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Anonymous
7:04 AM
@El'endiaStarman I can't figure out how :/
 
Anonymous
It's worth noting that basically every Pancake Stack command (with the exception of the label commands) is translatable to 2-3 Seriously commands
 
Anonymous
So it may be easier to conceptualize in a terser language :P
 
Well, yeah, if/when I make the challenge, I'll make all of the commands one letter.
All the relevant ones, that is.
Input and output don't matter for this task.
 
grc
@El'endiaStarman are you sure that's true?
 
> Pancake Stack is Turing complete assuming stack values are unbounded, as it can easily simulate a two-register Minsky machine using the top two stack values as registers.
> Alternatively, if stack values are bounded, then Pancake Stack is not Turing complete, as it can be simulated by a push-down automaton. Some trick is needed to support incrementing/decrementing all values simultaneously, e.g. one could keep track of a separate value (in the automaton state) to be implicitly added to all stack values.
 
grc
7:09 AM
I mean that it's turing completeness implies that rotating three elements is possible
 
hmm
Aren't Turing complete machines/languages able to simulate the whole universe?
(Which is Awesome but Impractical, yes, but still...)
 
grc
so it could simulate a stack where rotating the top 3 elements is possible
 
I guess so.
 
grc
but I don't think that necessarily means you can do it with the built-in stack
 
hmm
What about copying over stack values?
Or maybe input would be required.
 
grc
7:16 AM
what do you mean?
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman flags TvTropes link as offensive
 
How is that offensive?!? I mean, sure, it'll suck all productivity out of your life, but that's not offensive!
 
Anonymous
Runtime input is not required for TC - you can get by with hardcoding input
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman I was joking :P
 
I know. :)
 
Anonymous
7:18 AM
So the IO ops are unnecessary
 
@grc If it's not possible to do it with the built-in stack, and it's not possible to copy over values from the stack, then perhaps it can be done with input.
 
Anonymous
I can easily do it with input:
 
Anonymous
Output this string: hey, user, input these three values, in the order 2nd, 3rd, 1st:
 
Anonymous
Then output top 3 pancakes
 
Anonymous
Boom done
 
7:20 AM
ah
 
Anonymous
But relying on user input is cheating
 
Input as in "input the stack exactly in the order it's in".
 
Anonymous
Therefore it must be possible without I/O commands
 
grc
it's easy if you can execute commands between each input
 
Anonymous
7:35 AM
Wake me up if there's a bug in Seriously or you guys figure out the pancake problem
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

EridanCode Billiards Unlike code golf (going for the shortest program possible) or code bowling (the longest possible), I came up with code billiards, where the user would have a number of tasks to write programs for (all in one language). The goal would be to minimize the Kolmogorov complexity betwee...

 
7:54 AM
@Dennis You should add a Vitsy interpreter on your site. c;
Also - I've decided to focus on three languages: AppleScript, Vitsy, and Minecraft. These are the languages I've done best with.
 
8:19 AM
A one instruction set computer (OISC), sometimes called an ultimate reduced instruction set computer (URISC), is an abstract machine that uses only one instruction – obviating the need for a machine language opcode. With a judicious choice for the single instruction and given infinite resources, an OISC is capable of being a universal computer in the same manner as traditional computers that have multiple instructions. OISCs have been recommended as aids in teaching computer architecture and have been used as computational models in structural computing research. == Machine architecture == In a...
It's amazing that these exist.
 
@VoteToClose there is a language called Minecraft?
 
Yes - it's the game, MineCraft, using command blocks and logic gates.
 
@VoteToClose oh... Like building minecraft computers? That is hard.. have you built one?
 
8:32 AM
@MartinBüttner I have fixed the code:
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

TanMathSquares of squares Premise One night, I was just contemplating on numbers. I found out about something unique about numbers like 7, 10, 12, 13, and more. They are squares of squares! Meaning, that when squared, are comprised of squares themselves. The OEIS calls them Squares which are a decimal...

I haven't run it just yet...
 
@TanMath Just logic gates and stuff. I'll link in an answer of mine.
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A: Implement a Truth Machine

VoteToCloseMinecraft, 18 Bytes (MC Version 15w45a) As you can see, there is a lever directed into the repeating command block, which has the command say 1 in it. There is an signal inverting torch on top of that, which directs power into the single-run command block with the command say 0 in it. Wheneve...

 
@VoteToClose cool!
@MartinBüttner ok. so the code just keeps running. but nothing has happened (using ideone)...
 
8:52 AM
How do you even multiply the top two elements of the stack with Pancake Stack?
 
@El'endiaStarman Haven't tried, but probably something silly like repeated repeated increment
 
@Sp3000 That's what I thought of, but you can't specify how many times a loop runs.
 
You can decrement the top of the stack, right?
 
yup
(And increment as well.)
You can also decrement and increment the whole stack.
You can only make the decision on whether to jump to a label or not based on the top of the stack.
You have duplicate, swap, pop, add, and subtract.
 
Then you can do at least one set of loops with the top of the stack... not sure about 2 though, don't have access to a computer atm
Might not need 2 with add
 
grc
9:02 AM
the problem is that you only have easy access to the top two values on the stack
 
hello!
goodbye!
 
@TanMath I think it's because you've indented i=i+1
you can also make code much faster by checking if r(i*i, str(i*i)) and then returning i itself instead of sqrt(i).
 
@MartinBüttner true.. but it really doesn't matter...
 
Okay, I've kinda figured out how to add A and B without losing them.
 
still doesn't wrok...
oh well, i will solve it tomorrow!
 
9:10 AM
Push 0, swap, increment rest of stack while decrementing top until zero?
 
...that's way simpler than what I was thinking.
A, B (start)
A, B, 0 (push 0)
A, 0, B (swap)
loop until top is 0 {
A+1, 1, B-1 (increment all once, decrement top twice)
}
A+B, B
Now, how do we leverage this to get A+A, B?
 
grc
A+A, B is easy, but then you lose A
 
So now the question is, how do we do A+A+A?
 
grc
I'm beginning to doubt whether this is actually turing complete...
 
yeah...
Ha, first four items on the star board have exactly five stars each. :P
 
grc
9:17 AM
fixed
 
.... :(
 
grc
star it again to get 5 5s
 
I've already starred all four!
I could unstar the other three, but that's a bit unjust...
Anyway, actually, there is a way to get 3A.
A (start)
A, A, A (duplicate twice)
A, 2A (add)
A, 2A, 2A (duplicate)
A, 4A (add)
4A, A (swap)
3A (subtract)
 
grc
why not just (duplicate, add, add)?
 
....um....
'cause overcomplication is better? >_>
 
grc
9:21 AM
:D
 
Yeah, that's far simpler.
 
grc
but I'm pretty sure you can't multiply :(
 
> A Minsky machine is basically a finite-state automaton with access to a number of unbounded registers or counters. These registers can be thought of as monosymbolic stacks (i.e. stacks of all the same symbol.) Two operations are available on each register: 1) increment it; and 2) decrement it unless it is zero, in which case follow an alternate state transition.
> Minsky machines with two or more registers have been shown to be in the same computational class as Turing machines. Because of this, and because of their simplicity, they can be used to prove several esoteric programming langua
 
If Pancake Stack had decent I/O, I'd consider using it for more challenges tbh :/
But yeah I've never tried the 2 number Minksy thing myself, so I'm curious how that'd go
 
so in Python, I have a list of unknown length, and I want a slice of every k-th element so that the i-th to last element is included
i haven't found a non-horrible way to do this
 
9:30 AM
Example?
 
Well, I posted that really more to show that the claim of Turing completeness on the Pancake Stack esolangs page is, well, valid. So there must be a way to multiply the top two numbers of a stack.
 
grc
*turing complete with a caveat
 
@Sp3000 say l=[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9] and I want every 3rd element, including the second-to last one, giving [2, 5, 8]
k=3, i=2
actually, i=1 since i'm zero-indexing
one way would be reverse, do [i::k], then reverse again
 
l[~i::-k][::-1]?
That's probably the problem you're pointing out, isn't it :/
 
yes, that's the best I have now
 
9:35 AM
([0]+z)[::3][1:]
Aww, that's no better.
 
Hm...
 
z[i:][::k]
 
that's z[i::k], and takes the i-th element from the start, not the end
binary expansions really are more mathematically natural if written backwards
 
Well, it gives the result you want with the example you gave, so I still don't understand.
 
let's take k=7 instead
 
9:41 AM
Hmm keeping the nth last from the end is pretty unusual - what's this for?
 
2
A: Enumerating N-Dimensional Vectors

xnorPython 2, 62 lambda z,k:[int('0'+bin(z)[~i:1:-k][::-1],2)for i in range(k)] This code is ugly and golfable, but the idea is very simple. Pack k binary expansions into one by reading every kth digit with different offsets. For example, with k=3, the input 357 maps to (3,0,7): 101100101 <- ...

I'd like every kth digit from a binary expansion
 
@grc ....AH....WELL THEN.
Okay, what's a good way to say "this language can actually do something non-trivial and naturally"?
 
@Sp3000 actually, i just thought of a totally different implementation
 
Oh?
 
it doesn't work
def g(z,k):
 l=[0]*k
 while z:l=l[1:]+[l[0]*2+z%2];z/=2
 return l
the number of rotations is not always a multiples of k
 
9:49 AM
hi al
 
who is Al?
 
@MartinBüttner Al. Hi Al
 
ok betty
 
how would you make a random 6 character string in python?
 
9:55 AM
from what set of characters?
are you looking for golfed or well-coded?
 
what's the difference ?
 
@xnor well coded!
just ascii + digits
I tried
random = ''.join([random.choice(string.ascii_letters + string.digits) for n in xrange(6)])
doesn't quite work
 
what goes wrong?
 
hmm
some oddity..2 secs
 
@Lembik That looks fine. Do you want avoid duplicates?
 
9:59 AM
sorry it was just python weirdness. or more accurately total lack of error checking
I had used a module name as a variable
but of course it didn't tell me anything was wrong
all fine now :)
@Calvin'sHobbies avoiding duplicates would be good
but actually I need to made a hash table I think
 
How about x = ''.join(random.sample(string.ascii_letters + string.digits, 6))
 
even better!
thanks
 
10:21 AM
@MartinBüttner What version/interpreter for Ruby do I need to run brianchuck?
 
@feersum Not Martin, but I have 2.1.5 and it works for me
 
Are we getting more unanswered questions? Of the 104 I count that 2 are from 2012, 6 from 2013, 17 from 2014, and 79 from 2015. It's nearly the end of 2015, are these rates normal? (cc mods @MartinBüttner @Doorknob @Dennis @AlexA.)
I know the older questions have had way more time to be answered and our question rate may be increasing, but still.
 
I think its just the same (or somewhat similar) percentage if you stack it up against incoming questions
 
Are we really getting 7.9 per day o.O
Does that include closed ones?
 
10:41 AM
I think so.
we were getting 8.5 too
 
Why don't more interpreters have a maximum memory option like -Xmx in Java?
@Sp3000 Seems to work so far, thanks
 
10:58 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies a) As Optimizer said, we're getting a lot more questions these days. b) Older questions have had more time to get a late answer after a while.
@feersum Do you want to beat my cat program? ;)
 
I'm testing the answers to unusable language.
 
ah, right
 
11:21 AM
Anybody know why this question was down voted?
 
What happened to weshouldblamedoorknob.tk?
 
11:41 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Christian IrwanCompile regexes Your task is to compile regexes. Regexes. The regexes support these REGEX = (LITERAL REGEX / GROUP REGEX / LITERAL STAR REGEX / GROUP STAR REGEX / ALTERNATIVE) STAR = REGEX '*' GROUP = '(' REGEX ')' LITERAL = 1 / 0 ALTERNATIVE = REGEX '|' REGEX Why onl...

 
11:59 AM
o-o Exact opposites.
 
upvotes in that questions are upvoting the negativity, so its -15 only :P
 
O.o How does that work?
 
magic
 
o-o I think I know who upvoted this...
 
12:20 PM
?
 
12:34 PM
Golf tips questions elsewhere on SE:
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Q: How can I minimise the code needed to run this custom function?

IcyIcyIceI'd like to shorten one of my scripts and I got na idea but I dont know how to do that. Have a piece of code like this: COMMAND="find /etc -type " case $1: "directory") $COMMAND d ;; esac Of course this is the short version :) And now I want to be able to shorten it, not towrite that $COMMAN...

 
noobs
 
@VoteToClose Seems a Little Vauge in what its asking. But I agree not sure what the downvotes are for.
 
1:34 PM
Wello people
 
2:16 PM
He-wub-wub-wub-wub-wub-wo my Sock!
 
This is probably the most heavily golfed Brian & Chuck program to date:
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A: Implement a Truth Machine

Martin BüttnerBrian & Chuck, 21 bytes ,}<-{-?<SOH>_{+? _>+{?<.p Here, <SOH> should be replaced with the corresponding control character (0x01). Explanation The basic idea is to subtract the character code of the input (48 or 49) from the p at the end of Chuck, which will either give a ? (which is a valid ...

 
Why didn't you name it Chunky and the Brain ?
 
because I didn't
 
-1
 
(I can't give out downvotes just yet...sucks)
 
2:41 PM
@Stefnotch You can still link to things here if you feel other people may be interested in downvoting...
 
@trichoplax
LOL! That sounds like a really good/bad idea!
So, this seems like something you might want to downvote: http://computergraphics.stackexchange.com/questions/203/are-there-common-materials-that-arent-represented-well-by-rgb
 
@Stefnotch Hmm, for some reason it won't let me :P
 
I tried to expand the votes. -.-
@Mego Your language is Seriously awesome. c: Can you add some tutorial docs/example usage to the github page?
 
3:06 PM
@MartinBüttner "read a single character from STDIN and push its byte value. Pushes -1 once EOF is reached."
How should I implement the input? (prompt() or <textarea>) Does the input get "deleted" after reading from it?
 
the best option would be to provide a text area (which has to be filled before the program runs) and then read characters from it if requested.
like cjam.aditsu.net does
 
@MartinBüttner Ok! (Great, I don't have to change anything! :D )
I would need some variable that keeps track of which characters have been read, right? (Or I could read all of them at the beginning, store them in a variable...)
 
yes, store it as one large string in a variable, and then keep track of some sort of "input pointer" (starting at 0) which you increment as you move through the input
 
@MartinBüttner Ok! :D
 
btw, when you implement . (character output) please take the integer modulo 256 before converting it to a character (and use proper modulo, such that -1 becomes 255). that isn't in the language spec or the reference interpreter yet, but I'm going to change that soon.
 
3:15 PM
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Q: Get The Getters

insertusernamehereThe Task I guess everybody loves automatic code generation and saving some time during work. You have to create a lot of classes and members during the day and you don't want to create all those getters manually. The task is to write a program or function, that generates getters for all class m...

 
@MartinBüttner So, the built in Javascript modulo wouldn't work?
 
no unfortunately not
(Labyrinth's own % expects modulo to work like that as well btw)
 
& 255 works
 
yeah, but only for mod 256
 
Unless Javascript is wrong in some way I cannot even imagine.
 
3:19 PM
it's best if you write your own mod
function mod(x,y) { return ((x%y)+y)%y; } or something like that
 
Eh, what is wrong with feersum's method?
 
it doesn't work for numbers that aren't powers of 2
 
It will introduce a subtle bug because on leap days 256 is not a power of 2.
 
@feersum as I said, Labyrinth has its own % operator (which of course can be used on any two numbers)
 
Ok......
 
3:21 PM
What does it do if the modulus is negatiev?
 
having a "proper" modulo is also useful for wrapping around the grid (which you'll need for ><^v)
 
So, the % should also use that function?
 
@feersum I assume you meant "modulo", but I'm not sure which number in x % y = z you're referring to.
@Stefnotch yes
 
Why do the images not update immediately? :I
 
y is the modulus.
 
3:23 PM
@feersum 5 % -3 == -1
@feersum I wasn't aware it's called that, I just know it as "divisor".
basically, the sign of the result should depend on the sign of the divisor, not the dividend
 
@Sp3000 :@ or :@@ might worth its own operator if you will have spare ones left
for the vote simulator I have iEhd%2-:@=?0 for 12 bytes
 
When you find out your code hasn't been working because you never built it.
 
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Q: Three mutual quines

ZgarbThe task In this challenge, your task is to write three programs that form a kind of mutual quine-like system. Let's call the programs A, B and C. If one of the programs is given the source of another program as input, it shall output the source of the third program. For example, if A is given B...

 
3:47 PM
So yesterday I started working on a functional C++ template language
 
people work on golfing languages here. And here you are..
 
The whole program will be run by the C++ compiler.
@Optimizer This is an esolang
I'm hoping to be able to abuse template templates to create lambdas by descending the tree of types and replacing the arguments with their values.
The entire program will be a single typename.
 
I'm glad brainfuck has a reputation for being way more difficult to use than it actually is so that when I answer easy challenges with it I get rep for free
3
 
but will it be a golfing esolang?
 
It's not going to have 1-letter commands.
Mostly 2 or 3 letters.
 
3:50 PM
@undergroundmonorail The name is very misleading.
 
@undergroundmonorail So. Many. Mismatched. Symbols. twitch
 
i've never thought of it before but i guess it's annoying that < and > and aren't used as brackets so there's no need to make sure they're nested properly and everything
 
Too much coding in HTML in my formative years, is what I suspect for why I have an issue with it.
 
I recommend aversion therapy. Write a BF/HTML polyglot
 
you can tell i've been doing a lot of bf lately because my reaction to that was "bf code that's also valid HTML? How horrifying!!"
rather than the other way around
 
4:01 PM
@undergroundmonorail I wouldn't worry too much. You haven't taken it too far until English starts to look horrifying
 
After this answer was posted, Mego added æ for list mean, and caused î (multiply-by-i) to vectorize, allowing a non-competing 9-byte solution. Seriously is starting to become a seriously good language. — Thomas Kwa 11 hours ago
If only people talked about Rotor like that ;_;
 
//</b><span class="+++[-" >Half Life 3 </span><b hidden>+++</b> <b hidden class = "]">+.</b> <b hidden class = "+++++++++[-">---------</b> <b hidden class ="]">--.</b> </body>

^^A brainfuck/HTML/JS polygot!
 
@Stefnotch You fell off the tape on the first instruction.
 
OH, messed up:
"<body id='>++++++++++[-' ><b hidden>++++++++++</b><b hidden id=']'> "; var x = "+++++.";
alert(' confirmed!"By A Trustworthy Person');


//</b><span class="+++[-" >Half Life 3 </span><b hidden>+++</b> <b hidden class = "]">+.</b> <b hidden class = "+++++++++[-">---------</b> <b hidden class ="]">--.</b> </body>
 
4:02 PM
i have used one interpreter in my whole life that lets you fall off the tape
usually it loops or is infinite in both directions
 
(This is what I get for not documenting my old code)
 
You should stop documenting things completely
 
@Optimizer To save bytes on my hard disk and to optimize the performance of the PC?
 
no. for the lulz
 
LOL! That is a horrible reason! Think up a good reason so I can convince my teacher! :P
 
4:09 PM
nothing can convince teachers.
 
my programming teacher in high school was cool enough to tell us "no one ever actually does this, but it's in the curriculum so do it on your assignments. sorry."
2
 
well, he lied.
 
@Optimizer
Wait, wouldn't that create a paradox because everything a teacher says is true.
 
that's also a lie
 
4:14 PM
My chemistry teacher said that if you eat peanut butter from a spoon, you could get peanut butter in your alveoli and die from suffocation.
 
So, statistically speaking, a teacher always lies?
 
no
from my experience, its you who has been always lying...
 
Good evening
 
Apples are apples.
And, hi!
 
oo, I just thought of a challenge!
 
4:22 PM
user image
5
 
/o\
Hahaha.
 
@Stefnotch Hello!
 
Would a plagiarism challenge be a good idea?
e.g.:
Task: blabla
Twist:
All of your code must come from answers to other challenges, none of it may be written by you. You have to plagiarize at least 10 bytes per plagiarized answer. You may plagiarize as many answers as you want and add them to your program.
(Please provide links to the answers where you got your code from.)
Hi!
 
too easy
 
@Stefnotch I think that's been done already, or some variant of it.
 
4:25 PM
Similar has been done
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Q: Duct tape can fix anything

asteriOverview This challenge was inspired by this StackOverflow Meta post. In it, @hakre says: I've seen a project really written by Stackoverflow (a noob copies together from SO here and SO there), attribution normally never is done which results in rights termination under CC. (sic) Your mis...

 
Evening non cats
 
Wow, so many things were done already... :D
 
its not the 19th century ;)
 
:D That's true....
 
or is it?
The phantom time hypothesis is a historical conspiracy theory advanced by German historian and publisher Heribert Illig (born 1947) which proposes that the Anno Domini dating system was fabricated, adding in a period of "phantom time" in the Early Middle Ages, from AD 614 to 911. According to the hypothesis, events dated to this period in Europe and neighbouring regions either occurred in a different period, or did not occur at all. == Explanation of the hypothesisEdit == The hypothesis suggests a conspiracy by the Holy Roman Emperor Otto III, Pope Sylvester II, and possibly the Byzantine Emperor...
 
4:28 PM
wow
 
Grar! My image still hasn't changed.
 
@Stefnotch What you do is have the other answers summed byte count be your byte count, even though it'd be larger than whats plagiarized.
 
I changed it two hours ago.
 
Go ask Alex
 
Patience my young padawan
 
4:38 PM
@Calvin'sHobbies "One pill makes you taller, and one pill makes you small ..."
2
 
@BadCatEye Since when did you become a Jedi?
 
@TimmyD Brilliant XD
@ΚριτικσιΛίθος One does not simply become a Jedi
 
You are, or you are not. There is no "become."
 
@TimmyD "And the ones that are shaped like 'ಠ' don't do anything at all ..."
 
Maybe the force quack with you.
 
4:39 PM
 
@Calvin'sHobbies What?
 
@TimmyD oh hey are we talking about the binding of isaac
Kappa
 
@Stefnotch Makes it more interesting than just copying the code. Total score is total byte count in all answers copied from.
 
4:41 PM
@undergroundmonorail Dank Depths.
 
@AlexA. Profile update for @VoteToClose with a side of fries
 
Mmm pi
 
mew
 
@Calvin'sHobbies \o/
 
@trichoplax PhiNotPi
 
4:42 PM
@Calvin'sHobbies So, I should post that challenge after all? What task would you suggest?
 
Yeah. That's better.
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Your order has arrived :)
 
@trichoplax Thanks, breh.
 
@Optimizer I set that one up by accident :)
 
@trichoplax No fries? Lies!
 
4:43 PM
:)
profile update with a side of lies
4
 
@undergroundmonorail I've not played the game. I was referencing "White Rabbit"
 
@trichoplax you must be a teacher!
 
no comment...
Um, OK...
 
Dark sarcasm... in the classroom... ಠ_ಠ
 
4:45 PM
@TimmyD I figured it wasn't an actual reference but in the new expansion they added new pills you can take called "One Makes You [Large|Small]" which makes you slightly larger or smaller depending on the name
 
Specifically
 
@undergroundmonorail Which is in and of itself a reference.
 
It's all referencing Alice in Wonderland
 
That makes sense
 
@VoteToClose What's this? The laddy reckons himself a poet!
 
4:46 PM
-1
Q: Code Billiards (Kolmogorov golf)

EridanYou must use one language to write programs that perform the following nine tasks, in any order. Convert an inputted number from base 10 to base 36 Sample input: 1000 Sample output: RS (output must be upper case) Convert each character in a string to its base 10 decimal ASCII codes and print...

 
There are a lot of references to a lot of things in BOI
 
@BadCatEye Dost thou even hoist?
 
How is "Wonderlang" not an esolang?
 
Anybody else hyped about Fallout 4? :D
 
I'm like indirectly hyped
 
4:48 PM
Fallout -15 for me
 
It's not a series I'm a huge fan of playing myself, but someone who I like to watch play them is starting a Fallout 4 series
 
@Calvin'sHobbies http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/duct-tape-coding?sort=newest&pageSize=15
Looks like there isn't a single code golf question among them..
 
I've played every single canon Fallout game.
fangirls
 
why do you always say fangirls?
and not fanboys?
 
@Optimizer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
4:50 PM
@Stefnotch Yes, duct-tape-coding definitely has possibilities. But I'm not here to write challenges for you ;)
 
I'm very shrill when I hype?
 
I've only played Fallout 2, but I remember liking it.
 
every game after fallout 2 is basically unrelated
 
Fallout 2 was only beaten by Fallout Tactics. :D
 
they take place in the same world but the gameplay is nothing like the first ones
 
4:51 PM
^ This is true not Alex.
 
That's what I've heard.
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Ok, going to write a question when I have time! :D Thanks for encouraging me!
 

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