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@TIPS You've never watched the original Cosmos, have you? Us not blowing ourselves up is the last factor in the Drake equation.
 
 
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1:43 AM
Subject pronoun: We Afghans have our special cuisine.
Object pronoun: Have you tried the cuisine of us Afghans?
 
Correct!
And greetings.
 
Does this construction work with possessive pronouns?
Greetings!
 
Well, possessives work differently.
Normally only the last member of a possessive nominal group takes the possessive marker.
Why?
I'm sure there are exceptions...
 
I was thinking about something liek Us Afghans' cuisine.
Didn't sound right.
 
Mmm ugly.
 
1:45 AM
The actual term I encountered was our young persons' vernacular
 
Yes.
If you must use that construction, it should be as you proposed.
I can't type straight.
 
I guess that parses as [our [younger persons' vernacular]]
 
I don't think so.
 
Not as [[our younger persons]'s vernacular]
@Cerberus Oh
 
I think it should be the latter.
 
1:47 AM
Our children's lingo.
 
But in theory it depends on context.
Yes.
 
@Cerberus right
 
Ola.
Estoy un poquito enebriado.
 
Estoy
 
Ahh.
 
1:49 AM
But the construction with possessives looks ugly all the same, huh?
 
See, I can't even get the Spanish tenses straight. Or I'm always...
 
Otherwise it is passive voice
 
@Færd Probably yes.
(O mucho.)
 
Thank you two.
 
I am easily inebriated by mojitos.
 
1:50 AM
I by anything.
De nada.
 
Qué muchacho más borracho
=drunk
 
Okay I messed up the parsing up there.
And my example was irrelevant.
 
All that ser/estar stuff also applies to Portuguese, mostly. For the record.
 
Can you use buddy, pal, or mate for a female friend?
Ah, LDOCE says buddy and mate are especially used for males. So I guess pal works for both.
 
Be careful!
 
2:02 AM
Don't worry; I don't have intimate enough English speaking female friends to use these on them.
 
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A: Is there a word for colloquial forms of address?

tchristInformal forms of address: colloquial vocatives, faux intimates, hailnames What you’re talking about are informal forms of address, colloquial vocatives, faux intimates, or my favorite from William Safire, hailnames. They’re forms of direct address (hence vocatives) used in casual situations as...

 
Actually there's nobody for me to converse in English with, except for you ELU and ELL chat room denizens. :)
@tchrist Thanks.
 
@tchrist Io lo so.
@Færd I wouldn't use any of those except in a very informal context.
 
Hmm..
 
ELU will happily function as your interlocutor.
 
2:06 AM
See my attempts to warn off learners from ill-advised intimacies.
 
nods
 
@Cerberus And I'm grateful for it.
 
feels slightly better
Good.
 
HI
anyone there??
 
Hi!
 
2:08 AM
Hola 'mano.
 
how is every one here
 
Talk to the hand. :-)
 
hmm
??
 
Tired. Night falls.
 
2:10 AM
Mano means hand.
Or short for HERmano, brother.
 
You are Mano (j)
 
cant understand yet
 
Well I'm Spangling a bit.
 
2:14 AM
I'm in the American southwest, so these things happen even in the best of families.
Sorry just funnin.
 
hmmmm
 
Phone call biab
 
lol a bit
 
Coño you changed your name
Dizzying
 
ya
so what
@tchrist are you supriesed
 
2:21 AM
He's just kidding.
 
@Cerberus @tchrist long time no see homies
 
Yo yo!
 
here too
 
2:37 AM
@microbuster Ayy. Your pic is cool
 
ya man
 
@Cerberus Just remembered - what happened to your bitcoins?
 
@Cerberus Both yesterday and today Lorin brought me a little rattlesnake alive.
 
...Literally?
 
Yes.
 
2:45 AM
Don't they bite?
 
Oh yes.
 
You sound too excited lol
 
These are little ones, but still I call him dragon-hunter.
 
2:46 AM
tchrist. For having a rattle snake
 
Today was his third this summer.
It must be from the same brood. I can see them getting older, larger, adding a rattle from each molt.
 
I always was interested in the anatomy of their rattle.
 
Moult?
This confuses me.
I think it might need a u.
 
In biology, moulting, also known as sloughing, shedding, or in many invertebrates, ecdysis, is the manner in which an animal routinely casts off a part of its body (often, but not always, an outer layer or covering), either at specific times of the year, or at specific points in its life cycle. Moulting can involve shedding the epidermis (skin), pelage (hair, feathers, fur, wool), or other external layer. In some groups, other body parts may be shed, for example, wings in some insects or the entire exoskeleton in arthropods. == Examples == == In birds == In birds, moulting is the perio...
 
2:48 AM
Eugh.
 
bhle
 
Each ring of the rattle is the remnant of one shed skin.
 
Is there something loose inside that creates the noise?
 
colorado rattlesnake
 
i love it
 
2:49 AM
 
It was that kind. But tiny.
That one is brand new, but today's was larger.
 
So small! Where are their mommys?
 
3:08 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog That's exactly what I want to know. That's 5 over the past year, and surely within a block or at most two of my house.
They grow to 42".
 
@PhonicsTheHedgehog I had to sell them.
Still at a high profit, but much less than could have been.
And you?
@tchrist Frightening!
Are they dangerous?
 
Only if they bite.
> Colorado is home to about 30 species of snakes. Of these, only three snakes are a risk to humans: the prairie rattlesnake, the Western rattlesnake (also known as the midget-faded rattlesnake) and the massasauga rattlesnake. Do you see the pattern here? The only venomous snakes native to Colorado are rattlesnakes.
> But no matter what species administered the bite, the best option is to have it looked at by a doctor. Don’t try any of the Western remedies you’ve heard about like cutting open the bite and attempting to suck out the venom. Leave the bite alone and seek medical attention as quickly as possible. The best “first-aid kit” for a snake bite is your cell phone and car keys. If possible, call ahead to the medical facility so doctors can be prepared with the appropriate treatments.
> It has been estimated that 7,000–8,000 people per year receive venomous bites in the United States, and about 5 of those people die. Most fatal bites are attributed to the eastern and western diamondback rattlesnake.
 
@Cerberus Alas, I only thought of them now. They are not much in my mind, and I don't have funds to buy them, anyway. :P
Glad you got some profit off of it though
@tchrist Yuge. What do you plan to do with them on the long run?
 
So only 5 people die out of those 7-8k bitten. Is that dangerous? It is a very very painful venom.
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Oh, in the long run I will outrun them.
> I'm going to focus on the USA because I live here and because we have some of the best data. In the USA, only 1 out of every 500 people bitten by a venomous snake dies as a result, which includes deaths from bites that take place under several special circumstances that we'll discuss later.
> You're actually safer from venomous snakebite in the USA than in any other country on Earth where venomous snakes kill people, thanks to our excellent medical care, relatively benign venomous snake fauna, and large proportion of the population that live in urban areas where venomous snakes are scarce.
> Western Diamondback Rattlesnakes (Crotalus atrox)
are large and widespread in the southwestern USA.
A recent study showed rattlesnake size to be among the
most important factors determining bite severity, with the
largest snakes causing the most serious bites.
I just don't especially like that there's a big nest of them somewhere "in my back yard".
> Pit vipers are generally pretty retiring snakes, a fact observed most poignantly by both the herpetologist Clifford Pope, who called them first cowards, then bluffers, then warriors, and also by Ben Franklin, who wrote of a rattlesnake: "She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders...she never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."
Mosquitos are more dangerous.
> Today in the USA, medical treatment for snakebite is so good (thanks to synthetic antivenoms with few side-effects), and research on snake venom has come so far (with much left to learn!), that there is little justification for the overblown fear bordering on hatred people have of snakes.
 
@tchrist Gonna stock up on poison antidote? Heh
 
3:20 AM
in Stack Overflow en español, 1 hour ago, by fredyfx
que la fuerza os acompañe
@PhonicsTheHedgehog No of course not.
I live near major hospitals.
 
@tchrist Still, extra precautions...
@tchrist I want to learn Spanish; the only reason being that I want to read Don Quixote in its original form.
 
He dies at the end
 
@Mitch Hiya
Yeah I heard that much
Was reading preface in one of translations
How Sancho and Quixote has a discussion in his deathbed
 
Sancho dies too?
 
Not sure. I'm still on chapter 20-ish in translated versions.
 
3:30 AM
after he puts the pillow over Quiqui's face
he throws himself from the clock tower
I have absolutely no idea. I'm just trying to ruin the book for you without knowing.
I think that should be everyone's mission.
Harry Potter? Dies at the end.
 
Technically, yeah
 
Rocky Balboa? Dies at the end
Mr. Knightly? You guessed it. He bit the big one right before Lizzie Bennet lopped off his head with a samurai sword
 
Never heard of either. :L
 
@PhonicsTheHedgehog That's commendable but perhaps asking a lot. You will need several years of study first. And it is full of archaic forms and expressions no longer current. Also remember that it was the first novel ever so the pacing is not what you are used to. There are still approaches that can help
@Mitch And they lived happily ever after is a tale out of Faërie.
 
@tchrist is it just ... slow?
That's what I find, that older books are just very slowly paced.
or it could be memory, that you remember many important scenes or saying or thoughts, but they come from reams and reams of narrative.
 
3:46 AM
@Mitch It can seem slow if you're struggling with the language.
> I want to see mountains again, Gandalf, mountains, and then find somewhere where I can rest. In peace and quiet, without a lot of relatives prying around, and a string of confounded visitors hanging on the bell. I might find somewhere where I can finish my book. I have thought of a nice ending for it: and he lived happily ever after to the end of his days.
There's a lot to the Quijote on many levels.
 
@tchrist haha they all 'go the west', either a metaphor for dying or an allegory of emigrating to America.
 
There is a lot of cultural context you might miss.
 
@tchrist One must aim for greatness. :L
I also yearn to learn Italian to read Divine Comedy; the lack of terza rima in translated versions leaves me wanting.
 
He has a rare voice, does he not?
 
From what I've heard, yeah.
 
3:58 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog It is nice.
 
Also French, to read D'Artagnan Romances
@tchrist Heard that it is easy to create rhyme in Latin. So perhaps it is easier in Italian, also.
 
Thank you. For reminding me. That I have things to be thankful for. Uncommon joys.
 
I aim to create thanks
 
I can do those things you yearn for. It's been some time since I have come across someone who has longed for them, or since I have taken joy in them myself. But there were five or ten years of study to get me there. Closer to ten I suppose.
Italian rhyme is what we now expect
Dante used it. It is easier to rhyme that way in Italian perhaps.
 
I yearn to learn Perl, but my friends insist on Python. Heh
 
4:08 AM
But Spanish and older English each have other kinds of rhyme. Spanish rhymes vowels not consonants. Old and Middle English used head rhyme so alliterative rhyme. Sir Gawain and the Green Knight used both.
 
Interesting! I heard that some poems in Don Quixote had literally untranslatable rhyme scheme.
 
@PhonicsTheHedgehog I live in a full perl ecosystem so am lucky.
 
Hi guys, I need help with English translation
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 yo
@tchrist I struggle to retain my C# identity while being neck-deep in Python ecosystem
 
What is the best way to say in English the following sentence: "This region has also a lot of society activities"?
 
4:13 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog English speakers do not register assonant rhyme as rhyme. Dreamy and fear thee.
 
I mean the region very busy with society activities
Any idea?
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Perhaps "This region is bustling with activities"?
 
Also has not has also
 
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Yes but those English examples do it little justice.
Any of the Lorca ones are better.
 
4:17 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog That's a good one. Thanks
@tchrist Grazie...
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 No prob. I'd check for tchrist's opinion of my sentence to be safe. :D
@tchrist Lorca?
Federico del Sagrado Corazón de Jesús García Lorca, known as Federico García Lorca (Spanish pronunciation: [feðeˈɾiko ɣarˈθi.a ˈlorka]; 5 June 1898 – 19 August 1936) was a Spanish poet, playwright, and theatre director. García Lorca achieved international recognition as an emblematic member of the Generation of '27. The Generation of '27 was a group consisting of mostly poets who introduced the tenets of European movements (such as symbolism, futurism, and surrealism) into Spanish literature. He was executed by Nationalist forces at the beginning of the Spanish Civil War. His body has never been...
 
Yes
Romance de la luna, luna
Look at the rhyme.
He rhymes mirando with estaño, etc.
That is assonant rhyme. See how it works?
 
Oh snap, I don't even speak Spanish and I can feel the assonance.
This is amazing
How come us English speakers don't have this ㅠㅠ
 
I don't know. Ask @Cerberus
 
Patiently awaits
 
4:25 AM
I think because we were so taken in with Italian rhyme.
Chaucer used it, and all after him.
We almost completely dropped our older forms. There are some in Macbeth though, alliterative assonances.
 
Does the sentence: "This region is located very strategically and is also bustling with activities mainly students and office employees so that it has a good prospect of business to establish a restaurant that offers affordable prices yet keeping the good taste foods" sound natural to native?
 
Well...
It's a run-on sentence
 
Maybe anyone can improve it?
 
not the best style
 
That's when the front and rear consonants match but the vowel switches. Fail and fall, bake and beck.
 
4:29 AM
@Mitch I know that, that's why I want someone here help me to improve it
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Oh. I didn't know that you knew that.
You could have been asking if it were grammatical.
 
@Mitch I mean I've never been good at this thing
 
Wait..if you knew all that then why ask?
 
No, no. I'm not so sure
Is that grammatically correct?
 
@tchrist Ah. Accent emphasis difference?
 
4:33 AM
I don't know really. French also dropped assonant rhyme and went with the Italian style.
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 It's really long and hard to follow. It seems grammatical but don't worry about it, just cut it up into much smaller pieces.
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Could perhaps be two sentence instead. First sentence saying about how students and employees, the second about affordability and food.
 
@Mitch OK, I'll try
 
@tchrist Heh, took French and Italian in high school; prob should've taken Spanish to further my rhyming mind
 
gotta go.
lviiir
 
4:36 AM
Tolkien uses internal assonant rhyme in a couple of his poems, the two with the hardest and most unusual of rhyme schemes. Errantry and Eärendil.
 
@Mitch Night
 
I commend them both to you.
 
@tchrist Do you think he named his Elves with the task of rhyming in mind?
@tchrist I'll check them out~
 
How about this one: "This region is located very strategically and is also bustling with activities mainly students and office employees. Therefore, it has a good prospect of business to establish a restaurant that offers affordable prices yet maintaining the good taste foods."?
 
Well he created the language solely so he could write poetry in it, and he created the elves to speak it, and he created the world for them to live in. Understand now where it all began.
 
4:41 AM
@tchrist Holy cow, he conned us all
The long game
 
Well Peter Jackson certainly did.
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 For the end part of the first sentence, "mainly students...", perhaps you can place that on front to avoid awkwardness.
 
Poetry was what begat a world 70 years in the making.
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 The second one sounds better, but I feel that the first dozen words are a little off for some reason.
@tchrist 70 years?
 
Something like that. Yes.
 
4:44 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Like what?
This region is located very strategically and is also bustling with society activities especially students and office employees? @PhonicsTheHedgehog
 
He began very young perhaps 12 or less and lived 70 years after that. All the earliest tales were written when he was in his teens and early twenties.
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Perhaps: "This region is strategically located; in terms of social activity, it bustles with students and office employees."
Little bits of punctuation used to cut things up in chunks~
 
> Tolkien first began working on the stories that would become The Silmarillion in 1914,[9] intending them to become an English mythology that would explain the origins of English history and culture.[10] Much of this early work was written while Tolkien, then a British officer returned from France during World War I, was in hospital and on sick leave.[11] He completed the first story, "The Fall of Gondolin", in late 1916.[12]
 
@tchrist Meanwhile, I shake my head whenever I take a look at my fanfics.
 
Heh
 
4:50 AM
ㅠㅠ
 
@PhonicsTheHedgehog I think this sounds better: "This region is strategically located and it bustles with students and office employees activities."
@skillpatrol Hi, long time no see :)
 
Hi @Anastasiya-Romanova秀
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Sure! Just one more thing: "This region is strategically located and it bustles with students' and office employees' activities." This is to show possession.
@skillpatrol ayy
 
Hi @PhonicsTheHedgehog
and hello all
 
Wasn't it originally "skull patrol"?
 
4:53 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Yep, forgot the apostrophe
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 looks good
 
Yep @PhonicsTheHedgehog
 
Can't think of other vowles that might fit
Skall patrol? Skell patrol? Skoll patrol?
Ehhh
 
:D
Gotta run
See y'all later
 
4:58 AM
@skillpatrol night
 
What is the other term for therefore, because of that, or for that reason that can be put in front of a sentence?
@skillpatrol Why do you go so fast? Busy?
I meant why do you leave?
 
consequently, so, as a result, hence, thus, accordingly...
 
 
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6:13 AM
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I try to be :)
 
6:36 AM
What is the synonym of capital's owner?
@Cerberus Help
 
7:25 AM
Capitalist?
 
7:53 AM
@simchona I'm not even sure if or when you are coming back, but here goes. There was always some friction between us, and looking back I realize that I was immature and headstrong. My youth can only excuse so much. I have regrets as to how I behaved in this chatroom, so I'd like to apologize for that. This goes also to other chatters who treated with me great patience.
 
 
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9:14 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Did the ping go through though?
They're not in the pingable users list, so most probably not.
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 President? I have no idea what you mean.
 
10:14 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Simchona hasn't been in the chat room lately so won't receive your ping. You might want to leave them a comment under one of their posts instead.
 
 
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4:39 PM
@TIPS @terdon It's for all old regulars in the chatroom, at any rate.
 
Fair enough and very laudable. I'm just letting you know that it won't get to simchona that way.
 
 
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7:36 PM
@terdon Thanks. IMO, an apology benefits the apologer more than the apologee.
 
 
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8:43 PM
> Computer and internet grammar has evolved rapidly since the late 1980s. You rarely see people saying they're going to be "on the World Wide Web" anymore, nor do you see "Internet" capitalized much, as was common 20 years ago.
Inquiring minds want to know: what are computer grammar and internet grammar? Is that when you put the verbs before the subjects in declarative sentences? Is it using the past participle where before we used the present tense? Have we transformed our erstwhile prepositions into postpositions? Is be now a regular verb? Are absolute constructions now all the rage? Has English become more of a head-final language? Have we reverted to thou/thee/thy/thine pronouns and corresponding verb inflections? Do our nouns now inflect for the dual number? Do we have newly defective modal verbs? — tchrist 41 secs ago
Perhaps someday ELU posters will use the word grammar correctly, but today is not that day.
 
9:12 PM
@tchrist Grammar got run over by a reindeer.
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God damn it the sky has that sick orange look of the sun trying but mostly failing to cut through an immense smoke plume from a neighboring wildfire.
Oh, there are three ablaze in the county now. Damn it.
 
Oh, dear.
 
9:36 PM
I thought El Niño was supposed to have ameliorated the drought
 
10:03 PM
That's a bit of a non sequitur.
I don't live in California.
Lorin brought me another Rattlesnake!
I think I have an idea of where he's getting them now.
I have to go do snaky things now.
 
10:48 PM
A great article explaining current Persian politics:
 
 
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11:57 PM
@Cerberus Iranian? Persian? Politics in Iran?
 

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