The DMZ

David Freitag

21:00

But since I got my loan my credit score went from nonexistent to a 707

I need to refinance.

Arperum

It's for a house, so that lowers the percentage quite a bit.

David Freitag

@Arperum At least here interest rates are much, much lower on houses than on cars.

Simon

Which is a good thing imo.

Ohnana

@rwollr so what are you planning on doing with this site? keep in mind, you're naming targets for people who plan to do harm

rwollr

no not naming targets

Arperum

21:01

@DavidFreitag Wait, so the system is: "we don't trust that you'll pay back, so we make you pay more, so chances that you'll be able to pay back are lower.

Simon

@Arperum That's how silly it is.

Arperum

@DavidFreitag Same here, they have something big to take if you don't pay back. And a house generally doesn't lose value, a car most certainly does.

Ohnana

@Arperum that and you now have an incentive to pay back that loan damn fast, increasing the chances that they get more of their money back

rwollr

well maybe i don't know. i think it'd just be cool to be able to determine the overall wifi security of the entire city, and monitor how that statistic changes over time

David Freitag

@Arperum Pretty much. Less trustworthy more money. More trustworthy they love you.

Ohnana

21:02

@rwollr that sounds like a cool idea!

rwollr

shouldn't people be allowed to know if their wifi is setup poorly?

David Freitag

@Arperum Especially if you plow it into a wall doing 60mph

Arperum

This whole thing makes me happy I live in a civilised country.

@DavidFreitag That lowers the value of that wall quite a bit too though.

Ohnana

@rwollr very true, but they most likely will not find your website. unless it's a facebook page lol

David Freitag

@Arperum Looking for a bunkmate?

rwollr

21:03

i just feel like this is kind of the same ethos of security as it applies to open source technology

David Freitag

@Arperum Nah, it won't feel a thing.

rwollr

i'd rather good people have access to the info out in the open because bad people will have it anyway

Ohnana

@rwollr remember the principles of responsible disclosure

Arperum

@DavidFreitag I have no problem having a roommate, more then enough place(I have three bedrooms living alone)

Ohnana

if it's a business network, by all means drop in and tell them that, same with residential networks

Rоry McCune

21:03

@LucasKauffman well depends on your definitions I'd guess but in general I'd say that they pay well

rwollr

maybe i'll plot all the open wifi networks on a map (this itself is nothing new) but then hide/fuzz the actual locations of ones determined to be insecure

but i still want some way for people to be aware of these insecure networks

David Freitag

@Arperum Which civilized country do you live in?

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman I had no complaints about what they offered me anyway :)

Arperum

@DavidFreitag Belgium.

David Freitag

@Arperum I'll get my dingy and some paddles. I'll be there soon.

Ohnana

21:04

@rwollr the website existing will be enough to reach some. consider also handing out pamphlets to insecure locations

I have to head out, see yall

rwollr

alright see you later

thanks for the feedback

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman you on skype?

Lucas Kauffman

let me log on

David Freitag

I wonder how long it would actually take to paddle across the atlantic.

Arperum

@DavidFreitag Sure, let me know when you arrive, I'll pick you up at the beach.

Lucas Kauffman

21:06

@RоryMcCune online

Faheem Mitha

So @DavidFreitag, you don't think where you live is civilized?

David Freitag

@FaheemMitha I wasn't the one who said that, but I would definitely say that where I live is most certainly uncultured.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag ah

Well, hopefully it is at least green.

David Freitag

If "Civilized" is measured in gun stores and liquor stores, we are the most civilized place on the planet.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag where is this, again?

David Freitag

21:09

@FaheemMitha America.

Faheem Mitha

somewhere in the US south, I'm guessing.

David Freitag

Nope, northeast.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag yes, I gathered that. :-) BTW, Canada, Central America and South America are known to get unhappy about the America thing.

And Mexico too.

@DavidFreitag Ok.

Well, North America is relatively green. They haven't killed all the trees yet.

David Freitag

I really would like to move to some place in Europe.

Which is problematic since I can't be bothered to speak anything but english

Gilles

@DavidFreitag Ireland?

Netherlands?

Sweden?

probably Norway or Denmark too

Faheem Mitha

21:15

@DavidFreitag why?

David Freitag

@FaheemMitha I always have. I can't stand living here. Not entirely sure why

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag Well, you should think about why. :-)

Have you ever lived in Europe?

David Freitag

Nope

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag They how do you know you would like living there? The developed countries don't differ that much - you won't get much benefit from moving from one to another.

Now if you lived in a non-developed country, that of course would be a different story...

David Freitag

Once I have completed my bachelors degree I'm going to look for a masters program somewhere in Europe. That will give me a good idea of whether I would like to move there permanently

Faheem Mitha

21:20

@DavidFreitag Sounds like a plan. Though countries in Europe do vary a lot.

David Freitag

@FaheemMitha Yes I know and I think that's part of it. Several very different countries are just a few hours drive away.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag your profile lists CT. That's New England. And one of the wealthier states in the US.

David Freitag

@FaheemMitha Yeah we were the richest up until a few years ago. California surpassed us recently.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag Hmm. Ok, so I'm not sure what you dislike so much. Do you have any idea what the rest of the planet is like?

David Freitag

@FaheemMitha Me either. All I know is I want out.

Faheem Mitha

21:26

@DavidFreitag Well, it doesn't hurt to see the world. It's educational.

David Freitag

Perhaps I'll live in a zeppelin.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag Those can explode.

David Freitag

@FaheemMitha I don't plan on inflating it with hydrogen.

or plating it with thermite.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag :-)

If I was to travel, I'd try Denmark, Germany, Japan. Also Australia, probably.

Arperum

@FaheemMitha Slovenia is super beautiful too.

TildalWave

21:33

@Arperum not so much currently, it's been between + and - Celsius for the past two weeks ... it can be beautiful but bring rubber boots LOL

David Freitag

@TildalWave It's been doing that here as well.

Arperum

@TildalWave Yea, well, most countries look like ass after temp has been going over and under freezing for a while.

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag yup it's an odd winter so far

started nice tho

David Freitag

@TildalWave Yeah it was low twenties here almost all the way through december

then BAM -15

Faheem Mitha

@Arperum Oh? No wars there now?

Arperum

21:36

@TildalWave The (few) parts of Slovenia I've seen so far were beautiful. I really want to go around the country for some time once. I visit every year though (Metaldays is a super awesome festival).

TildalWave

ditto, but what I hate the most are these fast changes, one day +10 next day -10, ad nauseam

Arperum

@FaheemMitha Haven't noticed anything during the last four years i visited.

Faheem Mitha

@Arperum Ok.

Arperum

@FaheemMitha I assume @TildalWave should be able to tell us when the last war in SLovenia was, being Slovenian and all.

TildalWave

@Arperum Ah in Tolmin, yup there's really nice during summers.

Faheem Mitha

21:39

@Arperum Agreed.

Arperum

@TildalWave Yup, and there is some really awesome looking ravine/nature reserve nearby.

TildalWave

@FaheemMitha Wars? No. We had a 10 day "war" with ex-Yugoslavian army during which I walked across the street past their barracks in the middle of an air raid alarm and never even thought it might be dangerous. That was in 1991

the real mess was on the Balkans

Faheem Mitha

@TildalWave I see. Didn't Yugoslavia has a pretty nasty civil war around that time? It didn't affect Slovenia?

@TildalWave ok, the Balkans.

Serbia etc.

TildalWave

@FaheemMitha We were the first on the list yes since we declared independence first but our war took 10 days. Then the shit started happening in Croatia (actually started before) which is the only one of those we even border, and many other ex-YU republics (Bosnia, Kosovo,...)

Faheem Mitha

@TildalWave So, you weren't involved. That's good.

TildalWave

21:44

@FaheemMitha well, strictly geographically speaking, I'm out of the Balkans peninsula for about 5 km :)

Faheem Mitha

@TildalWave you mean, by 5 km?

TildalWave

@FaheemMitha not in the ethnic disputes no, just "hardcore bureaucracy" with the communist regime and its instruments of oppression

@FaheemMitha yes .... grammar is optional :P

Faheem Mitha

@TildalWave Ok. I don't know much at all aboyt Yugoslavia. Though I think I have met a few people from there. That was the state ruled by Tito, right?

David Freitag

@TildalWave Instruments of oppression? that sounds like a really badass band name.

TildalWave

@FaheemMitha yup

Faheem Mitha

21:48

@TildalWave ok

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag or what you'd find in a s/m dungeon ... many band names came out of those, including e.g. Iron Maiden

David Freitag

lol

from geography to sex in no time flat

TildalWave

there are commonalities between the two, like how much size matters and such

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave Yes. Technically, Slovenia was quite lucky to have Croatia between them and Serbia.

TildalWave

need I say moisture? :)

Simon

21:52

Tsk, any country that ends in "a" in not a real one.

Wait a minute.

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin neah Croatia wasn't a "buffer", our war was something completely different than what was going on on the Balkans

we didn't have ethnic wars here

Faheem Mitha

@DavidFreitag One advantage of living in other places and cultures, is that it gives one perspective on ones own culture. You can contemplate it with more detachment. Which is generally a good thing.

TildalWave

@Simon like US of A?

Simon

That doesn't count.

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave As I understood it, the initial trigger was a movement of troops from the central government to take some positions along the northern boundary of Yugoslavia, as part of the resolution of a dispute about some import/export tax.

David Freitag

21:55

@Simon What, like Canada, eh?

Thomas Pornin

People in Croatia and Slovenia reacted to a perceived forceful invasion and took to arms.

Then (only then) the war between Croatia and Serbia degenerated into ethnic cleansing.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Oh, that's a country? Personally, I live in Canaduh.

David Freitag

@Simon No, it's not. It's a hat.

Thomas Pornin

Slovenia did not see actual war action in the initial step because it was somehow shielded by Croatia; and, later on, it did not follow on in the "ethnic war".

Simon

@TildalWave Forget what I said, US of A counts.

Thomas Pornin

21:56

Now maybe my information on the subject is incomplete.

David Freitag

$300 for books this semester...

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin Yup the federal government wanted to have control over borders. And wanted to rule our referendum for independence as illegal, forgetting that we were always a republic in a confederate state. Truth be told, they wanted money because a lot of it was coming to Belgrade from our industry.

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave Slovenia was indeed the richest state within Yugoslavia (there was a rather clear North-South gradient) while Serbia was politically dominant.

Simon

YUGO L'OURS

David Freitag

@Simon that?

Simon

22:03

Yes, exactly that.

TildalWave

hehehe oh dear lord those were considered a total crap even her as soon as they came out

David Freitag

@TildalWave You should do a Google image search for "Yugo" I found it quite comical.

Huehuehuehue, a stretch Yugo

TildalWave

these ones were pretty good for their time tho:

I mean, they worked

and some were also pretty fast

Anyway, they weren't made here ... IIRC in Serbia

Simon

What is it, now? The title should be "The DMZ - Personal Finance - Serbia"?

David Freitag

I just noticed that donuts made it in there

Simon

22:09

sssshhh I wanted to point it out not too long ago but I was afraid that someone who doesn't know how to spell would edit it.

David Freitag

22:24

Have to find a way to tactfully tell the intern this is not the way to spin up a virtual machine. http://t.co/j4cxpoxV1K

Tweeted by SecurityHumor on January 14, 2015 at 9:26 PM

Simon

22:56

That isn't how you're supposed to do it?

Oh I see, he should have used a 17" and put a 15" on it, gotcha.

kalina

23:32

go me, single handedly building half of my prototype in the first night

Xander

23:42

@kalina Software prototype, or physical-thing prototype?

kalina

23:59

Android game

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