Game Development

Wardy

3:01 PM

brb meeting

MickLH

I'm so glad I didn't go to work today

SpartanDonut

user92578

So should I allow both keyboard and controller keys to be bind to a single player, should I make the user choose one? What I'm concerned with is multiplayer support

MickLH

Lol @SpartanDonut, weren't you saying Friday came quickly just like..... 5 minutes ago O.o

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm

I'd say, in singleplayer, listen to both keyboard and controller, in multiplayer, each of them only moves one character

That way you can also switch easily

If you do it properly it be barely any extra code actually

MickLH

3:07 PM

@Tyyppi_77 I think you should put both devices into one pool, then let each player pull from the same pool of available input actions. I am a custom keybind zealot.

Kevin van der Velden

(In multiplayer, just set the target of the input handlers to different characters)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Tyyppi_77 Allow people to do whatever they want. They're the users afterall.

If they have a funky gamepad/keyboard combination they like, there's really no point in not letting them do so.

GnomeSlice

More options for the user is literally never a bad thing.

MickLH

Exposing more options to them can be, though

GnomeSlice

Well unless you have so many it's incomprehensible I guess.

TreDubZedd

3:08 PM

offer plugins for all the available types of configurations--and sell them via microtransactions.

MickLH

@GnomeSlice This only applies to exposing more options

GnomeSlice

Isn't that the same thing?

MickLH

Not really, you can have basically unlimited hidden console commands

Jon

unlimited.

MickLH

Preach.

SpartanDonut

3:11 PM

@MickLH lol... uhhhhh... yes.

That said I love the weekends

The less responsibility I have the better and it just so happens I have less responsibilities between Friday and Monday

MickLH

I wish I had noticed last weekend before it disappeared

Jon

i love weekends too man.

GnomeSlice

I work all weekend.

Every weekend.

TreDubZedd

With a fully-configurable system, would it be possible to dynamically select the number of players? That is, if you lock a player to a given device, you can watch for input from that device and say, "This device has shown interest in playing this round"

GnomeSlice

Stupid commodity job

Jon

3:12 PM

i didn't work a lot this weekend.. although i get paid ot

there was a massive issue with the testing servers

Kevin van der Velden

@TreDubZedd if you program it too =p

Jon

still a problem right now-- low memory

TreDubZedd

@KevinvanderVelden Ok, what would the logic look like?

Jon

can't start all my app pools

if device input triggers { send interest }

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah, that @Jon

Jon

3:15 PM

think about it

SpartanDonut

Kind of creepy lol

Reminds me... I need to watch Birdman again

It was really good drunk. I have this feeling it might have been boring though xD

Jon

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/…

so hardware is about to change because of windows 10 apparently

Kevin van der Velden

Uugh, it's beginning to sound like another EEE attempt, let's hope not

TreDubZedd

only if motherboard manufacturers see it as beneficial to be locked to Windows10...which isn't likely to happen

SpartanDonut

Right

Kevin van der Velden

3:22 PM

Well no, the real question is: Do they find the cost of adding a feature to disable the check worth it?

Jon

I don't see this taking off

SpartanDonut

The only "benefit" is if they don't want to be bothered with supporting another OS

TreDubZedd

existing BIOSes already have that switch. It'll likely cost more to remove it

Joe

in our foreseeable future "get a win 10 mobo 99.99" or buy the "unlocked verison 149.99" YAAY

Jon

They are also putting in biometric security

TreDubZedd

3:23 PM

also, the switch almost certainly must exist for testing

Jon

as a authentication system .. which is bad.

biometric should only be used for identification

not authentication

TreDubZedd

...so to remove it conditionally for production is also more costly than just leaving it.

Kevin van der Velden

@TreDubZedd well, yes. For existing BIOSes, not for new ones, though this is all speculation

Jon

it is also possible it will be done only on their portable devices

and not desktop

which would make a lot of sense.

Kevin van der Velden

@TreDubZedd naah, disabling the check is probably a simple "return true;" added in the code if it's a debug build, that's different from an option

Jon

3:25 PM

also, who issues the security codes if you wanted to build a custom OS?

TreDubZedd

If this takes off (locking BIOS), we can certainly expect to see hacked BIOS installers within weeks.

Jon

^

you can flash a bios right on your board now

so all you need is a hacked rom really

but that would be difficult to produce

in the sense that every motherboard is different.

TreDubZedd

not more difficult, necessarily, than the various bootleg media of the past

Kevin van der Velden

Eeh I'd think it would probably be more difficult

I mean, for one thing, you'd need one per motherboard

TreDubZedd

...per motherboard that's locked down, anyway.

Jon

3:27 PM

yeah this would become a nightmare issue

Kevin van der Velden

True

MickLH

@KevinvanderVelden The real, real question: Is the cost of adding the feature to disable the check more expensive than the marketing value of an "unlocked" board.

Jon

but even for the security... if files are tampered, your os doesn't boot

is that really a good thing?

MickLH

Of course not, it's obviously not a real attempt at security

Physical access = r00tsauce

Lokkij

Thumper looks really good. I want it NOW!

Kevin van der Velden

3:29 PM

Yes and no; from a pure security standpoint, yes. From any other standpoint: No.

Almo

@Lokkij i love shit like that

PS4 version?

MickLH

@KevinvanderVelden Even from a security standpoint it's bad because then you can not create hotfix patches in-house to respond to top level security issues.

Lokkij

It's on 'whatever platform makes sense'

MickLH

@Lokkij Yesssss I love these visuals

Almo

PS4 makes the most sense. Followed closely by PS3, then PC/Mac, then Linux.

MickLH

3:31 PM

It really did feel like Rhythm Violence

TreDubZedd

Unless OEMs flood the market at the same time, it won't make it too difficult for hackers to really worry about...

Almo

I hope Thumper's gameplay can survive the HDTV latency problem.

looks like it wants a big screen and my computer monitor (with low latency) is not large

MickLH

I want those photons in my eye hole

Maybe a VR headset would be nice, to enhance the insane contrast effect

Lokkij

Ooh VR would be pretty crazy

Noctrine

:|

Kevin van der Velden

3:34 PM

VR would be horrible

Hey @Noctrine, you missed all the fun of the flag wars

Noctrine

That's why the :|

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah

'T was fun

MickLH

I think nobody knows how VR would be without trying it

GnomeSlice

InnerSpace Official Trailer #1

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MickLH

I hope you're not offended that I don't blindly accept your dismissive and unproductive claims, @KevinvanderVelden, I just would prefer to think about how things could be positive.

SpartanDonut

3:37 PM

The VR wouldn't have to be full motion tracking or anything... just something to cover your peripheral vision

GnomeSlice

[Flamberge] Demo Build Gameplay

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MickLH

That looks like a fun concept, I think it could be good if it were refined

GnomeSlice

It reminds me of Frozen Synapse.

With a much different theme, and potentially more RPG elements.

Lokkij

Yeah Frozen Synapse immediately comes to mind

Almo

I liked Frozen Synapse

but I was no good at it

things never went to plan

GnomeSlice

3:44 PM

Yeah, same here.

Hunting Anubis - Second Look

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Battle Brothers Feature Trailer

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Okhlos first trailer

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So much good stuff to keep an eye on this year.

ABZU - E3 2014 Trailer at Sony Press Conference

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Jon

jgallant.com/Rastan/Rastan.html

try to beat that level

user92578

no reset button?

Veritas

should this compile? ideone.com/AWG6sL

Jon

it will auto reset after 5 seconds

Kevin van der Velden

@Veritas no parameters in int main, some compilers allow it

GnomeSlice

3:52 PM

@Jon how do I eat the blocks

Jon

ctrl/shift

left

or mouse buttons

or controller buttons

they should all work

you have to be touching them

GnomeSlice

my controller doesn't do anything

also how do you get rid of the blocks

nvm it works I just didn't have focus

Kevin van der Velden

Focus @GnomeSlice! Focus! =p

GnomeSlice

Jon

hehe

fun enough to make it into a game?

GnomeSlice

3:55 PM

yeah go for it

Jon

if you press down you can charge a jump too

user92578

that already is a game

GnomeSlice

lostseagame.com

Veritas

@KevinvanderVelden what do you mean? this is allowed in c++. I was talking about using new with a non-const variable.

well constexpr

Kevin van der Velden

@Veritas I've had a compiler reject that, don't remember which one though

But, what's the point of new if you can't allocate arbitrary number of objects?

Veritas

3:59 PM

pff I haven't used new in so much time that I forgot the basics

being ill sucks, I can't reason correctly for many things.

Jon

ok, so you are roundy, and you woke up in this weird square world

jgallant.com/Rastan/Rastan.html

And you must figure out what the hell is going on

Kevin van der Velden

4:29 PM

Le sigh

TreDubZedd

I didn't know that was a mod superpower. That's pretty cool.

Kevin van der Velden

So, anyone know how to initialize a Python object from a existing pointer via the Python C API?

Wardy

@Veritas might have to run an idea by you later

if you're free

Kevin van der Velden

@TreDubZedd room owner superpower I think even

The bridge generally sends stuff to "Android Hell", except the one time @fredley send it to "Android Enthusiasts", woops.

Wardy

also I have no idea why but I think that windows 10 breaks mono's threading code

can't get any terrain to display since changing the dictionary types

fredley

4:32 PM

@KevinvanderVelden shhhhhh

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley you will never live it down =p

user92578

@KevinvanderVelden what is?

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 moving messages to another room

fredley

@TreDubZedd most mod powers are cool

TreDubZedd

agreed, @fredley, I just hadn't seen that particular one before

Kevin van der Velden

4:34 PM

But the messes you have to clean up =[

TreDubZedd

...still, needs more lense-flare

user92578

and do Josh's removed messages have something to do with that?

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah. The jobs the tools are for are not cool

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 yes

user4704

My favorite is the mod-only "order beer and pizza" button.

user4704

4:35 PM

I saw in the latest mod newsletter that SE is teaming up with Amazon's new drone department for deliveries in the future.

fredley

I work basically next door to the SE offices. Delivery is very quick.

TreDubZedd

@JoshPetrie You're gonna need more buttons.

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley they have offices in london? Or is that also part of the joke

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden They do indeed

relevant

Kevin van der Velden

Cool, did not know

Noctrine

4:37 PM

So, cool stuff that a friend of mine is working on. Check it out.

Blue Sheep First Look

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Wardy

@Noctrine weird

but v cool

hmmm

Jon

GDC 2015: Creating the Open World Kite Real-Time Demo in Unreal Engine 4

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Wardy

4:53 PM

SERIOUSLY!!!

that's mind blowing!

SpartanDonut

It's 10x bigger than a Skyrim level.

Martin Sojka

Let me guess, World Composition?

Wardy

@SpartanDonut its also not procedural

shame

Martin Sojka

UE4 doesn't do procedural terrain, IIRC. At least not without messing with the actual engine code.

Wardy

that's my point

Noctrine

5:07 PM

Does anything?

@Wardy Weird but cool is how I would sum up most of his game ideas, which is part of why I'm excited. Usually not same-y experiences.

Martin Sojka

Well, I'm pretty sure some engines do. Unity lets you create meshes programmatically, at least (not so much terrain patches, but then its terrain system didn't change from Unity 4).

Non-procedural streaming terrain of close to infinite size (with moving the origin for precision) is still pretty sexy, especially as you can create huge swaths of it easily from real-world data and a script cutting it apart with gdal_translate or similar tools.

SpartanDonut

there is always something to nitpick about any game engine. That's why other engines get made.

Jon

vimeo.com/6119911#t=13m05s

Noctrine

Oh yeah, I'm super excited about this.

Nickolas

Hello

user4704

5:16 PM

Hi,

Nickolas

Are the "GPU Pro" book series hard for a computer graphics newbie? (but with math background)

user92578

@Jon what's the point?

Jon

a game presentation gone wrong i guess

user92578

that's a horrible game

Noctrine

No idea, but I liked the Arcsynthesis book

Which is also free

user92578

5:20 PM

Like has he made the game?

user92578

OH GOD THE JESUS MUPPET

user92578

or somthing

Jon

yea

it is pretty strange

user92578

oh its a game by a student

user4704

@Nickolas "Hard" is subjective, but they appear to be basically cookbook-style books.

user4704

5:26 PM

Why are you looking at them?

Nickolas

@JoshPetrie I'm a math student with an interest in computer graphics and I'm looking to "establish" a theoretical foundation, not just learn openGL or something similar

user92578

the guy is so fucking frustrated

user92578

"DO NOT PICK UP THE ORB"

Jon

lol

i just found a very very weird video

so apparently you can buy a lifelike silicone baby

OMGtechy

@Jon yeah I've seen a TV program about that, it's quite creepy

TreDubZedd

5:31 PM

@Jon I've got acquaintances who "build" babies like that

user92578

OMG HE FUCKING DROPPED THE COMPUTER

Jon

what the hell who buys that and why?

user92578

at 29:00

TreDubZedd

Mostly, from what I can tell, it's parents who have lost their own child. The "doll" is often built to look very similar

...a way to remember/find closure

OMGtechy

yeah that was a common reason

Jon

5:33 PM

i don't think it is a good way to help find closure

TreDubZedd

Agreed...but, then, I'm not a psychologist

There is evidently quite a community built around those things--the artists have conventions, etc.

user92578

is it framed?

SpartanDonut

So... I should probably watch the video from the beginning to actually understand wtf that was about

user92578

IT WAS A FRAME I DIDNT WATCH IT FROM THE START

SpartanDonut

Bad @Jon

Wardy

5:50 PM

@MartinSojka you could still pre generate the terrain using say a noise module stack then save the results

the down side of course is that games will be massive and they need not be

user4704

@Nickolas Those books probably won't be good for that.

Wardy

if the unreal engine had that process built in that you could just plug in a noise function for the data and it would all happen at runtime I would be genuinely impressed

Aidan Mueller

Are printers programmed to break down?

Jon

yes.

Wardy

@AidanMueller yes by naff firmware engineers

Aidan Mueller

5:56 PM

I am actually thinking about making an open source printer.

It's insane when it costs less to buy a new printer that includes ink.

Wardy

been done i believe

Aidan Mueller

@Wardy This doesn't look that useable though:

makezine.com/2011/06/01/diy-open-source-inkjet-printer

Wardy

the average life of a typical printer is only about 2 to 3 years anyway

Noctrine

I like to be paperless.

Jon

paperless all the way

printers are for assholes

Wardy

5:57 PM

@AidanMueller hey its open source though right!!

Aidan Mueller

I guess it's a start.

Wardy

can prob do it with a rpi or something

Aidan Mueller

There is a way to reset the progress of the cartridges on my printer. If it tells you that it's empty, you can reset it and you get tons more life out of it.

Wardy

thats normal for just about every printer

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