The Nineteenth Byte

El'endia Starman

05:00

Macs have got to have an equivalent of MS Paint or better built-in...

Anonymous

GIMP has a portable distribution

Quill

@El'endiaStarman nope, nothing

Eridan

My options were PowerPoint and LaTeX, and I'm too tired to learn Beamer

Anonymous

So you can use it even if you don't have install rights

Geobits

GIMP portable has saved my ass on multiple occasions. Stupid corporate privileges crap.

Eridan

05:02

Sigh, the problem with LaTeX is that I can't make it look like Eclipse. Oh well, it's either LaTeX or that, and it appears PowerPoint is shunned... for some reason

El'endia Starman

@Dennis: how would you write ruhig so an English speaker would say it right? It kinda sounds like ruu-ish.

Quill

The Romeo and Butt-Head film actually got two thumbs up from Siskel and Oates.

Geobits

Sherlock Holmes and Silent Bob: 5/5 would watch again

DJ McGoathem

The Romeo and Butthead option actually got two thumbs up from Siskel and Oates.

Geobits, our avatars are really similar.

Eridan

Calvin and the King = Helka Homba and Dennis confirmed

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Geobits

05:05

@DJMcGoathem No, mine is what a proper vote looks like :P

Anonymous

@Eridan Please, Martin is the true king.

DJ McGoathem

@Geobits ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous

I need to turn off updates of the userscript and make my own icons

Downgoat

Anonymous

Neither the boats nor the star fit the sit

Geobits

05:07

Why the huge gaps in the code?

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Oh, that looks a lot better. Except for the aggravating uncenteredness of all the text.

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman yeah, I'll fix that but I wanted to know if it looks good at all

Anonymous

Stop using the same damn background for everything :P

Geobits

I think you may need a touch more contrast between fore/back text, or at least a size difference to set it apart.

Downgoat

@Mego I don't have any other background :/

Anonymous

05:08

@Downgoat Make another one?

Anonymous

Like maybe use FizzBuzz for a change

Downgoat

@Geobits the text is actually part of the background just bolded and brightened in color. If you look at the background carefully it should form valid programs

Geobits

Ooooh.... well that's odd.

Dennis

@El'endiaStarman I'm not sure how to write the last part...

Anonymous

It's an interesting idea, but it doesn't look good

Downgoat

05:10

@Mego yeah, came out worse than I expected

Geobits

I do think it would look somewhat better with the whole background filled, instead of long gaps of nothingness.

Downgoat

@Geobits that is a fault of adobe illustrator but I'll try to fix that

Geobits

Then again... I'm not sure a screen filled with code conveys "golfed" to me at a glance ;)

Of course, I'd love to see an ad that focuses more on the non-golf stuff, but I'm not sure how to do that (and I don't really like the wreath).

Downgoat

We're not graduated with a design yet so if I use the beta logo and then we get our graduation design it'll look out of place

Alex A.

We have graduated.

We just don't have all of the perks set up yet.

Geobits

05:13

Oh, I totally agree with the "don't use the beta logo" thing.

Downgoat

@AlexA. see edit ;)

Alex A.

@Downgoat ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

@AlexA. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quill

Somebody should make a community ads meta

Geobits

There is one, isn't there?

Alex A.

05:14

Yeah

Quill

not an updated one, no

Geobits

Or is there not a new one yet?

Alex A.

Phi made one last week or so

Anonymous

Dumbest idea I've come up with yet for my memory golf tag idea: I'm going to try to modify gnulibc to use a custom malloc that will log memory allocation

Quill

That's not a community ads post

that's a PPCG ad campaign post

community ads are the ads that are hosted on your site

Anonymous

05:15

Oh, you meaning choosing which ads we get?

Quill

see here

Geobits

It's easy. Anything but CR :P

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Quill

> What are Community Promotion Ads?
Community Promotion Ads are community-vetted advertisements that will show up on the main site, in the right sidebar. The purpose of this question is the vetting process. Images of the advertisements are provided, and community voting will enable the advertisements to be shown.

Why do we have Community Promotion Ads?
This is a method for the community to control what gets promoted to visitors on the site. For example, you might promote the following things:

feersum

@Mego I'll just put all the memory on the stack then :P

Downgoat

our site has chatbots, can we make community ads for that? :P

Anonymous

05:16

@feersum Stack size is easy to count :P Just look at the executable

Quill

So you guys might put up a link to a Vim site, or each to their own language on GitHub

Anonymous

The GitHub idea for esolangs sounds neat

Geobits

@Mego Why use memory when there's a perfectly good hard drive just sitting there doing nothing?

Anonymous

Which means I need to some up with a good ad for Seriously

Alex A.

@Quill Looks like it's a job for Grace Note, not for us.

Anonymous

05:17

@Geobits I/O operations outside of the challenge requirements will be forbidden

Quill

Possibly. Grace Note usually just does the Twitter one, though, so I don't know exactly.

Geobits

@Mego You sure know how to take the fun out of things :P

Quill

Next time they're around, ask

Anonymous

@Geobits s/take the fun out of things/close obvious loopholes/

Geobits

Yea, that's what I said >_>

Anonymous

05:18

Besides, using disk I/O would be even easier to count

Geobits

Only if you're looking at it.

Anonymous

I mean, if you store all your data on the disk rather than in memory, you can easily see the size

Downgoat

5

Community ad for chatgoat if we can advertise bots

Anonymous

@Downgoat oh god my sides

Geobits

s/whose/who's/

Quill

05:20

meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/prediction-data

DJ McGoathem

I really hope that once we get our new site design, there will be a random goat somewhere.

Anonymous

@DJMcGoathem That would be baaaad

Geobits

> Come _UNK with the Funky Bunch. Visit Marky today!

DJ McGoathem

...

Geobits

It doesn't appear there are many restrictions on what we can advertise, but I wouldn't expect the chatbots to do well in voting :(

Anonymous

05:24

We should definitely have one for Data, though, considering his usefulness

Geobits

The one that we need is Sandbox. Maybe loopholes.

Quill

Personally, I would downvote any bot posted to a community ads thread

Somebody do up a cool sandbox ad

Downgoat

Quill

LOL

Anonymous

@Downgoat Neither, it's probably crap

Downgoat

05:25

apparently a lot of people have that dilemma ad choose PPCG

Quill

> Prorgamming

Downgoat

@Quill Porpoising Puzzles & Code Golf

Geobits

@Downgoat As long as that link goes directly to SO :D

DJ McGoathem

Prorgramming Poozles and Crode glof.

Geobits

Prorated Puzzlers and Crude Gulf

Quill

05:26

Dumb Goats and Avocado Juice

Downgoat

Programming Puzzles & Stack Overflow

@Quill ~~ಠ_ಠ~~

Quill

Programming Code and Golf Review

Geobits

~~Programming Puzzles~~ Various Stuff & Code Golf

DJ McGoathem

ಠ_ಠ and ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Downgoat

ಠ_ಠ and ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ

DJ McGoathem

05:27

ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

should I make the background for the community green or white?

Quill

_UNK and _UNK

Geobits

Something non-green would be nice for a change ;)

> We've already thought of that (links to loopholes)

Quill

github.com/ndugger/youdontneedjquery

El'endia Starman

I really wish Duolingo didn't have mid-gray text on white...

Geobits

05:30

Have you tried Memrise? I didn't go far with it, but it seemed nice.

El'endia Starman

I see I've visited that website before. Huh.

feersum

Is that the inverse of memset?

Anonymous

Ack why did the text do that

Geobits

The texture is a bit much imo

Odd top/bottom margins, too

El'endia Starman

05:32

@Geobits I might go through the German course there after finishing the one on Duolingo.

Geobits

@feersum Depends on altitude, but in general yes.

Downgoat

any ideas on what I should do for the text?

Geobits

Two sentences capitalized, the other not. Nice.

Downgoat

@Geobits I'm sorry, I suck at grammar :/

Geobits

I like the thought of a giant sand castle built in the box, with a bulldozer named Peter coming to knock it down.

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Downgoat

05:34

@Geobits ._.

Quill

@Geobits 6/10 very phallic

Geobits

Something like "Have an idea? See if it can withstand this"

Anonymous

Quill

nooooo

Downgoat

also, what's everyones' favorite font?

Quill

05:36

just remove data's background

Anonymous

Gack that gradient didn't come out well

Geobits

@Quill Errr... Not that kind of Peter. The Taylor kind >_>

Quill

@Downgoat Comic Sans

Dennis

Comic Sans

Sp3000

@Downgoat Segoe Print

Dennis

05:36

ninja'd

Downgoat

@Quill I don't have Comic Sans, sorry

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Times New Roman, if only to tick off @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ.

Geobits

Wingdings!!

DJ McGoathem

Papyrus.

Quill

@Downgoat Comic Sans is a system font o_O

El'endia Starman

05:36

Calibri looks good.

Quill

monospace

Geobits

How about some terrible "Olde English" style?

Downgoat

@Quill I uninstalled it

Geobits

That seems uncalled for.

Downgoat

I'll use Lato...

Quill

05:37

well you're a killjoy aren't you

Geobits

Droid Sans

Quill

But seriously, I love that Doge font

Downgoat

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

Quill

what's it called again

2 mins ago, by Quill

just remove data's background

magic wand tool

Downgoat

how's that?

ignore the line on the left

Geobits

05:39

Hmm. The last line goes with the first, but if I just like sandboxes, what is the "it" I'm posting?

Downgoat

@Geobits Should I remove the "Just like sandboxes" then?

Quill

You should probably clarify a little more what the Sandbox is for, and how new users should be using the Sandbox before posting

Liam

Just like sand?
Join us in the sandbox!

Geobits

@Downgoat Nah, I think it needs something there.

Quill

> Like throwing sand in people's eyes?
Join us in the sandbox!

Geobits

05:40

@Quill Right. Sand castle about to be knocked over. What's unclear about that? :P

Downgoat

Liam

I keep reading the first "sandbox" as "sandwich"

El'endia Starman

> Have a challenge idea?
Not ---Calvin's Hobbies--- Helka Homba?

Join us in the Sandbox!

Quill

@Geobits It's an aggressive image, the opposite of what you'd want to present to new users

DJ McGoathem

I honestly don't know if I'll ever think of him as anything other than Calvin's Hobbies.

Geobits

05:41

@Quill The first image they see of me is a downvote icon, for the record.

Downgoat

The first image they see of me is an upside-down goat with negative rep.

Geobits

@Downgoat My son is a big fan of your avatar, just to let you know.

Quill

the first image they see of me is one ugly mug

Downgoat

@Geobits :D

Geobits

He recently found Goat Simulator.

Downgoat

05:43

@Geobits that's a great game

Geobits

I had a feeling you'd say that.

He's also quite sad that the Calvin & Hobbes avatar went away. Luckily, he's also a Minecraft fan.

(my screen stays on chat too much I think)

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Q: How to solve simultaneous congruences equations in r

3x ≡ 7(mod2) 2x ≡ 5(mod3) 5x ≡ 4(mod7) I solved this congruences in R, like given below > modlin(3,7,2) [1] 1 > modlin(2,5,3) [1] 1 > modlin(5,4,7) [1] 5 > a<-c(1,1,5) > m<-c(2,3,7) > chinese(a,m) [1] 19 > prod(2,3,7) [1] 42 So, I got the correct answer x=19(mod 42) In this case, GCD(2,3,7)...

El'endia Starman

hahaha

First image they see of me is...well, a hedgehog in front of an exploding impossible triangle.

Quill

@NewMainPosts where da mods at

El'endia Starman

The opposite of your minimalistic avatars. :P

Geobits

05:45

mods schmods

Downgoat

Geobits

The resemblance is uncanny.

Anonymous

I'm really bad at graphic design, but hey, I'm trying

El'endia Starman

GAH

CYAN ON WHITE

Anonymous

05:48

I should probably make the background less ugly

Geobits

The text fades into the gradient there

Quill

black and white gradient with cyan

jesus he wasn't joking about the graphic design thing

Anonymous

Geobits

FYI, I really am going to downvote any chatbot ads. Just sayin'

Downgoat

@Mego just make it white?

Anonymous

05:49

@Downgoat Gross

Quill

@Mego subtlepatterns.com

Downgoat

@Mego gray?

Geobits

@Downgoat Not with that text color hopefully

Anonymous

@Geobits :( DataBot is at least somewhat relevant to the site

El'endia Starman

Oh man, I remember working on my website's color scheme, getting feedback from my fiancée. At one point, I was purposefully choosing worse and worse colors (as in, cyan, then orange, then gold, then yellow) just to watch her reaction. :P

Quill

05:50

Except he doesn't even run here, and 90% of PPCG users won't interact with him

Geobits

How many people use it? I only know a couple people talking about it in chat.

Either way, somebody get this man some color swatches, stat.

Anonymous

@Quill He doesn't run here because the mods have put a blanket ban on bots in this room

Downgoat

I recommend #F2F4F5 for the background and plain back text

Quill

1 min ago, by Quill

@Mego http://subtlepatterns.com/

Downgoat

That's better...

Helka Homba

05:52

@Downgoat Whats going on here? Are you userscripting me back to Calvin?

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba :|

~~maybe~~ yes

feersum

That's the first compelling reason I've heard to use a script.

Geobits

@Mego Try Paletton for colors.

@HelkaHomba Some people have real problems with change ;)

somebody

@Downgoat :( you haven't incremented the version number

Downgoat

@somebody oh whoops

Quill

05:54

@Geobits I had four people ping me when I got a haircut and updated my icon

somebody

also, why not userscript lirtosiast, Lynn and AquaTart back as well?

Quill

People are weird

Downgoat

@somebody true

Quill

While you're at it, userscripts our hats back

Downgoat

@Quill is there an API for that?

Quill

05:55

no lol

Downgoat

I can't find a jquery plugin :(

somebody

@Downgoat jquery plugin for what?

Anonymous

Is that less bad?

Geobits

Less bad, yes.

somebody

05:56

@Mego need to change the font

Quill

s/less/more

somebody

also, it looks like he got decapitated

Quill

s/more bad/worse

@somebody At the shoulders?

somebody

yeah

Downgoat

@Mego change the font to Lato

somebody

05:57

@Quill the regex is case insensitive?

Quill

wat

Geobits

@Quill It's not worse than cyan fading into white :/

Quill

@somebody meh

Anonymous

@Downgoat I don't seem to have that font in GIMP

El'endia Starman

I think the font is just fine.

Quill

05:59

51

Q: What is this site that shows up as one of the top referrers to SO?

dogshowsonice.com is one of the top referrers of traffic for StackOverflow. Any idea what that is? The homepage is just a generic landing page. Google doesn't turn up anything interesting.

discussion site-analytics referrers

> dogshowsonice.com

Downgoat

@Mego latofonts.com/lato-free-fonts/#download

somebody

is suspicious

someone is spam upvoting my stuff

Geobits

Dunno. Lato is very straight and precise to me.

Anonymous

Lato looks nice

somebody

@Mego what about roboto?

Geobits

06:02

I guess "precise" fits Data, though, if not the site's feel.

Quill

Lato is nice

Downgoat

Just don't set Lato to your browser's default font

Quill

set comic sans to your default font

Geobits

Lato looks better the bolder it is imo.

somebody

@Quill s/comic sans/wingdings

Anonymous

06:04

somebody

topdesignmag.com/top-10-most-notoriously-hated-fonts

Anonymous

Need to make the font bigger...

somebody

D: i can see the image border

Geobits

I think ads are boxed in, so that wouldn't be an issue.

Anonymous

Downgoat

06:05

@Mego Make "DataBot" bold (and or bigger)

Geobits

A size up instead of bold would also work.

Quill

bancomicsans.com

Anonymous

Oh gross I didn't fully get the image border from Data's pic out

Geobits

Use this one and spoof "the most interesting man in the world":

Anonymous

06:10

@Geobits "I don't always run your code, but when I do, I do it in a minute or less?"

somebody

@Mego border still there

Quill

Somebody should do a 19th byte ad

Anonymous

The damn thing won't go away :(

Geobits

@Mego Yea, I was trying to come up with a good punchline, but it's not easy for this one.

somebody

@Quill idk what to put in the ad

it has to be recognised as a programming puzzle/code challenge and short

Geobits

06:12

@Quill And spoil the purity of our beloved chat room with newcomers?

>_>

Anonymous

Quill

@Geobits purity? half this chatroom's messages contain avocad

it's hard to get worse than that

Anonymous

WHY IS THE BORDER STILL THERE

Anonymous

I MADE IT TRANSPARENT!

Geobits

@Quill That's not true, just ask Marky. He still _UNKs at avocad I think :P

El'endia Starman

06:12

Just eraser over it.

Anonymous

I deleted it! I added color over it!

Anonymous

There, slapped some border-b-gone on it

Geobits

Huh. I stand corrected.

Marky can juic avocad

1 min ago, 17 seconds total – 6 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 16 secs ago by Geobits

Ok, so maybe there's too much avocad in here.

Dennis

in Beep Boop Maggot, 1 min ago, by Chatgoat

@Geobits A goat...

wat

Downgoat

06:16

haha

Geobits

I dunno. Blame the goat :)

Dennis

in Beep Boop Maggot, 14 hours ago, by ETHbot

Alex a. is false.

lol

Downgoat

jsfiddle.net/Lk4o076w/1

Sp3000

What's our bot count up to anyway? I've lost count

Downgoat

@Sp3000 I think 4 active ones

somebody

06:19

4?

chatgoat, databot, ethbot, marky

Geobits

kat is up sometimes

Helka Homba

Is DataBot a chatroom or what?

Downgoat

chat.stackexchange.com/users/189665/data

Geobits

2

^ Crudely hurried prototype

s/your/yours/

Liam

that's a good one

Downgoat

06:25

@Geobits that's really good

Liam

"yours" though

Geobits

Yea, see below image >_>

Liam

ah yeah

El'endia Starman

Great idea.....except I'm not sure we want to tell new users that their challenges will be mercilessly destroyed...

Well, I guess a warning is nice.

Liam

why doesn't peter have nipples

or a belly button

Geobits

06:26

You should probably ask Peter that.

El'endia Starman

Because he's not human.

Liam

the look of glee is spot on I would think

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Geobits

No idea the license on the image. I like it, but will find another if bad :/

Will play with it some tomorrow. Bed time now.

Helka Homba

@Geobits that's a confusing message. the castle plainly was built in a sandbox first, but is getting destroyed nonetheless. rebuilding/improving should be the focus

Liam

that is true

it is pretty funny but a kid building a castle would be more true to the purpose of the sandbox

Geobits

06:29

Sure. I was going for fun(ny) first, message second. Not all ads need to be completely serious. Those often don't get clicked at all.

Martin Büttner

@lirtosiast who does though

Helka Homba

@Geobits But no one outside of ppcg (the people the ad is target for) would understand

Geobits

@HelkaHomba This ad is for within PPCG, IIUC.

If you mean new users, yes.

Helka Homba

Oh? they have those

Sp3000

Hmm I really want to make a Calvin challenge, remixing past questions, but writing a popularity-contest answer-chaining image-processing ascii-art source-layout sequence might be a bit hard

Geobits

06:32

Yea, they're the "community" ads.

somebody

@Sp3000 only a bit

Anonymous

TIL about a very useful GNU libc extension for memory-golf: malloc_stats

somebody

@Sp3000 input is via image-processing, output is ascii-art. type: popularity-contest.

Geobits

Source layout is also ASCII art, and answers chain by animating the next frame.

Anonymous

This doesn't work in ideone, but you can try it locally

Anonymous

06:44

For some reason the last free on my system doesn't release all 1024 bytes. I'm guessing it's some bookkeeping data by glibc

Anonymous

06:56

What would be good for an initial memory-golf challenge, without it being too trivial or complex?

Anonymous

My brain is only wanting to come up with trivial ideas

Geobits

07:09

How about MP3 to PCM conversion? totally not related to earlier conversation >_>

Cyoce

+1 For writing your own language just to win a code golf — Thomas Ahle Jan 16 '13 at 1:39

lol

Anonymous

@Geobits That would be solidly in the category of "too complex"

Anonymous

43

A: Fibonacci Code Golf

18 characters of English.. "Fibonacci Sequence" ok, I fail. :)

Anonymous

And that's why we have the loophole :)

Anonymous

KotH problems: when you think of a neat idea for a KotH but are too lazy to implement the controller

somebody

07:21

solution: crowdsource controller development

Anonymous

I tried that with the Draughts KotH. Nobody has picked it up yet

Cyoce

The pedant in me says it doesn't cause any stack to overflow, just throws an exception. That's like saying the quickest way to be attacked by sharks is to stand in the sea and scream "Shark attack!". Despite this, I will up-vote it. :) — Bernard Sep 16 '08 at 3:06

somebody

@Mego link?

Anonymous

4

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

King Me - Draughts King of the Hill Draughts (or checkers, as it is known in the United States) is a well-known international game. I was surprised that we have not had a draughts King of the Hill yet, so here's one! In case you're unfamiliar with the rules (or perhaps you need a refresher), her...

somebody

08:22

what do i name the wireless

also, is there a circuit-based esolang?

apart from Funciton

Sp3000

esolangs.org/wiki/Circuit_Diagram

somebody

so either a) i can make a golfier one, or b) i need another idea

Sp3000

Or you could just make it anyway and it doesn't have to be golfy :P

somebody

but

there's already one

Sp3000

There's no problem with making your own one if you have your own way of doing things

shrugs

somebody

08:27

but

it's too similar, not much point

also, i wasn't planning on using it anyway

undergroundmonorail

08:41

oh man, i

haven't been around for a couple days

i didn't see this

@Geobits how did you get into grace note's account

Quill

How did you not see this, it's pinned to the star board O_O

undergroundmonorail

3 mins ago, by undergroundmonorail

oh man, i

3 mins ago, by undergroundmonorail

haven't been around for a couple days

earlier when i was talking i was on mobile

Sherlock9

@somebody Apparently Circuit Diagram is unimplemented. You could either work on an implementation of Circuit Diagram or just write up your language idea and implement it from the beginning

Martin Büttner

Oh, ELL got shiny new colours

Anonymous

Ooh me gusta

somebody

08:55

TIL what linux workspaces are for

Quill

@MartinBüttner I hope PPCG is next :)

Anonymous

Probably not

somebody

D: someone broke the userscript's chat icon replacement

El'endia Starman

Haha, yeah, we probably won't get a design for a few months.

Anonymous

Japanese, Music, and Aviation were all ahead of us

El'endia Starman

08:57

Sites are graduating faster than SE's design team can keep up with.

Anonymous

We're just too awesome

somebody

Meanwhile, use the userscript

Anonymous

#HireMoreDesigners

El'endia Starman

You know they had only one designer just a few years ago?

I wonder how many they have now...

Nine, apparently.

Marky can juic avocad

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