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10:07 AM
Jesus Christ.
So many people and not one if them has seen Idiocracy.
Get your cultural references straight.
And that, Mohammed, is why we can't have nice things.
 
@RegDwigнt I still haven't seen it. I guess it looked too stupid to me :p
 
So, that was one crucial important key thing that was completely missing from the discussion, making the discussion a complete and utter waste of time.
But wait! It wasn't the only one. There's more!
 
more? but it's already at such a low price!
 
@GraceNote on neither occasion did this "make people uncomfortable" while it was "actively happening". Both messages were flagged, and removed, about 30 minutes after the fact.
They had long scrolled out of everyone's view.
So there are people who make it a point to voluntarily read the transcript, and then meddle with it.
However, if you come in here, and people are talking about daffodils and kittens, and you go off on a quest to read something else that nobody forces you to read, and then get offended that it features the word "motherfucker", then frankly that's your own fault.
2
 
frankly?
 
10:19 AM
Nobody is under no obligation to read the transcript. So don't flag shit from five years ago.
9
 
how about 4 years ago?
 
Absolutely everyone, however, is under the obligation to watch Idiocracy, as well as Big Lebowski and Breaking Bad, because these are the permanent points of reference here.
 
where does kit get off on her actions?
hmm?
specifically, why her?
suspensions are suspensions, but coming in here with a chip on your shoulder is something completely different
 
@skillpatrol that is where you're wrong
 
how so?
please explain
 
10:25 AM
obviously the identity is true, but Kit did not come in here with a chip on her shoulder
please stop flagging that
 
i have NEVER used a flag
 
sorry, I wasn't talking to you
I was talking to the person flagging
 
np, pal
:-)
 
I won't be getting into that other story as can only handle so many issues at a time.
 
so there IS an issue
 
10:27 AM
Right now my issue is that my shit's getting removed again.
Just like that.
 
you need to be more "anally retentive" to hang on to your "shit"
not pointing any fingers :P
me too
Cheerio
The term anal retentive (also anally retentive), commonly abbreviated to anal, is used to describe a person who pays such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, potentially to the detriment of the anal-retentive person. The term derives from Freudian psychoanalysis. == Origins == In Freudian psychology, the anal stage is said to follow the oral stage of infant or early-childhood development. This is a time when an infant's attention moves from oral stimulation to anal stimulation (usually the bowels but occasionally the bladder), usually synchronous with learning...
as opposed to
Anal expulsiveness is the state of a person who exhibits cruelty, emotional outbursts, disorganization, self-confidence, (sometimes) artistic ability, generosity, rebelliousness and general carelessness. Sigmund Freud's psychoanalysis theory claims the anal stage follows the oral stage of infant/early-childhood development. This is a time when an infant's attention moves from oral stimulation to anal stimulation (usually the bowels but occasionally the bladder), usually synchronous with learning to control his or her excretory functions, a time of toilet training. For a child in this stage ...
 
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Many people in this world are stupid and evil, so they flag things they should not flag, without understanding what is happening in this chat.
 
11:23 AM
I see my regularly scheduled comedy show for waking me up in the morning is on hiatus.
 
11:33 AM
@MattE.Эллен Well, he may be wrong in the sense that he's understating the problem. She came in here like this:
Now @Reg is gone too.
> It's the tide. It's the dismal tide.
Hope you're all happy.
All you trolls and vandals and rejects from other rooms. We had a good thing here, and you couldn't stand it. Now it's gone. Let that be on your heads.
 
I don't think Kit looks like Russell Crowe dressed up as a pirate
 
@MattE.Эллен That's Russell Crowe playing Javert from Les Miserables. If you don't get the cultural reference, you could look it up.
 
Aw gee, be nice.
2
Please.
 
It's a little late for that. And I'm not the one who started all this. "I am more sinned against than sinning."
 
11:51 AM
I get that you're angry, but given that you've not had a proper conversation with Kit for a year, I don't believe you when you claim to know her motives. I can't quench your anger, so I won't try, but by a similar token you won't convince me that Kit is out to get you.
 
@Robusto No. No-no-no. Let me ask you a question. When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign out in front of this room that said "Robusto and Cerberus Welcome to Have a Good Thing Going"? You know why you didn't see that sign? Cause it ain't there. Cause welcoming Robustos and Cerberae's ain't our business model.
 
@RegDwigнt What? I wasn't talking about me and Cerberus. I was talking about the room itself. And I was addressing the trolls and vandals who came to sit like vultures and kill anything that moved. Including your posts.
 
2 hours ago, by skill patrol
specifically, why her?
26 mins ago, by Robusto
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@MattE.Эллен Your silence this morning was answer enough, thank you.
 
erects Construction Zone sign
 
12:03 PM
:D
@tchrist how's that^
btw, your heart is on the other side?
 
Since this keeps coming up, though, I will respond. She had the opportunity to apologize to me for unjustly accusing me of forcing a member of ELU to cancel his account. Said member openly disavowed that assertion.
Yet instead of trying to make amends, she openly mocked me. And her first act coming back to this chat—which she left, by the way, apparently because I merely chose not to speak with her—was to administer retribution. If she wanted to have a conversation with me, she could have found another way.
I have not mocked her in chat, reviled her, nor tried to foment any kind of ill will toward her. When people have tried to make this a faction thing, I have squelched those attempts. I have behaved like an adult, and I think I have earned the right to be treated like one.
If you think otherwise, that is on you.
 
I'm sorry I haven't emailed you yet. I'm still tired. I got a bad night's sleep.
 
@MattE.Эллен Who keeps removing Reg's comments?
Grace?
 
Last night I dreamt that a friendly mountain lion had moved in with me. I tried to tell her that this was not a safe place her, but she was happy by my side. I awoke to kitties snuggling me.
 
M lions aren't morning people. They don't really function well till they've had their morning person
 
12:17 PM
2 hours ago, by skill patrol
not pointing any fingers :P
(removed)
2 hours ago, by skill patrol
me too
 
@skillpatrol could be anyone who agrees with the flags
I can't figure if it's possible to see who actioned a flag
 
ok, thanks for trying
 
Was the problem at mos eiseley old grudges expressed in flags?
 
we have grudges with Mos Eisley?
 
Ha ha. Maybe?
 
12:19 PM
@Robusto I had to limit it to the two particulars to match the sign. Get some coffee.
 
Do you realize how many 10k users there are on the network?
 
OVER 9.
 
@Mitch nah, they started talking about US gun control in the wake of the Paris thing
 
Dein 9 is very big today.
 
Oh shit.
 
12:20 PM
@Mitch Careful what you say, flagging in progress.
 
shit
shoot
 
shut
 
Oh scheisse
 
Is that a Noun?
 
Oh mist
 
12:21 PM
Noun of our business
 
Brume.
 
Germinal
 
Our biddiness is where it's at.
We are in Brumaire: I had hundred-mile-an-hour winds yestern.
 
Pfft, tornados. Yesterday I had a hundred leaves gingerly drop towards my lawn but then lightly hop over into my neighbors lawn
 
The jour de jour today is Grenade. Let the hurler beware.
 
12:27 PM
What the hell is a 'Service tree'?
 
Where we get serviceberries from.
 
Oh.
What the hell is a service berry?
 
A rose by any other name.
Amelanchier (/æməˈlænʃɪər/ am-ə-LAN-sheer), also known as shadbush, shadwood or shadblow, serviceberry or sarvisberry, or just sarvis, wild pear, juneberry, saskatoon, sugarplum or wild-plum, and chuckley pear is a genus of about 20 species of deciduous-leaved shrubs and small trees in the Rose family (Rosaceae). Amelanchier is native to temperate regions of the Northern Hemisphere, growing primarily in early successional habitats. It is most diverse taxonomically in North America, especially in the northeastern United States and adjacent southeastern Canada, and at least one species is native...
 
user174558
By the way, it's not a big deal to be suspended from chat. It's quite fun actually, to experience things like that. So the flaggers can flag all they want.
 
It doesn't smell as good as a rose I can tell you that.
 
user174558
12:31 PM
I have been suspended from chat many times. Each time it gets better. I enjoy being suspended.
 
On the first name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
A truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
I can't stand suspenders. Somethings g about them just feels wrong
 
On the second name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree
On the third name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree
On the fourth name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
As a saskatoon, I find that offensive.
 
On the fifth name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
FIVE SERVICEBERRIES!
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
user174558
12:36 PM
Is this a chatbot that posts Christmas songs?
 
@skill: no need to. We have enough men at flag.
 
As an accused chatbot, I find that offensive.
 
user174558
Is that another chatbot that keeps deleting messages?
 
On the sixth name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Six shadblows blowing,
FIVE SERVICEBERRIES!
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
user174558
12:42 PM
Do pears grow on trees? I thought they come from the ground...
 
On the seventh name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Seven shadwoods wooding,
Six shadblows blowing,
FIVE SERVICEBERRIES!
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
Mmm Saskatoons ... Cold and dry on the outside ... Soft and chewy on the inside
 
On the eighth name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Eight shadbushes bushing,
Seven shadwoods wooding,
Six shadblows blowing,
FIVE SERVICEBERRIES!
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
Greetings!
 
On the ninth name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Nine sarvēs serving,
Eight shadbushes bushing,
Seven shadwoods wooding,
Six shadblows blowing,
FIVE SERVICEBERRIES!
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
12:54 PM
Hi!
 
What are you spamming about tonight?
 
user174558
The Christmas bot is still on.
 
It looks like @tchrist is trying not to write a poem. And desperately needs help with it.
 
I like it :D
 
It can't already be dark there, can it?
 
12:55 PM
@tchrist Use this as a bookmarklet to delete any element from the page that you dislike:
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@Mitch we do not discriminate against white bears in this chat. Only brown bears.
 
On the tenth name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Ten wild-plums plumbing,
Nine sarvēs serving,
Eight shadbushes bushing,
Seven shadwoods wooding,
Six shadblows blowing,
FIVE SERVICEBERRIES!
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
But quit the spamming already, pretty please?
 
user174558
Let him express himself.
 
user174558
This chat is too boring without some songs.
 
12:57 PM
@Cerberus hey your pleas didn't work for outsiders, so they won't have to work for regulars.
 
user174558
Only petty quarrels and flags.
 
@RegDwigнt Nevertheless, one has to try! heroïc faces
 
Get rich or try dying.
 
user174558
Aren't we all dying?
 
The nonsmokers certainly are.
 
12:59 PM
The sun at noon is the sun declining. The creature born is the creature dying.
 
user174558
I think smoking should be banned.
 
sobs into coffee
 
I think banning should be smoked.
 
user174558
Smoking is extremely harmful, unlike porn.
 
There once was an old Cerberus
Who took a short ride on a bus
The people were scared
Their lives would be spared
Except for that one guy called Russ
 
user174558
1:00 PM
Now, drinking is rather harmful, so I think it should also be banned.
 
Russ Meyer?
 
On the eleventh name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Eleven juneberries juning,
Ten wild-plums plumbing,
Nine sarvēs serving,
Eight shadbushes bushing,
Seven shadwoods wooding,
Six shadblows blowing,
FIVE SERVICEBERRIES!
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
Jesus Tchrist, how many stanzas are there to this madness.
Just write down the very last one, it will contain all the ones before it.
 
user174558
12
 
user174558
I am surprised by your ignorance.
 
1:01 PM
@RegDwigнt As you requested...
On the twelfth name of Amelanchier,
My true love gave to me:
Twelve sarvisberries bearing,
Eleven juneberries juning,
Ten wild-plums plumbing,
Nine sarvēs serving,
Eight shadbushes bushing,
Seven shadwoods wooding,
Six shadblows blowing,
FIVE SERVICEBERRIES!
Four wild pears,
Three saskatoons,
Two sugarplums,
And a truly tasty chuckley pear tree.
 
Um... Pretty obvious that it's going to end with someone crying
 
See. Now was that that hard.
@JasperLoy whoosh.
 
user174558
'ELU mod doesn't know how many days Christmas has'
 
user174558
Shocking news!
 
@MattE.Эллен There once was an old Cerberus, hitched to a cart. What would he do, struggle or run?
 
1:02 PM
"Jasper does not understand jokes".
No news at all!
 
user174558
LOL
 
Run
 
@Cerberus first and foremost he'd have some Hades for breakfast.
Then and only then would he proceed to planning his day.
 
user174558
I think that since Reg has not been paid to moderate, it's time for him to quit and spend more time with his wife.
 
@Cerberus if he's hitched, he'll do neither, unless it was an arranged marriage...
 
1:05 PM
Hah.
@RegDwigнt Well, naturally. You wouldn't want him to starve, would you?
 
user174558
I am going to take a nap. poof
 
@Robusto This is you and I:
 
@Cerberus I never.
 
We know who's on the cart. What shall we do? We know what the Stoic's only choice is.
 
1 hour ago, by RegDwigнt
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Why, put up this sign.
And all is fine.
 
1:07 PM
Haha where did you find that.
 
In China.
 
"Local Buddhist Radicals Arrested over Nirvana-related Apathy"
 
I wonder what the dog did to be considered as unwanted as the Japanese.
Did he massacre Nanking too?
 
There once was a Cerberus hitched to a cart.
By so many masters, he couldn't depart.
    Should he struggle or run?
    Or join in the fun?
But merriment, I fear, he was loth to compart.
 
In Fenghuang, to be precise.
Large parts of which are preserved in their original state to this day.
Yet it somehow isn't a World Heritage site.
The only thing they've changed is that they use Apple to flush their toilets.
 
1:12 PM
Progress? I think not
 
@RegDwigнt Pommes to warm the cockles of my heart!
 
They have electrical lighting, too.
 
Foxfire.
 
@tchrist Haha. I, compart merriment? Unlikely indeed.
@RegDwigнt Waaah my eyes.
 
1:18 PM
@Cerberus Do not meddle in the affairs of grisards, for you are crunchy and taste good in milk.
 
@RegDwigнt That is fantastic! I want that city.
Let's hope the Chinese won't bulldoze it after all.
 
No they use it for inland tourism.
 
@tchrist Grisards indeed.
 
Which is probably why UNESCO's not heard of it.
There are hordes of tourists but they are all Chinese.
 
They don't want foreign tourists?
Nor dogs?
 
1:19 PM
You nescu you.
 
I don't know myself?
 
China has more tourists touring their own country than other countries have tourists combined.
 
Strangers in a strange land.
 
@Cerberus nah, you are most welcome. It's just that there's no airport or train station or even a highway.
You can only get there by bus.
That sign is from one particular shop by one particular person who happens not to like the things he is listing.
It is not the official city sign or anything.
 
@RegDwigнt Oh. I thought the image was unrelated so I didn't look. But looking now, the sign appears to be in Chinese, not Japanese, though some of the characters are intelligible.
I seem to remember a sign like that from an early Bruce Li film, now that I look at it.
 
1:22 PM
Of course it's not in Japanese. It's also not in Dogean.
Why would it be? They do not want either there.
 
@Cerberus Cognoscente, cognosci te ipsum.
 
@Cerberus I always preferred the Epicurean point of view, myself. λάθε βιώσας. But that has been wrested away.
 
Yeah. I always prefer epic urea over non-epic urea.
 
Avec des fines épices.
 
It's much less cognasty.
@tchrist en attendant God, d'oh.
No wait, that wasn't Unesco. That was Samuel L. Beckham.
My bad.
 
1:28 PM
@RegDwigнt eu atendend’o meu amigo.
 
@RegDwigнt Hmm I might just take that bus.
@tchrist What language is that?
 
@tchrist cuanto cushta uma parazhei por Santana, fash favor.
 
The curfew is over?
Back to normal?
 
@RegDwigнt Maizh qu’tenyazh.
 
@Robusto Eventually the dog-catcher catches up with you and forces you into Stoicism. I'm an Epicurean myself too, but alas.
Now it's work time, valete omnes.
 
1:33 PM
I too must away. Please don't blow up the room this time.
 
@tchrist aish carambash, quesh lagrimash.
 
Tell that to the windmills.
Bai!
 
@tchrist Whom are you addressing with that remark?
 
EVERYONE!
 
EVERYONE is not a person.
 
NARYAONE will listen.
 
At least thus spake the chronicles, son of Adam.
 
You mean the chronic Les?
 
Hmph.
Ray?
 
Hmphrey?
 
1:37 PM
Rey 'n' Blood.
 
Speak the speech, I pray you, as I pronounced it to
you, trippingly on the tongue: but if you mouth it,
as many of your players do, I had as lief the
town-crier spoke my lines.
 
@Robusto so what you're saying is, four legs bad, two legs good?
Y U discrimin8.
 
anyone lived in a pretty how town
(with up so floating many bells down)
spring summer autumn winter
he sang his didn’t he danced his did.

Women and men(both little and small)
cared for anyone not at all
they sowed their isn’t they reaped their same
sun moon stars rain
It goes on from there to tell you how to construct a three-wheeled schooner of beer.
 
Lord. You can imagine where it goes from here.
 
1:52 PM
@Cerberus Wait, what is his only choice? release the dogs?
@Robusto It also looks like they don't care about grammar or meaning in the last two lines
 
Proletarhoi hamai mamlakatho, yak shaved.
 
@RegDwigнt Sputnik carried a dog named after a German camera, not a shaved y ak.
 
Lolwut, you misspelle niksput?
Also, Leih-Car is not a German camera, it's German for "rental car".
Learn German. Schiisch.
 
@RegDwigнt Lehr' mich am Arzt.
 
No Wolf-Walk I'm a Deus in this chat.
 
2:33 PM
A little Deus coop.
 
Everyone likes a little Deus, but noöne likes a smart one.
 
Das ist nicht ein Ding.
 
It's a Ding... it's a Bat... it's Dingbatsman!
 
2:53 PM
@RegDwigнt Das ist ebenso nicht ein Dingbatsmann.
 
Kein. I'd like to introduce you to that concept.
As well as his brother Abel.
 
3:15 PM
@RegDwigнt That would violate the "not a thing" parallel.
クリスマスが近くなってきた。
 
Schließ nicht von Dir auf Andere.
Just because you would like to violate parallels...
@Robusto ゲサンドハイトゥー.
 
@RegDwigнt 物ではないよ。
 
ノ ユ
 
3:41 PM
@RegDwigнt 遠まわしに物を言うな
 
I am the walrus.
 
You're out of your element.
@Robusto take your ateji and go back to your rice country.
 
当て字?
 
エコー?
 
@RegDwigнt いいえ、反響。
 
L'allumeur de réverbères ?
What do little princes have to do with anything, Walter, it's a travesty with you man.
 
@RegDwigнt アメリカは米国ですよ。
 
Arigato for explanato my jokato to meto.
 
ばかばかしいとしか言いようがない。
 
3:58 PM
Ну это, типа, всего лишь твоё мнение, парень.
 
@RegDwigнt Не глупая.
 
What woman?
Or are you using Google Transgender again?
 
Don't be fatuous?
 
Wut.
 
That's what Google sez, and they're never wrong.
 
4:02 PM
It translates "don't be fatuous" as "she's not stupid"?
 
Hahahaha.
Well, see, they're not wrong. She's not stupid.
Only weird.
 
That's what she said.
 
Вам нравится секс, мистер Лебовски?
 
Ви вант зе мани, Лебавски!
 
"Wee SBSTA se mani, Lebowski!"
 
4:04 PM
To me, Google Transgender suggest it's Serbian, and translates to "Wee guys se mani Lebavski !"
Are you using non-Serbian settings?
Are you a Bosnian moslem?
 
@RegDwigнt 公正ではない!
 
These women are bullards, Donny.
 
4:21 PM
ve vant ze mani lebavski
 
4:50 PM
Morning.
@Reg, not sure if you noticed that Rob pinged you from his new room.
 
Huh wha.
No I've not.
I have like a zillion pings today.
 
I'm not surprised. That's why I thought I would mention it to you.
 
And whenever I'd follow one, it's always some person I've never met before, who wants me to address something I've never heard of nor participated in, by doing something that makes no sense to me.
Anyhoo, thanks, but as you all know it's commie-mutie-jelly time for me.
 
Well, neither of those conditions are met in this case.
waves See you.
 
@KitZ.Fox I thought you were at a retreat. I was invested in your outfit.
 
4:57 PM
I am at the retreat. We have a pause before lunch and I have to catch up on emails.
I thought I would stop in and clean up the star wall.
Apparently no one has been doing that in my absence.
 
I've travelled the world and elevensies, everybody is looking for something.
 
@KitZ.Fox My god! It's full of stars!
 
@MετάEd Well, hello to you too.
 
@KitZ.Fox Nice! Retreats can be a load of horseshit. or very useul. or a lot of both in between
 
@KitZ.Fox :-)
 
4:57 PM
I have said nothing.
 
The woman I am traveling with recommended that I drink the kool-aid as soon as I got in the door.
 
@RegDwigнt some of them want to abuse you
 
I figure she's done this before and I can trust her advice.
 
@KitZ.Fox whoa dude. this kool aid tastes funny.
almonds?
 
oh damn. Time to go already. Later.
 
5:29 PM
@KitZ.Fox By cleaning up the star wall you mean removing anything of mine that got starred.
 
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@Robusto No, cleaning items of single stars. You should calm down and have some wine.
 
> This is the smallest amount of power I have ever seen go to anyone's head.
Monday is my five-year anniversary here. Been on the site every single goddamn day. But it looks like it's time to put a period on it.
 
user174558
@Robusto 1823 is the year my high school was founded.
 
@JasperLoy We all know what this is about.
 
user174558
@Robusto I don't mean any disrespect to you, but maybe deleting your account might do you good. You can be so much happier offline. You have a wife, you have children, you have a life. I have no life, so I hang out here.
 
5:41 PM
@JasperLoy Also no disrespect, but you don't know anything about me.
 
No disrespect to dead animals, but I'm starving for a BBQ
or an Israeli falafel. not these stupid lettuce and tomato and old falafel balls (an FLT).
... but with a buffet display of fixin's, eggplant and olives and feta and cole slaw and shredded beets and .. the list goes on. sure put lettuce on it, but you're putting me to sleep, what with all the actually -good- things to put on it.
 
user174558
@Robusto Well, maybe Kit doesn't like you personally currently, maybe, but that doesn't mean she is abusing her mod powers. I think the things she has done recently is reasonable.
 
user174558
It's just removing two people as room owners whom she thinks is not moderating chat. Is that a bomb?
 
user174558
You can't say she is picking on you after not being in chat for a year and returning just to do some moderation.
 
user174558
Also, you might think that I am taking sides because I am on good terms with her, but I try my best to be neutral and to make peace.
 
6:05 PM
Nobody likes anybody else in Israel either, but everyone loves falafel!
 
user174558
I do not like falafel, and I have not been to Israel and I never will.
 

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