thomas Ward

@Mego ouchies.

I feel for you. (Air Conditioning is a must heh)

Poke

i have 4 computers running in my apartment... we've needed to open windows in the winter

Anonymous

Our AC doesn't seem to be doing much either, except increasing the humidity

Anonymous

3:29 PM

Luckily, there's a simple way to get the heat to flow out of the apartment

muddyfish

@ThomasWard I think I've only ever used that whilst in a car

It doesn't get hot enough to warrant one

@Mego opening the door?

Anonymous

@muddyfish Nope, a popular Microsoft product

muddyfish

@Mego is confused

Anonymous

@muddyfish Windows :P

muddyfish

@Mego that's an OS which merely controls the fans if installed

actually

does the OS even do the fans?

or are they done by a negative feedback loop

Riley

3:33 PM

Back in college my room was usually 80-85F even with the window open and 5F outside.

user165474

I accidentally put next Wednesday as February 29th on my agenda... ;_;

Thomas Ward

@HyperNeutrino ouch

user165474

Meh, doesn't really cause much of an issue.

user165474

But I emailed 16 people with that information, and now I have to hope that they get my correction email. :P

muddyfish

My house is generally always about 20C

user165474

3:35 PM

Mine is about 18C in the winter and 24C in the summer.

mınxomaτ

4:22 PM

Something nice for a change: Fastly just committed $1k per month to the alwsl project for a better and more secure delivery system :)

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ That's awesome!

betseg

mınxomaτ

Also, we got two engineers and one packager on board to replace as much proprietary MS code as possible in WSL with FOSS components.

betseg

^^lol

AdmBorkBork

@mınxomaτ What's "AL" WSL? I'm presuming that the "WSL" portion is Windows Subsystem for Linux, yes?

mınxomaτ

4:27 PM

archlinux

AdmBorkBork

Oh, rather than being, what is it, Ubuntu based in the default?

Thomas Ward

@AdmBorkBork WSL is only Ubuntu but yes

Archlinux on WSL would be... hard.

because it took a lot of work to get Ubuntu onto the WSL :P

mınxomaτ

@ThomasWard Uh, no. That's the project

Thomas Ward

your project or microsoft's project

because last I heard they're not pulling in Arch yet

mınxomaτ

Mine

Thomas Ward

4:28 PM

ah

good luck to thee then

I wish you well.

mınxomaτ

It works already.

Anonymous

Yeah, the project is pretty successful

mınxomaτ

github.com/alwsl/alwsl

Anonymous

The next step is making it work well :P

mınxomaτ

We are now bringing a better interface, more compatibility to it.

With Fastly's help, we can push bigger updates more frequently. Next step after this release is making our Windows 8.1 plugin public, which brings WSL to ... 8.1 (and 8).

AdmBorkBork

4:36 PM

Oh, that's pretty neat. Congrats!

Christopher Peart

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/111173/63187 One byte

I think that would be a win but it is an old challange

(Language is still older tho :P)

ETHproductions

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A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

Vitsy, 0 Bytes Seriously ain't got nothin' on me. (@Mego I'm so sorry. ;)) Try it online! (Just hit "Run")

Christopher Peart

noooo

WHY

Whenever I answer a question someone has to beat me

ETHproductions

That was back during the "let's all add a 0-byte builtin to our new esolangs" craze

DJMcMayhem

See, my zero byte built-in is something that actually makes sense and perfectly fits with the design of the language, not just something arbitrary and weird

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4:42 PM

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Q: Mod the Floats!

3D-modeling software mainly uses UV Mapping to map textures onto a 3D object. The valid values for both U and V are usually located in a [0..1] range. Challenge You bought a new 3D-modeling software which is super-easy to use. However there is one issue with it: it adds or subtracts a random in...

code-golf

muddyfish

Anyone know what I should have voted for these flags?

Christopher Peart

Edited my answer

Now I am at 0 bytes

Thomas Ward

@muddyfish doesn't matter

muddyfish

@ThomasWard why?

betseg

does valid mean "valid flag"?

muddyfish

4:44 PM

@betseg yes

ETHproductions

Hello, World! and Truth machine each have 0-byte built-ins, and there are a ton of languages which naturally solve the cat challenge or "Shortest loop producing no output" in 0 bytes

Thomas Ward

@muddyfish because it's alreayd being handled, and is on the radar of higher up powers of godliness.

muddyfish

@ThomasWard gods will be gods and do their thing

DJMcMayhem

@ETHproductions Yeah, V does the cat program in 0. And the loop with no output in one

ETHproductions

IIRC, there was some complex challenge that someone had implemented a 0-byte builtin for a few weeks prior, but I can't find it

I thought it was in Seriously/Actually

Kritixi Lithos

4:46 PM

The "infinite loop with no output" is my challenge :D

muddyfish

I need to think of a fun 0 byte program for pyke

ETHproductions

Jelly's 0-byte program naturally outputs 0. Don't think we have a challenge for that though

Japt's outputs undefined

Wheat Wizard

Can one vote to delete a post that has a positive score?

Kritixi Lithos

@muddyfish nggyu

Carrot's 0-byte program outputs "" (as in the empty string)

quartata

How is it that I don't even use Node and yet:

$ ls -l node_modules/ | wc -l
267

@Downgoat This is obviously your fault

AdmBorkBork

4:51 PM

@WheatWizard No, it has to have a negative score.

Thomas Ward

@muddyfish You need to balance whether the post is offensive or not or should be deemed as a "valid" use of a flag. If you aren't sure that's what the third button is for.

Irrelevant though now.

Kritixi Lithos

That's a ton of downvotes on the "mod the floats" challenge