The Nineteenth Byte

oh, lol

@El'endiaStarman ohh

Still, that's an appreciable number!

Anonymous

Yeah, not bad considering I got that number in high school

Anonymous

9:02 PM

When I only knew C++

nice! :D

For the record, I did try to learn C++ and Java (and learned some TI-BASIC) before Blitz 2D/3D. But I didn't do particularly much with those.

Anonymous

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Q: Six very simple challenges

You're challenge is to write 6 different full programs for the 6 following tasks: Print Hello, World! Calculate the sum of all the multiples of 3 or 5 from 1 to 999, (the answer is 233168, you may not directly output the answer) Given an input with STDIN, output the factorial Give th...

code-golf

Anonymous

So what do we do when a challenge is basically a 5x dupe?

9:04 PM

@ThomasKwa sounds good!

@Mego Well, there IS a catch...

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman A catch with a soft enforcement

But yeah, other than that, it's definitely a multi-dupe.

@Mego Very true.

Anonymous

The answers will just be the same answers from the previous challenges, with larger scores

@El'endiaStarman LEARN TI-BASIC.

9:05 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I DID.

@El'endiaStarman `LEARN TI-BASIC BETTER

(I TALK LIKE THIS WHEN TALKING ABOUT TI-BASIC BTW)

Learning TI-Basic is a chunk of your life you'll never get back.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Shouldn't you use small caps?

What feersum said. :P

@Lembik Did you know about the reply button?

9:06 PM

It was (very) useful when I was in high school. Not so much now.

@Mego Haha, right. I talk in small caps ᴡʜᴇɴ ᴛᴀʟᴋɪɴɢ ᴀʙᴏᴜᴛ Sɪᴍᴘʟᴇx

Anonymous

That challenge can also be easily exploited with stuff like APL, which uses a unique codepage

I'm planning to start learning C# tomorrow.

^

C# is pretty easy to learn.

9:07 PM

Great. :)

I picked C# because many/most of the companies in my area use Microsoft products and want C#/.NET programmers.

> use Microsoft products

booooooo

@AlexA. Oh yes :)

:P

@Lembik USE IT MORE. :P

maybe I should start offering bounties only for answers in C or C ++

@El'endiaStarman OK!

9:09 PM

@Lembik Why?

Thomas Kwa

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ TI-BASIC is an excellent language

if you're a masochist

I'm going to write a challenge that asks the user to do calculus, and require the answers be in BF

2

@AlexA. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Closed as sadism.

2

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you sick bastard

9:10 PM

@AlexA. because no one is giving answers in C or C++

@ThomasKwa ;-; TI-BASIC was my first programming language

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Q: Six very simple challenges

You're challenge is to write 6 different full programs for the 6 following tasks: Print Hello, World! Calculate the sum of all the multiples of 3 or 5 from 1 to 999, (the answer is 233168, you may not directly output the answer) Given an input with STDIN, output the factorial Give th...

code-golf

Anonymous

@Lembik Do it, I'll gladly take all of your rep

@Mego You would answer both my graphical-output challenges? :)

@Mego This makes me wonder why you haven't already!

@AlexA. Don't worry, I'll allow them to use BF derivatives... for a +1000% ʙʏᴛᴇ penalty.

9:11 PM

I guess @Lembik really likes answers that use the worst language for the task

If it's graphical output, please use C++... if it's fastest-code don't use C++!

Anonymous

@Lembik I've done graphical outputs in C before

@feersum almost.. I really like answers using the most popular languages even though they may be the worst language for the task

Anonymous

@Lembik No easy rep from bounties :P

@Mego nice

@Mego Do you actually think codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/62095/… is particularly hard in C or C++?

Anonymous

@Lembik If you allow console "pixels", not really

Anonymous

9:13 PM

Curses + sleep

Anonymous

In fact I'll get working on that

thanks!

I am not sure what console "pixels" are

Pixels on the console

how is that different from other pixels?

They're on the console

9:15 PM

A terminal using each character position as one pixel

Anonymous

@Lembik Look at the Mario output. Each of those blocks is a "pixel" in console graphical output. They just so happen to be the size of monospaced characters.

oh is this basically ascii art?

Anonymous

Therefore each character is a single pixel

My Minkolang answer to the "2spooky4me" question is literally the longest answer (so far). :(

Anonymous

Curses, I have to build curses from source

9:16 PM

@Mego could you show me an example?

Even the shorter (invalid due to implemented-later feature) version is longer than both Vitsy and Simplex. :(

Anonymous

ah

ansii art maybe

Anonymous

The buttons on Mario's overalls are 1 pixel. They are the same size as characters on the terminal.

Anonymous

It's not even ANSI

9:17 PM

is it really that hard just to plot a normal pixel using sdl or cairo or maybe a lower level trick?

Anonymous

That's an xterm-specific extension that allows the correct colors to be output

Anonymous

@Lembik SDL would almost certainly result in longer code than curses

@El'endiaStarman It seems as if Vitsy, Simplex, and Minkolang are all vying for something... what, I don't know.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Last place?

@Mego but it would closer to the spirit of the game.. and still maybe shorter than java :)

9:18 PM

@Mego GG.

Anonymous

@Lembik True, but by the rules, the console output is still a valid solution

@Mego maybe... I mean I really meant a pixel in the normal sense

that is one of the things that makes up my 1920 by 1200 monitor

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The golfiest new languages? :P

it's not 1920 by 1200 blocks

That's a monitor

9:19 PM

The rules don't exactly say that multi-pixel pixels can be used.

@El'endiaStarman Right, I couldn't find the words

I understand the game that is being played :)

Anonymous

@Lembik A pixel is the smallest unit of graphical output that can be produced with a given output method. Those blocks are the smallest you can get on the console.

it's just not what I intended

Anonymous

Oh neat there is a curses package now

Anonymous

9:21 PM

I don't have to build from source!

bpaste.net/show/7a1dc7faddd7 is a start

using the framebuffer

Anonymous

If cls was a standard command this would be so much easier

:)

Hello!

Hi

9:24 PM

Greetings.

Anonymous

Hi flawrawrawr

So when eactly is halloween?

Anonymous

Now

flawr rawr pawr

@flawr Today.

Anonymous

Oh @Lembik you want VB.NET? I can give you VB.NET

9:25 PM

Oh=)

People usually go trick-or-treating after sundown though.

It is after sundown=)

Well, maybe before.

@Mego great!

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman The sky has been overcast all day, not really sure if the sun is still up there

9:26 PM

for C++ how about this as another start bpaste.net/show/17f6ca184ab4 ?

@Mego Go to Google Maps and zoom all the way out. :P

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman That just proves that Google Maps has the sun

@Mego If you look at the code I have pasted, it looks to this naive person it could be golfed a lot if you remove all sane checking and error checking

@Mego No no, it shows you where the sun is shining on Earth!

Sanity check: input("Are you insane? Enter 'yes' or 'no'.")

@El'endiaStarman Thanks for the info regarding steiner trees!

9:28 PM

Welcome! :)

I found the paper the guy answering your question was citing back then.

sweet!

candy!

I wonder if it's viable to make a Jeopardy! KOTH.

Jeopardy!? C'est quoi?

9:31 PM

Jeopardy!

Jeopardy! is an American television game show created by Merv Griffin. The show features a quiz competition in which contestants are presented with general knowledge clues in the form of answers, and must phrase their responses in the form of questions. The original daytime version debuted on NBC on March 30, 1964, and aired until January 3, 1975. A weekly nighttime syndicated edition aired from September 1974 to September 1975, and a revival, The All-New Jeopardy!, ran on NBC from October 1978 to March 1979. A daily syndicated version premiered on September 10, 1984, and is still airing, making...

Maybe I should start a separate challenge to just plot one pixel in C or C++ :)

^

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ?

do it

Oh sorry, I meant Wheel of Fortune, not Jeopardy.

9:32 PM

@AlexA. import watson

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Won't people complain and hate it ?

oh

That would actually be interesting.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I feel they would want some more interesting element to it

@Lembik Just say that its a language-category winner

That is, the lowest bytes per in each language "wins"

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ the first question will be "on what system"

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ that is then similar to codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/62095/… but no one answers in C or C++

9:34 PM

riiiight

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ is that sarcasm? It's hard to tell :)

Oh, yeah, right, internet. It's not sarcasm, just a long agreement signifier

although maybe Mego is writing an answer as we speak :)

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ah ok

Anonymous

@Lembik I'm writing the VB.NET answer first because it's massively easier

if I restrict it to C or C++ I need to work out which system to specify it for

@Mego OK thanks

@Mego although I am hoping the code I pasted is most of the way there

Anonymous

9:36 PM

@Lembik You can do it platform-agnostically with curses or sdl

what can I call a pixel in the sense that I meant it?

to make the vocab clear

"monitor resolution pixel"?

curses is definitely not what I mean

sdl is one option but I think you can write directly to the framebuffer too in linux

@Mego my last paste of the evening... pastebin.com/TRb6Ph1V :)

it doesn't look toooo hard

Q: Create a buffer overflow with unsigned long to signed int trunctation in git >2.4.9

whoa 7 message ^

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Git versions before 2.4.9 used 32 bits integers for representing the length of directories names whereas objects size are represented withunsigned longsinside packfiles. The size of directory name weren’t caped. Your task is to create an exploit for that now fixed vulnerability which would be ab...

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I am still doing some research for my steiner tree proposal, and just came across the DOUBLE BUBBLE.

@flawr cool on both fronts!

one day we should have a proper fastest data structure challenge

with proper benchmarks

no one has implemented treaps here :)

but it will involve a little effort

9:48 PM

Closed as 2 fast 2 furious.

treaps?

@Lembik A fastest data structure is somewhat meaningless because that depends on the use.

Anonymous

@flawr tree+heap

hearee

@El'endiaStarman well.. the idea is that there would be test data or at least test data generation code

Treap

In computer science, the treap and the randomized binary search tree are two closely related forms of binary search tree data structures that maintain a dynamic set of ordered keys and allow binary searches among the keys. After any sequence of insertions and deletions of keys, the shape of the tree is a random variable with the same probability distribution as a random binary tree; in particular, with high probability its height is proportional to the logarithm of the number of keys, so that each search, insertion, or deletion operation takes logarithmic time to perform. == Description == The...

Anonymous

9:48 PM

So it turns out I've forgotten how to properly do threaded graphics in VB.NET

Well I am sure I will have the fastest data structure: the empty set.

Ha

@Mego SO to the rescue :)

@flawr won't be so good for the tests I suspect :)

A: Halloween Golf: The 2spooky4me Challenge!

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Chaîne, 15 bytes {i~}:-,}:{2+}me {i~} | input duplicate write : : | access dictionary with inner base-93 key -,} | entry for "spooky" {2+} | push 2, add previous two, write me | write me Implicit output.

randomly generated insertions, deletions, queries for example

Anonymous

@Lembik I'm gonna see if I can remember first. I used to do this all the time at my old job, but that was 9 months ago

9:50 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ There are tabs in your source code => I will never use this language.

@Mego good luck!

@AlexA. I guess you'll never win.

back in 9 hours :) bye

@Lembik That's a lot of hours

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's not him you need to worry about, but... him...

9:51 PM

Also bye

Dennis...

AHHHHHHH NO PLEASE NOT DENNIS (;))

@flawr I knew about this but not about the torus/dumbbell solution!

Alright, who upvoted this? ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ

This reminds me of the torus shaped planets

@alex Nobody?

9:54 PM

@flawr When I asked that it had +1/-1.

Does anyone have any other interesting point configurations for generating steiner tree approximatins

Now it has +1/-2

@flawr Oh yeah, I remember reading this on World Building (I think). Pretty cool.

How can you see how many +- there are?

Click the number

9:55 PM

@AlexA. Second downvote was me. That question does NOT deserve to be >=0.

O.O

MY WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE!

MORE THAN A YEAR OF SE.

AND I DID NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CLICK THE VOTE COUNT.

0.O

Haha. It requires a certain amount of rep but you're well beyond that threshold.

....wow.

XD

And how can you make the vote count reappear?

I'm not very good with numbers...

9:56 PM

Reappear?

@El'endiaStarman It should be deleted (and I will) but I want the OP to have a chance to see my comment so they don't make the same mistake twice.

@AlexA. [nods] Good idea.

@flawr Refresh the page

I love Chaîne

erm

that url didn't parse right

I love dogs.

9:59 PM

I love birds.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Doesn't seem to do anything.

@flawr <3

It's just :%2A:, right?

I'm fixing it.

....ah, that %2A is because of URL encoding. Okay.

Ah-ha, it's an *!

...:*: doesn't do anything either. :P

10:02 PM

@El'endiaStarman You need to set then run the code.

Still nothing happens.

Are you using Chrome?

yup

It only works on FireFox at the moment.

...well, okay then. :P

10:04 PM

I'm working on Chrome support ATM

Safari is best.

I have a new idea for a esolang: Basically java, but disallow all control structures except try {} catch() {}

ಠ_ಠ

@flawr :O

@flawr ....."Javagony"?

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10:05 PM

@El'endiaStarman I like that name=)

JavOhGodPureFuckingTorture

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ aarrghh :D

XD You did it

What dictionary are you using, by the way?

ಠ_ಠ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Wut.

10:06 PM

@El'endiaStarman I forked someone elses here

How long is it?

(As in, how many words?)

Funnily enough, you can get aa by doing either aa or :: in Chaine. :P

(I know the i is different, but I'm not gonna bother trying to type the right i. :P)

XD

Anonymous

Why can't this be simple

Anonymous

Making something go around in a circle should be simple

Have you ever seen something going around in a circle?

10:21 PM

128985 words. That's how many, @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ.

So you can indeed get any and every single word in 5 bytes or fewer.

(Because log_94(128985) ~= 2.59 < 3.)

@El'endiaStarman Thanks :D

I checked that by looking at the last word

@El'endiaStarman It's actually base 93

~2.60 then. :P

The difference is about 0.006, which is just enough that rounding makes a difference. :P

XD

10:37 PM

Yay anyone else want an estimate on how many english words you know?

testyourvocab.com

cool

So according to my score I have roughly the same vocabulary as the median native speaker at 14 years.

What the heck, only 29,200?

Anonymous

@Lembik VB.NET solution is done, now I just need to golf it

I expected a lot more, but apparently, that's totally normal for a native speaker. Huh.

10:47 PM

It said the range for natives is about 20'000–35'000

I'm actually above the median for my age. :D

Anonymous

Ugh

Anonymous

I can see why nobody does VB.NET winforms code for golfing

Almost in the 80th percentile.

Anonymous

This ridiculous amount of boilerplate

10:48 PM

> Comparing with self-reported SAT scores from previous analysis, overall participation is in roughly the 98th percentile of the American population as a whole — it is apparently a very "elite" group of people who spend their time taking vocabulary tests on the Internet!

.....WELL THEN.

I'm in the 80th percentile of the top 2%. O_O

Anonymous

2227 chars of boilerplate designer code

The test only asks you if you think you know the word?

More like a test of hubris than vocabulary.

@feersum You're instructed to select it only if you know what the word means. Regardless of whether you've seen it before.

Extremely stupid.