The Nineteenth Byte

6:00 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ well, you can do it, but you dont have too. the source is jquery iirc. if you would prefer, you could just have it move about randomly and see how far you get

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dragonrage oh. maybe I misread the src then

Anonymous

You could also simulate keypresses

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh, I get it now.

Dragonrage

if there are no further objections, i guess i'll post the question

Geobits

I object!

Dragonrage

6:03 PM

oh, there i go again. using silence as implied consent

@Geobits @Geobits has thrown a null objection error

Geobits

Go ahead; try debugging it :P

Dragonrage

@Geobits well, since it's an objection and not an exception, i can pretend to be a judge and overrule it

Anonymous

raise Noooo_butQuieterThisTime_Exception

Geobits

I, uh, except?

TimmyD

Everyone except Geobits

Anonymous

6:06 PM

@Geobits Great, glad you accept the terms and conditions!

Geobits

Not accept :/

Can't you hear the difference? :P

TimmyD

Axe sept?

Dragonrage

well if its an exception then i can just throw it away and hope nothing bad happens

Geobits

Sure you can. Cross your fingers.

Dragonrage

i can handle exceptions, because i am robust

Geobits

6:07 PM

throw away != handle

Dragonrage

@Geobits stop using logic pls. it ruins a good story

Geobits

Hey guys, he accused me of using logic. Should I be offended?

Dragonrage

anyhow, do you have any specific objection, or were you objecting for the sake of raising an objection?

Geobits

Always just for the sake.

TimmyD

try {
  throw ball;
}
catch {
  run
}

Geobits

6:08 PM

Well, not always.

Dragonrage

@Geobits only if you dont have a brain

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits throw { AwayError("Handles are not equals!") } catch (e of Handle) {}

ewwwwwwwwwwwww

(It's not JS.)

6:09 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ If you do that, you're just left with Handl

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TimmyD ... + "e".

Geobits

@Dragonrage "life"?

Dragonrage

@TimmyD i thought you were left with e, since thats all you caught

Anonymous

@Geobits Yesno

mınxomaτ

@Dragonrage He has three keys: Upvote, downvote and flag.

Dragonrage

6:10 PM

@Geobits true, if you are on the internet, you have no life

TimmyD

@Dragonrage Ooo, good point.

Geobits

@mınxomaτ I could probably manage with two.

Optimizer

finally {
heavy_breathing;
}

Anonymous

@Geobits Downvote and flag? :P

Dragonrage

@mınxomaτ more like downvote, flag, vtc

Optimizer

6:12 PM

well, how do I code in a reply?

Geobits

Nah, I don't flag much. Downvote and a button to activate voice input for chat and/or comments.

Oh yea, I guess I do need a vtc button. Ok, back to three.

TimmyD

@Optimizer ctrl-k

Geobits

// does this work
// i guess not

Dragonrage

so, i shall now post the question i suppose

Anonymous

@Optimizer You can't have a reply in a fixed font message. You'd have to make it a one-liner and use backticks.

zyabin101

6:13 PM

@Dragonrage Do it!

Optimizer

@TimmyD nopde

TimmyD

Yeah, sorry - didn't see the word "reply"

New Meta Posts

5

Q: Should questions about challenge-writing be on topic?

In light of this recent question on main, here is a question I've been meaning to bring up for a while: should we broaden our scope to allow questions about challenge writing? I think there's a lot to be said for it. It would probably provide unique content that you can't find anywhere else on t...

TimmyD

Mego's got it right.

zyabin101

I can't do code in a reply >_<

GamrCorps

6:14 PM

Little over an hour left in the election! Get your votes in soon!

Dragonrage

so, what tags should i use?

Optimizer

why can i only vote for 3 people?

Dragonrage

code-challenge?

Optimizer

how is the 4th one selected?

Anonymous

Meek STV

Anonymous

6:15 PM

You're not voting for each slot; you're giving three options in order of preference

Anonymous

Then, using Meek STV, the top 4 candidates are elected

zyabin101

The >_< shifty-eyes emote is declared to be called wingding-eyes!

11

A: What are the squinting faces (>_<, >o<, >△<, etc.) called?

In the media/anime-verse, they do not have any specific name for themselves. The eyes themselves form a part of the Wingding Eyes: For animated characters, the eyes are the windows to the soul—literally. So literally, that their eyes become their innermost thoughts projected in very clear s...

Optimizer

ah.. first will go to the one with most 1st choice, then decreasing...

Dragonrage

well, hopefully i used the right tags.

i guess i'll know soon enough

zyabin101

I think Meek's method is a complex thing. Surplus votes, eliminating candidates, transferring votes...

Anonymous

6:19 PM

@Optimizer Mostly. In essence, the 4 candidates who are most preferred by voters will be elected.

Optimizer

hm

Geobits

Here are mine:

2

Optimizer

^ same for me

zyabin101

Mine shows up correctly.

Geobits

So do mine.

Optimizer

6:20 PM

lol

TimmyD

@Geobits Good ol' GreyBox. He's been a fair moderator.

Geobits

Long may he reign.

Dragonrage

This was posted too early from the sandbox. You haven't stated a means as to how to control the game at all. — muddyfish 50 secs ago

what does that mean?

Nathan Merrill

Its quite useful to know how the person is supposed to interact with the game

aka, what functions to call

a sample bot would be great

Anonymous

My election choices:

Anonymous

6:25 PM

Geobits

>_< I tried closing something as too broad, and it decided my fifth CV meant it should be migrated to meta.

New Main Posts

0

Q: Let's Play Unikong

Let's Play Unikong In honor of April Fool's day, we shall have an epic battle to see who can play Unikong best. Or, rather, whose program can play it best. Goal Write a program in any language to play the game Unikong. It should seek to try and score as high as possible. Scoring Whomever's ...

code-challenge game

Geobits

Sorry for that. It was definitely not my intent.

zyabin101

@Mego You can't select the same candidate for two/three choices. Nice image, though.

Geobits

@Mego I was going do mine with all me, but got lazy and decided blanking them out was easier ;)

Dragonrage

6:27 PM

so should i delete that question and do more work on it and repost it at a later date?

Anonymous

@zyabin101 lmgtfy.com/?q=define+joke

Geobits

Also, what's with Jon Skeet's rep? He must be slacking if he doesn't have a million yet.

zyabin101

@Mego IKR?

GamrCorps

@Geobits can you actually vote for yourself?

Geobits

I don't know, but I'm not running anyway.

I'd assume so.

muddyfish

6:28 PM

If thats getting moved can we also migrate codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/77117/…

not any more

Anonymous

You can, in fact, vote for yourself in the election

Optimizer

@AlexA. @Chatgoat knowledge and experience and quest for perfection

muddyfish

Hes got a post with negative votes

-1

A: Highlight method definitions

This sounds like you're treating the symptom rather than the cause. If you: Keep methods reasonably short (get worried if they're more than a screenful, certainly) Make sure you use appropriate indentation (VS defaults to correct this for you) ... then it shouldn't be a problem. Don't try to ...

Anonymous

I feel like this depends way too much on the specific problem. — QPaysTaxes 19 hours ago

Anonymous

I'd rather close it as too broad, not migrate it

Anonymous

6:30 PM

@muddyfish I like how that answer got upvoted immediately after you posted it here. ATTN Jon Skeet fanboys: don't vote on a post without reading it.

muddyfish

It's still at -1

(+8,-9)

Anonymous

Now it is, but when you first linked it, it got upvoted immediately. Someone retracted their vote.

Anonymous

Either that or someone else also downvoted. I can't see vote totals on SO.

aditsu

it says election closes in 1 hour, is that like 26 min from now, or 1h after that?

Geobits

Mosquito finds blood vessel

►

El'endia Starman

6:34 PM

@aditsu If it's less than 1 hour, it'll say the number of minutes.

TimmyD

Whoa, the pinned election post got removed from the starboard.

Nathan Merrill

if you have multiple identical inner joins in a query, is that a problem?

Geobits

@TimmyD It's all over but the crying.

zyabin101

@TimmyD Regardless, it ends soon.

Chris Jester-Young

@aditsu It will finish at 20:00 UTC.

i.e., an hour and 25 minutes from now.

Anonymous

6:35 PM

@TimmyD Pins get automatically removed after a certain amount of time

aditsu

@ChrisJester-Young cool, thanks

TimmyD

@Mego Nah, it's a conspiracy of some sort.

zyabin101

But I'll be the hero who chose a second and third but not a first.

aditsu

that means I have some time to read people's answers, to choose who's gonna be in 3rd place :D

Anonymous

@zyabin101 That's functionally equivalent to choosing a first and a second

El'endia Starman

6:37 PM

@Mego Not exactly, actually.

zyabin101

@Mego :) ==> DX

Anonymous

@QPaysTaxes If we have a situation in the current election where it would make a difference, I'll eat a sock

TimmyD

@Mego It's a very fine line ... "Tips for golfing in X" is on-topic, encouraged, and narrow enough to be OK. "Tips for writing a good challenge" is kinda on-topic, unknown, and probably too broad. What about "Tips for writing KOTH?" It's arguably on-topic, unknown, and may or may not be too broad.

Anonymous

@QPaysTaxes I do that every day :)

Anonymous

@TimmyD Yes, but your comment is irrelevant, because it doesn't actually address the type of question the meta post concerns.

Anonymous

6:40 PM

@QPaysTaxes That's a different question than the one we're discussing

Anonymous

-1

Q: Tips for King of the Hill challenges

Inspired by this question, what are some tips you guys have for creating king of the hill challenges? What are some things to keep in mind in the planning and implementing of the rules and the controller, and advice on what makes for a good challenge?

discussion challenge-quality

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego My Steam username is Sock ... :P

Anonymous

Also:

Anonymous

8

Q: Should questions about challenge-writing be on topic?

In light of this recent question on main, here is a question I've been meaning to bring up for a while: should we broaden our scope to allow questions about challenge writing? I think there's a lot to be said for it. It would probably provide unique content that you can't find anywhere else on t...

discussion scope

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ If the sock fits... :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:41 PM

@Mego Touche`

aditsu

@Geobits jeez, there are at least 3 songs with the same name, I was afraid to find out the one I knew was a cover

flawr

@Lembik I've had some thoughts about your challenge today, and the way you generate the SPD matrices assures that no singular value has a absolute value below 1. Can we use this knowledge when programming our answers? -> Let me ask that in the comments for everyone to see.

TimmyD

@Mego I fail to understand how you're arguing that a non-challenge question "about a particular type of challenge" is off-topic, when that is literally verbatim from the help page.

Anonymous

@TimmyD I get the feeling we're having two different discussions here.

TimmyD

Seems like it.

Anonymous

6:43 PM

What are you talking about?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

SOCKS

sorry

TimmyD

"Tips for writing KOTH challenges" -- on-topic? On main? On meta?

PhiNotPi

What we could do is restrict it to a particular type of KOTH, like the type that my answer is about (RPS, Morra, etc)

Anonymous

@TimmyD On-topic, on meta, like my answer says.

TimmyD

And I argue that it's on-topic, on main, but too broad as is.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:44 PM

@QPaysTaxes Idk, can't self-star. :PPP

@QPaysTaxes o kai

Anonymous

And I'm saying that your argument concerning the help center text is irrelevant, because the help center text says "related to solving ... a particular type of challenge", and this is about writing challenges

aditsu

so there are only 8 candidates remaining? I thought there were 11 10

TimmyD

Ah, so it's a distinction in where the or is emphasized.

@QPaysTaxes codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

Anonymous

@aditsu Quartatoes and Jedi withdrew during the primary

TimmyD

> Non-challenge questions that are related to solving programming puzzles or a particular type of challenge are also on topic.

Anonymous

6:46 PM

@TimmyD Yes, I read it as solving (programming puzzles)|(a particular type of challenge)

Dragonrage

i didnt realize that in order to ask a question on pcg, i had to also write an answer for it, and then tell people how to write an answer for it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I was made to withdraw :(

TimmyD

@Mego I read it as related to (solving programming puzzles)|(a particular type of challenge)

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I can't imagine why you'd think running in the election was a good idea, given that you were sockpuppeting rep.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego o___o I was not

Anonymous

6:47 PM

VTC the help center as unclear

5

flawr

@Lembik This means we never need to evaluate more than 5^(#dimensions) Points, right?

Oh, even 3^(#dimensions) should be enough.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ On March 27th, you lost 1238 rep due to serial vote correction, and were suspended for voting irregularities.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego That was not my idea!!

Easterly Irk

@flawr I saw one of your Mathematics posts earlier. Nice work.

flawr

Haha, really?

@EasterlyIrk Which one? (the message above was directed at @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ )

Easterly Irk

6:49 PM

18

A: Is this direct proof of an inequality wrong?

The problem is that you did not state that those are equivalences (usually denoted by $\iff$) between your lines. And you do not even need the equivalences, you only need the implicatiosn from the bottom to the top, so you should perhaps write your proof "upside down". The way your proof is pres...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr Yes, really.

flawr

Oh, thanks=)

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Care to explain? Because from the public information, it looks like you were caught using a sockpuppet account to boost your rep by ~1k.

Easterly Irk

@Mego Not a sock, but somebody serial upvoted him.

He explained it the PPCG MC server chat.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Sure. I really have no idea who was doing that. It was prolly my friend or something, but I still don't know who.

Anonymous

6:51 PM

@EasterlyIrk If it wasn't a sockpuppet, why was he suspended?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^^^

Dragonrage

@QPaysTaxes i thought i stated what i wanted done pretty explicitly, but to show an example of it being done, i would have to write an answer. i was also told i need to state a means as to how to control the game.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Because it's really just my word to say that :P

Easterly Irk

@Mego Because nobody can really know that he didn't ask a friend or ^^.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^^

Welcome to TNB.

Easterly Irk

6:53 PM

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

You have learned quickly! :D

Easterly Irk

^

Anonymous

I would think that the reasonable course of action for a situation where a single user serial voted another user, with no evidence that the target of the serial voting did not encourage the serial voting, would be to remove the votes and suspend the user that performed the serial voting. When the target of the serial voting also gets suspended, that implies there's some evidence that they were involved in the serial voting.

Optimizer

Welcome to

Easterly Irk

^

Caret chains work.

flawr

6:54 PM

@QPaysTaxes Nah, that is just the german pronounciation

XD

totally intentional^^

Easterly Irk

@QPaysTaxes Golfier: s/\^\^/\^/

aditsu

'^'*randint(1,20)

Optimizer

> ^

that's a totally random choice.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego I don't deny the consequences. There is really no other solution.

Easterly Irk

@QPaysTaxes Caret chains continue it going. So it ends up in the same place.

^

aditsu

6:55 PM

@QPaysTaxes '^Kmr)*

Dragonrage

@QPaysTaxes how would i do that for this? meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

Easterly Irk

You don't.

^

That will be enough.

Anonymous

@QPaysTaxes If there's evidence (like chat messages, comments, reciprocating votes, or IP links), then the votee should be disciplined. If there's no evidence, there's no proof that the votee participated, so there's no reason to discipline them.

Easterly Irk

Like the no-source-code-modifier allowed rule.

muddyfish

@Dragonrage How could I write an answer in Python/Java/Anything that isn't Javascript? Whitelist a set of functions you can call

Easterly Irk

6:57 PM

@Mego It wasn't discipline.

It was removing the wrongfully gained rep.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@aditsu *'^mr iirc

Anonymous

@EasterlyIrk Suspension is discipline