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12:00 AM
@mınxomaτ s/eOS with //
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Many other languages opted to include a --safe flag that disables some features for the online version.
 
@Dennis Oh, that would work perfectly.
 
@AlexA. I'll probably switch to this: An HP Spectre with Win 10 and eOS in DualBoot. But I don't really use linux that much anymore, since the linux subsystem on Windows is really mature by now.
 
@mınxomaτ Oh, the weird thing that lets you run Bash on Windows?
 
12:02 AM
Alright, I need to go now.
Cya guys later.
 
Godspeed, Dr. Slam Ham
The problem with a Linux subsystem on Windows is that you're still on Windows
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@AlexA. It's a kernel-level ubuntu server "VM". Calling it "bash" is really misleading. More like SSHing into a weird second personality of your OS kernel :D
 
._.
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ bye
 
I don't really understand the appeal. If you're going to have something like that, why not just use Linux instead?
 
12:04 AM
@AlexA. you mean windows 10?
 
Specifically the Linux VM thing
 
@AlexA. You have a full linux experience, but the VM can quickly be reset without loosing any data. And a whole lot of windows "ports" just became pretty obsolete (like PuTTY etc.)
And you can test linux and windows version of a software locally without switching OSs or using an emulator
 
I guess I could see how that would be beneficial
 
@VTC and @DrGreenEggsandHamDJ insecure password problem fixed
 
@AlexA. See this whole thread: github.com/mono/website/issues/199
 
12:09 AM
huh
interesting
 
^^
 
2016 is such a great year for developers.
 
No!
 
12:12 AM
?
 
2017 is such a great year for developers.
 
Do you plan to release something in 2017? :D
 
Maybe
 
Rainbow wobuffet oh my lord
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But none of the things I make are generally good so...
@Quill Yes indeedy.
It's been a while since I've been here
And it becomes eerily quiet
Silence in this room for a minute must be a feat surely.
Ugh I give up. I'm out.
 
12:16 AM
>_>
 
Dunno what time it is elsewhere, here it's 2 AM
 
Here it's 8 pm
 
On the west coast I see
 
10:17am
 
12:17 AM
2 am here
 
We found the europeans
 
chat should really have like a small world-clock.
 
@Zizouz212 are you in canada near america? like bottom border
 
> bottom
 
Am i in Canada near America? That's kind of funny
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12:18 AM
You know there's a word for that.
 
I'm in Toronto
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It's called south :P
 
Canada is a big place you know
 
@Zizouz212 near America is the only distance metric that matters
 
Okay... Is America near america?
 
12:20 AM
@Quill Is that an elaborate pun about the metric system?
 
How far is america near america?
How many kilometres away?
 
@Zizouz212 Are you into football and hence your name?
 
@mınxomaτ Miles away from what I was thinking
 
(soccer)
 
I like football :)
 
12:21 AM
The one where people use their feet
 
And yes, I don't follow the americans in their weird, crazy wording for things
 
"metric"? "football"? Are you trying to start a war?
 
@Zizouz212 Excited about the coming final game? :-)
 
Being an american is perfectly fine for talking with americans, but outside of America it doesn't go very far.
 
Oh you bet!
 
12:25 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ because world events don't exist and common social and natural events have no equivalent
 
@Quill this election comes close to being the former
 
Maybe also because america is slowly destroying itself... And Canada will soon no longer be a hat :)
 
Being an Australian is great for talking to non-Australians, caus then you get to sound like you live in the outback on dialup
 
you're an aussie?
 
12:27 AM
Oh I really say that a lot
 
BTW is obfuscation off-topic here?
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Depends on the point of view.
 
Context?
 
Mostly
 
How could it be on-topic?
 
12:28 AM
I think obfuscation is a subset of code trolling, so probably. Seems to be fine for CnRs though.
 
"here" being TNB or PPCG?
 
Well, obfuscation where code is being obfuscated is off-topic, I believe. It's also very broad and open-ended. Obfuscation where the objective is to de-obfuscate is on-topic in the context of CnR challenges.
 
Hmm
I must now right a good CnR challenge involving obfuscation
 
12:30 AM
We have
 
Hmm. What I was talking about earlier was merely about obfuscating code. Some challenges seem to be about obfuscating text and other things, not the code you write/decipher.
 
I guess it's one of those tags that's technically on topic but very easy to write an off topic challenge in
 
like pop cons
 
indeed
 
#DOOM https://t.co/qlGhWJ3oZH
 
12:33 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That is likely to escalate quickly with meta-programming
 
maybe
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A: Obfuscated Hello World

R. Martinho FernandesBrainFuck, 106 strokes ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------. Meets all the rules and it sure is obfuscated.

first time I've seen coded counted in strokes
 
Pop con I'm strongly in favour of keeping, for those rare times when a good one comes along. Obfuscation I don't feel so strongly about
 
His girlfriend was like the square root of minus one. Mysterious, sought after by millions . . . and imaginary.
 
bai everyone
 
@El'endiaStarman You waste my time with a pun on the word pun. I salute you
 
:D
Epic story though.
 
1:19 AM
Dear people who made Eclipse, please pay attention to features that developers use. Like, for example, being able to hit the spacebar without autocompleting a random class (when I type private, I mean the keyword, not org.omg.CORBA.PRIVATE_MEMBER) being able to hit { with text selected to wrap it in {} instead of replacing it with {, actually up-to-date docs listing all the prerequisites instead of saying "this is all you need" when, in fact, that isn't all you need, and so on.
In other words, fuck Eclipse, I'm gonna find a Java IDE which isn't stupid as hell.
 
S/Eclipse/Java/; S/I'm gonna find a | IDE which|n't//
 
1:50 AM
 
2:01 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Says the JavaScript guy.
 
What's a word that covers inbuilt things like for and typedef but not things like Console.WriteLine or printf? (Things with normal comma separated function parameters)
 
@Quill Keyword
 
function is a keyword but it has comma separated parameters
Or does the function name have parameters
I'm trying to mentally differentiate the logic branches between formats like for(whatever; whatever; whatever) and keywords like function(param, param)
 
@QPaysTaxes I'm fairly sure you're straying over the "Be Nice" line here...
 
I think there's a parameter separation character and parameter limit, as well as anonymous functions are different to named functions
@El'endiaStarman Pushing someone's buttons when they're clearly annoyed isn't the best idea
 
2:06 AM
@Quill That's not a justification for anything.
 
If Q can't respond to button pushing, then Conor shouldn't be able to push em
 
Actually, no. That's logically flawed.
 
Lashing out at someone due to buttons being pushed is understandable, but not excusable.
 
anyway, what's the best way to logically lay out the difference between a scope without a constructor and a scope with a constructor... This has been slowly scratching my mind for days ;-;
 
@Quill Is this related to what you were talking about moments before? I think I'm missing some context.
 
2:15 AM
@mınxomaτ I've been playing with the IBM quantum thing a little bit.
 
@PhiNotPi And?
 
What I've been doing recently is the thing about approximating other gates with the gates that we have.
Like, somewhere in the tutorial, it talks about approximating the "sqrt(T)" gate.
 
@QPaysTaxes ... to the java guy.
 
So, I wrote a program to brute-force gate combinations to find which ones give results closest to a desired result.
 
2:18 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ (Probably best not to push it at the moment.)
 
@El'endiaStarman eh?
 
Their example (page 2 of the algorithms part) uses 17 gates, but I found a combination that uses 12.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Q is/was pretty frustrated with Eclipse, so now is probably not the best time to do a little Java vs JavaScript "war".
 
@El'endiaStarman oh well.
 
@PhiNotPi Drop them a mail. Get's you one step closer to the upgrade ;-)
 
2:21 AM
@mınxomaτ using the bug thing, or what?
 
@PhiNotPi I wonder how long 'till this is an actual tag on the site...
 
Oh hi. I hear things are going on. This is relevant to my interests.
 
@PhiNotPi Yep, or one of the contacts on their foundation page.
 
Hi! 32.5 downvotes were cast in the past N units!
 
@PhiNotPi We could totally do a quantum golf challenge with one of those other simulators
 
2:22 AM
@El'endiaStarman I'm working on approaching scopes in my tokeniser. At the moment it's pretty crude, but I want to find an algorithmic or perhaps grammatical approach that doesn't feel crude
 
that would be fun
 
@Quill Make it work, make it right, make it fast
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ how do you cast a half downvote
 
@Quill Just do a stack of maps
 
@Quill I think only admins can do it >_>
 
2:23 AM
@quartata Well, others use gates and code. qCAD is the only strictly score-based simulator. Though the IBMQE has a code output/transcript :)
 
@quartata wat
 
Poses the question though: What to use? A simulator, real or ideal? Or the real thing...
 
@Quill Dictionaries, hases, etc
 
let scopes = []; "when we enter a new scope" scopes.push(new Scope()); "when making a variable" scopes.top[varname] = value
 
@PhiNotPi maybe it's a hidden job as for people who get a better result ;)
 
2:24 AM
@Quill No idea. I can't imagine not going all the way and doing the full vote.
 
@PhiNotPi maybe it's a hidden job ad for people who get a better result ;)
 
bad internet?
 
Mobile + bad internet
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ maybe it's a hidden job ad for people who get a better result ;)
 
@mınxomaτ Using the real deal would be nice but probably won't be feasible yet :p
 
2:25 AM
@HelkaHomba maybe it's a hidden job ad for people who get a better result ;)
 
-1 closed as duplicate
 
@quartata The largest difference is ideal and real simulation. Because the real model imposes restrictions on gate placement.
 
@PhiNotPi I'd like to see your result, too, btw. :)
 
> I once knew a little internet community that repeated the same six lines of conversation, in the same order, for over ten years, while having their actual conversation in their posts' title lines
 
2:28 AM
@Quill maybe it's a hidden job ad for people who get a better result ;)
 
@mınxomaτ Yea, hm. "Real" simulators would make it more challenging but ideal would make it more accessible and probably more fun
 
Sounds like email... Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: You'll never believe these 8 reasons we still love Fortran
 
@Quill haha
 
because they're all lies
 
There might actually be slightly more error in my solution than theirs: x: 0.883, y: 0.349, z: 0.031 vs x: 0.881, y: 0.350, z: 0.025. I don't know if that 0.006 is significant.
that's running on "realistic" mode. In ideal mode they are identical.
 
2:31 AM
everything is significant. is pi phi + 0.006 phi?
:p
I want to make this a challenge so bad
 
I feel like that would be a really hard challenge.
 
well kolmogorov complexity is uncomputable
 
Like, this hard:
 
Sounds like the "what makes this number interesting" challenge that got closed immediately.
 
2:37 AM
Uhhhhhh, maybe. If it was deleted it will be significantly harder to find.
 
You can always use a magical SEDE query
 
Yea, can't find with an initial search, and it isn't really worth the effort.
It was like "16 is interesting because it's 4^2. 37 is interesting because [some made up bullshit]. For an input integer, output what makes it interesting."
 
o-o
"X is interesting because it's 16 + N, and 16 is interesting."
 
Right. Like I said, it got closed very quickly.
It was probably roomba'd later that day.
 
huh
"Given a set of interesting numbers, find the interesting number closest to an input N" :p
 
2:50 AM
Lazy trolling, but persistent. Gotta give points for persistence, I guess. — blip 10 mins ago
 
Mini-challenge: Given int N > 0, output the smallest ints greater than N a, b, and c, such that a is divisible by 2, b is divisible by 3, and c is divisible by 4.
 
That sounds difficult
 
@quartata do you know of any good roguelikes other than nethack, rogue or brogue?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ did you finish studying?
 
Have you tried rogue? It's a pretty good roguelike.
 
2:54 AM
I'm going to bed rn
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I imagine he'll say either Dwarf Fortress or Undertale.
 
DF is too confusing for me, and haven't tried undertale.
 
How about pixel dungeon? :)
 
I've heard its good
 
2:55 AM
@Geobits never heard of it
 
ever heard of realm of the mad god?
 
It's probably not what you're looking for.
 
@HelkaHomba n$z3[i2+zi2+%-z+N]. 19 bytes.
 
I've played rotmg. Not my favorite.
 
2:55 AM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ angband
 
@HelkaHomba f=(N,a=N+1,b=N+1,c=N+1)=>a%2||b%3||c%4?f(N,a%2?a+1:a,b%3?b+1:b,c%4?c+1:c):[a,b,‌​c]
 
Jelly, 7 bytes: N%2r4¤+
 
._. I just got owned
 
ninjowned even.
 
@quartata okay
 
2:57 AM
@Dennis that give a = 10 when N = 10 but all a,b,c > N
 
Oops.
 
@AlexA. I haven't played DF and Undertale is definitely not a roguelike
 
@mınxomaτ Oh, I forgot to say that my solution is THtHtHtHTHTH, where lowercase "t" is T†.
 
@quartata I don't really know what Undertale is I just hear you say that it's good
 
@AlexA. Undertale is one of my favorite games of all time.
 
2:59 AM
Yeah, your avatar used to be from it, right?
 
as is evident by one of your former avatars
 
Undertale is a JRPG
 
So like Earthbound
 
s/former/current
 
2:59 AM
@quartata Jerry Rarely Plays Games?
 
Golfed down to 17 bytes: n$z3[zi2+$d%-+N].
 
My avatar (and username) is different on PPCG.
 

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