The Nineteenth Byte

TimmyD

18:07

@AlexA. Or if you're somehow running DOS 1.0, or trying to execute something via a command prompt and run into a syntax issue (e.g., cd /temp vs cd ./temp) on some flavors

Alex A.

> Or if you're somehow running DOS 1.0

lel

TimmyD

Well, seeing as how it didn't really have hierarchical directories, I guess the concept of a path separator is kinda meaningless

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

My mom is the worst.

Alex A.

My mom is pretty great

Fatalize

^ agreed

flawr

18:22

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Pretty sure she's not the worst.

@Fatalize o_o do you know @AlexA.'s mom?

Fatalize

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

TimmyD

I thought everyone knew Alex's mom.

Mar 11 at 21:41, by Alex A.

@EasterlyIrk Idk, I like my mom and she makes cookies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

flawr

Should I get some chocolate and caramel ice cream or not?

TimmyD

Man, now I want a cookie.

Alex A.

@flawr I think you already know the answer in your heart

flawr

18:28

What kind of cookie?

@AlexA. The bad thing is, it is contradicting the answer in my brain.

Alex A.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TimmyD

@flawr There's a vendor in the building next door called "The Original Cookie Company" run by like this 70 year old man. Chocolate chip cookie with almond frosting and sprinkles.

Alex A.

He is the first man ever to make cookies

Poke

@VTCAKAVSMoACE if you're paranoid you could just use sun.misc.URLClassPath

flawr

@TimmyD OMG, how cool is that!

Poke

18:31

i think that does what you want, anyway

flawr

I don't think I want any ice cream now.

I want a cookie too.

Poke

or java.net.URLClassLoader

TimmyD

Ugh. This software application doesn't have an API, so I'm sitting here manually copy-pasting ~300 email addresses one at a time and hitting the Submit button after each one. :-/

whhhyyyyy

This is what interns are for.

On an unrelated note, does anyone want to be an intern?

FryAmTheEggman

s/interns/macros

flawr

@TimmyD What area?

TimmyD

18:36

@flawr Minnesota, USA

@FryAmTheEggman It's a Flash GUI

flawr

@TimmyD I mean what field?

TimmyD

Oh. General IT.

FryAmTheEggman

You could make a macro that simulates your mouse moving, etc. Various video game farming macros work like that

Alex A.

@flawr What... is that?

TimmyD

Hah, but then I couldn't easily alt-tab to 19B when waiting the 20-some seconds for the process to complete and the form to reset.

flawr

18:38

@AlexA. Something... delicious!!

TimmyD

@AlexA. Looks like fried ice cream on top of a cookie.

FryAmTheEggman

You could run it on a VM? ;)

Alex A.

It looks like potato chips glued together and stuck in mud

flawr

@TimmyD Basically almond pieces with candied fruits baked in some caramel dipped in chocolate.

TimmyD

Aww

I was very wrong.

Fried ice cream is delicious, though.

flawr

18:41

@TimmyD How does that even work???

TimmyD

@flawr You super-cool the ice cream. Like, -20 or -30 instead of 0. Coat it in (usually) cornflakes, and briefly deep fry it.

Drizzle with honey or chocolate sauce.

flawr

Ok I want that now.

TimmyD

I would imagine it's probably not very popular in Europe.

flawr

I've never heard of that or seen it.

TimmyD

Fried ice cream

Fried ice cream is a dessert made from a breaded scoop of ice cream that is quickly deep-fried creating a warm, crispy shell around the still-cold ice cream. There are conflicting stories about the dessert's origin. Some claim that it was first served during the 1893 Chicago World's Fair, where the ice cream sundae was also invented. Though in 1894 a Philadelphia company was given credit for its invention describing : "A small, solid cake of the [ice] cream is enveloped in a thin sheet of pie crust and then dipped into boiling lard or butter to cook the outside to a crisp. Served immediately, the...

flawr

18:44

Yeah I just googled it.

PS: Caracs

TimmyD

OK, that looks pretty good but I have no idea what it is.

flawr

I don't now either but it is sweet as fu*ck.

Fatalize

^ effective censoring

flawr

The brown thing is chocolatey goey stuff, almost like really goey brownies.

And the top is sugary marcipany stuff.

@Fatalize It's a compromise for those who do not like swear words.

Do you guys know toblerone?

FryAmTheEggman

Somehow, it seems difficult to believe that anyone who dislikes swearing would approve of that ;)

Fatalize

18:49

^^ who doesn't

flawr

Well I just noticed yesterday that now they have coconut-toblerone!!

TimmyD

@flawr It's decently popular in the US

flawr

@Fatalize Do you consider f*** as more effective anyway?

Fatalize

@flawr I don't consider fuck as a swear word

TimmyD

I don't understand the censoring of swears

quartata

18:57

@VTCAKAVSMoACE You can just use File.separator if you're concerned

TimmyD

Like, people still know what you mean.

And you're still taking a word as an interjection, or in vain, or the like.

So ...

flawr

That is why I think it is so hillarious=)

quartata

@TimmyD I think they're more worried about young children picking up on it

Helka Homba

@TimmyD Young kids don't, necessarily

quartata

But in this day and age...

flawr

18:57

Because they do not know those words, right???

TimmyD

And so then you treat it as this "special" word, with magical properties, and the cycle continues.

flawr

And if we censor them, the will also never learn them.

But apparently even here in TNB some people get offended.

TimmyD

Huh, now that's interesting. I've always abbreviated this place as 19B.

flawr

Right, this is even shorter than 152b.

Helka Homba

I was trying to find what building this is in but Google reverse image search thinks it's a swimming pool ._.

quartata

19:00

I don't blame it

Doesn't help that it's from a fish-eye perspective

flawr

@HelkaHomba UN human rights council?

Adnan

@HelkaHomba It's in the name of the jpg?

Helka Homba

Yeah, I found it

TimmyD

@HelkaHomba It's in the Human Rights and Alliance of Civilizations Room.

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba Isn't it a swimming pool?

Rainbolt

19:03

@TimmyD I like the games and sites that have optional filters. That way some people can have them turned on, and some people can keep them turned off. Everyone is happy, except for the folks that hate stars.

quartata

@Rainbolt You could make the censor character customizable perhaps

TimmyD

@Rainbolt Sure, but I just don't understand the meta behind them. Like, saying "darn" instead of "damn" is somehow OK.

Helka Homba

@Rainbolt choose

Rainbolt

@TimmyD Don't think about it like "Darn is acceptable, but damn is offensive." Think of it like "Darn is less offensive than damn."

Helka Homba

@AlexA. It looks painful to jump into, it's all spiky.

Fatalize

19:05

lol is damn offensive?

wtf

Alex A.

mdr

Helka Homba

@Fatalize sure, to some

Rainbolt

@Fatalize That's the opposite of what I just said...

Fatalize

@AlexA. ಠ_ಠ

@Rainbolt "darn is less offensive than damn" implies that damn is offensive

Rainbolt

No, it actually doesn't

Alex A.

19:06

@Fatalize Tu veux manger les enfants??

Rainbolt

"1 is less than 2" doesn't imply that 2 is a large number

flawr

@AlexA. mdr = meurs de rire?

Fatalize

@AlexA. wtf

TimmyD

I dunno ... I mean, there's an infinite number of numbers smaller than 2 ...

Fatalize

@Rainbolt that argument doesn't make any sense

Alex A.

19:07

@flawr m = mort

Fatalize

1 is less positive than 2 implies 2 is positive

Alex A.

Otherwise yes

Rainbolt

That's because positive is binary, and so if you aren't one, you must be the other. You just don't understand the difference between "large" and "larger". I can't help you there.

Fatalize

You can't be less offensive than something not offensive

Rainbolt

They teach "good better best" in like first grade

Alex A.

19:08

@Fatalize C'est ne vrai pas? :(

Fatalize

makes no sense

flawr

@Fatalize That is not quite true, if you consider a very small 2.

Fatalize

@AlexA. incorrect grammar

El'endia Starman

@Geobits I wasn't accusing. :P

Alex A.

Two is the largest number I can count two

quartata

19:09

@AlexA. mmm des enfants sont délicieux

Fatalize

^ now on a list

quartata

oh no shit

TimmyD

You mean s***

Alex A.

@Fatalize Oh, ce n'est pas vrai?

TimmyD

:p

Alex A.

19:10

@TimmyD sock

Fatalize

@AlexA. correct grammar

TimmyD

@AlexA. **ck

Alex A.

XD

quartata

Although I don't think you know Fatalize well enough to refer to him with "tu".... unless...

Alex A.

I do

We've bonded

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Fatalize

19:11

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

TimmyD

Like oxygen and magnesium ... OMG

flawr

@TimmyD Better pun than AlexA.'s one

Fatalize

@quartata usually people use tu for people on the Internet they don't know

quartata

@Fatalize I know. /joke

flawr

@Fatalize They do?

quartata

19:11

Although I usually use vous anyways because I'm so stuffy and formal

Fatalize

@flawr yes

quartata

I was just trying to get Alex to lenny

flawr

@Fatalize Strangely in games I only observed vous being used.

Fatalize

@flawr what game? Sure they weren't using the plural vous?

quartata

Fun fact: "thou" is actually a familiar "you" in ye olde English

flawr

19:14

@Fatalize No they were actually using the singular vous.

Tremulous

TimmyD

@quartata Ugh, please don't use "ye"

quartata

@TimmyD ye cannot stop me

Alex A.

yee

flawr

we can also uze ze z instead of ze theee.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@AlexA. haw

Fatalize

19:15

English should have thou/thy/thine/ and you/ye/your separated

Helka Homba

@Rainbolt You've been relegated to reversed

TimmyD

It's a mischaracterization of the thorn

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@HelkaHomba I didn't see him choose.

Helka Homba

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 right, he didn't respond

Bálint

19:32

Hmm, I leave for 2 hours, and this chatroom becomes the official chatroom for the grammar SE

TimmyD

Programming Grammar & Code Golf

Rainbolt

@HelkaHomba What does that mean?

Bálint

@TimmyD Don't mention programming grammar and code golf in the same sequence

FryAmTheEggman

grammar-golf?

Rainbolt

I need to go find where you asked me to choose. I accidentally ignored you and I meant to click the link

TimmyD

19:34

@Bálint Why not? We've had challenges to make small interpreters.

Helka Homba

29 mins ago, by Helka Homba

@Rainbolt choose

Rainbolt

Can I be as? It's the only keyword left

Helka Homba

fine

Bálint

@TimmyD Because if the SE's name contains "programming grammar", then that means, that SE is about making your grammar better, and that's definitely not what we're doing here

gcampbell

@Sp3000 Will you ever have exactly half the rep of Dennis?

Rainbolt

19:36

@HelkaHomba You should make it a requirement that all keywords in whatever language you are inventing (People's Python?) begin with the @ symbol

6

That'll make it fun to talk about in here

Helka Homba

mmmm, no

Bálint

@you "Hello world!"

Rainbolt

But.... but... it will make people regret their greed in choosing the most popular keyword!

TimmyD

I didn't choose the most popular. I chose the longest.

Because PowerShell

It's long

Helka Homba

@Rainbolt obrien pickle rainbolt p is now valid syntax

Rainbolt

19:39

Are any of you playing Overwatch?

gcampbell

Imagine if the spec automagically updated whenever someone updated their PPCG display name.

Helka Homba

@gcampbell you choose too

gcampbell

@HelkaHomba Can I have eval?

I'm evil #_#

Helka Homba

yes

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

But you'll shift muddy.

Alex A.

19:42

@Rainbolt My girlfriend plays it a lot.

Rainbolt

Your girlfriend probably killed me. I am not very good yet.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

\o/ I just broke 1k on my third SE site.

Alex A.

Congrats!

@Rainbolt Haha she isn't playing at the moment.

TimmyD

@AlexA. Does she play more games than you? It seems that way.

Alex A.

Yes, much more.

I don't play games that often.

TimmyD

19:47

So what do you do while she's gaming?

Bálint

@HelkaHomba Doing for i in range(x) will be painful

Fatalize

@TimmyD her ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

FryAmTheEggman

Alex prefers the vastly superior pastime of golf

TimmyD

Because the wife and I usually play games at the same time, even if we're not playing the same game.

Bálint

peter i taylor drgreenegsandhamdj(x)

Adnan

19:48

@Fatalize ( ͡° ᴥ ͡°)

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Bálint I love how ridiculous the range function is.

gcampbell

or is

and if and in

FryAmTheEggman

I think while is shorter atm: i=0;molarmanful i<x;i+=1

Bálint

The names should be chosen by first making a numbered list of keywords based on how much you use it, then join it with the array of the names ordered by length in descending order

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Bálint No such function drgreenegsandhamdj.

Bálint

19:51

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Proves my point

FryAmTheEggman

@Bálint I don't think the point is to be competitive in golfing. Personally I would prefer if answers in this language were often different from Python ones because the lengths of these keywords were different.

Alex A.

@TimmyD I've been contributing to Julia quite a bit lately, working on homework for my master's program, hanging out in here with you people, laying down the law on SE, etc.

TimmyD

Oh, masters ... yeah, that's a solid chunk of time

Alex A.

Part time though

But that plus work is definitely chunky

TimmyD

Update: I have made it half way

Bálint

19:53

@FryAmTheEggman There are 2 things, wich matter the most by programming languages, 1.: It needs to be fun to use (this is why prototypal languages mainly failed), and 2.: It needs to be maintainable (this is not a problem, as it's based on python)

TimmyD

1 hour ago, by TimmyD

Ugh. This software application doesn't have an API, so I'm sitting here manually copy-pasting ~300 email addresses one at a time and hitting the Submit button after each one. :-/

FryAmTheEggman

@TimmyD Still time to create a macro... ;)

TimmyD

heh

gcampbell

@TimmyD Do you press enter or click the button to submit?

El'endia Starman

@Bálint Neither of those apply to a lot of esolangs that PPCGers have created...

quartata

19:55

@Rainbolt oh no please don't remind me that I do not have Overwatch

El'endia Starman

Or used, for that matter. I mean, Malbolge?

TimmyD

@gcampbell It's Flash based. So, ctrl-c it from the list, click into the box, ctrl-v, click submit, wait 10 seconds for it to process, click reset form, repeat.

Bálint

@El'endiaStarman But this is not what we should use for golfing

gcampbell

@TimmyD Yay Flash!

Flash is better than zsh!

El'endia Starman

@Bálint Stack Cats?

Bálint

19:57

We use esolangs, because their short or give a challenge

El'endia Starman

@Bálint Golfing is fun (for varying degrees of fun) in any language.

TimmyD

Some people get different levels of enjoyment, too.

Like, I would wager that most people in this room would not want to golf in PowerShell.

gcampbell

Unless you get paid to do it.

FryAmTheEggman

I actually think I would enjoy golfing in any language. My problem is learning the language well enough to golf in it ;)

Fatalize

@TimmyD Or write anything in Powershell

TimmyD

20:00

Hah.

Rainbolt

Wow. I've been using www.draw.io for such a long time and I just found drive.draw.io. It's like... the same product with more features. Why would anyone ever use the regular one?

Bálint

@Rainbolt Because flowcharts are amazing

Bernard Meurer

Hey folks, has anyone around here messed with Jekyll/Github pages?

Bálint

@BernardMeurer I used github pages

Nathan Merrill

A new study finds that if you give rats a cell phone and a lever they can push to improve the signal, the rats will chew on the cell phone until it breaks and your research supervisors will start to ask some questions about your grant money.

2

Bernard Meurer

20:12

@Bálint Would you mind me giving me a hand?

Bálint

@BernardMeurer In what?

Bernard Meurer

@Bálint I set up a GHPages website a while back, and it worked fine, but recently all of a sudden it hasn't been working at all and I have no clue what the heck is happening. Source, Site

TimmyD

TIL -- NetZero is still a thing

Bálint

@BernardMeurer It's a resource issue

Try pressing F12 after it loaded in

meurer.xyz/assets/js/main.min.js simply doesn't exist

Bernard Meurer

@Bálint What's weird is that locally it runs perfectly. I pressed F12 and I'm looking at Sources

Bálint

20:18

@BernardMeurer Have you checked, if the FTP transfer was succesful or not?

Bernard Meurer

@Bálint It's hosted on Github

Maltysen

@BernardMeurer is it in the github repo?

Bálint

@BernardMeurer Sorry, they exist, but they take too much time to download

Bernard Meurer

@Maltysen Yeah github.com/bemeurer/bemeurer.github.io

Poke

I have an enum where each member has a priority. One of the members of the enum is NOT_SET which will leave certain things up to the discretion of the caller. I have a quick little function to compare two enums to determine which has lower priority. What should be done about the NOT_SET member? I'm leaning towards throwing an exception.

Bálint

20:20

@Poke Die silently

Poke

nooooo

>.<

TimmyD

Bernard Meurer

Ah, I fixed it :)

I goofed on my URL configuration

Poke

throw 4;

Bálint

@BernardMeurer claps

Rainbolt

20:23

@Poke I actually did this somewhere... let me find the code...

Bernard Meurer

@Bálint Thanks! :p

Rainbolt

        public static State WorstOf(List<State> states)
        {
            // Unknown contributors should not be considered
            states.RemoveAll(state => state == State.Unknown);

            // If there are no known contributors, the rolled up state is unknown
            if (states.Count == 0)
                return State.Unknown;
            if (states.Contains(State.Critical))
                return State.Critical;
            if (states.Contains(State.Minor))
                return State.Minor;

TimmyD

Apr 5 at 18:08, by TimmyD

try {
  throw ball;
}
catch {
  run
}

2

Rainbolt

Looks like I just removed them all

flawr

@TimmyD Woof.

Alex A.

20:25

@Rainbolt +1 for indenting with 4 spaces

Rainbolt

Visual Studio does it for you when you press tab

Alex A.

+1 to Visual Studio

quartata

Dammit it's been so long since I've done anything in assembly I keep forgetting to save the registers

Alex A.

> slow loris

Poke

@Rainbolt unrelated: you're iterating through your list 3 times

quartata

20:27

@AlexA. what

Do you mean "slow loris" as in the animal

Rainbolt

@Poke Yes, I know. And it still isn't slow enough

flawr

Alex A.

Poke

so it seems like you just return something other than your unknown state unless all elms are your unknown state

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Q: Pseudo Factorial

There is a rather curious number which shows up sometimes in math problems or riddles. The psuedofactorial(N) is the least-common-multiple of the numbers 1 through N. For instance psuedofactorial(7) = 3 * 4 * 5 * 7, which is the same as 7! except that 2 and 6 have been removed because they are c...

Rainbolt

20:28

@Poke Or unless the list is empty

Poke

yes

Rainbolt

Looking at it again, I could probably cast all of the enums to int and take the min or max. But like I said... it isn't slow enough

Poke

why do you need it to be slow :S

Rainbolt

Because some wise guy on the Internet said that if it is fast enough, don't bother optimizing

And I said slow enough, not slow

Poke

also i feel like that would rely on the definition order of the enums

which is kinda shitty

Rainbolt

20:30

@Poke In C# you can give your enums a value and not worry about definition order

flawr

Poke

still would be a pain to maintain assuming the ordinal you associate is arbitrary

Rainbolt

You mean... if you introduce a new one that goes right in the middle, you need to shift all of the values (and that is a pain)?

Poke

mhm

Rainbolt

My wisdom ends there lol

Poke

20:33

fair enough. thanks for the code snippet

Helka Homba

Mini-challenge: Write a program or function that runs for exactly one second before terminating

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

time.sleep(1)

That was easy.

Adnan

In 05AB1E: w.

Poke

consistently?

Helka Homba

@Poke Yes. Give or take a few ms is ok

FryAmTheEggman

20:45

In Pyth: .d1.

Poke

define "a few" :s

Helka Homba

at most 5

Poke

aw

Helka Homba

You can answer anyway, it's just a mini-challenge :P

I'm curious what you had in mind

Poke

something that blocked waiting for input

didn't have a lang in mind

the ultimate "it works on my machine"

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

20:55

CMC output a keyboard numpad. e.g.

V, 20 bytes: i1 2 3Ypò3lòYp@qo0

Poke

@HelkaHomba empty program run during the next leap second. kinda?

FryAmTheEggman

Pyth: Vc%RTST3jdN pyth.herokuapp.com/?code=Vc%25RTST3jdN&debug=0

Different 10: Vc3S9jdN;0

Maltysen

@FryAmTheEggman oh nice

FryAmTheEggman

Thanks, but I still think it could be better...

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@quartata I wouldn't know if that was correct; I already have separatorChar statically imported anyway..

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

21:04

MATL 11 bytes: 1:3t3+y6+ 0

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21:28

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I don't know but my cobblestone texture looks very pixelated when I'm coming nearer to them. And also, the outline of every block in the world looks very pixelated. When I watch the world from a distance, the views is not as I thought. It's very different than the Minecraft videos that I've watch...