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5:00 PM
A lot of people go "this is the thing and the how" and "based on the geaneology records, it doesn't make sense for the world to be billions of years old, it only took 7 days from earth to man thinking emoji"
 
Ash
And also like....the Bible is His Word as recorded by very fallible people so you know, there is that.
 
Yes
 
Ash
@Unionhawk sorry, I seem to kinda be preaching the choir, Apologies
 
@Unionhawk Plus like, god is omnipresent, how does the day/night cycle work there? >_>
 
@Ash oh no, there's definitely mostly atheists here I think =p
 
5:02 PM
@TimStone Well, yeah, the concept of days doesn't make sense if the world isn't a thing yet
 
@Ash I'm happy and relieved that there is some amount of critical reading of the text, because this is definitely not something you can take for granted
 
Taking things that contradict themselves as literal and completely correct is just dumb
 
hell, the metaphor was Jesus' favourite rhetorical device, and yet people go like "but the bible literally says this"
 
I'm just like "DID YOU EVEN READ THE THING?"
 
@badp whoa
 
5:04 PM
@KevinvanderVelden right, but we have people who object to schools covering the big bang and evolution
 
Ash
@badp we're not as backwater as a lot of people who aren't the thing assume, thank you very much
 
@Unionhawk It really only makes sense if you don't know that there's always "daytime" somewhere, i.e. the world is flat/you're B.o.B.
 
@badp yes, because they do the thing I just called dumb =p
 
@Ash do you object to schools covering the big bang and evolution
 
Ash
Stop. Putting. Us. All. In. The. Same. Box.
 
5:05 PM
I'm asking about you personally
not about your box
though my objective is to tell you that you never were in that box to begin with
so eh.
Believing in religion is not an ignorant thing. It's what helps people sleep at night and deal with hardships, and I totally want to respect that
 
Ash
@badp totally want to implies you don't, though?
 
Some people think they're superior because they don't "feel" they "need" that help? and I don't particularly care about that feeling.
@Ash I said "want" because I don't know if I'm managing to.
As in, I'm casting doubt on myself.
 
Also it's hard to respect something when in some people it's good and nice and all, but in other people the same exact thing is used to promote bigotry and destroying the habitability of the world
 
@KevinvanderVelden how does believing God made the universe do that?
 
So today we have learned that creationism is actually two separate and unequal boxes
 
5:09 PM
@badp religion in general
 
@KevinvanderVelden the Pope says climate change is real and we're doing it and we have to stop it, so.
 
Those who look at the thing and say "Yup, 7 days, 2 people at the start, that actually happened", and those who look at the thing and say "He did the thing but this isn't necessarily how"
 
Ash
@KevinvanderVelden bangs head against wall
 
@Unionhawk Packing them is thus NP-hard
 
Ash
OK, I think I need to excuse myself.
 
5:10 PM
@badp yes, in that aspect he is part of the first group
 
And it turns out that religion is a number of unequal boxes
 
(on the AIDS thing the second)
 
fair enough.
On the other hand, it's like saying, "you speak English so you're guilty by association"
I dunno
 
@KevinvanderVelden What, no. Feel free to disrespect the awful people, but that's not a reason to disrespect the religion
 
I mean
 
5:12 PM
Hmm, not really what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say "Your religion is good and rainbows and unicorns for you, but that same religion is also used to justify horrible things"
 
much has been said about the use of the language this year
 
There are cases, I would say.
 
Some people use religion as an excuse
 
Fringe, cases
 
@Unionhawk I'm actually not even sure what the literal interpretation of Genesis 1:6-8 is, where god separates the waters from the waters with the sky/heavens. Where did that second water go? Is heaven actually Atlantis? Do we enter the afterlife in a yellow submarine? thinking face
 
5:12 PM
That makes them horrible people, not people following a horrible religion
 
@SaintWacko why not disrespect the religion? Why does religion deserve respect? I'll respect your right to believe whatever you want but that doesn't mean I'll respect what you believe
We can agree to disagree on things
And multiple points of view are also good
 
and yes let's not pretend the whole Christian religious shebang wasn't mostly in favour the whole crusades business, and the whole pay-per-sin scheme, and the whole burn-the-witches business
 
ugh
 
You don't have to believe in it yourself, but I think you should respect others' beliefs
 
What then do you mean by respecting others' beliefs?
So we're not talking about 2 different things
 
5:15 PM
the right of schools to be a secular institution where religions don't get to stick their nose, for starters
which was kind of my whole point
a very non-obvious thing, mind you.
 
Ash
Basically, not constantly telling them every aspect of the thing is stupid and they are stupid
 
I'm sorry if you felt I said that, @Ash.
 
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@Ash I'm not trying to say that (the only thing I called dumb I think was believing something that contradicts itself is literally true and completely accurate)
 
From your answers it's clear that the box I was talking about does exist but does not include you. There are actual people I do feel hopeless about, I'm sorry.
 
Ash
5:17 PM
@badp yes that happened but like....we are trying to move past stuff like that. It's like how not everyone who came from families that owned slaves should be personally vilified for that. We can totally acknowledge the terrible stuff, but we can also work to like....make reparations for that, as best we can.
Holding me responsible for that is just ridiculous. I acknowledge that the religion I hold close to my heart has done problematic shit and continues to do so in some configurations.
 
@Ash yes I know. I'm of christian upbringing myself, yknow, although not as fervently as you, and I never go to mass unless dragged
 
Of course, religion is still, currently, being used as a bad thing
 
I'm a deist (not theist; big difference) myself and still, religion is one of the rare stuff I don't argue about. It's a matter of choice, and we have to respect that. Shaming people for believing (or not believing) in something is really rude, and bridge, I'm disappointed in you.
 
I think we should change the topic to something completely different. This is just going to get worse before it gets even worse.
 
@Wipqozn it got bad and now it's getting better
you captain slowpoke
 
Ash
5:19 PM
@badp I'm not sure of that.
 
@badp I don't think it is. I feel like people are continuing to get upset.
 
Ash
@KevinvanderVelden I never said it wasn't!
 
and people are continuing to say things that are probably better left unsaid
 
Oh boy did I just miss us talking about the place of religion in society?
 
well then, I guess I'm off for a walk
 
5:20 PM
@badp RIP @badp, eaten by a grue
@Ash I know, bleh, I don't know how to say what I mean
 
@KevinvanderVelden you soulless consumerist person, ugh, "buy" a grue
 
@badp I have no idea what you're talking about
 
PayPal 2Fa Bypass : http://tayyabqadir.com/2016/12/17/paypal-2fa-bypass-by-tayyab-qadir/
This is impressive because half the time the PayPal 2FA doesn't work and I can't complete the transaction
 
@KevinvanderVelden YOU STILL SAID THAT COCA COLA CHRISTMAS ADS AND WHATNOT ARE STILL YOUR FAULT FOREVER
 
@KevinvanderVelden RUINED CHRISTMAS: DATA ACCEPTED
 
5:23 PM
@badp what coca cola christmas ads? Did they make bad ads again?
 
@KevinvanderVelden all of them
 
I don't watch tv so I don't really know what you're talking abut
 
@KevinvanderVelden THEN FAKE NEWS ARE YOUR FAULT, TOO
ALL OF THE FAKE NEWS FOREVER
TRUMP IS YOUR FAULT @KevinvanderVelden
 
5:24 PM
YOU DID 2016 @KevinvanderVelden
 
YOU TAKE THAT BACK runs crying
 
@Wipqozn 58 MINUTES AGO NEWS TODAY WITH @Wipqozn
 
TAKE THAT BACK FOR A REFUND? I'M SORRY I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER OF HISTORY
 
@Unionhawk I think he's just trying to change the topic
 
I THINK THIS YEAR IS DEFECTIVE AND I WOULD LIKE A REPLACEMENT
 
5:25 PM
That doesn't make him any less of a fool
 
ManFlu 2016 :(
 
Also I thought up an analogy for what I was trying to say but I'm not gonna post it now
 
I DUNNO THIS CONSUMERIST @KevinvanderVelden TOLD ME YOU COULD DO THAT
 
Ash
@Wipqozn this will never get old. Otters are so fantastic.
 
OH ONLY IF THE YEAR IS UNOPENED OKAY THANKS
I WILL TAKE IT WITH THE PERSON WHO OPENED 2016
 
@TimStone wtf is with people who are seemingly inteligent, and yet can't write down clearly how to accomplish something?!
 
@badp I mean, it makes sense. Half-life 3 would be a super sell-out move
 
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GODDAMMIT @FREDLEY
 
@djsmiley2k Yeah I dunno about that
 
be it how to by pass 2fa on paypal, or how to compile some weird add drivers in the kernel...
 
5:27 PM
HOLY SHIT @fredley IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 2016
11
 
@badp This makes so much sense now
 
1. go to the source; 2. edit something without me providing you either file names, line numbers or any kind of context, 3. 'compile it'
 
you get no points for guessing what that link is
 
It's exactly what I imagined it to be
 
Do I get negative points for claiming to incorrectly guess it as something other than friday?
 
5:29 PM
@Unionhawk :(
 
Also, congratulations @Uni for first archer reference of this year:
 
@Unionhawk so basically people don't give a crap?
good to know the 'media' is continuing to blow up things into something they aren't
 
@Unionhawk It's funny because the real enemy was capitalism all along!
 
and then wondering why people ignore them, and instead listen to the fake news, which amusingly is normally more accurate of what's Actually happening.
 
5:30 PM
@Unionhawk that's a rather... broad grouping
 
@KevinvanderVelden Listen, as it turns out, it doesn't matter
Since whether you're saying merry christmas or happy holidays you're wishing someone well
So like
 
you did 2016 and
I need to go for my walk.
 
Bring a torch so you don't get eaten
 
@Unionhawk Don't tell me who to marry
 
> No. of Respondents: 1,056
Hmm
Then again I don't know what a standard sample size for this kind of survey is...
 
5:43 PM
I mean either way
 
CHAT I have an important decision to make
Shawarma or chicken wraps?
 
Shawarma
 
Which may be just a dutch name
 
You could also decide by fair dice roll but this is 2016 so it's probably actually rigged
 
5:45 PM
@Unionhawk because I can only eat so much and then I'dhave to waste food
I'll have the other tomorrow or something
 
I should also get lunch
LET'S FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY I HAVE RIGHT NOW
 
(they're both bought already so I just need to prepare and eat them)
 
like $30, plenty
 
@Unionhawk You should also get me lunch nods
 
Listen
I only have $30
 
5:47 PM
I'll give you money I just don't have my car
 
Like, to my name
(I have a graduation related check incoming but the bank isn't open)
Now the question is what do I want
 
 
@Yuuki Oh my
 
Is that
 
That would never work, you'd never have enough d20's to roll!
 
5:52 PM
@Unionhawk ~£111,343.56-
:(
 
They'd all dissapear magically
 
@djsmiley2k Yeah, well
$30 cash, $150k debt
 
my moneys right now
 
$8 checking
 
oh moneys? ok
to my name
 
5:52 PM
@Yuuki Also they seem kind of large, are they about the size of those chocolate oranges?
 
£3k credit card to pay off
errr
£200
 
$0.44 savings
 
life right now isn't good, at all :/
 
woo
 
how do i get through to my wife to stop spending money we don't have?
i'm srs :/
 
5:53 PM
Talk with her?
 
it's really stressing me out
told her, over and over :/
one minute it's like 'ok i get it, i'll stop spending'
next day 'So i got the kids these clothes they need'
and i'm like.....
.......
....
 
Talk about a budget and get an account with that much on it?
 
i.e. no more credit cards
 
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5:55 PM
she hasn't got a credit card
aamerica is weird
your banks are weird
 
You take that back, I'm not an american >:(
I also don't have a credit card
 
No google surveys, I am not a COO of a company
>_>
 
do you have a checking account, whatever that is?
 
@Unionhawk but you could be if you want
 
@Unionhawk :D they've never thought I am :(
 
5:56 PM
@KevinvanderVelden This is craziness
 
@TimStone I have a debit card, this card has money on it
 
oh god, you understand banking :O
 
I can't spend money I don't have on it
 
you understand my pain
 
@KevinvanderVelden Does your debit card have rewards?
 
5:57 PM
@TimStone yes, no crushing debt
 
she's got a authorized overdraft on it anyway
 
Well
 
tells me at the begining of the month "I've got no money"
 
Credit cards don't cause debt if you pay them off month by month
 
@KevinvanderVelden We've made $1.3k+ in cash back >_>
 
5:57 PM
(I mean, I own a house)
 
so i'm thinking 'good, you'll buy nothing then'
 
@KevinvanderVelden Is good credit score very important where you live?
 
then.... stuff appears
 
@RedRiderX nope
 
Ah well
 
5:57 PM
@KevinvanderVelden That seems incredibly not-millenial to me
Are we sure @KevinvanderVelden isn't secretly an old man?
 
If not for that I probably wouldn't have one either
 
I have a house too
 
@RedRiderX I got a mortgage without ever having a credit card so
 
@KevinvanderVelden Well here you certainly can as well, and there are other ways to develop a good credit score, but maintaining a credit card is usually the easiest.
 
I just get my online stuff on my credit card because my amazon account is setup on it, that's fine, that's not an issue
the issue is everything else
 
5:59 PM
@RedRiderX Woo student debt building credit
 
oh yes, wife is on maternity leave too
 
@djsmiley2k communicate, say it's stressing you out, set budgets for specific things
 
yeah
she just don't get it
 
@Yuuki Honestly can't tell what kind of food these are made out ofl.
 
Get her a card that can't spend more money than you put on it
And get yourself one too, even if you don't need it, so it's not just attacking her
 
6:02 PM
BRIDGE
WHAT DO I WANT FOR LUNCH
 
@Unionhawk BOAT
Wait, EX-BOAT
Boring
And I suggest rolls dice potato
Hmm, rolls again... potato
 
Did you actually just roll a potato just now?
 
Damnit these are dutch food dice they only say potato don't they?
@Unionhawk no
I have potato slices I could roll if I must
 
I should think you would flip those
 
Yes, but then I wouldn't be rolling a potato
I'd be flipping a potato which is far less ridiculous (after all, you flip them while baking)
Or whichever word you use for making them
 
6:06 PM
I'm also imagining that you just happen to have potato slices in your pocket by the way
 
I like this idea, I won't dispell it
 
Hmmmmmmm
 
@Unionhawk I had an okay soup in a Tim Hortons.
So I suggest you come up to Canada and have one
 
...tim hortons has soup?
 
Yes
 
6:09 PM
(there are tim hortons in dayton)
 
Oh right there are a significant number of timmies in the US
(I don't know if the american ones have everything)
 
Not really significant, but, nonzero
And, as far as I've found, extremely regional
 
And there are also Tims food trucks, but only in the US, which bums me out
 
I've only ever seen them in Dayton and Columbus
 
Ash
@RedRiderX they do decent soups. Some are kinda bland but they're predictable which I appreciate
 
6:12 PM
Hmmmmmm
 
I should make soup again
That was a success last time
 
All right, let's see...
 
Ash
@KevinvanderVelden yes! What sort of soup?
 
Chicken probably
I like chicken soup
 
I could do chipotle, I could do a place that essentially is chipotle-except-korean-food (they make bowls with rice and meat and such, it's basically chipotle), I could do penn station, I could do skyline, I could do a burger...
 
6:20 PM
@KevinvanderVelden yeah might have to do exactly this
 
Ash
@Unionhawk I vote the Korean one
 
There's also a new place that does this kind of thing:
 
Ash
What's skyline
@KevinvanderVelden that is a very tasty kind of soup
 
@Ash It's the cincinnati thing that @LessPop makes fun of
 
6:22 PM
@Ash also super generic =p
 
@MBraedley Holy shit
Just...holy shit
 
Hmm, I like these extra seasoning/herbs on my shawarma, my tongue is burning
@Unionhawk also an option: Going to a grocery shop and getting tasty things and making your own lunch
 
Well, the main reason this isn't on the table is because I'm moving out of this house today or tomorrow
So any extra will have to come home with me
 
Oh yeah that makes it more difficult
 
@KevinvanderVelden That is un-American, get out
 
6:31 PM
Well, no, he raises a good point, but I'm just too lazy
 
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@Unionhawk I maintain my point that thinking ahead, especially when it comes to food, is decidedly un-American
 
GVB uses Windows XP for the on board screens
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6:43 PM
@Unionhawk "you don't have debt if you pay for it"
 
What I'm saying is that a credit card is functionally a debit card if you don't carry a balance
 
Also safer in the US due to liability
 
And also 1.5% cash back on many yeah
builds credit score
OR DESTROYS YOUR LIFE IF YOU'RE AN IDIOT ABOUT IT
\o/
 
I get 6% cashback on groceries, 4% on gas, 3% on restaurants, 2% at Costco, and 1.75% on everything else + bonus cashback offers sunglasses
 
Good god
 
6:48 PM
I then take those cashback rewards and deposit them into a 0.75% yield savings account as an emergency fund
 
Neat
 
Then I sigh and think longingly back to the days when you used to be able to get like 2-3% yield on savings accounts
 
Indeed
I think I get...
Actually, I have no idea what I get on my savings
 
…And then remember that was built on the backs of giving people subprime mortgages so really I can deal
My bank gives me a terrible rate which is in part due to one of my accounts being the wrong type for a combo rate they have |:
But the 0.75% comes from a Capital One 360 savings account
 
Ah so that's probably what I get lol
 
6:52 PM
@Unionhawk "it can destroy a life but look at how many cents I'm saving"
 
There are other considerations
It's not as simple as "CREDIT CARDS ARE EVIL AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
 
Yeah I'm sorry you have e to deal with credit score
 
I mean for me my score is already fine
 
With credit score I too would have to get a CC
 
Since I've got like 100 consecutive made payments on my student loans so
yaaaaaaaay
 
6:53 PM
everyone has to get a CC with credit score
 
@badp You could finance a car instead! At 10% APR lolno
 
I should look into refinancing my loans now that I have credit
or something
get them off Sallie Mae for the love of jesus
 
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@TimStone this is a free space-ship, you can't kick me >:(
Well, you can, but not for that
 
I totally want to now
But then I'd have to pay @badp to tell you that it was @TimStone who did it
And in fact I've already ruined that plan haven't I
I should get lunch finally and then watch C9 vs EnVyUs
Which is going to be one hell of a series
 
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@Unionhawk which one is the halloleen form
hallolean
halolean
helorean
 
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@TimStone the payday loan companies are lols
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It's sad when you see one at 100% and think 'wow, that's almost reasonable'
helorean
delorean
 
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7:53 PM
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