The DMZ

I've had to deal with my mom telling me she got a headache everytime the wifi was on, until I proved her that she was telling nonsense (by disabling/enabling it every now and then, and see if she'd get a headache if I told her it was on when it wasn't.

Rоry McCune

►

^relevant

kalina

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@RоryMcCune at least you didn't link more country music in here

Rоry McCune

@kalina I linked country music?

kalina

9:51 AM

no but that seems to be the trend recently

Rоry McCune

@kalina a bad trend

kalina

all I'm going to say is that if I were Taylor, and I was idling in here, don't you think I'd not want to see that? :P

it's not escapism if everybody still knows where you are

this house has such third world internet

AviD

we're not just "everybody". We're your family.

hmm. I'm not sure that came off with all the creepiness vibe I intended.

kalina

you achieved most of it, though

AviD

which just makes it creepier, because it could be taken to be genuine.

kalina

10:01 AM

add a bit of crazyland to anything and you can change what it means

Rоry McCune

10:31 AM

hey @AviD MS cloud services, you know if there's any specific 2-factor solution they recommend?

AviD

@RоryMcCune dont specifically know, but I would guess the same authenticator app used elsewhere

yknow, the rotating numbers app that google copied.

HA! A new place to keep secrets hidden: In the freezer, in a bag marked innards.

kalina

keep secrets in an empty tampon box

boys never look there

although I imagine being a boy with an empty tampon box would raise more questions and look suspicious

I guess that is another perk *writes it down*

unreal

did computer components get more expensive recently?

I'm sure I built my last one for under €2000

anybody in Bolton fancy going to Scan, picking up all of my parts and then bringing them to me?

no?

oh well, 16th it is then

Rоry McCune

11:04 AM

@kalina tut tut Opsec fail

kalina

@RоryMcCune nope

this is so not even an opsec fail

Rоry McCune

@kalina you told people you're near Bolton

kalina

nope

the only thing you can establish as fact from what I said is that I'm within driving range of Bolton and that an order has been placed

driving range of Bolton includes the Isle of Wight, via Ferry

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah driving distance of bolton and you flew into manchester

.... you're not in halifax are you

that would explain a lot right enough

kalina

@RоryMcCune I'm not up north

I'm pretty much as south as you go before you run out of civilization

(thus discounting Devon and Cornwall)

(...and Wales)

Rоry McCune

11:06 AM

@kalina so south of manchester then :op

kalina

psh

Civilization on the way North ends at the Watford Gap

Rоry McCune

@kalina nah no way you'd have flown in to manchester if you were round london way

kalina

you're discounting really good opsec

England is a small enough country to land at any airport and drive to your destination

Rоry McCune

@kalina sure you could still be a trucker in des moines

@kalina yeah but no one flies into Manchester if they have a choice!

kalina

@RоryMcCune from your perspective, that's certainly a possibility

Manchester airport is far less stress than any of the London airports

Rоry McCune

11:09 AM

@kalina city ain't that bad

kalina

and it's only 50 minutes away by plane

Rоry McCune

Luton is only bad 'cause of the bus/train combo

kalina

and then once you get into London you've got too many people and too many tourists and too many cars and too many tubes

Rоry McCune

Gatwick and Thiefrow are awful I'll give you that

kalina

and I'm definitely not using the tube

I did that once

actually, for a few months, a while back

Barry Carlyon

11:10 AM

Manchester airport has the tram link now. So it's even better. Not that I've been out that way yet.

kalina

like, eww.

Rоry McCune

@kalina DLRs alright tho and it goes straight to city

@BarryCarlyon I'll have to try that next time I'm down there

kalina

new pc parts arrive, I get to do one of my favorite things and then I am donating it to my friend when I go home

literally just bought a PC so I can assemble it

Barry Carlyon

The most fun I had on the London Tube was when a group of us were returning London to Leeds after the Yahoo hack day and we all had two bean bags each… There was like 12 of us. Much funny looks

@RoryAlsop AND the tram link opened ahead of schedule. Yay builders \o/ woo

Rоry McCune

@BarryCarlyon wish they could've helped the Edinburgh lot out!

Barry Carlyon

11:12 AM

lol

kalina

my experience of the tube system in London is that at rush hour it's a bit rapey and the rest of the time it smells

Barry Carlyon

+1 to that @kalina any news on your friend? I hope they are doing better!

kalina

@BarryCarlyon the doctors woke her up lastnight, she had a moment of extreme panic and all her vitals went crazy so they put her back to sleep

lastnight... yesterday afternoon

Barry Carlyon

Well thats something I suppose!

kalina

I don't really have anything major to do with my life for most of this month, so I'm sticking around in England for as long as I can

don't really want to just up and leave

kalina

11:28 AM

the history of user agents is so silly

whenever I need reassurance that you can make that much of a mess of something and get away with it, I read the history of user agents

and then you get to the end and read "...and the user agent string was a complete mess, and near useless, and everyone pretended to be everyone else, and confusion abounded."

and you look at the project you're currently working on

and go, YES, I can solve the problem with more distortion.

Rоry McCune

@kalina is this you applying lessons from computing smeg-ups to the world of music?

kalina

no, this is me applying massive failures from any source and using it to patch up my broken confidence

Rоry McCune

@kalina Shit look at any large corporate/gov and the fact that massive failures do not seem to stop people rising to the top!

Barry Carlyon

I read somewhere that the whole of the user agent string is supposedly unique to every computatoe.

kalina

@BarryCarlyon er

Barry Carlyon

11:34 AM

I forget the website. But it might be the whole of $_SERVER or something

Rоry McCune

@BarryCarlyon not quite user agent alone but that plus other data supplied can fingerprint a system (panopticlick.eff.org)

Barry Carlyon

Thats the one ^^

kalina

completely different from just the useragent

Barry Carlyon

Indeed. I misrememebred

kalina

is that just combinations based on useragent, resolution, and detected plugins?

Barry Carlyon

11:37 AM

Indeed

TildalWave

@AviD good :)

kalina

it's worrying that my collection of detected browser plugins makes me unique among all browsers tested

Barry Carlyon

Well everytime you upgrade a plugin you change ID as the version string changes too. So it can't history track your "browser ID"

kalina

this PC does have some pretty horrible things installed on it

AviD

you've all seen this, right? shipyourenemiesglitter.com

Barry Carlyon

11:40 AM

yup

kalina

@AviD does it make me a bad person that I cover any cards I send with glitter and send them to my friends?

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah IIRC things like privoxy can be used to anonymise it, another option being use a liveCD for browsing so it's the same as all other users of that liveCD

AviD

@kalina no, but it does put you at risk.

kalina

@RоryMcCune in this instance, it's more likely that this (not mine) PC has a bunch of horrible things installed by a person who uses their PC for more than one task

AviD

at least I dont know you well enough to receive those devil cards from you.

kalina

11:41 AM

so it has Battlefield 4 Battle Log

and nVidia 3D Vision

and enough randomness

I bet disabling all of that nonsense would make it less unique

AviD

my kids often come home from kindergarten or whatever with glitter-covered projects. Takes days to stop finding it EVERYWHERE.

kalina

@AviD glitter is literally, like, the best thing ever

Barry Carlyon

Glitter is love Glitter is life!

AviD

until you start finding it EVERYWHERE

kalina

every time I throw a way a keyboard it's because of either a glitter or coffee (or both) related incident

Barry Carlyon

11:42 AM

Meh, still better than sand

kalina

and now I'm finding it awkward because my OCD prevents me from owning multiple PCs with different input devices

I can't have an all singing all dancing multimedia enabled keyboard with backlit mechanical keys and a built in USB hub on PC and then an OEM Dell keyboard on another

AviD

its not just OCD, its the efficiency improvements that come from muscle memory.

@kalina try mouse/trackpad on a proper Windows PC on one side, and on a Mac on the other side.

kalina

also; key spacing is a big deal when typing with nails

@AviD I couldn't do that, I would just use Synergy to share the keyboard and mouse

AviD

did you know mouse wheels scroll upside down on a Mac?

@kalina not good enough.

Barry Carlyon

Long nails are a problem

I clatter a lot.

kalina

11:45 AM

@AviD I'm unsurprised, it's a Mac.

AviD

@kalina yes, but some of the little things are surprisingly annoying.

Barry Carlyon

But yeah Mac is upsidedown unless you flip the option. But I use the bluetooth magic trackpad. So "natural" scrolling works for me.

AviD

I still sometimes scroll the wrong way, and I havent been on Mac in months.

kalina

@AviD yes, I found a bug in Windows 8, and it's the most trivial thing but it annoys me

an actual bug

I found it

well, I have observed it and haven't correlated my findings with others to confirm if anybody else even knows or cares about it

Rоry McCune

@kalina KVM FTW

kalina

11:48 AM

in a multimonitor setup, if you set the taskbar to appear on all screens

if you open up the start screen by clicking on the start button on any non-primary monitor, and then click again to remove the start screen, when you move your mouse outside of the taskbar region the taskbar hides itself and then re-animates itself appearing from the bottom of the screen

sometimes I just sit there doing it, as a reminder that you really can only do 15% of the job and still get away with it

AviD

@kalina like, a roach?

Rory Alsop

afternoon all

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Evening.

Rоry McCune

12:03 PM

@RoryAlsop watcha, hows the snow in the east?

Rory Alsop

@AviD well...we considered that, as Erik is a key follower of the Goatening, but we decided instead to bring a 'Bob'

@RоryMcCune It's crazy here - not a chance of going to Edinburgh

so working from home

@kalina we did toy with glitter in our confetti cannons, but apparently its a lot more dangerous. Tissue paper at 60mph, not so bad, clump of glitter...a bit ouchy

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah I think we're pretty much stuck in the valley as the roads over the hills will be bad (our local bus made it into the village but can't make it out apparently!)

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Had great fun driving late last night. Most junctions were a 2mph crawl (including the ones I usually take at 50)

Managed a 10mph broadside round one of the roundabouts. Perfectly controllable and fun - especially as I got new front sway bar bushings and some other suspension stiffeners on Monday

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop good timing!

AviD

huh. those 2 top pins are a bit... inappropriate, especially together.

Rory Alsop

12:18 PM

@RоryMcCune Should probably get new tyres as well

Terry Chia

@AviD I'm glad you realize it.

Rоry McCune

@AviD why do you think I pinned them :)

AviD

heh.

raz

@RоryMcCune Abuse of power

Terry Chia

12:39 PM

@tylerl Is Google Domains US only for now?

Barry Carlyon

What do you drive @RoryAlsop

Rory Alsop

@BarryCarlyon Subarus

:-)

Barry Carlyon

woot

Rory Alsop

@BarryCarlyon Absolutely. Current one is a 400bhp Forester STi

perfect for this weather

Barry Carlyon

Now if only a) I could drive and b) I owned one too

But I'm just stuck to the simulations for now :-(

ONE DAY! \o/

kalina

12:46 PM

@AviD yes!

well, more like a fly

kalina

1:02 PM

I'm trying to write a specification for a game

and I am unsure of what level of detail to go into

AviD

no, silly! You'll need the boys to make it into a real game, you just draw the pictures!

Rory Alsop

@BarryCarlyon the good thing is: they are very cheap and easy to maintain compared to anything else with near the same power

Simon

@AviD I am disappoint.

@RoryAlsop BARUUU

@RoryAlsop And you've got the 2 liter because you're da baws.

AviD

@Simon she was, too.

Rory Alsop

@Simon 2.5 litre, actually :-)

Simon

1:10 PM

@RoryAlsop Oh really? I thought you had a JDM engine.

No head gasket or ringland failure?

AviD

@RoryAlsop 2 liters == 2.5 litres.

"a liter'a'cola" means "give me the frikkin cola, ya dumbass!"

Rory Alsop

@Simon STi engine from Japanese spec, but then boosted by Litchfield

Simon

@RoryAlsop Ah there we go.

Rory Alsop

@Simon I have had a head gasket failure - couple of years back

but not too expensive a rebuild

Simon

2.5s are really weak here.

Terry Chia

1:15 PM

@Simon TWSS

AviD

►

Simon

I often see in ads "engine replaced by warranty at 60k km"

They're known to blow up.

@RoryAlsop I'm still planning to keep my RS forever and swap a 2.0 V7 or V9 in it myself. It'd be a great experience.

kalina

@AviD ironically, I intend to get other people to make the game, I am merely coming up with the idea

Rory Alsop

@Simon Wonder why - the STi ones here/Japan seem to be comfortable with up to 500bhp

@kalina that's the way to do it! I have a friend who dropped out of school at 15 because all he did was play computer games. Now he lives in millionairesville north of San Francisco coming up with game ideas and concepts. Doesn't implement anything.

Jammy get

AviD

@kalina Barbie

kalina

1:23 PM

I know

Simon

@AviD Yes Ken?

AviD

@Simon you golden shlompoofa

shlompoofter, I should say in your case

Simon

wat

Ohnana

1:50 PM

the tigger is attempting human speech!

Rory Alsop

@AviD collegehumor.com/video/6891217/…

AviD

heh

but why do I get pinged on all colleghumor? thats @RоryMcCune's thing! :-)

actually need to send that to my daughter...

Simon

2:12 PM

Is your daughter as crazy as @kalina?

kalina

This is an interesting article

I'm not crazy

...

raz

To sum up the article: Don't feature creep.

kalina

no

the point of the article was not to take an idea and then try and make a game out of it

AviD

@raz or for @Simon: "Don't creep."

kalina

using Sim Tower starting life as an elevator simulator as an example

I guess I should stop trying to make a game out of my beat counter then

raz

2:24 PM

@AviD I don't think Simon could quit that cold turkey.

AviD

damn, but I would love me some cold turkey.

raz

@AviD You like turkey sandwiches too?! Lets form a club then!

Rory Alsop

5

A: The Memes of Information Security

Meme: Eat everything Originator: @AviD Cultural Height: August 2011 Background: Following on from Wildebeest and other discussions, topic #1 in the DMZ became not security, but food, and just what we could or had eaten. Some delicious examples: while giraffe is in principle kosher, thats o...

of course he likes turkey sandwiches

AviD

2:39 PM

hahahaha

I started that??

Rory Alsop

Looks like it :-)

Simon

@AviD ARE YOU TELLING ME TO STOP CREEPIN'?

AviD

@RoryAlsop ahh, remember back when it used to be fun here?

Rory Alsop

@AviD When all this was, well, text on a screen...

AviD

11

A: The Memes of Information Security

Meme: @RoryAlsop's age. Originator: @RoryAlsop. He was here before any of us. Cultural Height: 1391 BCE Background: @RoryAlsop is one of the older guys that hangs out in The DMZ. Some of the younger guys started making fun of his age especially when he started reminiscing about the good old d...

Rory Alsop

2:44 PM

@AviD yeah yeah yeah - whatevah

AviD

hehehe

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia - whatever happened to your age-related funny quotes?

Ohnana

"Morning +/-12 hours" bwahahaha

kalina

so embarrassing, I just set off the fire alarms by making poptarts

I say making, these aren't really edible anymore

Ohnana

don't feel bad @kalina

kalina

2:50 PM

I do feel bad

Ohnana

my partner set our wok on fire by pouring peanut oil into a waaaay too hot pan

and then didn't know what the fuck to do

kalina

my friend just walked in, looked at the pop tarts, and mocked my cooking ability by stating that I even burn pop tarts

like I have a habit of burning things

2

Ohnana

it's already cooked wheat product. it's going to burn like toast does

Simon

Who still eats poptarts anyway?

Those are so 2000.

kalina

it's the most edible thing in this house.

my choice is literally pop tarts, pot noodles, or ready meals

seriously 25 going on 13

AviD

2:53 PM

@kalina with fire

AviD

3:18 PM

okay, I gotta say, while being on (pseudo-)VDI is awesome, and I enjoy its benefits daily and would never go back - it is not without downsides.

e.g. right now one of my VMs is having network issues, after some upgrades and snapshot juggling.

VMs with benefits.

Simon

donuts with benefits

AviD

donuts ARE the benefits

you donut

CodesInChaos

I increasingly have the problem that I view a question a second time after a few months and then either try to upvote my own comment or write the same comment again on a different answer.

AviD

yeah, sooner or later everybody runs into that - consistency + forgetfulness = you like what you write

well, almost everybody. @Simon keeps trying to downvote himself.

kalina

I still think some moderator should review all of the off topic closed questions Lighty has answered and delete them, like they should be

AviD

3:25 PM

I like having proof of idiocy

y'know, in case he's not around to open his mouth and remove all doubt.

Simon

@AviD I've probably tried to do this more than I should have.

kalina

the proof will be retained in the fact he's answered 40 questions and only has 800 rep

although those numbers will be 30 and 400 respectively

AviD

@Simon hahaha, cmon dont make it so easy to mock you.

kalina

@AviD he can't do that, it's not possible to make it easier than it is already

CodesInChaos

Upvotes per answer mainly depends on the popularity of the questions you answer.

kalina

3:28 PM

@CodesInChaos true, but those numbers are somewhat on the extremes

AviD

you're somewhat on the extremes

oof thats putting it too mildly

sorry @Simon, backfired

kalina

I may be on the extremes, I am not sure how that is relevant to the current discussion

Simon

pls

kalina

kalina, the extremist

I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter

Simon

And I'm a donut eater!

@AviD, what are you?

kalina

3:37 PM

he's a flatulent camel

a smelly, flatulent camel

AviD

I'm a picker

I'm a grinner

I'm a lover

and I'm a sinner

I'm a joker

@Simon a midnight toker

Ohnana

and a tigger /combobreakers

kalina

and a flatulent, smelly camel

AviD

@Ohnana I was done

@kalina well, some people do call me the space cowboy

Ohnana

nuts

kalina

3:40 PM

oh, space cowboy reminds me

must make a note

Simon

A FLATULENT CAMEL?

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos Note that the popularity of questions, in turn, depends on the contents of the answers (although this is not the only factor).

Simon

THAT'S AWESOME!

oh noes, not da bear, sigh.

@ThomasPornin Are you Charlie?

#jesuischarlie

Thomas Pornin

@Simon As a rule, I don't reflexively shout the slogans du jour.

Simon

Oh, you didn't change your Facebook profile picture to "Je suis Charlie"?

Tsk tsk.

Ohnana

3:49 PM

I'm with charlie, and I'm with the thousands of children murdered at schools and home for daring to learn

/moralsuperiority

Thomas Pornin

The current mass orgy of expression of democratic ideals is nice, but it would be better if the people were actually understanding that they are doing it.

Notably, that it has nothing whatsoever with the quality and contents of the newspaper previously edited by the murdered journalists.

Simon

What I dislike the most about this is how so many people will buy or get (is it free?) the next paper they'll publish because of this whole thing.

"We're fans now"

Ohnana

file under "don't make people martyrs"

AviD

crappy magazines are crappy magazines. Not a reason to kill them for it, but also being killed for it doesnt make it be not a crappy magazine.

Simon

^

@kalina Why this whole video game dev thing now?

What about muzyk?

kalina

3:58 PM

space cowboy was a musical note

the gaming thing was always on going, it's one of five, I'm just trying to be clever and diversify quickly

deed02392

are we talking about Charlie

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