The Nineteenth Byte

Ah, for a few minutes, let us appreciate the 1-2-3-4 stars on the star board...

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ There are so many things missing from TI-BASIC it isn't even funny.

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@El'endiaStarman ain't nobody got time fo dat

Empty string support, string operations like multiplication, case change, trim whitespace, convert number to string

@Doorknob I frequently break the 50 characters thing... :P

3:01 AM

@ThomasKwa So true. They knew it was going to be used for programming (by adding the sub( command, for one example), but failed to add anything relatively useful. Want to do calculus? Sure, we can do that! Want to convert a number to a string? You need thirty bytes.

Base conversion, prime support, complex number comparison using <>≤≥

Anonymous

Ooh case changing

Complex number trig

Anonymous

> complex number comparison using <>≤≥

Anonymous

ಠ_ಠ

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3:02 AM

Um, empty lists, a fold operator

@El'endiaStarman Vim is automatically set up to slap you when you do that, so I almost always avoid it :P

@Doorknob Lolz. I do it from Window's command line, so....eh.... :P

@Mego max( and min( can compare using absolute value, but comparison operators can't.

@El'endiaStarman so... your commit messages are only one line? no extended description? D:

A replicate operator like APL's /

Anonymous

3:03 AM

@ThomasKwa Then it's max and min that are broken

@Doorknob No, no extended description.

Anonymous

There is no well-defined ordering for complex numbers

TanMath

hello?

Anonymous

world

@Mego Tell that to isaacg

3:04 AM

@TanMath hi? (maybe)

@TanMath What were you expecting? An empty room? :P

From the Pyth documentation: "< 2 N less-than Less than, subset, slice. < seq num is seq[:num]. < num seq is seq[:-num]. Compare by magnitude on complex."

More than 10 string variables...

Well, there are, technically. Nevermind.

And they're all two bytes long

Anonymous

Complex number

A complex number is a number that can be expressed in the form a + bi, where a and b are real numbers and i is the imaginary unit, that satisfies the equation i2 = −1. In this expression, a is the real part and b is the imaginary part of the complex number. Complex numbers extend the concept of the one-dimensional number line to the two-dimensional complex plane by using the horizontal axis for the real part and the vertical axis for the imaginary part. The complex number a + bi can be identified with the point (a, b) in the complex plane. A complex number whose real part is zero is said to be...

3:05 AM

@ThomasKwa that sucks too >_<

Anonymous

(click the link)

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> case change, trim whitespace, base conversion

Anonymous

Remind me to add those

@Mego I see no problem with a lack of antisymmetry.

In a golfing language, anyway

Anonymous

Hmm?

3:07 AM

I like how Python needs key=abs in its max(, though.

I clicked on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_order which was linked from the complex number page

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa What do you mean by this?

Also missing from TI-BASIC: Nested lists, bigints (even more than 14 digits of precision would help), ability to support lists longer than 999 elts or strings longer than 9999

Anonymous

Seriously has all that :)

@Mego Antisymmetry apparently means a≤b and a≥b iff a=b

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa I don't see why that would ever be an issue

Anonymous

3:10 AM

That should be expected behavior

Right, and 1≠i where 1≥i and 1≤i if you compare by absolute value

That's why it might be a problem, but as long as it's understood that complex numbers are being compared I don't have a problem

1≥i and 1≤i? I guess I haven't studied complex numbers well enough...

> if you compare by absolute value

Anonymous

And that is exactly why complex numbers shouldn't be compared

@Mego I'm not saying we should do this in math

Anonymous

3:12 AM

abs(z) = sqrt(Re(z)**2 + Im(z)**2)

just in code golf

@ETHproductions Don't worry, the ≥ they mean here is not your usual meaning of ≥ :P

Oh

I guess I don't have to worry, since JS doesn't support imaginary numbers

Maths is all about making stuff up. Like "let A = B if A and B have a digit in common". Now 12 = 2 = 24 and 57 = 150. But then you go 2 + 2 and someone asks "what's a plus?"

Yep. It's all in your head.

3:15 AM

@Sp3000 ...just went through the equivalence relation checklist in my head... :P

Don't worry, it's not transitive :P

lol

...now I'm thinking on how to make it transitive...

A = B if A, B consist of the same digits, I guess

Wait, if the someone doesn't know what a plus is, shouldn't they not know that "plus" = "+"?

1 = 10000 @Sp3000

3:17 AM

i = undefined

@Sp3000 Yyyes, that should work. 1234 = 1234243412 = 4321.

(also, this is where someone would point out "you probably shouldn't use = here, that's just bad notation")

@Mego Your 'generate cp437' thing on your online interpreter isn't working for me

@Sp3000 = PS3

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa Not surprised, I'm pretty sure I broke it while trying to refactor it

Anonymous

3:22 AM

Does it just not add anything to the code?

No, the window doesn't show up at all

Anonymous

Oh boy, even worse

Anonymous

Just pushed a fix

Anonymous

Plus added string formatting commands and base conversion

Thanks!

I like Seriously so far.

Anonymous

3:28 AM

Thanks for letting me know

such aww

very sleep

Anonymous

BTW, if anyone finds a bug in Seriously and I'm not around, go ahead and submit it to the issue tracker

@Mego Seriously, why would I do that?

Anonymous

@TheDoctor Because I'll slap you with a trout if you don't

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa be cool, self uhh thanks

3:30 AM

issue: not a very good language

Anonymous

@TheDoctor issue: not a very good person

:(

Anonymous

good boy, though

wags tail

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this is my monster

Anonymous

3:35 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Does that now make 3?

@Mego Three what?

Monsters?

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Programming languages. So, yes, monsters.

@Mego Released programming languages?

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Sure

@Mego This makes three, yes.

Anonymous

3:38 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Seriously?

@Mego Indeed ^_^

that joke is becoming worn out very, very quickly :P

Anonymous

@Doorknob Says you. You don't have to deal with it on every single answer you submit

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maaaybe that wasn't the best choice for a language name

Anonymous

maaaybe it was the perfect choice

3:43 AM

@Mego Is there a variable or something that initializes to input?

Anonymous

maybe it's maybelline

I know getting input is ,

Anonymous

Not other than ,

Okay

Anonymous

No variables, all stack

3:44 AM

You may want to use variables

Anonymous

I purposefully avoided variables

Anonymous

The design of the language is all stack and commands

Anonymous

(and literals)

I've seen many a CJam program that has like four @ and \; it's quite a waste.

There goes my vote allowance.

3:46 AM

I think without any variables you'll find yourself spending even more bytes.

port scanner mayhem:

10.0.1.25 21 : 220 Welcome to FTP, gangsta!

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa Maybe. I might eventually add a few, but for the time being, I'm sticking with my pure-stack approach

Goodnight everyone.

Anonymous

Peace out scout

Good night!

Anonymous

3:50 AM

Hey Dennis is here

Anonymous

Good news everyone! We can get beaten at challenges now!

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:P

Lol. G'night!

I did a thing today: shapescript.tryitonline.net

^ nice!

Anonymous

3:52 AM

@Dennis Is tryitonline your website?

Cool!

@Mego Yes.

Anonymous

Neat

So far, it only has a ShapeScript interpreter, but I'm planning to add a few more.

Anonymous

Heroku's automatic pull-deploy-build chain for GitHub is awesome

3:54 AM

@Dennis dns error

and my shit roomate is turning off wifi

peice out peopel

Anonymous

Bye Geobits

Geobits?

Anonymous

If I had to remember to manually deploy on Heroku, the web app would probably still be at like v0.2

... Goodbye, mortals.

Anonymous

3:55 AM

@Dennis Everyone knows @Seadrus is a @Geobits sock

@TheDoctor Huh? I changed the DNS records hours ago. I should work fine.

it is now

weird

@Mego Everyone except for me

@Mego Everybody is wrong.

/me googles "sideways text generator" and fails to find one

/me is sad

3:56 AM

One of the biggest reasons I use Git is in fact to make it really easy to deploy changes to the code.

Anonymous

git commit -am "some stupid commit message" && git push

Pretty much.

Anonymous

I need to get working on The Back Nine

Anonymous

I thought of a few cleverly awful ways to make it hard

That's why I've made those mistakes in posting localhost links: I test my code on my computer, then when it works, I get excited and post the link...

When I should push the code and link from the public side...

4:05 AM

@Mego Were you planning for [list][num]- to do something? It currently does nothing for me.

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa I haven't decided yet

Anonymous

I've been playing with the idea of making it element-wise subtraction, like + is for addition

Also, can my answer be golfed down any?

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A: Square side pinpointing

Seriously, 11 bytes A port of my TI-BASIC answer. Calculates mean(input)+i*(input-mean(input)) ,;Σ½;)±+ï*+ Input as a list of two complex numbers: [1-1j,4+2j], and output in the same format: [(4-1j), (1+2j)].

@ThomasKwa ....you...uh...outgolfed Seriously's creator. o_o

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa :(

Anonymous

4:10 AM

Actually I'm happy that I'm not the only one using the language

@Mego He picked yours before mine... :'(

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa You can use î instead of ï*

Seriously just outgolfed TI-BASIC, Pyth, CJam and APL. O_o

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Anonymous

@Dennis yay I did good

feersum

The age of 256-char languages finally dawns.

4:18 AM

It was only a matter of time.

GS2 was the first, I think.

feersum

Nobody uses that though.

And a lot of them are joke commands.

Ahem.

Anonymous

I only have 3 joke commands!