The Nineteenth Byte

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

18:00

@NathanMerrill ok, I'll take a look into it. But I think as an excecise at some point I'll parse my own cfg for SILOS

a = (any mathematical expression)

where expressions can use * + - / % ()

Nathan Merrill

I mean, you could but why reinvent the wheel?

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@RohanJhunjhunwala how does S.I.L.O.S. handle variables?

quartata

@Geobits adding this as a browser substitution

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei it writes them directly to the first 128 spots of the heap where the address it assigns it to is the ascii character code

@NathanMerrill I'll make the switch to a better Parser, but I would like to learn how they do it. I agree I shouldnt reinvent the parser

DLosc

@NathanMerrill Because reinventing wheels is fun :P

Releasing Helium Nuclei

18:02

Does = = 3 work :p

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei yes technically but you are a monster

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei 1 = 3 works too

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@RohanJhunjhunwala i know

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei you've tried it??!!!

Nathan Merrill

nah, he just knows he's a monster

Releasing Helium Nuclei

> but you are a monster

quartata

18:04

@Dennis Then we'll just remove app and the first r in armor

Business Cat

ಠ_ಠ

Still not the same as SELinux though

Nathan Merrill

@RohanJhunjhunwala how "print" know what's a variable and what's a value?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill there are two different prints

printInt x //prints the value of x

print x
//prints "x"

printLine x
"x\n"

Nathan Merrill

2 = 3
printInt 2

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

and printChar x (casts x to a char) and prints

@NathanMerrill it should print 3

Releasing Helium Nuclei

18:07

silos.tryitonline.net/…

Aaa

Nathan Merrill

doesn't that seem...a bit odd

Leaky Nun

Why is there no mod here

@RohanJhunjhunwala Do you think you should create a room for SILOS

El'endia Starman

@LeakyNun Eh?

Martin Ender

anyone else annoyed that the "N questions with new activity" link is blue now?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun on it!

Leaky Nun

18:07

@El'endiaStarman Could you or @MartinEnder please move all messages related to SILOS to SILOS room?

@MartinEnder here

El'endia Starman

@LeakyNun I would, but it's a bit hard at the moment to tell what's related and what's not.

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@NathanMerrill silos.tryitonline.net/#code=MyA9IDQKcHJpbnRJbnQgMw&input=

Martin Ender

@LeakyNun are you complaining that there's too much on-topic discussion going on in here?

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Releasing Helium Nuclei

Lol

Leaky Nun

@MartinEnder Ja.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

18:08

Shameless promotion of the SILOS room

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/44545/sil-silos

Nathan Merrill

@RohanJhunjhunwala it looks like if I have a variable named a number, its impossible to use that variable in an expression

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill yes, its a feature

Leaky Nun

@El'endiaStarman Well... I believe you can

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill there is no legitimate use case of naming a variable a number

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@NathanMerrill it's a feature

Leaky Nun

18:09

Why are we still talking about SILOS here?

Releasing Helium Nuclei

Lol my connection speed make me a fat ninja

Nathan Merrill

@RohanJhunjhunwala then why is it supported?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun because it is a superior language

Business Cat

S.I.L.O.S has a lot of good features, like being unable to indent

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Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill honestly, I somewhat slapped it together slopily, I found it humorous that it is possible

TimmyD

18:10

Not being able to use a variable in an expression. Sounds like a Microsoft Feature™.

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El'endia Starman

@LeakyNun Eh, I could try, but I'm not sure it would be worth it. Feel free to carry on any further language-specific discussion in that room.

Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala Are you still doing it?

TùxCräftîñg

@RohanJhunjhunwala underhanded

Adnan

@MartinEnder yes, it's a bit irritating

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun yes I''m still on it I'm almost there

Business Cat

18:14

Now I'm confused silos.tryitonline.net/…

Leaky Nun

@BusinessCat brilliant

TimmyD

@MartinEnder I find it harder to read the blue-on-grey

Leaky Nun

@BusinessCat So you can have a variable name as an integer but you cannot use it

Nathan Merrill

@BusinessCat the expression on the right is parsed as a value first, then as a variable

TùxCräftîñg

what link are you talking about?

Leaky Nun

18:15

@BusinessCat But you can use the variable if it is the argument of printInt

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun done! silos.tryitonline.net/…

Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala .....

I was talking about this challenge

Business Cat

Wat silos.tryitonline.net/…

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun oh, I'll do that next

Business Cat

I see

Nathan Merrill

18:16

wait, if it was ignored, then 5 should be 0

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@BusinessCat it's java script type immplicit casting

Business Cat

^

Nathan Merrill

but if it was 5 = 2 then, it should be 2

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ¯ಠ SILOS is weird

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill that line gets treated as 5 = 2 where 2 is the variable 2

@TùxCräftîñg stop that blasphepy

Business Cat

18:17

@TùxCräftîñg s/weird/superior/

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

*blashemy

TùxCräftîñg

SILOS is superiorly weird

Nathan Merrill

why does "2" get treated as a variable?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill it try catches the integer.parseINt

TùxCräftîñg

:O

Nathan Merrill

18:18

oh lol

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

so it takes the first character of 2+2 which is 2 and treates that as a variable name

TùxCräftîñg

so to force a expression to be treaten as a variable: <var><any character>

Nathan Merrill

so you can use the variable 2, you juts have to ensure the rest of the line isn't an integer

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

yes its a feature

somewhat...

TùxCräftîñg

everything is a feature

Nathan Merrill

18:19

yeah, sounds like a feature to me. All possible outcomes are possible, so everybody is happy

Releasing Helium Nuclei

Any CMC for SILOS?

Leaky Nun

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei Swap two numbers in place (don't look above as I posted the solution above)

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@LeakyNun i did look, i can't unsee

Business Cat

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei CMC: Understand SILOS

Leaky Nun

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei I believe you can't recall the exact commands

Releasing Helium Nuclei

18:21

@LeakyNun lemme try

@BusinessCat i do

TùxCräftîñg

@BusinessCat exempt

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun shameless SILOS self promotion

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A: Sylvester's sequence

SILOS 201 bytes readIO def : lbl set 128 2 set 129 3 j = i if j z print 2 GOTO e :z j - 1 if j Z print 3 GOTO e :Z i - 1 :a a = 127 b = 1 c = 1 :b b * c a + 1 c = get a if c b b + 1 set a b i - 1 if i a printInt b :e Feel free to try it online!

Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala I don't see any point posting a 201-byte answer while upvoting a 60-byte answer...

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun I took great pains to write it. It is fairly golfed so, It's worth posting for reference.

Leaky Nun

@NathanMerrill First line is useless

Nathan Merrill

18:23

oh

Leaky Nun

"5" = 2
"5" += 2
print("5")

Nathan Merrill

the link didn't update

silos.tryitonline.net/…

integer overflow exists

TùxCräftîñg

@TùxCräftîñg witchcraft — Rohan Jhunjhunwala 1 min ago

Leaky Nun

@NathanMerrill integer overflow

TùxCräftîñg

seems legit

Leaky Nun

18:24

because it is written in Java and uses int

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@LeakyNun silos.tryitonline.net/… is dis gud

Leaky Nun

How does a 201-byte answer get more upvote than a 60-byte answer?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat your opinion on this username?

theLambGoat

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Leaky Nun

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei Nice, but my answer is 2 lines less

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@LeakyNun wateva

Works

Leaky Nun

18:28

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei a-b and a+b cancelled out each other

TùxCräftîñg

@LeakyNun because the 60 bytes answer is understandable but the 201 bytes one involve witchcraft

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg ...

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@LeakyNun how i didn't notice that ;_;

silos.tryitonline.net/… v2

Leaky Nun

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei You forgot to click save

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@LeakyNun edited

Leaky Nun

18:31

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei Good, that's exactly my solution.

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@LeakyNun wow

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@LeakyNun are you trying to do it without assigning c?

Leaky Nun

CMC: exponent

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yes

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

FOG, 1 byte: p

@LeakyNun oh, cool

Leaky Nun

14 mins ago, by Releasing Helium Nuclei

Any CMC for SILOS?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:34

oops, sorry

TùxCräftîñg

0

A: This isn't rocket science

Neoscript, 76 bytes {s|" | /_\\ "+(s as Array):map({e|" |"+e+"| "}):fuse()+" |_| /___\\ VvV"}

the as notation is so verbose :/

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

What's the status on our site design?

Leaky Nun

Exponent in SILOS

Come on, does anyone have any CMC for SILOS

TùxCräftîñg

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Q: This isn't rocket science

Write a program or function that takes in a single-line string. You can assume it only contains printable ASCII. Print or return a string of an ASCII art rocket such as | /_\ |E| |a| |r| |t| |h| |_| /___\ VvV with the input string written from top to bottom on the fuselage. In this ...

code-golf string ascii-art

^ do this in SILOS

TimmyD

Print pi to input n decimal places.

Leaky Nun

18:37

@TùxCräftîñg Done

TùxCräftîñg

:/

Leaky Nun

@TimmyD too difficult

TimmyD

Complains no challenge. Challenge given. Complains too hard challenge. :p

TùxCräftîñg

ah true

no floating point in SILOS

Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala Are you doing it?

Business Cat

18:39

CMC: Factorial in SILOS

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

CMC: Interpret SILOS in SILOS.

TùxCräftîñg

^

Leaky Nun

@BusinessCat Done

@BusinessCat And golfed

Releasing Helium Nuclei

ill port SILOS to C, Superb Interpreted Language Interpreted In Superber Language SILIISR

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Nathan Merrill

18:40

is there a silos quine?

TùxCräftîñg

@NathanMerrill 0 byte:

Nathan Merrill

doesn't count

Business Cat

Yes there is

Poke

@TùxCräftîñg How come this challenge is ok but the cowsay challenge was put on hold

TùxCräftîñg

wat

Business Cat

18:41

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A: Golf you a quine for great good!

S.I.L.O.S 6425 See docuentation here https://github.com/rjhunjhunwala/S.I.L.O.S set a 47 a + 1 set a 47 a + 1 set a 109 a + 1 set a 121 a + 1 set a 32 a + 1 set a 97 a + 1 set a 112 a + 1 set a 111 a + 1 set a 108 a + 1 set a 111 a + 1 set a 103 a + 1 set a 105 a + 1 set a 101 a + 1 set a 115...

Poke

@TùxCräftîñg not talking about your answer but the question itself.

TùxCräftîñg

@BusinessCat wat

@Poke ik

Poke

Peter Taylor put a related challenge in the comments

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@TùxCräftîñg meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/5337/56721 it's officially not funny

orlp

pattern defeating quicksort visualization

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Rohan Jhunjhunwala

18:43

@LeakyNun yes

orlp

pattern defeating quicksort visualization

Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala ok

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@orlp which algorithm is this

orlp

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei ^^^

Sherlock9

4k! Woot!

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Business Cat

18:45

Grats

Leaky Nun

@Sherlock9 Congratulations!

TùxCräftîñg

no love for Neo<integral>cript ;_;

ColdGolf

12.k5 posts per week.

TùxCräftîñg

@Sherlock9 congrats

bai

Sherlock9

Thank you! I owe a lot of it to Leaky Nun, for both his alphabet challenges and his help with all the Actually answers :D

orlp

18:47

I'm almost up to 20k

Releasing Helium Nuclei

im almost .6k

Leaky Nun

@Sherlock9 Finally someone who appreciates my alphabet challenges.

orlp

@LeakyNun did you see the visualization?

Leaky Nun

@orlp yes?

Poke

Almost up to 200

noice

orlp

18:48

alright ^^

Releasing Helium Nuclei

i've just realized

i'll be 0x10 in 10 days

El'endia Starman

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei What base is the second 10 in? :P

orlp

@El'endiaStarman everyone uses base 10

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@El'endiaStarman in base 10

El'endia Starman

@orlp I knew you would respond with that smart-alecky comment of yours! :P

Releasing Helium Nuclei

18:51

@orlp nice ninja

orlp

@LeakyNun I made that algorithm :P

Leaky Nun

@orlp you made quicksort?

orlp

@LeakyNun pattern defeating* quicksort

El'endia Starman

@LeakyNun Implement Tetris.

orlp

github.com/orlp/pdqsort

Leaky Nun

18:52

@orlp what is that supposed to mean?

Oh, alright

@orlp makes documentation without the actual algorithm

seems legit

Sherlock9

@orlp Any relation to P. D. Q. Bach?

orlp

@Sherlock9 nope

@LeakyNun ? the algorithm is in pdqsort.h

Leaky Nun

@orlp self-documenting code...

flawr

TimmyD

NASA: Breaking the laws of physics since the 80s and not telling anyone.

orlp

18:54

@LeakyNun the algorithm is the code, there is no simple explanation

Leaky Nun

@orlp alright

Releasing Helium Nuclei

> I hate that I cannot come up with any better ppcg challenges than the popular ones others have already posted.

FTFY

Business Cat

I'm guessing they meant sound...

ColdGolf

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei You're not using FTFY properly..

TimmyD

@BusinessCat Undoubtedly.

Business Cat

18:55

Even then, 18x the speed of sound is pretty damn fast

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@ColdGolf oh he's back

orlp

@LeakyNun if you want a more in-depth explanation of how it works you can read a draft of my paper: drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-vl-dPgKm_T0Fxeno1a0lGT0E/view

ColdGolf

@BusinessCat That's not enough. It's crazy damn pretty super fast.

Leaky Nun

@orlp exempt

orlp

exempt?

Leaky Nun

18:57

Never mind, I won't understand it

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

the zyabin is spreading

(cc @zyabin101)

orlp

@LeakyNun I don't know what you mean by exempt

Leaky Nun

@orlp It means "Never mind, I won't understand it"

orlp

exempt is not used in that way :P

(AFAIK)

ColdGolf

@LeakyNun What an interesting acronym...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:57

@ColdGolf let's not use that here, and both definitions as perfectly fine.

ColdGolf

Use what here?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@orlp zyabin101 started it, it's caught on among some other people

orlp

@LeakyNun "I'll pass" ;)

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@ColdGolf it really is, we are orbiting around Sagittarius A* at about 670 mach

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> You're not using FTFY properly..

ColdGolf

18:58

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei That's crazy, pretty, damn, super, fast.

flawr

> Your not using FYtF proprely

Anonymous

You guys sound like Markov chat bots trying to collectively figure out English slang and internet acronyms :P

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Nathan Merrill

language design question: Lets say I have a function with two required parameters: divide(dividend: Int, divisor: Int). I do allow parameters to be passed by position divide(4,2), or by name divide(divisor: 2, dividend: 4). Should I allow mixing of the two (aka, Python style)?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

?

ColdGolf

> ur not using ftf prrtly

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:59

@Mego shhhhh

Releasing Helium Nuclei

> u no use ftfy prprly

flawr

@Mego Has there ever been something like that???

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Up to you. In my opinion, mixing positional and named arguments doesn't add anything, and actually makes things more confusing.

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