The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

5:02 AM

That was this guy:

Alex A.

101

Dennis

Hahaha.

Alex A.

That guy made an account here in February, stole my name, and never came back. :P

Anonymous

Swing the deletehammer, strike him true

Alex A.

Since he isn't impersonating me, there's no reason to destroy him.

Anonymous

there can only be one

Alex A.

5:04 AM

:P

data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/edit/382743

^ how I found him

Alien G

@AlexA. de_stroy?

Alex A.

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DLosc

@Dennis No. It would save a byte or two, I know, but it just feels un-beautiful. What can I say, I'm an aesthete.

Dennis

101 1

Dennis, London, United Kingdom

101 2

Alien G

;_;

Dennis

5:05 AM

Dennis, Netherlands

1 1

Dennis, Rochester, NY

1 1

Alex A.

You have a lot of sock puppets.

A whole drawer full!

Anonymous

@ಠ_ಠ obligatory sock puppet mention

Dennis

@DLosc Using an unmatched ] bothers me as well, but a byte is a byte. :P

Anonymous

How does dd eat your hard drive? One byte at a time.

Dennis

512 bytes at a time IIRC.

   obs=BYTES
          write BYTES bytes at a time (default: 512)

Anonymous

5:08 AM

dd bs=1 if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda

Dennis

if=/dev/random Argh!

That will take years!

Anonymous

Given enough time, eventually all the words on your hard drive will be in ascending order

Anonymous

dd bs=1 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda better?

DLosc

@Dennis I know, and that is the philosophy of code golf, but oddly enough I consciously decided saving bytes wasn't my absolute highest priority in Pip. Let Pyth take that road.

... Which is why Pyth nearly always is shorter.

Dennis

@Mego Much better. The bs=1 still makes it unbearably slow though.

Anonymous

5:11 AM

@Dennis But if I change it, it ruins the joke

Alex A.

BS

Dennis

@DLosc Well, at least this time, you would have beaten Pyth without [.

DLosc

Which challenge are you referring to? The one with the square brackets, I'm at 18 and Pyth is 17. We would've tied.

Now if Pip also had Pyth's implicitly closed strings, I'd be leading on the Boo! challenge.

Dennis

Right. I somehow mixed up the two challenges.

Alex A.

5:26 AM

@trichoplax Were you elected mod on Computer Graphics?

Dennis

Good night!

Calvin's Hobbies

Time to make my Halloween challenge "It's the great popcon Charlie Brown!"

Anonymous

Night Dennis

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies do eet

DLosc

G'night

Anonymous

5:30 AM

I still need to make a polyglot for VTC's challenge

Alex A.

@Dennis Good night!

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Q: The arrow maze escape

Question You have a 50 by 50 array. Each cell has an arrow pointing in any one of four directions. No cell is empty. On entering a cell, you must exit it in the direction specified by the arrow. The arrow may also point in the same direction you came from, resulting in a dead end. You may start...

Anonymous

These Halloween answers getting tossed into the low quality queue is getting me points towards civic duty really fast

Sp3000

I'm looking at Quine/Reverse Quine and trying to decide whether to post in Gol><> :/

Anonymous

I think 17 may be the shortest for any language for 2spooky

Anonymous

5:40 AM

I'd be interested to see a 16 or 15

Anonymous

I doubt <15 exists

DLosc

A single-char operator for adding 2 to a number would help.

(Not that any language that I know of has one.)

Anonymous

8 bytes for "spooky"+"me", 1 byte to push input onto the stack, 1 byte to peek the stack, 1 byte to add 2 to the top of the stack, 1 byte to pop the stack

Anonymous

If such a language existed, it could get it in 12

Anonymous

11 if you could combine the pop and add 2 commands

Anonymous

5:43 AM

Or switch peek with duplicate stack, still works

DLosc

Not sure you could get "spooky"+"me" for 8 bytes... even if you didn't need string delimiters, you'd still need another byte to get a number in between them, I would think.

Swap, or something of the kind.

Anonymous

True, 12 bytes for string delimiters

Anonymous

So 16 in the theoretical language that has an add 2 single-char operator

Anonymous

And 15 in the theoretical language that has a pop-and-add-2 single-char operator

Alex A.

I miss Dennis

DLosc

5:46 AM

A stack-based language with lowercase barewords where a command-line arg was available in a variable could do 12, something like _spooky_2+me

So basically a cross between CJam, Perl, and Pip

Anonymous

But then the command line arg would probably be counted

DLosc

?

Anonymous

Or did you mean stdin?

DLosc

Taking input from the command line is one of the standard input methods.

Only command-line flags count as penalty bytes.

Anonymous

I thought you meant a flag

Anonymous

5:48 AM

Like perl's -p

DLosc

No, I mean like interpreter codefile.lng 2

Anonymous

Ahh

DLosc

Which is the usual way of getting input in Pip.

Anonymous

The issue then would be that you would need a string delimiter, or to not use any of spokyme as operators

DLosc

Right, I was thinking the latter.

Anonymous

5:50 AM

The second would be a major detriment to the language, and would imply that it was created for the sole purpose of winning this challenge, rather than being a useful golfing language

DLosc

No, I think barewords could be useful in more golfing tasks than this one.

The main problem is that you're robbing yourself of 26 or 52 potential single-char operators, but...

Anonymous

But then that's a lot of potential single-char operators you lose out on

DLosc

How's this: any run of alphabetical characters prefixed by a ' is a string literal.

Anonymous

Maybe a single-char command line flag that allows barewords, and adds aliases to the usual commands taken by the 52 alpha chars as 2-char commands

DLosc

Yeah, that's another idea.

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5:53 AM

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Q: Epcot World Reorder

Intoroduction If you've ever been to Epcot at Disney World, you've probably been to the world showcase: a lake surrounded by various country-themed locations. One thing that's always bothered me about it is that the countries don't appear in the order you would run into them around the world. Th...

code-golf sorting

Anonymous

Like maybe ? without the flag is a NOP, but with the flag, it's the first character of an extended set of 2-char commands

Anonymous

Now I want to make this language

Anonymous

Dibs

DLosc

(Wouldn't work for Pip, even though I do like my command-line flags, because certain indispensable language elements are only available through letters.)

Anonymous

I've also been toying with the idea of a tape-based language like BF for golfing, rather than stack-based like GS/CJam

DLosc

5:54 AM

Hm, good luck. I think you'd be spending a loooot of characters on >>>>><<<<<

Anonymous

Maybe

Anonymous

I just wanna try something different than the usual stack-based

DLosc

Of course, you could have multiple ways of moving around the tape, so it could be more efficient than BF is.

Anonymous

I might make a stack-based variant and a tape-based variant for funsies

Sp3000

My first thought would be to have a command that lets you name cells, so you can jump to them quickly

DLosc

5:56 AM

(or copy their value without jumping there, that'd be useful too)

Sp3000

Depends how close you want it to be like BF I guess :P

Anonymous

The only real inspiration I'm drawing from BF is using a tape

Anonymous

Definitely ops for moving cells equal to the value under the pointer, both left and right

Alex A.

6:09 AM

TIL an actual cat program in Mouse isn't possible since it thinks EOF is '.

Sp3000

@VoteToClose getallprintall: Z - er....

Anonymous

Hmm... What 254 operators should I choose for my single-byte operators?

Anonymous

I guess I should actually learn CJam before attempting this

Sp3000

Best way to choose operators is to do things, then realise what your language sucks at doing

But it needs to be something it sucks at doing that you'll end up doing often enough for it to be worth it

DLosc

6:25 AM

^

Anonymous

I'm thinking about possibly reserving a char to denote primitive code

Anonymous

(aka code to be evaled by python, which is probably what I'll write the interpreter in)

DLosc

In Pip, I changed the string equality operator from EQ to Q for that very reason (what Sp3000 said)--I was wasting bytes on it too often.

Anonymous

Like $ in Pyth

Anonymous

That way it'll be easier to build the operator table up incrementally

Sp3000

6:27 AM

tbh I'm not a big fan of Pyth's Python eval since it makes it language dependent, but shrugs

Anonymous

It would be nice to not have an eval for portability, but being able to do direct evals would make designing/building it nice

Anonymous

I wonder how much making it deque-based will affect golfing in it

Alex A.

I've posted 4 answers to 2spooky4me, 3 of which are 25 bytes.

Anonymous

@AlexA. 98spooky100me

Alex A.

∞spooky∞me

sp∞py

Anonymous

6:38 AM

SpoopyOverflow

Anonymous

I think a nice single-char op would be primality test - pop from stack, push 1 if prime else 0

Anonymous

Primality testing comes up a LOT in the math problems

DLosc

@Mego SnoopyOverflow

Sp3000

Prime is a fair one to have. Either that or factorisation. Or both.

Anonymous

Factorization like 8f -> 2,2,2?

Beta Decay

6:54 AM

@Optimizer

Or should I say Carl

Anonymous

@BetaDecay Caaarrrl that kills people

Beta Decay

Dun dun duuuuuun

Anonymous

I should get some sleep

Anonymous

Enough madman scribbles in my notes for tonight

Beta Decay

Haha what time is it for you?

Anonymous

6:57 AM

2 am

Beta Decay

Ahhh I see. Yeah, you should sleep :D

Anonymous

Probably

Anonymous

Before the llamas eat my stacks

Beta Decay

Nah, the llamas are saving their eating for later

Halloween is a big night for them ;)

Anonymous

Before I go

Anonymous

7:01 AM

Anonymous

I leave you with that parting gift

Anonymous

May it impart much wisdom

Beta Decay

Why would you hate Jesus riding a dinosaur?

That's freaking awesome! :D

trichoplax

8:15 AM

@AlexA. There was a non-binding meta post in which people showed support, but I don't know how the final decision is made and there hasn't been an announcement yet.

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