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7:03 AM
posted on February 22, 2016 by bilbo pingouin

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11:20 AM
People are downvoting examples to say that they're off topic but not adding an explanation for why - to be useful really we need you to add your reason
Hi guys, any news about the design?
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1:10 PM
I've not heard anything, might be worth someone posting a comment asking :)
1:47 PM
For risk factors, do we want to have something like: "google the terms of the question first and come back asking it later"... as sometimes, the OP use words they clearly don't understand, supernovae, black holes, etc. And with their failed understanding, their question has no sense..?
In principle, in several other sites, the OP are required to show that they looked for a solution by themselves before asking it here. That would be somehow the same idea. People should look up what they are talking about. At least, when a simple read of the corresponding wikipedia article would help them refine their question...
One example (that I already cited) is worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/36456/… where the OP would profit a lot from reading the wiki page about supernovae...
2:06 PM
The downvote button for questions, the hover text is: 'Does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful'. Not having any evidence of knowing what they are asking is a clear lack of research effort. Note that this does not translate into 'must have read wikipedia article', however it is a good start :P
2:21 PM
I know, but in extreme cases, I find that that isn't enough...
but ok, I could DV more often :)
2:53 PM
Especially since downvoting a question costs no rep
yes, but it has the default of letting anyone answer it, making it as one image of WB... that I'd rather avoid
and to me, having a question on-hold feels less agressive than downvote. The OP do not lose any reputation and has a chance to fix their question. A DV, even if they do fix their question, it is not so likely that the downvoter will come back to check and thus remove the vote
@bilbo_pingouin I think there are still questions that deserve downvotes, like questions that one believes can never be fixed. Like a question that doesn't know what it's talking about, even if the OP does research they'll only figure out how stupid the question was
holding questions implies they can be fixed, downvoting implies they should be deleted
3:08 PM
upvotes are worth a lot more than downvotes for the person asking the question. If they fix it then they recover rep.
but I would say that less people look at downvoted questions
if it's put on hold and then edited, it at least shows up in the review queue
The problem here seems to be that stack exchange design is to downvote bad questions, but people want to put them on hold to be nice instead.
edited questions are bumped to the top of the active stack, just like new questions.
Once it gets back to 0 or higher votes, people will treat it like a new question.
Because very few people look at the age of a question
yeah, I guess I agree with that
we are way too nice around here
I don't like downvoting because I don't have confidence in my own opinions, but I assume that's a personal deficiency. Everyone else should be downvoting way more than me
but maybe the lack of downvotes is just part of the accept-anything mindset a lot of people have gotten into for this site
3:30 PM
that's also the advantage of closing questions... there are 4 other persons judging the status... downvote, is less effective but more definitive
the problem, is that people still answer bad questions, even if there aren't any upvotes... so on-hold is to make clear to everyone that there is a problem with that question
and is a first step to it being deleted... That's an interesting question, can one delete a question that isn't on-hold? High-rep users? I suppose mods can.
the OP can self-delete
and after a while, aren't downvoted questions hidden for low-rep users?
3:54 PM
@bilbo_pingouin Mods can, non-mods need to close it first, and there are still limitations such as upvoted answers etc
4:16 PM
do we actually have a balloon-whales tag and if so why don't we use it?
I think there was one question that used it
I already designed a whole world around balloon whales, it was surprisingly easy
So are Mystical-Biscuit-Tools made of unobtanium? tasty!
I'm actually planning on asking a balloon whale question rather soon
do you have a question in mind, or do you just want to use that tag?
4:26 PM
I actually do. But in the meantime, I accidentally discovered and edited this:
Q: Blue whale on Balloon

user6760Story No story. Objective Displacing a average adult blue whale into the stratosphere and return it into water without killing it. Conditions Any methodology must not conflict with current known physics. No animal abuse/cruelty allowed. Ensure the animal is conscious throughout the journey....

I proposed an edit, so I'll need it peer reviewed.
And I voted a re-open.
I think the edits were a bit too drastic, you might just want to ask your own version
Mm. I thought that might be the case. How would you tone them down and still make them WB-worthy?
well, the main idea of edits is to make the question more readable while still maintaining the author's intent, so you probably shouldn't change the criteria
or maybe I'm wrong, looks like the edit was accepted
That was me
Fixed it to follow the intent, hopefully their unusual criteria allow for a re-open.
Anybody quick review the edit o' the edit?
Thanks, @James.
4:34 PM
I just rejected an attempted edit.
I would leave the new tags on, I added those, it doesn't change the intent
it removed tags, and changed certain things in the conditions
@Mourdos Yeah that was to fix an overly ambitious previous change.
then why not rollback?
Who removed tags, @Mourdos?
...? When the heck is my icon on the chat gonna change?
...been three days.
4:37 PM
Caleb attempted to remove science based and transportation
I did not.
Evidently my suggested edit #2 came in at the same time as @James posted his?
It seems so
it might even have come it just after his was approved
@RileySantos May need to clear cache
which is why the tags looked like being removed
I'm @CalebWoodman now. How come on this computer my accounts don't seem merged?
4:39 PM
Because your chat profile is not quite the same as your stack exchange profie
it is 'linked', but is not the same
its complicated, and that is about I know about it
So how... to fix that?
log out of chat
clear cache
How to clear cache?
4:40 PM
This profile here links to your now defunct account on worldbuilding
depends on your browser
okay still me. I have chrome. Could I just clear all cookies?
GOnna try that brb.
4:43 PM
My problem with the whale question is it feels like someone has a problem with a story.
And we are not here for plot advice.
yep, I don't think the borderline-too-aggressive edits can save it
Hey @CalebWoodman
And my icon, too!
I think the book and quill suits my editor personality.
Yeah. I tend to very aggressively cling to the 'no, this is a problem in your story, not about worldbuilding' line.
Too bad. If I posed a question like that myself, ('cuz I'm now quite curious,) it would be marked as a dupe of a closed question.
4:48 PM
Yes, because it too, would be off topic
@CalebWoodman If you can ask a similar, on-topic question it will almost certainly not be a duplicate
Thanks. I might. Maybe. But I'll be happy if someone else does too.
Anybody have the chrome app?
Stack Alert?
The problem is, I don't know how this would be a similar topic and on topic.
I can't see artificially floating whales for a short amount of time as on topic in any way. Were it a creature design question, about whales that could float, then it would be on topic.
@DaaaahWhoosh Asking for a technological way to do something seems on topic for me...
Does it James? It still smells a lot like plot.
4:52 PM
@James might be too broad. If you're asking if it's possible, then sure, but if you're asking how to do it, then I'd need to see your constraints first
@James I agree. And @Mourdos there is absolutely no way to say we can't /don't have crap-loads of plot-based questions.
well the plot discussion needs to happen after the Character Based discussion is done
I don't necersarilly agree with Mourdos
It seems my Character Based discussion question isn't working how I hoped though. I might have to delete it and try something else
since so far all we're getting is "I don't think it's on topic" with no explanation
which doesn't help
Proposed an edit for:
Q: Why would One Nation have magic and the other not

Bryan McClureTwo nations on the same plaint. One has advanced technology the other magic. How could this happen? Assuming that anyone with the right training could use magic and that magic doesn't cause technology to fail or vice versa.

However, I think we will need to do a little work to keep this one alive.
Meta question: When are we going to get a cool background and special tags and whatnot, like other sites? I want or background to have flying whales floating through the world of "Integral Trees", and maybe a bewildered-looking God looking down confusedly from heaven. Absolutely serious.
5:11 PM
@TimB I think all the examples are bad examples of the 'character based' issue
not that I have better examples, but those ones don't seem to fit
well I've asked repeatedly for examples and got tumbleweed
so I went through the case studies and that was all I had that even vaguely applied
yeah, if I have time I'll try and find some
Anybody willing to look back at this question and shoot me an answer? Not worth a bounty, (Maybe,) but I never really got the amount/type of answers I was looking for.
Q: Instantly grow new limbs

Caleb WoodmanIn a couple of games, you encounter a creature or two that regrows limbs immediately after losing them, not necessarily the same kind or aesthetic of limb. You shoot the creature, it loses an arm, it grows a horrible mutant arm, you shoot it again, it dies. TLDR: how do you make a creature, or e...

Keeping in mind that this one got a variety of interesting answers, and it's linked.
Q: Hydra regeneration explained with science

VincentThe Hydra is a mythical creature with the ability the regrow severed limbs, including the head(s). According to the dungeon and dragon 3.5 version of the hydra : each time one limb is separated from the body, it grows back. Sometimes, two heads will grow to replace the lost one, until it reaches ...

Andrei's answer basically covered it all caleb
I don't know, that's why I dropped this comment way back then.
I find it funny that everyone assumes that these limbs are human limbs with bone and highly-developed structure. Popping a new limb out from a deliberate hole in the old one in the case of amputation would be totally viable, I agree. Don't burden yourself with assumptions of what the "perfect limb" is like! – Caleb Woodman Jan 27 at 16:59
5:19 PM
it all comes down to mass
your new arm has to come from somewhere
to do that you need a lot of cells
Or a hollow chest with an arm. Who the heck say's we're talking anything vaguely earth-creature like?
And as I said, it can be any sort of arm. A jelly squirt stored in a nearby cavity, a bony thing pushed out like an extra tooth, what have ya.
so close as a dupe to the hydra question and be done :)
I think that question could very well be idea generation, answerers sticking to 'it can't be done' might be their way of keeping it on-topic
Perhaps, but I think with such a scope as mine, it would be permissible to say yes, if Maaaaagiiiiic.
5:36 PM
Is there a shortcut for linking to a worldbuilding question so the title shows up as the link text? Similar to the tour shortcut.
@Samuel I second this question, I really don't like having to copy the title and URL
Doesn't it already format the url to be the title when you post in an answer? Or is that just on meta?
As I recall, at least in comments, it just makes the link into a link if you type the URL
but meta.stackexchange.com/a/89809 seems to say that it does convert it for you
Q: Ethics of voting for low-rep users?

Caleb WoodmanI have a fetish. One that I am extremely careful about any place serious. I like helping people. I like helping new people. And I like voting for people so they don't have to scrape and agonize to get to the relatively tiny rep I have after months. But this is SE. And this is WB. And while new pe...

6:12 PM
oh, man, I'm looking through old Meta questions, and it looks like nothing has changed since the beginning
except apparently they thought that questions could be 'too localized' - meta.worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/14/…
our elevator pitch seems to be 'Making fictional worlds more credible.' Not too poetic, but I think it's a good foundation
7:12 PM
@TimB I am going to go through your stuff. I don't log in much if at all most weekends
We also burninated a popular tag that was being misused
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8:22 PM
which tag is that?
8:51 PM
Q: How to boost upvotes on questions

Caleb WoodmanI have questions. Good questions. Hot questions. Quite a few of them. They get many views. They get many answer-upvotes. But. I don't get credited for asking a question worthy of an answer of quality. If you like an answer to a question, unless it's poetic or comedic, then it only makes sense th...

Q: Is it fair to allow non-questions to be upvoted on meta?

Caleb WoodmanIf you want to post something on meta, you can. There is no real limitation to this. However. If you post something that is't a question, or make comments in the form of 'answers', is it at all right that your rep goes up? * *For doing nothing relating to the 'goal' of SE, which is: "Ask que...

@CalebWoodman, it's probably better here than on meta... what do you mean "oh do I upvote ?"?
it can be that I wasn't clear... but of course, people should vote for the questions, not for the OP
but, if you upvote good questions, and others do it actively, there will be more questions upvoted, and eventually yours as well
@Samuel In a post, question or answer, providing the link (http and not https!) will get the title automatically
See... meta.worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/2594/…, if you click edit on the answer, you'll see what I mean :)
in a comment, I don't believe it works...
@bilbo_pingouin I was more interested in saving time for the comments. But good to know for answers.
yeah... AFAIK, it's not possible there. Probably because they thought that on comments people would not cite the whole title of a question
Yeah, fair enough.
9:07 PM
By the way, it is the same here...
Q: Risk Factor definition: Too Individual/Character Based

Tim BAs the Risk Factor identified as most important by this post I'm starting a discussion on Too Individual/Character Based. Please start answers to this question discussing each of the examples, adding more examples, and discussing just where to draw the line. Once we've reached a consensus and up...

Just the link without anything else leads to ^^^
Guess who just made the 3rd balloon-whale tagged question in existence?
@CalebWoodman Balloon whale bob?
it might have been me.
That was my fourth guess
Gotta know the first three go
9:12 PM
@CalebWoodman Impressive. By the way, is the tag necessary here? I feel like it could cover a loooot of questions on Worldbuilding.
Heck, sometimes I have to suspend my disbelief just to visit the site.
1. Balloon Whale Bob
2. Neptune
3. My imaginary friend snotgoblin
@HDE226868 this is my way of taking the non-reality-check tag OFF OF META and into WB. And yes, it is necessary almost everywhere for a decent set of responses, in some opinions.
@HDE226868 I feel like that tag is implied on basically every question here...
~Should be, @James.
Does anyone know what our timeline is for getting the site design applied? I want to know if our robot will be in the final draft...I have an idea.
9:17 PM
It needs flying whales
Area 51 much, @James?
@CalebWoodman I did for quite a while but then world building got into meta and I dont visit much anymore
@James the same question was asked earlier today... as most I supposed they were waiting for the election to end... but now...
I know you probably hear it much too often, but... is there any plan on when we could get the updated version? — bilbo_pingouin 23 secs ago
asked on the meta post ^^^
@bilbo_pingouin Thanks, Ill check back for a response later.
...on a side note I just made up the name snotgoblin and I have the urge to write a children's book.
@James This is the last time I'll bug you about it, but I did finally get values for you for the stability answer I've been bugging you with updates about, and the system is very, very stable for the values I chose.
@HDE226868 Are you planning to add it to the answer?
9:29 PM
@James I just did.
@HDE226868 ..sweet.
Surprisingly, they all fit onto a single sheet of paper when I handwrote it all out.
@HDE226868 dang. thats impressive.
That goodness my calculator didn't croak in the middle of it all.
That would have screwed me over.
@HDE226868 Are you using a TI or something?
9:35 PM
@James My TI-84. The school-issued TI-89 ran out of batteries just before I started.
...interesting, I had sorta figured that TI's went extinct with laptops becoming so common place
Laptop calculators aren't awesome. TIs are quick, I find. And I didn't want to boot up my laptop (this was last night).
Anyway, I'm glad I'm done with that answer. Now I can move on to fixing others.
Which are going to be a bit harder.
Not that this one wasn't hard, but still.
10:11 PM
I made my TI-89 rechargable from the USB port on top.
Also, you can get an exact emulator of the TI-89 for Android.

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