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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

00:04

Something.

Oh, the bigger version is okayish too.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh, you look different!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

How?

Damkerng T.

You look like 4 blocks of something.

Instead of a scorpion. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm now a tetramantane. Take a look at it closer to understand the vastness of 3D-ness.

Damkerng T.

From which angle should I look at it?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

00:12

@DamkerngT. kinda above.

Damkerng T.

Ahh

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Can you 3Dify it?

Damkerng T.

Not sure. It looks a bit paradoxical.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, remember my second to last profile pic?

The chair cyclohexane?

Now rotate that 180 degrees, any resemblance to tetramantane?

Hullo @Stoney!

Sorry, we're trying to make @Dam 3Dilize my new profile pic.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Uh-huh?

Are you going to say that there are three of them (chairs) in your new avatar?

StoneyB

00:22

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Who are you, and what have you done with M.A.Ramezani?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB He was delicious.

Damkerng T.

:D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Yes, the horizontal planes.

I'm more like four of this:

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That makes me think of Mirrors, a horror movie.

StoneyB

I knew him well, Horatio.

Damkerng T.

00:23

Good afternoon, @StoneyB!

StoneyB

Hullo, DT. I trust you are not going to follow our friend MAR through the looking glass!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Two hats, and two upside down hats.

Damkerng T.

@StoneyB I hope so! I'll try to stay away from mirrors. :D

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That broken line really helps.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Forget the broken line.

Cosmetics. Pfft. They got 'em to molecular 2D imagery.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Looks 3D enough to me. Perhaps 2.5D. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

00:27

Even more unique-ish.

@StoneyB Glass? Have you seen my cousins from fresentane?

BTW fun fact @Dam @Stoney: A close relative of mine is bastardane.

Damkerng T.

Oh, it's a real compound name!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And yeah, its nomenclature is related to what you think it is.

StoneyB

The only molecules I recognize are triglycerides and their component fatty acids.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And some mustard on 'em?

StoneyB

They're pretty tasteless without.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

00:32

K I'm hitting the bed. . . Cya guys!

StoneyB

thgindoog.

Damkerng T.

Hit it softly, and have a peaceful time in it. :-)

@StoneyB Ah, mirroring is going widespread!

StoneyB

When in emoR ...

What's happening in Chat these days? I haven't had time to more than glance for two or three weeks.

I see snailboat iced the original room.

Damkerng T.

I'm in both rooms. We decide to freeze one of the old rooms.

StoneyB

Sorta like a wooly mammoth.

Damkerng T.

00:36

I suppose so! :D

And we have its fossil in perfect condition, which is a good thing 'cause we can search for our old conversations in the chat log anytime.

StoneyB

It reminds me of the old Yogi Berra line: "Nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded."

Damkerng T.

A MLB legend!

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I just read MLB as "em-el-bee"!

StoneyB

America's greatest (inadvertent) poet

Damkerng T.

Oh, he's written a handful of books!

> “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
― Yogi Berra

Can't argue with that!

StoneyB

"When you come to a fork in the road, take it."

Damkerng T.

00:47

That's deep!

StoneyB

"It ain't over til it's over."

Damkerng T.

Oh, it's his saying? Neat!

StoneyB

"You've got to be careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there."

Damkerng T.

Love it! :D

StoneyB

"It's like deja vu all over again."

Thinking about Yogi always makes me happy.

Damkerng T.

00:53

I just feel like buying his book.

StoneyB

Another catcher, Joe Garagiola, who had known Yogi since childhood, said of him that "He doesn't use the wrong words. He just puts words together in ways nobody else would ever do." Could be the motto for ELL.

You don't need to buy the book. He's prolly the most quoted public figure in American history - just google "yogiisms"!

Damkerng T.

Wow, he's even got a word of his own!

StoneyB

Not only that, but everybody knows what it means!

Anonymous

02:28

Also, Yogi Bear was named after him.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

09:19

@DamkerngT. Oh no my goodness!

Damkerng T.

14:31

Hmm... Magic Mike XXL... What's Magic Mike all about?

Maybe this kind of movie is trending.

Magic Mike and Fifty Shades...

I still haven't seen any of them.

(Not sure if I really want to watch any of them.)

(Maybe I will, just because of the trending.)

Trending anything is the most powerful weapon of the mass media and industries these days...

Oh, dictionaries, my dictionaries, our dictionaries.

What dictionary should a learner use?

Maybe whatever that works would be the best answer...

but, still, what dictionary?

Longman Dictionaries: Which Dictionary? pearsonlongman.com/Dictionaries/which_dict/index.html

> Which Dictionary?

> Here you will find details of Longman Dictionaries available. Please click on the level you require to see a list of dictionaries for you to choose from.

Though it's unclear what criteria or features they choose or use with each type of their dictionaries, it's rather clear that sorting from the difficulty level, their dictionaries can be grouped in this order:

- Primary

- Lower Secondary

- Secondary

- Beginner / Lower Intermediate

- Intermediate / Upper Intermediate

- Upper Intermediate / Advanced

Anonymous

15:32

All I've got is the LDOCE.

Anonymous

(The full version, 'cause it came preloaded on my electronic dictionary)

Anonymous

I wonder if picture dictionaries are effective for beginner learners.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat trying to locate it in the list...

Anonymous

The one at the bottom

Damkerng T.

A-ha! Under the "Upper Intermediate/Advanced" section.

Anonymous

15:36

Most electronic dictionaries sold in Japan have dictionaries targeted at learners of English loaded on them

Damkerng T.

Oh, they have even Longman Exams Dictionary!

A perfect admission that English in tests and exams is another kind of English. :P

Anonymous

Haha!

Damkerng T.

16:16

0

Q: Should I write "focus" or "focuses" in the following sentence?

The topic of telepathy is not very suitable for a science class, which focus(es) should consist of empirical knowledge and established facts. I'm not sure if I should write focus because I'm talking about a class, or write focuses because I'm talking about empirical knowledge and establish...

grammar

@parkgatedev: After thinking more carefully, I have to admit there can be constructions where something like the syntax of OP's relative clause could be "valid". Talking about quantum mechanics is not very suitable for first dates, which contexts should consist of social pleasantries and personal introductions. Perhaps some people would say that's actually "invalid" (it's certainly "clunky"), but it's credible enough to me. and I'm sure with a little more ingenuity one could shoehorn the plural noun focuses into a similar utterance, instead of contexts. — FumbleFingers 1 hour ago

Interesting. I think I would use where or whose instead.

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Q: Help me choose a particular verb In Present Continous tense

I was reading a tenses in the English grammar, and i was doing an exercise, i am confused about choosing a word for following sentence. I am not going to _________ you again. Options : (1)meeting (2)meet (3)met so exercise was on Simple continues tense, so which one is appropriate among the ...

tense verb present-continuous

A simple question, but difficult to explain.

> I am not going to meet you again.

> I am not going to be meeting you again.

> I am not going to the meeting.

Damkerng T.

16:34

Interesting...

Some ads from Iran start to show up on my browsers...

(e.g. irancell.com)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:02

@DamkerngT. Wow, really? LOL!

Irancell is notorious here for having a lot of advertisements sent to people.

It's a mobile network operator.

Damkerng T.

18:05

0

Q: What does 'much' mean in this sentence

Could you please tell me what much means in this sentence? I picked the sentence up from a book which I've been reading Much to Matthew’s surprise, he ended up meeting some new friends.

word

Another expression that its PoS isn't really useful.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It means much.

I'm sure it means much.

Damkerng T.

It hardly means anything else!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It could also mean much, or much.

Damkerng T.

0

Q: I missed the flying f*** out of you. Meaning

Please explain me why FF uses here as meaning of missing?

meaning emphasis vulgarity

Straight from EL&U!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

FF?

Damkerng T.

18:11

Flying eff.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hun.

Damkerng T.

But Firefox could work too.

Considering the sentence, I think anything would work.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Fraud Fingers.

Frank Frivolousness

Farting Freaks.

Damkerng T.

Frightening Frank?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Fighter Forests.

Faculty Friction.

Fist Fashion.

Frost Farts.

Damkerng T.

18:15

This is gonna take a while...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Wha? That doesn't begin with a T!

Damkerng T.

This can mean "the FF".

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Fictional Flickers.

Oh I managed to make something sensible outta it.

Damkerng T.

I quite agree it's an "odd" usage. Personally, I'd be inclined to say the speaker isn't very articulate (as opposed to saying he's using a non-standard form skillfully, creatively, or amusingly). I'd need to see more text from the same person to be sure, but I'd be a bit surprised if my initial reaction was incorrect. Glossing over flying as a general-purpose "intensifier" (presumably, only for the specific noun fuck in this type of context) just looks like ignorance to me. — FumbleFingers 6 hours ago

I agree with FF about the FF.

And the answer above that comment.

Eying on ell.stackexchange.com/q/61902/3281...

-1

Q: What tense is this sentence

Sentence: please make sure it is finished. Not sure if this is past simple. But if this sentence is past simple, i remember the form of past simple is:subject +(verb+ed)and object

past-tense

in ELL's Cabin, 8 mins ago, by snailboat

@CopperKettle I see you've had next time corrected to the next time.

in ELL's Cabin, 8 mins ago, by snailboat

I think next time is also fine, sans the.

in ELL's Cabin, 8 mins ago, by snailboat

> I'll take it up with him next time I see him.

It's interesting, the the before next time.

PEU 375

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:33

Is it really interesting?

Damkerng T.

> 375 next and the next; nearest

> 1 next week, month etc; the next week, month etc

> Next week, month etc (without the) is the week, month etc just after this one. If I am speaking in July, next month is August; in 2006, next year is 2007.

> The next week, month etc is the period of seven/thirty/etc days starting at the moment of speaking. On July 15th 2006, the next month is the period from July 15th to August 15th; the next year is the period from July 2006 to July 2007. Compare:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

While you're at this analysis, Copper's question is very intriguing.

Damkerng T.

> Goodbye - see you next week. (NOT ... ~~see you the next week~~.)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Interesting,

Damkerng T.

> I'll be busy for the next week. (= the seven days starting today)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:37

Bah, darn that next.

Damkerng T.

"Next week, month etc (without the) is the week, month etc just after this one." -- It sounds like next time should mean the next time just after this one.

"The next week, month etc is the period of seven/thirty/etc days starting at the moment of speaking." -- How can we apply that to next time?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh, you mean the else one?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah.

Damkerng T.

I wouldn't mind its PoS. I'd simply think of it as a postmodifier.

It's elsewhere. -- That's someone else. -- Who else?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:52

Yes, I think I agree that it's a modifier.

BTW PoS reminds me of Point of Sale. Maybe we should find a better abbr..

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Isn't strange that "point of sale" is always abbreviated as POS over here?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No, it isn't strange.

Damkerng T.

An interesting sentence:

in ELL's Cabin, 24 mins ago, by CopperKettle

Margaret Thatcher’s legendary nickname Laura Norder not only reflected her political preferences, but also the fact that, like most of her compatriots, she pronounces law and order with an intrusive /r/ between law and order.

> a) Margaret Thatcher’s legendary nickname Laura Norder not only reflected her political preferences, but also the fact that ...

> b) Margaret Thatcher’s legendary nickname Laura Norder reflected not only her political preferences, but also the fact that ...

> c) Not only did Margaret Thatcher’s legendary nickname Laura Norder reflect her political preferences, but also the fact that ...

in ELL's Cabin, 8 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

Anyway, I think all alternatives can work if we allow for ellipsis.

Damkerng T.

19:23

Practice Makes Perfect—but Only If You Practice Beyond the Point of Perfection

> For someone who cannot read, the second list is no harder than the first.

Uh-Oh!

The second list is not harder than the first for me, too, if I read it one way.

But if I read it another way, then the difference kicks in.

I think when it makes no difference for me, I read it in a way that's pretty much similar to when I copy a passage from a book by typing. -- No understanding part of my brain really works.

Damkerng T.

20:10

For tomorrow (or later): All the students raised their hand/hands

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Bah, that's resolved.

Damkerng T.

We've got some ELL/ELU questions about that, I think.

Today I learned: despatch is dispatch!

Worth noting:

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Q: the Tory manifesto saw the PM promise

I have a question about the usage of the verb "see" here: Just yesterday, Chancellor George Osborne said there was no chance Britain would be involved in any plans to give Greece emergency loans. Today, Brussels seems to have ridden roughshod over those concerns and previous promises to D...

grammar meaning usage

You need to read your dictionaries more carefully. [AHD, 5]( ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=see), [ODO, 1.5]( oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/see), [Collins, 10]( collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/see). — StoneyB yesterday

This chart is interesting...

asiafinest.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t326635.html

> Columns:
1) modern thai alphabets
2) Brahmi alphabets
3) Pallava
4) Dvaravati
5) Post Pallava
6) Ancient Khmer
7) Mon
8) Sukhothai
9) Ayudhaya

One obvious thing is that there is no unaspirated /p/ in Brahmi script.

Calendar and date can be really complicated!

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_calendar
In all Theravada traditions, the calendar's epochal year 0 date was the day in which the Buddha attained parinibbāna. However, not all traditions agree on when it actually took place. In Burmese Buddhist tradition, it was 13 May 544 BCE (Tuesday, Full moon of Kason 148 Anjanasakaraj).[3] But in Thailand, it was 11 March 545 BCE, the date which the current Thai lunisolar and solar calendars use as the epochal date. Yet, the Thai calendars for some reason have fixed the difference between their Buddhist Era (BE) numbering and the Christian/Com…

BE Year  Equivalent CE Years  Equivalent CE Year (Thai Solar)
0        544–543 BCE
1        543–542 BCE
543      1 BCE – 1 CE
544      1–2 CE               1–2 CE
2483     1940–1941            1940 (Apr–Dec)
2484     1941–1942            1941
2556     2013–2014            2013

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

20:46

@DamkerngT. I still haven't figured out how to do this.

Damkerng T.

Hee

I copied those characters from snailboat.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I still think it would make for a great question on ELL.

Anonymous

I have a pretty poor track record at getting people to turn chat questions into main site questions, don't I? :-)

Anonymous

Maybe I should ask it.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Probably. :D

Anonymous

20:58

Looks like StoneyB might disapprove of the sentence:

Anonymous

10

A: "Not only from [...] but also from [...]"

The rule when you use the not only ... but also ... construction is that the two strings where the ellipsis dots fall must be strictly parallel: what comes before not only must combine with what comes after but also to form an acceptable sentence: **Students can acquire knowledge from not onl...

Damkerng T.

One thing is most regular learners here can figure a sort of answer on their own. Another thing is that it reflects our expectation. I don't mean that ELL can't give me a better answer, but I think I would need a lot of luck.

Anonymous

Haha! Well,

Damkerng T.

@snailboat nods -- I think GRE/GMAT tests may disapprove the sentence too.

Anonymous

I haven't been asking many questions on Japanese.SE for a while because I tend to find better answers doing my own research :-/ But sometimes it's helpful!

Anonymous

21:00

Plus, I think I've annoyed several of the native speakers who could give me insightful feedback by doing moderator stuff ;-)

Anonymous

Well, it's not my only avenue for asking native speakers of Japanese.

Damkerng T.

Eh? Could moderator stuff or doing it annoy them?

nods

Anonymous

Well, I've had to suspend users before.

Anonymous

I haven't done it very much.

Damkerng T.

Aww

Anonymous

21:02

And it's always pretty unpleasant.

Damkerng T.

nods -- Indeed.

Damkerng T.

21:19

Okay, I changed my mind. I'm gonna ask about it as a question.

Anonymous

Questions are fun.

Damkerng T.

2 hours ago, by Damkerng T.

in ELL's Cabin, 24 mins ago, by CopperKettle

Margaret Thatcher’s legendary nickname Laura Norder not only reflected her political preferences, but also the fact that, like most of her compatriots, she pronounces law and order with an intrusive /r/ between law and order.

Looking at it again, I think the tenses are not very cromulent.

Ah, ELL needs at least one tag!

So I gave it grammar.

Maybe that's why grammar is so popular. :D

Hooray! The rain has stopped! Finally.

Going to watch 'The Lake House'. -- Tissue box, ready!

Damkerng T.

22:32

The Lake House - The Best Scene "EVER"

►

It's so simple, yet so beautiful,

all (except for lovers) in the ten hundred most used words!

(To verify: splasho.com/upgoer5, azlyrics.com/lyrics/paulmccartney/thisneverhappenedbefore.html)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

23:22

Whee! I'm a chem pundit now!

Damkerng T.

I'm happy for you!

(But shouldn't you be in your bed? :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Woo! Look at this:

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Q: Proposed micro-privilege: site analytics

Remember when I asked a few months ago: Help us identify micro-privileges for top users? The idea was to be able to start rolling these out quickly and not take too much developer and designer time. In particular, the idea I suggested in the question, site analytics, should have been a quick turn...

feature-request moderator-tools privileges analytics

Damkerng T.

Nice!

Oh, a lot of folks there were in the other room the other day, too.

Speaking of which, I haven't seen Tiny Giant for a while.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Gives me the inclination to look at my rep and sigh.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Eh?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

23:30

I meant the meta post.

Damkerng T.

I thought your rep stat is decent enough on Chem.SE.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Say that when I get to 25k.

Damkerng T.

Chem.SE is a graduated stack?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes.

Damkerng T.

I see.

Heh, I edited a question, but someone else finished editing first.

Anonymous

23:36

@DamkerngT. Oh, that's the worst!

Damkerng T.

Hee. I'm sure that my edit preserves the OP's intents better, but not by much. So, I let the current edit be. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@snailboat You can say that again!

Damkerng T.

The Meta post makes me curious: where can I access the tool?

Apparently, http://ell.stackexchange.com/site-analytics returns Page Not Found.

So, the tool is probably only available to the mods.

Anonymous

Ooh, a moderator tool!

Anonymous

What meta post are we talking about, by the way?

Damkerng T.

23:50

23 mins ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

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Q: Proposed micro-privilege: site analytics

Remember when I asked a few months ago: Help us identify micro-privileges for top users? The idea was to be able to start rolling these out quickly and not take too much developer and designer time. In particular, the idea I suggested in the question, site analytics, should have been a quick turn...

feature-request moderator-tools privileges analytics

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. They got downvotes they felt were unfair (because another answer said something similar and didn't get downvoted), so they decided to leave the site forever.

Anonymous

仕方ない

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Hah!

Anonymous

I tried to say that in as neutral a manner as possible

Damkerng T.

nods -- I don't even know in which post that happened.

It's too bad.

Anonymous

23:57

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